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oeo
04-11-2008, 10:31 PM
Terrible effort. Better come ready tomorrow.

JB98
04-11-2008, 10:32 PM
Really, really bad. Only four goddamn hits against a horrendous Detroit bullpen.

JoeClutch24
04-11-2008, 10:34 PM
What happened to Farmer I caught Ronjii on the way home from the Royals game on XM

southsideirish71
04-11-2008, 10:34 PM
Really, really bad. Only four goddamn hits against a horrendous Detroit bullpen.

Better yet 10ks from their pen.

Maybe Kenny can have a word with Ozzie on keeping his mouth shut on the umps. If this is the type of umping we are going to see all year long, we are going to have a hard time beating the other team and the men in blue everynight.

Low and away still seems to shut down our team.

Daver
04-11-2008, 10:35 PM
Really, really bad. Only four goddamn hits against a horrendous Detroit bullpen.

Can we leave the religious references out?

RadioheadRocks
04-11-2008, 10:35 PM
What happened to Farmer I caught Ronjii on the way home from the Royals game on XM


His mother-in-law passed away.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=99800

WhiteSox5187
04-11-2008, 10:36 PM
I really think the turning point in this game came yet again from an umpire, Jim Thome getting thrown out changed the face of the game. You'd have bases loaded with one out and that could have been the inning we put it away. Instead you have runners at first and second with two out and lose our DH. But it's STILL inexcusable to get only four hits off of this ****ing bullpen. Jose didn't look great, but didn't look bad either. Had a bad third where he got blooped to death.

oeo
04-11-2008, 10:36 PM
We need a 'Cut Toby Hall' tag. He's just awful. His weak swing rivals that of Jerry Owens, and his defense is atrocious.

Thome and Konerko need to wake up...or Ozzie needs to shake up the lineup. We have other options this year with Swisher; make some changes.

JoeClutch24
04-11-2008, 10:36 PM
His mother-in-law passed away.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=99800

Thanks. Ronjii needs to stick to Post games, he does an excellent job at that

oeo
04-11-2008, 10:37 PM
Better yet 10ks from their pen.

Maybe Kenny can have a word with Ozzie on keeping his mouth shut on the umps. If this is the type of umping we are going to see all year long, we are going to have a hard time beating the other team and the men in blue everynight.

Low and away still seems to shut down our team.

The umpire was terrible for both sides. The umpires are having a very bad year so far; just terrible.

QCIASOXFAN
04-11-2008, 10:37 PM
What a wasted opportunity tonight was.

WhiteSox5187
04-11-2008, 10:38 PM
We need a 'Cut Toby Hall' tag. He's just awful. His weak swing rivals that of Jerry Owens, and his defense is atrocious.

Thome and Konerko need to wake up...or Ozzie needs to shake up the lineup. We have other options this year with Swisher; make some changes.
I agree. We are getting absolutely NO production out of three and four hitters and that better change soon. And by soon I'm thinking "Tommorrow."

SluggersAway
04-11-2008, 10:38 PM
Maybe Kenny can have a word with Ozzie on keeping his mouth shut on the umps. If this is the type of umping we are going to see all year long, we are going to have a hard time beating the other team and the men in blue everynight.

This.

But, I am afraid the damage is already done.

RadioheadRocks
04-11-2008, 10:40 PM
We need a 'Cut Toby Hall' tag. He's just awful. His weak swing rivals that of Jerry Owens, and his defense is atrocious.

Thome and Konerko need to wake up...or Ozzie needs to shake up the lineup. We have other options this year with Swisher; make some changes.


Ozzie needs to open a can of whoop-ass.

WhiteSox5187
04-11-2008, 10:42 PM
This.

But, I am afraid the damage is already done.
I really don't think the umps can keep this up the whole season. At least tonight the calls were bad for both sides, but if we have umpiring like we did on OD for the whole year, then the whole ****ing umpiring union should be out the door. Ozzie sure as hell isn't the first to complain about umps nor will he be the last and really he was only going after Cuzzi.

Viva Medias B's
04-11-2008, 10:45 PM
Losing to a 1-8 team is one thing, but losing to them in the manner in which we did is not excusable.

BringBackBlkJack
04-11-2008, 10:46 PM
Looking on the bright side, every time the Sox have lost two straight this season, they've responded with a 5 game winning streak!

Seriously, the Sox need to take the next two. It can be done.

Blueprint1
04-11-2008, 10:55 PM
The hitting was really bad. Thome needs to step it up.

Noneck
04-11-2008, 10:57 PM
The hitting was really bad. Thome needs to step it up.
And maybe his best game of the year will be the season opener.

Patrick134
04-11-2008, 10:59 PM
And maybe his best game of the year will be the season opener.


He hasn't had many hits so far, but he had a huge one in Detroit off of Willis.

alohafri
04-11-2008, 11:00 PM
Ozzie needs to open a can of whoop-ass.

Ozzie must have misread his calendar. It looked like his Sunday lineup out there.

WhiteSox5187
04-11-2008, 11:00 PM
And maybe his best game of the year will be the season opener.
It's clearly been his best game so far this year. But I think he'll come around. I am hoping this is his last year though because then we can move JD to the DH spot...if he wants to play again it is an interesting descion for Kenny, does he bring him back or let him walk?

JB98
04-11-2008, 11:01 PM
Ozzie must have misread his calendar. It looked like his Sunday lineup out there.

Well, Swish is hurt. So the decision to play BA was sensible. AJ didn't need another day off though. The Sox have already had two days off this week.

jabrch
04-11-2008, 11:02 PM
We need a 'Cut Toby Hall' tag.

2, 3, 4 went 0 for the night. Toby isn't our problem.

WhiteSox5187
04-11-2008, 11:03 PM
Well, Swish is hurt. So the decision to play BA was sensible. AJ didn't need another day off though. The Sox have already had two days off this week.
I think the descion to sit AJ was based off the fact that Willis, a lefty, was starting. How badly is Swish hurt? He at least got an at bat.

Lip Man 1
04-11-2008, 11:04 PM
They have left a lot of runners on base the past two games. The weather might have something to do with it, we'll see.

And I agree with Toby Hall. I think he's still hurt, he simply doesn't look good right now.

Lip

oeo
04-11-2008, 11:04 PM
Well, Swish is hurt. So the decision to play BA was sensible. AJ didn't need another day off though. The Sox have already had two days off this week.

They play at noon tomorrow...

Unfortunately, he was going to need one of the next few days off. I'll take him over Hall against Verlander tomorrow.

oeo
04-11-2008, 11:07 PM
2, 3, 4 went 0 for the night. Toby isn't our problem.

Way to ignore the rest of the post. Toby Hall brings nothing to this team. He didn't lose the game, but he's not going to help this team win games either.

His defense is awful...he's lazy back there, tries to back-hand nearly everything; he also has no shot at catching a baserunner stealing. Then he has the weakest swing from a big guy that I've ever seen. I'd rather have Donny Lucy...at least he can play D. Honestly, I'd rather bring Sandy Alomar Jr. back...and that's saying a lot. At least he can occasionally drive the ball. In the time Toby has been here, I've only seen weak ground ball and bloop hits.

WhiteSox5187
04-11-2008, 11:07 PM
They have left a lot of runners on base the past two games. The weather might have something to do with it, we'll see.

And I agree with Toby Hall. I think he's still hurt, he simply doesn't look good right now.

Lip
I agree, he didn't look that good last year either though. It's too bad because if he were 100% healthy I think he'd have been a big contributer to this team, but I'm shocked when he hits it out of the infield.

JB98
04-11-2008, 11:23 PM
They play at noon tomorrow...

Unfortunately, he was going to need one of the next few days off. I'll take him over Hall against Verlander tomorrow.

I'm aware they play at noon. I just don't think AJ needs the rest. He played a day game after a night game in Cleveland. He's already had two days off this week. He can handle it.

Although I agree that Hall was not the problem with the offense tonight, I didn't see any reason to rest AJ.

Hall got one more base hit tonight than I thought he would.

chisoxfanatic
04-11-2008, 11:24 PM
What was Ozzie thinking with that lineup??? SERIOUSLY!

That was one of the most miserable games I've ever been to weather wise. 40 degrees and raining most of the night...eesh! A hot shower sounds so great right about now.

There was this Cub fan in the section next to mine who was constantly walking up and down the stairs displaying his Cubs hoodie. I asked him where his World Series rings were, and his reply was "You haven't won it all in three years!" Idiot! :rolleyes:

southsideirish71
04-11-2008, 11:27 PM
What was Ozzie thinking with that lineup??? SERIOUSLY!

That was one of the most miserable games I've ever been to weather wise. 40 degrees and raining most of the night...eesh! A hot shower sounds so great right about now.

There was this Cub fan in the section next to mine who was constantly walking up and down the stairs displaying his Cubs hoodie. I asked him where his World Series rings were, and his reply was "You haven't won it all in three years!" Idiot! :rolleyes:

You should of told him that you have fond memories of 3 years ago. And if he wants to find someone in 1908 who can say the same, I suggest either he gets a shovel or a ouiji board.

Sockinchisox
04-11-2008, 11:29 PM
What was Ozzie thinking with that lineup??? SERIOUSLY!

That was one of the most miserable games I've ever been to weather wise. 40 degrees and raining most of the night...eesh! A hot shower sounds so great right about now.

There was this Cub fan in the section next to mine who was constantly walking up and down the stairs displaying his Cubs hoodie. I asked him where his World Series rings were, and his reply was "You haven't won it all in three years!" Idiot! :rolleyes:

Was he in Section 150?

jabrch
04-11-2008, 11:31 PM
Way to ignore the rest of the post. Toby Hall brings nothing to this team. He didn't lose the game, but he's not going to help this team win games either.

His defense is awful...he's lazy back there, tries to back-hand nearly everything; he also has no shot at catching a baserunner stealing. Then he has the weakest swing from a big guy that I've ever seen. I'd rather have Donny Lucy...at least he can play D. Honestly, I'd rather bring Sandy Alomar Jr. back...and that's saying a lot. At least he can occasionally drive the ball. In the time Toby has been here, I've only seen weak ground ball and bloop hits.

I don't disagree that he has been a major disappointment - but he isn't anywhere near our top 10 problem list.

oeo
04-11-2008, 11:32 PM
I'm aware they play at noon. I just don't think AJ needs the rest. He played a day game after a night game in Cleveland. He's already had two days off this week. He can handle it.

We have differing opinions then. AJ doesn't have a backup, and I'd like to see him stay as fresh as possible. They don't have another off day until next Monday...I saw nothing wrong with him sitting today. It wasn't the bottom of the lineup that killed us today, anyway.

oeo
04-11-2008, 11:32 PM
I don't disagree that he has been a major disappointment - but he isn't anywhere near our top 10 problem list.

In our Top 10? Sure he is.

AJ, like every other catcher, is going to need days off. I'd like to see just a wee bit of production from his back-up...and would prefer that to be defensively.

chisoxfanatic
04-11-2008, 11:35 PM
Was he in Section 150?

Yes, he was. I was the chick yelling at him to sit down in 149. He had some nerve. And those "Tiger" fans with him were jerks too! We told them to go back to their ****ty city.

ws05champs
04-12-2008, 12:21 AM
Between the weather and the play on the field, the best thing about this game is that it's over.

hi im skot
04-12-2008, 12:30 AM
My 2008 season so far = 2 games, 2 ****ty performances in awful weather.

jabrch
04-12-2008, 12:33 AM
In our Top 10? Sure he is.

AJ, like every other catcher, is going to need days off. I'd like to see just a wee bit of production from his back-up...and would prefer that to be defensively.

We have 5 starters hitting .261 or worse, including 4 of them under .215. Walks or not - if you don't hit, you can't win.

Our starters have ERAs of 8.31, 8.00, 5.25 4.50 and 7.20. We have a team ERA of 5.40 and a WHIP of 1.56.

I'm really not worried much about our backup catcher.

Pear-Zin-Ski
04-12-2008, 12:50 AM
I was confused not to see AJ in the lineup...the Sox got a day off yesterday...whatever....

The guys up top really need to start hitting the ball....particularly Thome and Konerko...not to mention it doesnt help when the bottom of the order doesnt help out at all...Crede and Uribe went 0-8 if Im not mistaken...not suprised...but a lil dissapointed....

Bullpen looked a lil shaky...Detroit's offense has looked unstable so far this year and yet we still let them take two runs from us...3-2 is WAY different than 5-2....

And to close...why were there so many Detroit fans at the Cell????? Such annoying fans....

Attendance Record
0-1

DumpJerry
04-12-2008, 12:50 AM
Does anyone remember ever seeing Thome go so ballistic on an Ump? I mean he made Ozzie look calm and reasonable.

CSF-why were you yelling at the Cub fan? What was that going to prove? We had a Cub near my section who kept yelling "Let's go Cubs!" at the top of his lungs. We ignored him and cheered when security escorted him out.

Pear-Zin-Ski
04-12-2008, 12:53 AM
Does anyone remember ever seeing Thome go so ballistic on an Ump? I mean he made Ozzie look calm and reasonable.

CSF-why were you yelling at the Cub fan? What was that going to prove? We had a Cub near my section who kept yelling "Let's go Cubs!" at the top of his lungs. We ignored him and cheered when security escorted him out.

It was pretty shocking to see Thome go nuts on the ump...yet alone the fact that he got called out on that pitch anyway...what the ump says goes...nothing you can do about that....

One of the guys in front of me was escorted out after hassling Magglio for 2 innings...the guy was pretty obscene but funny as heck....

DumpJerry
04-12-2008, 01:00 AM
One of the guys in front of me was escorted out after hassling Magglio for 2 innings...the guy was pretty obscene but funny as heck....
Was he the bald guy in or around Section 117? That guy was escorted by about 7 or 8 security people and he was doing things with the women around him that made me ready to rumble.

Pear-Zin-Ski
04-12-2008, 01:02 AM
Was he the bald guy in or around Section 117? That guy was escorted by about 7 or 8 security people and he was doing things with the women around him that made me ready to rumble.

Naw...I was in 105 and the guy was pracically right below me...a couple rows up....

hi im skot
04-12-2008, 01:26 AM
And to close...why were there so many Detroit fans at the Cell????? Such annoying fans....


Lately, a lot of people from Michigan move to Chicago out of college. That certainly had something to do with the number of Tigers fans.

Pear-Zin-Ski
04-12-2008, 01:31 AM
Lately, a lot of people from Michigan move to Chicago out of college. That certainly had something to do with the number of Tigers fans.

Becuase all those Michigan kids know there is no chance of a future in Michigan...oh well....

I should know anyway...my friend who I went to the game with is a Tigers fan and grew up in Grand Rapids....

ElDuque26
04-12-2008, 02:17 AM
I know swish got the day off for an injury and AJ is catching tom. afternoon and willis isnt a good matchup for him, but without both of them in the lineup this team didnt look like the team that showed up for the first 8 games...no fight tonight...tough

Stringer
04-12-2008, 03:20 AM
Heres hoping we take the next two. Jose pitched "well" enough for us to have easily taken this one.

BadBobbyJenks
04-12-2008, 03:31 AM
If we have 20 problems with this team, our back up catcher is number 21....

SBSoxFan
04-12-2008, 06:39 AM
Losing to a 1-8 team is one thing, but losing to them in the manner in which we did is not excusable.

I wonder if Boston fans were ready to jump off the ledge after they lost to an 0-7 team. Everyone wins, everyone has stinkers some days. The amount of hand wringing here is nuts.

BUMMER
04-12-2008, 07:11 AM
I really think the turning point in this game came yet again from an umpire, Jim Thome getting thrown out changed the face of the game. You'd have bases loaded with one out and that could have been the inning we put it away. Instead you have runners at first and second with two out and lose our DH. But it's STILL inexcusable to get only four hits off of this ****ing bullpen. Jose didn't look great, but didn't look bad either. Had a bad third where he got blooped to death.

More of a turning point was when Grilli couldn't find the strike zone (2 walks & a HBP loaded the bases) and a 2-0 count on Dye and he swings and grounds out. What happened to making the pitcher throw a strike? The Sox were only down 3-2 at the time. Looks a lot like last year with ducks getting left on pond. No?

kitekrazy
04-12-2008, 07:22 AM
I really don't think the umps can keep this up the whole season. At least tonight the calls were bad for both sides, but if we have umpiring like we did on OD for the whole year, then the whole ****ing umpiring union should be out the door. Ozzie sure as hell isn't the first to complain about umps nor will he be the last and really he was only going after Cuzzi.

I guess you forgot that Bud Selig is the commissioner.

kitekrazy
04-12-2008, 07:37 AM
It was pretty shocking to see Thome go nuts on the ump...yet alone the fact that he got called out on that pitch anyway...what the ump says goes...nothing you can do about that....

One of the guys in front of me was escorted out after hassling Magglio for 2 innings...the guy was pretty obscene but funny as heck....

Many of us learned in Little League when you have 2 strikes don't look for help from the ump. I didn't see the pitch to know how far off it was.

From most of the comments it sounds like it it was an unofficial "buy a ticket and act like an idiot night". It's sad how uncivil we have become at sporting events.

white sox bill
04-12-2008, 08:40 AM
Shame that Willis got hurt--he looked pretty wild last night and I think we could have lit him up had he stayed in game.

Hall wouldn't bother me so much if the rest of the team hadn't shut down behind him. If her were the only 0-4 batter in the line up and rest of team picked him upm then fine. Is Cole Armstrong in Charlotte or Birmingham?

cheezheadsoxfan
04-12-2008, 09:17 AM
That one REALLY did remind me of last year. Bleah!! Pick it up today boys!

Thome_Fan
04-12-2008, 10:21 AM
I wonder if Boston fans were ready to jump off the ledge after they lost to an 0-7 team. Everyone wins, everyone has stinkers some days. The amount of hand wringing here is nuts.

I have to agree. Four days ago, people were about ready to put us in the World Series (yes, I realize I'm exaggerating for effect) and today we sound ready to throw in the towel. We're nine games in.

And seriously, if the calls are so bad that you get a guy like Thome that riled up.... :?:

alohafri
04-12-2008, 10:27 AM
Well, Swish is hurt. So the decision to play BA was sensible. AJ didn't need another day off though. The Sox have already had two days off this week.

That's what I get for watching the game in an establishment in Elk Grove Village where they had the sound for the Cub game on. I missed that Swisher was hurting.

Jurr
04-12-2008, 10:29 AM
I have to agree. Four days ago, people were about ready to put us in the World Series (yes, I realize I'm exaggerating for effect) and today we sound ready to throw in the towel. We're nine games in.

And seriously, if the calls are so bad that you get a guy like Thome that riled up.... :?:
People will just get nervous when the back end of the rotation starts losing and the run support isn't coming in bunches. That's a reasonable fear, considering the back end of the rotation is our biggest worry.

Time to get hot and rocket past .500.

PeoriaSoxFan
04-12-2008, 10:30 AM
I have to agree. Four days ago, people were about ready to put us in the World Series (yes, I realize I'm exaggerating for effect) and today we sound ready to throw in the towel. We're nine games in.

And seriously, if the calls are so bad that you get a guy like Thome that riled up.... :?:


Today's pitching matchup isn't a good one, to say the least, but if we win today, we are playing .600 baseball through the first 10 games. 2 thru 4 need to get going in this lineup, esp. Konerko. He is way overdue, in my opinion, given his very mediorcre year last year. I also would like to see Ramirez or Ozuna spell Uribe at 2nd. I was praising Juan's defense last week, but his bats, as of late, are outright pathetic. Again, I still think there is room for optimism overall.

TomBradley72
04-12-2008, 10:36 AM
Cabrera, Konerko, Uribe and Thome are contributing NOTHING + Hall in the line up...pretty much 5 automatic outs in the line up last night. Plus, even though we have an improved OBP and "intensity" with Swisher, etc. on the roster...this is a 2004 type team when it comes to speed or manufacturing runs. We have zero ability to "manufacture" runs on this team when we're having an off night and it's even rare for us to be able to score from 2nd on a single or 1st on a double because of our lack of speed. This will lead to alot of inconsistency in run production.

As far as Toby Hall goes. It's bad enough that he's still seems to be recovering from a relatively minor injury that happened over a year ago, but is that an excuse for being in about the same physical shape as Mike Lavalliere? Fat, weak armed, and slow is no way to go through life as major league catcher (with apologies to "Animal House").

hawkjt
04-12-2008, 10:38 AM
It just seems like our old guys do not play well in frigid weather..last years start was so snowy...I thought it contributed to getting them off kilter.
Same the last couple of day. Continue to wish that the sox could play in a warm weather city or a dome before mid-may. A's coming to chicago in early april? makes total sense right? end of rant.

PK,Big Jim and Juan have to pick it up..Orlando also.

lets get to zoolander again today..please.

Dan Mega
04-12-2008, 10:43 AM
Today's pitching matchup isn't a good one, to say the least, but if we win today, we are playing .600 baseball through the first 10 games. 2 thru 4 need to get going in this lineup, esp. Konerko. He is way overdue, in my opinion, given his very mediorcre year last year. I also would like to see Ramirez or Ozuna spell Uribe at 2nd. I was praising Juan's defense last week, but his bats, as of late, are outright pathetic. Again, I still think there is room for optimism overall.

Agreed...

I thought Uribe was bad before but he's hit a new low.

oeo
04-12-2008, 10:56 AM
Today's pitching matchup isn't a good one, to say the least, but if we win today, we are playing .600 baseball through the first 10 games. 2 thru 4 need to get going in this lineup, esp. Konerko. He is way overdue, in my opinion, given his very mediorcre year last year. I also would like to see Ramirez or Ozuna spell Uribe at 2nd. I was praising Juan's defense last week, but his bats, as of late, are outright pathetic. Again, I still think there is room for optimism overall.

Considering how Floyd pitches against the Tigers, and how we have Verlander's number...I like the match-up.

The things that piss me off the most, are seeing repeats from last year. Mostly, the middle of the lineup not doing jack, and the bullpen not coming in and throwing strikes (or holding runners...nice work last night, Dotel).

santo=dorf
04-12-2008, 11:22 AM
I don't disagree that he has been a major disappointment - but he isn't anywhere near our top 10 problem list.
I have a hard time believing you can find 1 problem with team, let alone 10.

Noneck
04-12-2008, 11:23 AM
We have zero ability to "manufacture" runs on this team when we're having an off night and it's even rare for us to be able to score from 2nd on a single or 1st on a double because of our lack of speed. This will lead to alot of inconsistency in run production.




This is the type of team the Sox are now and we will have to live with it unless some major tweaking of the lineup and restructuring of the team happens down the road. This teams offense is one that can't win consistently and with their shaky 3-5 starters, things don't look that bright.