Originally Posted by kobo
Who cares what a pitcher does once he leaves the organization? What matters is what happens with that pitcher while he's here and working with Cooper. For whatever reason Cooper seems to be able to get the most out of guys when they are here. Why are you basing the success of Cooper on whether a pitcher is considered a top pitcher? It's not his job to make every pitcher the best in the game, it's his job to maximize that pitcher's talent/ability to help the team. In my opinion, Cooper has done that more often than not.
My point was that there is not a pitcher on this staff that Coop can claim as an example of someone he has developed into a good pitcher. I brought up other teams because some coaches develop pitchers only to see them sign big contracts elsewhere. During his Chicago tenure the Sox have finished in AL ERA: 4 ( 2003)-12-2-10-12-6-2-8-8-9-. So during the Cooper years the White Sox have on average finished as the 7th best team in the league ERA wise. That is average.