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Old 06-19-2013, 08:19 AM
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Default Hot Stove, Summer Edition: Targeting prospects on other teams

Unless things improve rapidly and significantly, the Sox are destined for a fire sale.

What prospects, in other organizations that might have a need for one or more of our veterans, are realistic targets for Hahn to acquire, in areas of need?

Thought this would make for an interesting diversion.
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Old 06-19-2013, 08:31 AM
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The Orioles need starting pitching badly. If Peavy comes back before the deadline (doubtful but possible), we might be able to get an injured Dylan Bundy, or if we're lucky a Kevin Gausman (Peavy would need to be back early and pitching lights out).

Unless we're willing to trade a young stud (like Sale or Reed), there really isn't an obvious match to a team with prospects worth mentioning. At least not yet. Our only other chip (Rios) is more expensive than guys who are likely to be out there at the deadline, which hurts our chances of dealing him for anything but pennies on the dollar.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:07 AM
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How about the prospects that the Mets obtained in the R.A. Dickey trade: catcher Travis d'Arnaud and pitcher Noah Syndergaard? The Mets are said to be interested in Rios. I wonder if either would be available in a deal?
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:21 AM
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How about the prospects that the Mets obtained in the R.A. Dickey trade: catcher Travis d'Arnaud and pitcher Noah Syndergaard? The Mets are said to be interested in Rios. I wonder if either would be available in a deal?
The Mets are 27-40, 12.5 games out of first. They're not trading their marquee prospects for an aging outfielder due a lot of money when they're not going to contend in the timeframe they'd have him.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:43 AM
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The Mets are 27-40, 12.5 games out of first. They're not trading their marquee prospects for an aging outfielder due a lot of money when they're not going to contend in the timeframe they'd have him.
I believe this to be dead on.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:14 AM
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If Dunn, Konerko and the Tank would of produced this year, we would not be in last place. We have one of the worse offenses because our middle of the order hasn't hit. I would like to think that Dunn, Konerko and the Tank won't be on the 2014 White Sox. If you can replace those 3 guys without destroying the pitching staff we have, we can contend in 2014. I can't believe the White Sox/Hahn are going to a 5 year rebuilding plan like some other teams are claiming to do. Bill Veeck once said in one of his books: "The future is now, 5 year plans usually lead to new 5 year plans". I would suspect the White Sox will try to replace their middle of the order through free agent signings and a trade or two.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:25 AM
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If Dunn, Konerko and the Tank would of produced this year, we would not be in last place. We have one of the worse offenses because our middle of the order hasn't hit. I would like to think that Dunn, Konerko and the Tank won't be on the 2014 White Sox. If you can replace those 3 guys without destroying the pitching staff we have, we can contend in 2014. I can't believe the White Sox/Hahn are going to a 5 year rebuilding plan like some other teams are claiming to do. Bill Veeck once said in one of his books: "The future is now, 5 year plans usually lead to new 5 year plans". I would suspect the White Sox will try to replace their middle of the order through free agent signings and a trade or two.
You can't replace your 3, 4, and 5 guys simply because you have to/don't want to rebuild. Replacing those spots with quality takes time. What, are we going to hand out three $15 - 20 million per year contracts in free agency? Are there even three guys in free agency next offseason to fit the bill?

We aren't trading for a core guy that's producing now. We don't have the marquee prospects to do that.

We've gotta develop these guys. It's going to take a while.

edit: I mentioned those spots in the lineup because Rios is leaving in a year (plus he'll probably regress more next year).

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Old 06-19-2013, 09:43 AM
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blandman: Sign free agent Kendrys Morales after this season and trade for one of the 3 outfielders LA is trying to trade: Crawford, Kemp or Ethier and plug them into our lineup next year and I'll take my chances. The money for Konerko, Floyd and Thornton will be off the books for 2014. (Assuming Thornton won't be here in 2014) The White Sox will have the money to sign/trade for the players I mentioned. Also, its time to bring up Josh Phegley and see if he fits into our future.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:26 AM
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blandman: Sign free agent Kendrys Morales after this season and trade for one of the 3 outfielders LA is trying to trade: Crawford, Kemp or Ethier and plug them into our lineup next year and I'll take my chances. The money for Konerko, Floyd and Thornton will be off the books for 2014. (Assuming Thornton won't be here in 2014) The White Sox will have the money to sign/trade for the players I mentioned. Also, its time to bring up Josh Phegley and see if he fits into our future.
Kendrys Morales is intriguing, but ultimately he's over 30 now and has both regressed and been susceptible to injuries. He's probably going to get a lot more money and years than he's worth.

Crawford and Ethier are no longer players you build around. Kemp might still be, but he would cost 2 more marquee prospects than we have. And he's probably not worth it.

Josh Phegley is garbage. There's a reason we haven't called him up. He's got value to a team just looking at numbers. His swing isn't good enough; it doesn't project to show power at the major league level. Calling him up would bring that to light.

EDIT: Taking a closer look at Morales' numbers, STAY FAR AWAY. Since his "breakout" in 2009 with a .569 slugging percentage, he's regressed every year (including the next season before he was injured). This year it's at .436. Looking at where it was before that break out year...it seems more likely to be an aberration. He was never really any good, he just had a singular good season.

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Old 06-23-2013, 01:53 PM
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blandman: Sign free agent Kendrys Morales after this season and trade for one of the 3 outfielders LA is trying to trade: Crawford, Kemp or Ethier and plug them into our lineup next year and I'll take my chances. .
All have low power; 2 of the 3 also have low OBPs. And at least 2 are past their prime. Pass. You can get that production at low prices on the FA market.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:58 PM
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You can't replace your 3, 4, and 5 guys simply because you have to/don't want to rebuild.

edit: I mentioned those spots in the lineup because Rios is leaving in a year (plus he'll probably regress more next year).
No offense, but that makes no sense. How can you say players who seemingly can't produce can't be replaced? Rios is the only decent hitter in the lineup, but you are predicting that Viciedo, Dunn and whoever will replace Konerko will hit well enough to bump Rios out of the middle of the order?! You are the most optimistic pessismist I've ever seen.

I recall people saying in 2004, how can the Sox offense replace the production of Ordonez and Lee? Except in that case those were two guys who were damn fine hitters...and they were still wrong.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:28 PM
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The Orioles need starting pitching badly. If Peavy comes back before the deadline (doubtful but possible), we might be able to get an injured Dylan Bundy, or if we're lucky a Kevin Gausman (Peavy would need to be back early and pitching lights out).

Unless we're willing to trade a young stud (like Sale or Reed), there really isn't an obvious match to a team with prospects worth mentioning. At least not yet. Our only other chip (Rios) is more expensive than guys who are likely to be out there at the deadline, which hurts our chances of dealing him for anything but pennies on the dollar.
Crain and perhaps Thornton (because he's a lefty) might generate a small amount of interest.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:50 PM
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Crain and perhaps Thornton (because he's a lefty) might generate a small amount of interest.
Small is the key word here. With their age and contract situations (basically two month rentals), we'd be LUCKY to get a B level prospect. More likely, we'd just dump their salary for a guy we'll release at the end of the year.
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Old 06-20-2013, 03:29 AM
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Small is the key word here. With their age and contract situations (basically two month rentals), we'd be LUCKY to get a B level prospect. More likely, we'd just dump their salary for a guy we'll release at the end of the year.
I disagree. Some posters have suggested that the Red Sox and Tigers would have interest in Crain. A number of National League teams, such as the Cardinals and Reds, will too. Crain might be the best short reliever on the market, particularly for a team like St. Louis that doesn't want to replace their closer but wants instead to bolster the back end of the bullpen.

Thornton has some value for certain teams, as well. Take Atlanta, for example. The Braves have lost their two lefties in the bullpen, Venters and O'Flaherty, to serious injuries. They need a lefty reliever badly. Thornton may not be what he was a couple of years ago but he would help them.

If Rick Hahn does this right, the Sox should be able to bring a lot of young talent back within the next two months.
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Old 06-20-2013, 09:30 AM
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I disagree. Some posters have suggested that the Red Sox and Tigers would have interest in Crain. A number of National League teams, such as the Cardinals and Reds, will too. Crain might be the best short reliever on the market, particularly for a team like St. Louis that doesn't want to replace their closer but wants instead to bolster the back end of the bullpen.

Thornton has some value for certain teams, as well. Take Atlanta, for example. The Braves have lost their two lefties in the bullpen, Venters and O'Flaherty, to serious injuries. They need a lefty reliever badly. Thornton may not be what he was a couple of years ago but he would help them.

If Rick Hahn does this right, the Sox should be able to bring a lot of young talent back within the next two months.
Teams are not going to pay a high price for Crain, especially when there's guys like Jose Veras available who have a very cheap option year next year and have already shown they can close. Veras won't get a high price. Crain certainly isn't. The days of rental relievers fetching value have been over for a half decade. The only reliever on our roster with high value is Reed.
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