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Old 07-28-2012, 10:05 AM
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Plans on adding trapped balls in the OF, and bullets down the LF/RF line.
There is no timetable, but the Commissioner said in Jan. it won't happen during the 2012 season or postseason.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...5151065363-996
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Old 07-28-2012, 11:16 AM
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Couldn't they do something like they have in tennis for fair and foul balls down the line?
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:10 AM
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Plans on adding trapped balls in the OF, and bullets down the LF/RF line.
There is no timetable, but the Commissioner said in Jan. it won't happen during the 2012 season or postseason.
I can't wait to see how they handle it when a ball that was ruled foul is found to be fair, or a ball that was called a catch is ruled a trap on replay. How will they know how far base runners would have advanced? After all, once the "foul" or "out" call is made, they'll stop running and go back to their bases. The arguments ought to be amazing.
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Old 07-29-2012, 06:44 AM
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I can't wait to see how they handle it when a ball that was ruled foul is found to be fair, or a ball that was called a catch is ruled a trap on replay. How will they know how far base runners would have advanced? After all, once the "foul" or "out" call is made, they'll stop running and go back to their bases. The arguments ought to be amazing.
It would probably be easiest to handle it the same way a ground-rule double is handled vs. fan interference. The former is a 2 base advance while the latter is subject to umpire discretion. Most traps occur when an outfielder is coming in for a ball. So, that would be 1 base while a ball down either line would be 2 bases.

After seeing Flowers throw out two Ranger base runners last night, I'd like to see steal attempts added to the list of reviewable plays.
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:23 AM
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I still don't understand why the official scorer can't be used to relay correct calls down to the umps for all calls that are incorrect.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:11 AM
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I still don't understand why the official scorer can't be used to relay correct calls down to the umps for all calls that are incorrect.
Because the official scorer is provided by the home team.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:20 AM
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I still don't understand why the official scorer can't be used to relay correct calls down to the umps for all calls that are incorrect.
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Because the official scorer is provided by the home team.
If you want replay, just hire an extra ump and sit him next to the scorer and a television set and have him point out obvious mistakes. Anything else sucks. Hell, you could put a few guys in a room in NYC watching a bunch of games at once to do the same thing to save $.

I hate replay in sports.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:54 AM
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I can't wait to see how they handle it when a ball that was ruled foul is found to be fair, or a ball that was called a catch is ruled a trap on replay. How will they know how far base runners would have advanced? After all, once the "foul" or "out" call is made, they'll stop running and go back to their bases. The arguments ought to be amazing.
They'll basically be going from one judgement call to another and that will create just as much controversey. Maybe they'll decide to work it like we did as kids and have a "do over". We all know the biggest difference makers in the game are the ball and strike decisions but I don't want electronic umpires. We've lived with human error for 100+ years in this game and we can keep on living with it. I'm getting a bit tired of this sport trying to mimic what they do in football. It's a different game.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:13 AM
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We've lived with human error for 100+ years in this game and we can keep on living with it.

I'm in the camp that wants to see the correct call every single time, if possible. In the early 1900s they had no choice but to live with human error--nowadays the technology to move away from that is all there, we just choose not to use it. For instance--we see the pitch tracker after every single pitch and can immediatly tell whether it was a ball or strike.

Personally I think the botched call that cost Detroit a perfect game a few years back was the beginning of a movement that will eventually result in a dramatic shift as to how games are officiated. If a missed call ever dramatically impacts a World Series, things will get very interesting.
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:20 AM
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I'd rather have no technology than risk moving towards a scenario where balls & strikes are called by pitch trax or similar. My worry is that each year another human element to the game will disappear. The fact that mistakes are made (or not made as the case may be) is why some games are still talked about years later.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:24 PM
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Source: MLB owners approved the trial of two advanced instant-replay systems to be used in games beginning next week.

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Old 08-17-2012, 07:46 PM
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I'd rather have no technology than risk moving towards a scenario where balls & strikes are called by pitch trax or similar. My worry is that each year another human element to the game will disappear. The fact that mistakes are made (or not made as the case may be) is why some games are still talked about years later.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:10 PM
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I'm in the camp that wants to see the correct call every single time, if possible. In the early 1900s they had no choice but to live with human error--nowadays the technology to move away from that is all there, we just choose not to use it. For instance--we see the pitch tracker after every single pitch and can immediatly tell whether it was a ball or strike.

Personally I think the botched call that cost Detroit a perfect game a few years back was the beginning of a movement that will eventually result in a dramatic shift as to how games are officiated. If a missed call ever dramatically impacts a World Series, things will get very interesting.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:10 AM
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I'm in the camp that wants to see the correct call every single time, if possible. In the early 1900s they had no choice but to live with human error--nowadays the technology to move away from that is all there, we just choose not to use it. For instance--we see the pitch tracker after every single pitch and can immediatly tell whether it was a ball or strike.

Personally I think the botched call that cost Detroit a perfect game a few years back was the beginning of a movement that will eventually result in a dramatic shift as to how games are officiated. If a missed call ever dramatically impacts a World Series, things will get very interesting.
Exactly, and how many times have the umpires decision to call the pitch a ball or strike was different than what the pitch tracker displayed?!

I hate seeing replay get involved in baseball. Over the years we've seen human error cost games and perfect games from being pitched. That's part of the drama. With football and basketball, there is a time element where electronics comes into play in order to manage the games and so replay is now a natural part of that evolvement. Baseball has no such requirements.

If anything, as mentioned, add another umpire up in the press box who has access to replay and can overturn a field umpire's decision (non balls/strikes) only when requested by the crew chief. Perhaps limit the amount of requests per team, similar to NFL red flags.

If replay is used when base runners are involved, the same out of bounds rules should apply.
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:01 PM
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I want automated ball and strike calls. I detest double standards.

At a minimum, I want computers to determine if the pitch is over the plate. I understand that high and low may be a judgment call because different players have different stances and heights, and even the way their uniform fits. But the ball is either over the plate or it is not.

Or would someone like to explain why baseball is better when an egotistical prick like Joe West unnecessarily inserts himself into the game, or exacts revenge for the heinous crime of having the unrepentant gall to question his flawed, biased judgment, by giving one team's pitcher a strike that is even an inch off the plate, while squeezing the less-favored opposing pitcher?

Because if you favor "the human element," you necessarily and by definition prefer a system in which Joe West can do and does just that.
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