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Old 09-22-2013, 07:21 PM
TomBradley72 TomBradley72 is offline
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Originally Posted by dickallen15 View Post
Have you checked out the Sox roster? Seriously. Putting losses on the manager would be like saying the reason Konerko is slow is he wasn't taught the proper way to run. I don't believe they way you are judging him on wins and losses, when several people thought the Sox would step back and they have unloaded some talent from their roster, is the way you would like to be judged in real life. If they guy had a stacked roster and this was happening, fine. But its not and you know it.

Besides, he gets another year of experience under his belt. That means he is only going to get better. I read experience is the key right on this board.i do like that you used the Pythagorean number. Joe Maddon was minus 4 his first year at TB. Minus 1 the next year, yet people here want the guy who stands next to him and is more quiet than Robin to manage the Sox. Unless you are Phil Rogers, using that number to judge a manager is silly, especially of a 95 plus loss team.
I think I can discern between a bad manager and one who is a good manager but stuck with a bad roster.

Larussa was a good manager- saddled with a bad team in 1979-80.
I thought he made moves that made the most of what he had to work with- and that the team played better fundamentals then the previous manager (Kessinger and before that Doby).

After two years of watching Ventura- I just don't see any evidence he's a good manager- even when I've filtered out the talent he has had to work with.

And now- he just seems in over his head- it's subjective and some of it is instinct- but he just seems lost to me. I want to be wrong- he's one of my all time favorite players, I supported his original hiring, and thought he got off to an interesting start-

I still haven't seen a single post in this thread where anyone specifically describes where they think ANY part of his game as a manager is strong (handling pitchers? teaching young players? getting the most out of veterans? solid fundamentals? high energy? aggressive in game moves? anything?)
Players that are an important part of the rebuild:
Anderson, Fulmer, Giolito, Lopez, Moncada
Players that might be or could have trade value:
Abreu, Bummer, Davidson, Fry, A. Garcia, Jones, Sanchez
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