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Old 05-14-2013, 01:14 AM
Lip Man 1 Lip Man 1 is offline
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"Eventually you get to that point where you don't pay attention to what's going on, we'll find somebody else to do it." --Robin to Mark Gonzales.

While I appreciate Robin's thoughts (it's about damn time...) the reality is, if he decides to make 'changes' who in the hell is he going replace these guys with?

Replacing a stiff with another stiff doesn't change the equation does it?

We'll see what happens.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:49 AM
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I hate to use this overused analogy, but wouldn't any changes be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:57 AM
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Quote of the Day:

"Eventually you get to that point where you don't pay attention to what's going on, we'll find somebody else to do it." --Robin to Mark Gonzales.

While I appreciate Robin's thoughts (it's about damn time...) the reality is, if he decides to make 'changes' who in the hell is he going replace these guys with?

Replacing a stiff with another stiff doesn't change the equation does it?

We'll see what happens.

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I hate to use this overused analogy, but wouldn't any changes be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?
Agreed. What "changes" can he make? Who in the minors is able to fill a roster spot on the major league team? This organization has just about zero talent ready for the majors or even close to ready for the majors.

The only change we'll see is when Beckham comes off the DL.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:08 AM
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Ventura certainly isn't the major problem with this team. Talent is. But, the unfocused play does fall at his feet. Baseball strategy isn't difficult, so things like intentionally walking Chris Getz do make one wonder.

That said, if we do conduct a fire sale, it really would be nice if we had a long term plan before doing it. Hahn should have his scouts working on it now so that we know who we want and can reasonably get before hand.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:26 AM
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The state of this team is not Robin's fault, and it's not 100% on Hahn (I don't know how much he is responsible for though). Where this team is at is mostly due to the moves KW made over the last 4-5 seasons. Trading away prospects for aging overpaid veterans, no focus on the minor leagues or developing players and signing aging veterans is what has led us to this point. The only thing this team has going for it is the pitching, and I will give credit to KW for assembling the staff. But everything else is just horrible and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. We are heading into some dark times with this organization; I hope Hahn has a plan and the resources to turn things around.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:36 AM
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The state of this team is not Robin's fault, and it's not 100% on Hahn (I don't know how much he is responsible for though). Where this team is at is mostly due to the moves KW made over the last 4-5 seasons. Trading away prospects for aging overpaid veterans, no focus on the minor leagues or developing players and signing aging veterans is what has led us to this point. The only thing this team has going for it is the pitching, and I will give credit to KW for assembling the staff. But everything else is just horrible and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. We are heading into some dark times with this organization; I hope Hahn has a plan and the resources to turn things around.
The staff is way too good and young to have me too concerned about our imminent demise. Hahn's going have to be creative and, like everyone else, get a little lucky, but it can be done.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:57 AM
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I am not impressed with this. Real changes should have come two years ago starting with an experienced manager.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:22 AM
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I am not impressed with this. Real changes should have come two years ago starting with an experienced manager.
Had that happened two years ago, let me predict what your post would have been today- "They shouldn't have hired some retread manager. They should have hired someone with fresh ideas."
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:28 AM
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Had that happened two years ago, let me predict what your post would have been today- "They shouldn't have hired some retread manager. They should have hired someone with fresh ideas."
Exactly.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:28 AM
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Had that happened two years ago, let me predict what your post would have been today- "They shouldn't have hired some retread manager. They should have hired someone with fresh ideas."
Psh, everyone knows hindsight provides the best predictive analysis!
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:32 AM
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I just don't want to see Dunn anymore, though he is good for potty breaks and beer breaks I guess.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:42 AM
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A number fans on this and other sites were leery of hiring the inexperienced Ventura.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:06 AM
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I am not impressed with this. Real changes should have come two years ago starting with an experienced manager.
Although others don't, I agree with this. Don't feel persecuted due to a personal opinion. I remember a few years ago seeing the phrase "in Kenny we trust" used on this board. That ideology is what we are paying for now.
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