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Old 06-29-2013, 08:54 AM
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Default Is It Time to Fire Robin Ventura?

This is team plays in a "fog", ongoing mental and fundamental mistakes across the board- Viciedo, De Aza, Beckham, Ramirez, Flowers,etc. Three players run through the 3rd base coach yesterday- no consequences.

More injuries than usual this year, and players are always accountable- but this is approaching "Bevington" territory- and Robin does not seem to be in control.

He's one of my all time favorite Sox players- and even without experience- I thought he would be a good manager- but this is a disaster.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:14 AM
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This is team plays in a "fog", ongoing mental and fundamental mistakes across the board- Viciedo, De Aza, Beckham, Ramirez, Flowers,etc. Three players run through the 3rd base coach yesterday- no consequences.

More injuries than usual this year, and players are always accountable- but this is approaching "Bevington" territory- and Robin does not seem to be in control.

He's one of my all time favorite Sox players- and even without experience- I thought he would be a good manager- but this is a disaster.
I'm emotionally torn. Robin is also one of my favorites, but I do believe he last lost control of the team. What has steered me towards this is that there are NO repercussions for the daily bonehead mistakes being made. It make me wonder how much Ventura is actually in control.

So I guess I would answer yes. He should go. Along with many others. But the big question is who would replace him? Who would want to take on this disaster?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:22 AM
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I'm emotionally torn. Robin is also one of my favorites, but I do believe he last lost control of the team. What has steered me towards this is that there are NO repercussions for the daily bonehead mistakes being made. It make me wonder how much Ventura is actually in control.

So I guess I would answer yes. He should go. Along with many others. But the big question is who would replace him? Who would want to take on this disaster?
I think you go stop gap for this year- then a real/comprehensive search in the offseason- Daryl Boston?
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:23 AM
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Let him walk on his own after season end.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:38 AM
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Let him walk on his own after season end.
I agree. Robin is a fan favorite former player and he inherited a lot of problems.

However, the points made above about lack of discipline are his problems and he's proven that he is or was not ready for the challenge of managing a major league team.

It's these type of fundamentals that managers learn in the minor leagues. I have never bought into the "million dollar athletes/professionals kid gloves" treatment. Their salary and contract has nothing to do with executing fundamentals.

I think Robin should scare them...



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Old 06-29-2013, 09:42 AM
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Well, if they fire him, maybe it fires up the team for a few weeks, but this team isn't going anywhere this season anyway. I think it would amount to change for the sake of change, not with any particular goal in mind.

Let him finish out the season and then start another managerial search.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:53 AM
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This is also just a pretty ****ty team with a couple of players compounding the madness by having career bad years.

So that would be 1 successful year and now 1 bad year. Next year is the final year of his contract. I say let that be his job audition for 2015 and beyond.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:55 AM
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Fire him he lost control last year when they needed a manager typical Williams move we bring a explayer to please the fans there were good managers available we go cheap kw will probably blame us fans for not showing up I can't wait to blow this disaster up maybe then will bring up some kids who want to play and get a manger to teach them discipline
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:29 PM
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Let him walk on his own after season end.
I think everybody's said part or all of what I'm thinking. Let him walk after this season.

He's been bad this year, but last season, he actually practiced what Ozzie had been preaching without results for years with the defense first attitude, and it showed. He helped wash away some of the bitter taste that Ozzie left in fans mouths.

He's had a bad year, but he's also had a very bad team to work with. He shouldn't be brought back, but outside of some poor decisions, he hasn't merited firing. He hasn't said anything stupid in the media like Ozzie did on a seemingly weekly basis, he doesn't throw players under the bus, and while he's making poor decisions, at least he's still trying. Firing him doesn't solve anything with this team. It doesn't start the rebuild any faster, and it doesn't make this team a contender. All it would accomplish is shaming a Sox legend who tried really hard to help the team, but fell short of expectations.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:46 PM
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I think everybody's said part or all of what I'm thinking. Let him walk after this season.

He's been bad this year, but last season, he actually practiced what Ozzie had been preaching without results for years with the defense first attitude, and it showed. He helped wash away some of the bitter taste that Ozzie left in fans mouths.

He's had a bad year, but he's also had a very bad team to work with. He shouldn't be brought back, but outside of some poor decisions, he hasn't merited firing. He hasn't said anything stupid in the media like Ozzie did on a seemingly weekly basis, he doesn't throw players under the bus, and while he's making poor decisions, at least he's still trying. Firing him doesn't solve anything with this team. It doesn't start the rebuild any faster, and it doesn't make this team a contender. All it would accomplish is shaming a Sox legend who tried really hard to help the team, but fell short of expectations.



That would be my take on it. Well stated.. The paper tiger of the line up he was given has devolved into a crumpled ball fit for the nail on the end of a stickwielding,yellow vested, highway cleaning effort. Christ, he must feel like a T-Ball coach with some of the boners they are pullin...

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Old 06-29-2013, 10:02 AM
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Who would want to take on this disaster?
Hmmm, taking on a disaster.....Is Tim Floyd available? In the same vein, Robin's situation is roughly analogous to that of Jerry Sloan with the Bulls. So he may go on to be a managerial great.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:47 PM
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This is team plays in a "fog", ongoing mental and fundamental mistakes across the board- Viciedo, De Aza, Beckham, Ramirez, Flowers,etc. Three players run through the 3rd base coach yesterday- no consequences.

More injuries than usual this year, and players are always accountable- but this is approaching "Bevington" territory- and Robin does not seem to be in control.

He's one of my all time favorite Sox players- and even without experience- I thought he would be a good manager- but this is a disaster.
Believe me we are definitely in old putter pants Bevington territory. This team is awful.
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Old 06-29-2013, 07:48 PM
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Robin Ventura is Dick Jauron.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:59 PM
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Robin Ventura is Dick Jauron.
The Sox most likely aren't having one exciting but flukey year as division champion under Ventura.
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:04 PM
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