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Fenway
04-01-2008, 07:22 PM
and the White Sox are #5

N.Y. Yankees -- $209,081,579
Detroit -- 138,685,197
New York Mets -- 138,293,378
Boston -- 133,440,037
Chicago White Sox -- 121,152,667

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/04/sox_drop_to_4th.html

chisoxmike
04-01-2008, 07:25 PM
The fact that the Sox are on there is quite amazing. Just four years ago, Sox fans wanted the Sox payroll to reach the 100+ million mark. Now that it is, we're a ****ty team.

Fenway
04-01-2008, 07:26 PM
The fact that the Sox are on there is quite amazing. Just four years ago, Sox fans wanted the Sox payroll to reach the 100+ million mark. Now that it is, we're a ****ty team.

Cleveland is #16 :scratch:

chisoxmike
04-01-2008, 07:28 PM
I guess because they have a lot of young guys that haven't reached the point we they're going to bank. C.C. is one of them. I could be wrong, I don't know who gets paid what on that team.

Fenway
04-01-2008, 07:29 PM
A-Rod the big fish, earns more than all of Marlins team (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3324199)

chisoxmike
04-01-2008, 07:31 PM
:KW
"See Sox fans, told you so."

The Immigrant
04-01-2008, 07:37 PM
The White Sox payroll is just north of $108 million (without counting the approximately $9 million we get from other clubs for Thome and Cabrera).

Elephant
04-01-2008, 08:04 PM
Remember when the Yankees "bought" championships as the only team with a 100 million dollar payroll? Now there are 10 others, and they've doubled it. Hell, remember when we won the 2000 ALC with something like 30 million?

It's good to see supposed small market teams like Toronto and Milwaukee--and us--pay up and make the investment in order to gain revenue and fanbase, instead of bitching about small markets like they all did in the 90s.

TommyJohn
04-01-2008, 08:06 PM
The fact that the Sox are on there is quite amazing. Just four years ago, Sox fans wanted the Sox payroll to reach the 100+ million mark. Now that it is, we're a ****ty team.

There's an old saying about that...."be careful what you wish for..."

Lip Man 1
04-01-2008, 09:55 PM
Immigrant:

I'm wondering about that too...sounds a tad high to me. I think the Chicago newspaper stories were talking around the 109 mark or so.

I've passed that link along to some of the Chicago media and asked if they'd check into it.

Lip

MisterB
04-01-2008, 11:38 PM
By my tabulations, the Sox stand at roughly $112.78M, not counting portions of salaries paid by other teams ($5.5M from PHI for Thome, $1M from the Angels for Cabrera).

Lineup: $59.025M

C Pierzynski 5.85
1B Konerko 12
2B Uribe 4.5
SS Cabrera 9
3B Crede 5.1
LF Swisher 3.5
CF Ramirez 1.075
RF Dye 9.5
DH Thome 8.5

Bench: $3.58M

C Hall 1.75
UI Ozuna 1.05
OF Quentin .39
OF Anderson .39

Rotation: $36.28M

SP Buehrle 14
SP Vazquez 11.5
SP Contreras 10
SP Danks .39
SP Floyd* .39

Bullpen: $13.155M

CL Jenks .55
SU Thornton .875
SU MacDougal 1.95
MR Dotel 5
MR Logan .39
MR Linebrink 4
LR Masset .39

DL: $0.78M
Richar .39
Owens .39

ML TOTAL: $112.78M

Frontman
04-01-2008, 11:48 PM
:KW
"See Sox fans, told you so."

Thanks Kenny. Does this mean we can get free hotdogs and churros to compensate us for the team being sub-par for the moolah spent?

kaufsox
04-02-2008, 12:06 AM
you mean the Sox outspent the Cubs? how can this be? The Sox are the cheap team with the cheap owner, if I'm to believe the Chicago media.

WhiteSox5187
04-02-2008, 12:11 AM
you mean the Sox outspent the Cubs? how can this be? The Sox are the cheap team with the cheap owner, if I'm to believe the Chicago media.
Ahh! My eyes! My eyes!!!


Also a lot of the Cubs contracts are backloaded, which they'll be handcuffed by in a couple of years under a new owner.

FedEx227
04-02-2008, 12:43 AM
Ahh! My eyes! My eyes!!!


Also a lot of the Cubs contracts are backloaded, which they'll be handcuffed by in a couple of years under a new owner.

Yeah, the Cubs will not be leaving the top 5 in payroll anytime over the next 5-6 years, they have Soriano/Marquis/Lilly/Zambrano's deals heavily back loaded.

Optipessimism
04-02-2008, 12:46 AM
I would like a slightly lower payroll. Cut about $11 million or so in Crede, Uribe, and Hall and we'll be a better team IMO.

SoxFan64
04-02-2008, 01:54 AM
Also a lot of the Cubs contracts are backloaded, which they'll be handcuffed by in a couple of years under a new owner.

At CBS Sportsline (http://sportsline.com/mlb/story/10753648), they have figures for the Cubs that look as though they are not counting any signing bonuses. They have the following listings:

10 (tie) Carlos Zambrano, Cubs 16,000,000;
21, Aramis Ramirez, Cubs 15,250,000;
30 (tied with Buerhle) Alfonso Soriano, Cubs 14,000,000;
38, Derrek Lee, Cubs 13,250,000;
109 (tie) Ted Lilly, Cubs 8,000,000;
129, Ryan Dempster, Cubs 7,333,333;
131 (tie), Kosuke Fukudome, Cubs 7,000,000.

Case in point is Fukudome. IIRC he was signed for a 4 year $48m contract. Now it could have been backloaded but means that will have to average $13.67m for the rest of the contract. Even that seems generous.

I got a feeling that they are not counting any signing bonuses as part of the reported number. Which would lead me to believe that someone needs to take this salary information with a grain of salt until someone is able to account for all of the differences in the contracts.

ksimpson14
04-02-2008, 04:44 AM
The fact that the Sox are on there is quite amazing. Just four years ago, Sox fans wanted the Sox payroll to reach the 100+ million mark. Now that it is, we're a ****ty team.

Knowing the situation, I would guess KW is safe, but when you look at this, and see a team with that payroll with so many questions (only likely to contend if a lot goes right and they surprise people), you'd have to think it's a 'do or die' type of year for a GM.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I was happy about the championship, but 3 years have passed, we're one of 11 $100+ teams, made a lot of changes, leading to a lot of question marks (and definitely not a favorite to win the division or make the playoffs), and we have one of the worst farm systems in the league. This equation doesn't add up

moochpuppy
04-02-2008, 07:19 AM
From the article,


Figures were obtained by The Associated Press from management and player sources and include salaries and pro-rated shares of signing bonuses. In some cases, parts of salaries deferred without interest are discounted to reflect present-day values.

moochpuppy
04-02-2008, 07:23 AM
I'm not trying to be an ass, I was happy about the championship, but 3 years have passed,

Technically it is only 2 in baseball years. :smile:

Lip Man 1
04-02-2008, 11:49 AM
Mark Gonzales of the Tribune and the Sox beat writer was kind enough to get back to me on this one, here is what he e-mailed to me, just for your information:
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Mark,

No, it's not (Lip's note: The figures from the site that Fenway posted i.e. the Sox at 121 million). Those payrolls take in the annual average value of each contract and report that as the annual figure. for instance, the salaries of Thornton and MacDougal are probably higher because they're backloaded. A.J.'s contract is similar and his base for 2008 increased by about $350,000 because he met escalator clauses for games played.

I just looked at the USA Today list, and the 2008 listed salaries for Thome and Ramirez are higher than they actually will make this year.

Mark

Fenway
04-02-2008, 11:55 AM
Mark Gonzales of the Tribune and the Sox beat writer was kind enough to get back to me on this one, here is what he e-mailed to me, just for your information:
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Mark,

No, it's not (Lip's note: The figures from the site that Fenway posted i.e. the Sox at 121 million). Those payrolls take in the annual average value of each contract and report that as the annual figure. for instance, the salaries of Thornton and MacDougal are probably higher because they're backloaded. A.J.'s contract is similar and his base for 2008 increased by about $350,000 because he met escalator clauses for games played.

I just looked at the USA Today list, and the 2008 listed salaries for Thome and Ramirez are higher than they actually will make this year.

Mark

I think the list shows that 29 teams have a budget of some kind. The Yankees just don't care what they spend.

DSpivack
04-02-2008, 08:59 PM
I think the list shows that 29 teams have a budget of some kind. The Yankees just don't care what they spend.

And to think their revenue should go up a lot once they move in next season. :o:

WizardsofOzzie
04-03-2008, 08:14 AM
I think the Tigers will end up being a version of the 2006 Sox. They added a big bat in Cabrera just as we did with Thome and both teams were World Series favorites in many circles but in the end, they won't make it

Frontman
04-03-2008, 08:17 AM
I think the Tigers will end up being a version of the 2006 Sox. They added a big bat in Cabrera just as we did with Thome and both teams were World Series favorites in many circles but in the end, they won't make it

The Sox need to take 2 out of 3 from them this weekend for it to matter. I don't want to see them get back into the hunt by beating the Sox.

WizardsofOzzie
04-03-2008, 04:31 PM
The Sox need to take 2 out of 3 from them this weekend for it to matter. I don't want to see them get back into the hunt by beating the Sox.
Absolutely :thumbsup: