2013 Sox Payroll info

[russ99]

White Sox 2013 Payroll Info: (source: Cot's)

Guaranteed players:
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Danks, John - SP - $15,750,000 (with $1.5 annual bonus) - 4 yrs left (partial NTC)
Dunn, Adam - DH/1B - $15,000,000 - 2yrs left
Rios, Alex - RF/CF - $12,500,000 - 2yrs + TmOpt left (partial NTC)
Konerko, Paul - 1B.DH - $13,500,000 - 2014 FA (10/5 NTC rights)
Ramirez, Alexei - SS - $7,000,000 - 3yrs + TmOpt left
Thornton, Matt - RP - $5,500.00 - 1yr + TmOpt left
Crain, Jesse - RP - $4,500,000 - 2014 FA
Sale, Chris - SP - $775,000 (est. raise from 500K), first arb year 2014
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Total 2013 obligations: $74,525,000


Near-minimum players, multiple yrs before arb
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Reed, Addison - $675,000 (est. raise from 480K),
Jones, Nate - RP - $625,000 (est. raise from 480K),
Santiago, Hector - $600,000 (est. raise from 480K),
Morel, Brent - 3B - $535,000 (est. raise from 490K),
Flowers, Tyler - C - $535,000 (est. raise from 483K),
Danks, Jordan - OF- minimum - $490,000 in 2013
Quintana, Jose - P - minimum - $490,000
Veal, Donald - P - minimum - $490,000
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Running total: $78,965,000
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Arbitration eligible:
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Viciedo, Dayan - LF - Arb1 - $6,000,000** (est.) 2012 salary:$3,250,00)
DeAza, Alejandro - CF - Arb1 - $2,500,000 (est.) 2012: $495,000)
Beckham, Gordon - 2B - Arb1 - $2,250,000 (est.) 2012: $520,000)
Humber, Phil - P - Arb1 - $1,750,000 (est.) 2012: $530,000)
Olmedo, Rey - IF - Arb1 - $570,000 (est.) 2012: minimum)
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21 players - Running Total: $92,035,000
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** Estimate for Viciedo is raised due to Boras representation, previous salary, 2012 power numbers, and potential of going to hearing.

By comparison, when similar hitter Carlos Quentin hit arb in 2011 with a similar $3.2M salary, he signed for $5.05M with more injury concerns and non-Boras rep.


Options:
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Peavy, Jake - SP - $22,000,000 team option - $4,000,000 buyout
Youkilis, Kevin - 3B - $13,000,000 team option - $1,000,000 buyout
Myers, Brett - RP - $10,000,000 team option - $3,000,000 buyout
Floyd, Gavin - Sp - $9,500,000 team option - zero buyout. See below.
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Running Total with Peavy, Youkilis and Myers buyouts: $100,035,000
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Free Agents:
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Pierzynski, A.J. - C - '12: $6,000,000 (est '13 salary: $8,000,000)
Hudson, Orlando - IF - '12: $5,500,000 (est '13 salary: $2,250,000)
Liriano, Francisco - SP - '12: $5,500,000 (est '13 salary: $9,250,000)
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OFFSEASON SCENARIOS:
Scenario 1:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option is refused and all buyouts exercised.
Add 4 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,960,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $101,995,000

Scenario 2:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option year picked up and all buyouts exercised.
Add 3 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,470,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $111,005,000

Scenario 3:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option refused and all buyouts exercised, and Dunn is traded, which would under my estimation would require a large contract coming back. Max Savings for 2013 - $5M.
Add 4 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,960,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $96,995,000

Scenario 4:
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A.J re-signs at a team friendly $7,500,000; Floyd's option year picked up and all buyouts exercised.
Add 2 players at minimum to fill roster: $980,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $118,015,000

Scenario 5:
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No FA's come back, Floyd's option refused and all buyouts exercised, and Viciedo is traded for prospects before arbitration.
Add 2 players at minimum to fill roster: $1,960,000
TOTAL ESTIMATED PAYROLL: $98,445,000

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For reference, the Opening Day 2012 payroll was: $97,669,500.

Adding prorated partial seasons for Youkilis, Liriano, Hudson and call-ups increases 2012 maximum another $7-8M or so, give or take a few million, the Sox spent $105,000,000.

[Noneck]

Very interesting. It sure looks like the Sox cant be competitive at 97M and probably not even at the 118M option.

[getonbckthr]

I can definately see Thornton and Crain traded this offseason. Might have to eat some money for Crain but Thornton should be able to be moved cleanly. I don't see any scenario where Humber is back. This offseason may be a good time to trade Rios as well.

[DSpivack]

I think Viciedo's $6 million is overestimated. Viewing it as similar to Quentin's year is a mistake, IMHO, as Quentin's 2010 was better than Viciedo's 2012, and TCQ also had an MVP-type year in his past in 2008.

[LoveYourSuit]

Looking at those numbers, how depressing.

I might get the itch for this (baseball) come February.

But if the Sox want to board up the Cell and close for business in 2013, go right ahead.

[russ99]

Originally Posted by DSpivack

I think Viciedo's $6 million is overestimated. Viewing it as similar to Quentin's year is a mistake, IMHO, as Quentin's 2010 was better than Viciedo's 2012, and TCQ also had an MVP-type year in his past in 2008.

Certainly possible. Maybe I'm overestimating the Boras factor. Since he has a high salary for his age at $3.25M and will get a decent raise due to his 2012 numbers, $4.5-$5M is probably the lowest we can expect.

Hahn has worked pretty well with Boras in the past, Kenny is the one with issues, so maybe we won't get taken to the cleaners on this one.

I'm thinking the key for next year is what Jerry decides with the payroll. Hopefully Kenny's end of year comments mean that we won't see another cut next year due to attendance. Since we were around $105-106 with the in-season additions, I agree we can get some wiggle room by dealing Thornton and Crane.

The other thing I find odd is some of the rumors our there that the Sox may look to re-sign Peavy and/or Youk to lower deals. That would push payroll much higher.

[doublem23]

Originally Posted by russ99

The other thing I find odd is some of the rumors our there that the Sox may look to re-sign Peavy and/or Youk to lower deals. That would push payroll much higher.

Wow, you mean like all these people saying how they think the Sox will go back to pre-2005 levels of payroll after one disappointing season are nothing but internet sensationalists reacting emotionally without any basis of fact to back their claims???

I'm quite sure if you go back to this thread last year, you'd see the same kind of apocalyptic pants-pissing by probably the same posters with the same agendas to push that haven't yet been convinced they really don't know what they're talking about. So let's all keep that in mind.

Furthermore, I would suspect that Humber will be non-tendered. I think he's gone. I also think your arb and pre-arb contracts are all running on the high side. But we'll see.

[Brian26]

Originally Posted by russ99

White Sox 2013 Payroll Info: (source: Cot's)

Guaranteed players:
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Danks, John - SP - $15,750,000 (with $1.5 annual bonus) - 4 yrs left (partial NTC)
Dunn, Adam - DH/1B - $15,000,000 - 2yrs left
Rios, Alex - RF/CF - $12,500,000 - 2yrs + TmOpt left (partial NTC)
Konerko, Paul - 1B.DH - $13,500,000 - 2014 FA (10/5 NTC rights)
Ramirez, Alexei - SS - $7,000,000 - 3yrs + TmOpt left
Thornton, Matt - RP - $5,500.00 - 1yr + TmOpt left
Crain, Jesse - RP - $4,500,000 - 2014 FA
Sale, Chris - SP - $775,000 (est. raise from 500K), first arb year 2014
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Total 2013 obligations: $74,525,000

Every team can stomach having one or maybe two guys grossly overpaid, but look at that list above. Brutal.

[Dibbs]

Nice post, but I didn't realize how bleak next year is looking.

[Lip Man 1]

It's all going to depend on how much payroll Hahn has to work with and only JR knows the answer to that...although I suspect with all the hints Kenny has said recently about the number of people looking into the Sox attendance issues, what they have to say and projections they have are also going to factor in heavily.

Lip

[LoveYourSuit]

Originally Posted by Brian26

Every team can stomach having one or maybe two guys grossly overpaid, but look at that list above. Brutal.

Been a huge Kenny supporter since he took the job.

But those numbers there are very close to Jim Hendry material.

[Tragg]

Originally Posted by LoveYourSuit

Been a huge Kenny supporter since he took the job.

But those numbers there are very close to Jim Hendry material.

Nah -no Soriano numbers on that list.
And Thornton's overpaid - way overpaid on a percentage bases (probably 40% overpaid) but still only a few million.
That's a high buyout for Myers. $3 mill for him? He won't get but $5 mill or so in the open market.

[24thStFan]

According to the USA Today 2012 MLB salaries database, the White Sox ranked 11th in total payroll. By comparison, the highest ranked club, not surprisingly the Yankees, had a payroll over 101 million dollars higher!

I've been a Sox fan for 58 years and can remember my dad telling me that the Sox would never win anything because they were "cheap." I think this perception continues even today, which may partially explain the attendance issue. I KNOW that in the recent past, the Sox have opened up the purse strings a little, but I still contend that the average fan sees the organization as "cheap."

If the Sox want to REALLY want to make a statement to the fans, spend some money and sign our own and some other big name free agents. We need to compete with the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers in terms of payroll.

This is Chicago, we should have a big market mentality and be able to attract big name players. It's time to put up the money and show the fans that we're not going to concede the central division to freaking Detroit.

[ChicagoG19]

Originally Posted by 24thStFan

According to the USA Today 2012 MLB salaries database, the White Sox ranked 11th in total payroll. By comparison, the highest ranked club, not surprisingly the Yankees, had a payroll over 101 million dollars higher!

I've been a Sox fan for 58 years and can remember my dad telling me that the Sox would never win anything because they were "cheap." I think this perception continues even today, which may partially explain the attendance issue. I KNOW that in the recent past, the Sox have opened up the purse strings a little, but I still contend that the average fan sees the organization as "cheap."

If the Sox want to REALLY want to make a statement to the fans, spend some money and sign our own and some other big name free agents. We need to compete with the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers in terms of payroll.

This is Chicago, we should have a big market mentality and be able to attract big name players. It's time to put up the money and show the fans that we're not going to concede the central division to freaking Detroit.

Unfortunately it goes back to the chicken and egg argument. The Sox will spend money fans show up and fans claim they will show up when the team spends money. It is my opinion that the Sox held up their end of the bargain. Jerry started to spend the cash when Sox were drawing nearly 3 million in 2006.

[asindc]

Originally Posted by LoveYourSuit

Been a huge Kenny supporter since he took the job.

But those numbers there are very close to Jim Hendry material.

Not even close. Thornton is grossly overpaid, but that's it. John Danks is overpaid, but he would have gotten that deal from several different teams, so it reflects the market. So do the rest of the contracts.