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Old 05-09-2013, 05:55 PM
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Default Flowers or Phegley?

Flowers was below average with the bat in parts of the last two seasons, and shows no signs of improving based on his horribly bad start to the year. His career numbers in 407 PAs (.200/.296/.383) are starting to look more and more like another former White Sox prospect's numbers (.205/.284/.352). That line belongs to Joe Borchard.

Should Flowers get sent to AAA to work on his mechanics, or downgraded to a platoon role with Josh Phegley? Phegley at least has put together some flashy offensive numbers in AAA this year.

If Flowers maintains this offensive offensive production for another month or so, I don't see how the organization can rationalize keeping him in the lineup nearly every day. It may be time to admit the Flowers experiment (which I was in favor of, actually...had to find out if he could hack it eventually) is nearing an end.

That's not to say he can't turn it around, but the evidence is piling against him with every long, desperate swing he takes at those 1-2 curves.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:13 PM
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I know this seems snarky, but I'll take Option C.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:24 PM
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Phegley is terrible, give Flowers a year to figure it out. This team sucks anyway, we are not going anywhere, lets see if a full year, if he can be the C we thought (230-240 hitter, 20 homers, big arm behind the plate).

But yah, Phegley is never going to be anything but a back up C at best.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:28 PM
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But yah, Phegley is never going to be anything but a back up C at best.
I love the time of year when people ask for guys who barely belong at AAA to come up to the bigs.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:45 PM
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I love the time of year when people ask for guys who barely belong at AAA to come up to the bigs.
Phegley is knocking on the door to the majors, to say that he "barely belongs at AAA" is pretty foolish.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:30 PM
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Phegley is terrible, give Flowers a year to figure it out.
Phegley is off to a heck of a start this year. He could just be hot at the plate or perhaps he has figured something out. Pretty nice numbers:

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats...pbp&pid=572033

However, I do agree that 5 weeks is a bit early to judge Flowers. Although, it does appear that Tyler has a gigantic hole in his swing so far. He also has shown an inability to lay off pitcher's pitches on the outer half of the plate. He gets pull happy and rolls into a lot of 6-3 and 1-3 ground outs. If he is still struggling in July or August, it will be interesting to see if the Sox stick with him the whole way.
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:33 PM
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Too soon to pull the plug on the commitment they made to Flowers.

Too soon to say Phegley stinks.
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:35 PM
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I wouldn't mind bringing Phegley up just to DH, but as a catcher, Sale's wild pitch stats might triple.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:55 PM
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Too soon to pull the plug on the commitment they made to Flowers.

Too soon to say Phegley stinks.
It might be too soon to give up on both players (as they're both young), but it's not too soon to say they both have no business on a major league team with any sort of aspirations. Both are projects more than prospects, and not likely to amount to anything.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:43 PM
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Phegley is terrible...

But yah, Phegley is never going to be anything but a back up C at best.
Ridiculous. Phegley was an All-American in college and is tearing the cover off the ball in AAA. If not for his rare illness that took away 2010 and 2011, he'd probably already be in the majors.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:27 AM
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Whoever plays the position the best should be the starter. But if Phegley can it, I think they can find a spot for him regardless.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:52 AM
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I haven't seen enough of Phegley to have an opinion.

I know Flowers stinks. I knew that before the year began. I'm stunned Sox brass didn't know it.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:16 AM
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Ridiculous. Phegley was an All-American in college and is tearing the cover off the ball in AAA. If not for his rare illness that took away 2010 and 2011, he'd probably already be in the majors.
Ehh, he was a huge reach when we drafted him, he was a quick sign pick, that was well known.

Look at his home/road splits. In a month, he is going to regress to his norm. He is a solid defender, he will have a role on a big league team, but to throw out his entire body of work historically (even not looking at the years he was ill), because of a couple good road series is comical.

The potential of Flowers is >>>>>>>>>>>> The potential of Phegley... you have to give him the time as a starter to see what he does over a full year.

What I don't get is how people who clamor for Beckham to stay at 2b for his D will not give Tyler Flowers 1/3 the time Beckham has had, when Flowers is providing equal defense at a more defensive position.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:25 AM
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Ehh, he was a huge reach when we drafted him, he was a quick sign pick, that was well known.

Look at his home/road splits. In a month, he is going to regress to his norm. He is a solid defender, he will have a role on a big league team, but to throw out his entire body of work historically (even not looking at the years he was ill), because of a couple good road series is comical.

The potential of Flowers is >>>>>>>>>>>> The potential of Phegley... you have to give him the time as a starter to see what he does over a full year.

What I don't get is how people who clamor for Beckham to stay at 2b for his D will not give Tyler Flowers 1/3 the time Beckham has had, when Flowers is providing equal defense at a more defensive position.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:58 AM
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Ridiculous. Phegley was an All-American in college and is tearing the cover off the ball in AAA. If not for his rare illness that took away 2010 and 2011, he'd probably already be in the majors.
I know you've been all about the kid since he was drafted, but I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment. The kid's been nothing but terrible defensively, and his swing is way too flat to ever be effective at creating any sort of power. Unless he changes his approach (not likely at this stage), I don't see him being anything but a backup.
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