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Thome25
03-31-2008, 10:25 AM
I'm probably going to get blasted an/or banned for this thread but, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Bear with me because I'm on the outside looking in and I could be wrong here but, I did spend 25 years of my life as a Chicagoan.

Looking at media reports on paper, on the internet, and on television coming from both the Chicago area and national media outlets, I have made an observation:

Chicago as a whole cares more about (and gives more coverage to.) the Cubs 100-year drought than the White Sox ending their own 88-year drought and becoming the first Chicago baseball team to win a WS in anyone's lifetime.

Bottom line: The Cubs losing streak is more important than the White Sox winning it all. It's almost as if the White Sox never won the WS at all.

That has brought me to the title of this thread: The City Of Chicago Doesn't deserve the White Sox.

That title DOES NOT include the DIE HARD fans who are members of this site, who are season ticket holders, those who go to as many games as they can, and the Sox fans who live both inside the city and also have been transplanted elsewhere (like myself.)

We are the sane/smart ones who know there's a REAL team in town and actually root for said team.

The media in Chicago and the national media are both a sorry, pathetic joke.

The White Sox should move to Portland, Memphis, Las Vegas, or anywhere else they could get the love and respect of AN ENTIRE CITY.......because they deserve it.

They don't deserve to be treated as second-rate in their own city especially not after they won the freakin' World Series!!

They especially don't deserve to be treated as number 2 to a team that hasn't won jack in the last 100 years.

END RANT....Is there anyone out there who can talk me out of this opinion I have?

soxfan13
03-31-2008, 10:30 AM
yawn!!!!!!!!

chisox77
03-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Strong statements, but at times I have privately felt that way.

But for my own selfish reasons, the White Sox will always belong to Chicago.


:cool:

skottyj242
03-31-2008, 10:38 AM
I see where you're coming from and I almost got sick reading the newspaper this morning. The Sun-Times has like three articles of a 20 page spread dedicated to the Good Guys. At least the Tribune Junior has a big picture of Swisher on the cover.

Thome25
03-31-2008, 10:49 AM
I see where you're coming from and I almost got sick reading the newspaper this morning. The Sun-Times has like three articles of a 20 page spread dedicated to the Good Guys. At least the Tribune Junior has a big picture of Swisher on the cover.

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. It's like the Sox don't exist in Chicago and the 2005 WS never happened.

I'm tired of the Sox and their WS victory being treated like a "small blip on the radar" in the city.

turners56
03-31-2008, 10:51 AM
I'd feel worse if we were moved to crappy cities such as Portland (doesn't that just convey our stereotypical image of being loved my ghetto gangstas? It is the home of the Portland Jailblazers...) or even Las Vegas. It doesn't really matter, they can care as little for us as possible, I can care less what the national media or even the Chicago media thinks about us because the Sox are still a major league team playing in the 3rd largest city in the United States. Granted we only own about 1/3 of the city's population as part of the "White Sox Nation", but that's still an adequate number, considering Chicago houses over 3 million people (not counting the suburbs). Move the Sox to a city with one million people, the attendance isn't going to do better, media isn't going to care as much after a couple of years, and of course the amount of money the team will get is going to suffer. Remember, this city used to be a White Sox town, I don't see a reason as to why it can't be again. After all, the Cubs' ride has to end sooner or later, after the entire city finally figures out that they can't win and haven't won in 100 years. Plus, those people who don't seem to care about 2005 are just hatin' or they're simply the stereotypical Cubs fan, somebody who doesn't know squat about baseball, yet is crying over their 100 year World Series futility, AKA bandwangoner from Iowa. The Cubs have very few true fans, put it however you want, even though the White Sox got a lot of bandwangoners from 05, 60% of the "Cubs Nation" are left overs from 1998 and 2003. So are we really going to care about the comments ignorant people make? I think not. The only reason why the Chicago media tries to belittle the White Sox is because the city's population is 60% Cubs fans, they can't stick it to the lovable losers or it might be because a certain paper is owned by the company who owns the Cubs. Whatever it may be, the Sox should stay, moving is a huge mistake (like Reinsdorf didn't screw the team up once already...), moving to another city is only going to make the franchise look worse (What are we? The Nationals?)

UofCSoxFan
03-31-2008, 10:56 AM
Seriously who cares. Get over it. The Sox never will be the media darlings compared to the Cubs but they still get a fair amount of coverage when they are good. This is a 90 loss team from last year. The Sox still have a ton of fan support here and I am just sick of the whole Cubsession many people on here have. Just enjoy our team and stop putting everything in the context of how the Cubs are treated.

I mean seriously. Would you rather have more media attention for a 100 years of inepitude or for winning a World Series? Not that it is even true that the Cubs are getting more press for that. Give me a break.

eriqjaffe
03-31-2008, 10:59 AM
The White Sox don't deserve threads like this, that's for sure.

jdm2662
03-31-2008, 11:00 AM
Seriously who cares. Get over it. The Sox never will be the media darlings compared to the Cubs but they still get a fair amount of coverage when they are good. This is a 90 loss team from last year. The Sox still have a ton of fan support here and I am just sick of the whole Cubsession many people on here have. Just enjoy our team and stop putting everything in the context of how the Cubs are treated.

I mean seriously. Would you rather have more media attention for a 100 years of inepitude or for winning a World Series? Not that it is even true that the Cubs are getting more press for that. Give me a break.

Pretty much my attitude. If people don't like what you see on TV, change the channel. It's that simple. I don't read either newspaper in area and I rarley get much news outside of yahoo and here. The media is a joke all around, not just sports. I have better things to do than worry about how much love the Cubs get.

WhiteSox5187
03-31-2008, 11:07 AM
Meh, **** 'em. The Cubs are always the flavor of the week, but at the end of the day the Sox wind up doing most of the winning in this town. If the Cubs tank and the Sox make the playoffs all of a sudden this will be a "Sox town" again.

roylestillman
03-31-2008, 11:13 AM
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I mean seriously. Would you rather have more media attention for a 100 years of inepitude or for winning a World Series? Not that it is even true that the Cubs are getting more press for that. Give me a break.

Exactly, if I were a Cub fan I'd be a little ticked over the pages and pages of ink devoted to failure. 2005 proved to me that the Sox will get their due when they deserve it. As for today keep in mind that.

1. The Cubs are opening at home, thus all the morning news crews are falling over each other in the rain out at Wrigley. Since the Sox open second, coverage will be less next week.

2. The Cubs won that pathetic NL East last year, sending Cubdom into a frenzy. The media feeds off of that

3. Sox fans are turn out to watch good baseball and don't when it isn't. Is that bad? No, except that we will begin to gett attendance stories by the second week of April...

Don't worry about it or obsess over it.

viagracat
03-31-2008, 11:16 AM
Let's face it, it's the 100-year anniversary of their last championship, and the ridiculousness of this very fact will make them the baseball story in Chicago this year. And with most prognosticators picking them to at least make the playoffs this year; well, there you have it. You picked the wrong time to rant over this.

If the Sox surprise everyone and make a run for a championship, they'll get their props. If they don't, they won't. Big deal.

I'm way past the point of caring what the media thinks of the Sox. All I care about is how well the team does.

areilly
03-31-2008, 11:18 AM
Blame Veeck; hell, in his book the old man pointed the finger squarely at himself.

Anyway, I'm not going to justify the Trib's deplorable self-promotion or the Sun-Times' reckless year-to-year bandwagon-jumping, but to say the Sox are entirely blameless in where they stand is just as bad.

As to the specifics of this season, you have to look at it like a salesman and not like a fan:
- the famous, well-loved team is entering an unprecedented milestone of not quite getting to the top
- the famous, well-loved team is in a position to be a contender this year
- the less-famous, less-loved team is coming off a 90-loss season
- the less-famous, less-loved team had a rough offseason and has all the trappings of a third-place team

Now pretend you have to sell ad space. Which story do you give more inches to?

I_Liked_Manuel
03-31-2008, 11:20 AM
i know it's a tough realization for a lot of people on here to make, but there are more cub "fans" - and therefore they will get more press, because they will sell more papers and get higher ratings because of it. it's just the nature of it. it doesn't make any of us lessor sox fans to come to this realization. do we know more about baseball? probably, but does the media coverage really make a difference?

on a side note - it's 2008, not 2006. it's time to stop using the "we won a world series" argument with everything. we lost 90 games last year, and we're a buehrle/vazquez injury away from losing 100 this year.

soxfan123
03-31-2008, 11:42 AM
The media is not a joke. Yes, the ideal point of the media is to report what is the most relevant story each day without a sense of bias. However, everyone knows that that is not even close to being true, no matter what the source is. It gets even worse when it comes to reports on politics and non-sports-related matters. The media will report what will attract their consumers the most, not what should fairly be reported. Sometimes those two forms of reporting end up reporting the same thing, like when the White Sox won the world series. A World Series championship warrants a great deal of reporting, even if that team got the worst World Series TV ratings in history. However, over the long run, the stories reported are based on what will attract more readers and that alone. So, my point of view is that the media is essentially a tool that should be used simply for entertainment, not a tool that accurately evaluates the importance of events (i.e. - weighing the importance of the end of the White Sox drought and the epically long World Series drought of the Cubs). The significance of each event is decided by the fans and the people who don't have an economic incentive. Is it unfortunate? Of course it is. Over the long run, what the media does affects revenues of the teams, and thus the payroll is affected. However, this will NEVER change, because the media is why baseball or any sport is as popular as it is in the first place. So, get over it, we all know it sucks to read the paper sometimes, but their reports are irrelevant when speaking about the significance of an event.

doublem23
03-31-2008, 11:59 AM
The 3rd largest media market in the country doesn't deserve 2 teams?

Right. :rolleyes:

Rather than rob the American League of one of it's charter members, why not move another franchise that is actually struggling, or expand the American League to 16 teams.

rdwj
03-31-2008, 12:03 PM
I have a good friend that is a REAL Cub fan. He HATES what has become of his team. He hates the lovable loser thing, he hates the popular crowd, he hates not being about to go to games without it costing an arm and a leg. He wants his baseball team back - not all the other crap that is now part of the "Cub experience".

I love my team - always have, always will. It doesn't matter if we're not media darlings. I actually like it better that way.

LoveYourSuit
03-31-2008, 12:04 PM
It's like the same song over and over.


WHO CARES!


We win we get tons of coverage, go back to 2005.


I'm more dissapointed at some of us Sox fans always crying about this "lack of coverage" crap more than the lack of coverage itself.

PatK
03-31-2008, 12:06 PM
2. The Cubs won that pathetic NL East last year, sending Cubdom into a frenzy. The media feeds off of that



The Cubs play in the Central.

Then again, I'm sure plenty of fans don't know what division they are in either.

Craig Grebeck
03-31-2008, 12:13 PM
Get a life.

LITTLE NELL
03-31-2008, 12:20 PM
There are over 9 million people in the Chicago Metropolitan area. In a recent survey the Cubs were ahead of the Sox by 60% to 40%, that still leaves the Sox with a fan base of 3.6 million people. That puts the Sox with a larger fan base than places like Cleveland, Seattle, Milwaukee, KC, Twin Cities, Pittsburgh, Denver and St. Louis and San Diego. Chicago is a great town and deserves 2 MLB teams, its just too bad that the media does not give us a fair shake.

doublem23
03-31-2008, 12:27 PM
Perhaps the OP should also remember that last year, the Cubs won their division after an entertaining divisional race and made it to the post-season, plus made a big splash in the free agent market. The Sox, meanwhile, had an incredibly disappointing season, failed to land a their top free agent targets, and are opening the season on the road, as opposed to the Cubs who will be at home.

Let them have their moment in the sun. Nothing cures the blues like winning.

Go Sox!

Bucky F. Dent
03-31-2008, 12:37 PM
One team has a pretty stadium, the other team wins baseball games in their stadium. I prefer wins to pretty. If the rest of the city can't see that, it's their loss.:D:

areilly
03-31-2008, 12:41 PM
There are over 9 million people in the Chicago Metropolitan area. In a recent survey the Cubs were ahead of the Sox by 60% to 40%, that still leaves the Sox with a fan base of 3.6 million people. That puts the Sox with a larger fan base than places like Cleveland, Seattle, Milwaukee, KC, Twin Cities, Pittsburgh, Denver and St. Louis and San Diego. Chicago is a great town and deserves 2 MLB teams, its just too bad that the media does not give us a fair shake.

That's assuming all 9 million of those people like baseball (and specifically like a Chicago baseball team), which we all know isn't the case.

The 60-40 sounds about right, but the realistic pool might be closer to 6-6.5 million.

Viva Medias B's
03-31-2008, 12:43 PM
It would be nice to be "Chicago's team," but I want to win World Series championships.

Fenway
03-31-2008, 12:44 PM
The White Sox get more love in Chicago than the Mets do in NY

Cuck the Fubs
03-31-2008, 12:49 PM
I see where you're coming from and I almost got sick reading the newspaper this morning. The Sun-Times has like three articles of a 20 page spread dedicated to the Good Guys. At least the Tribune Junior has a big picture of Swisher on the cover.

I was honestly enraged this morning reading the Sun Times :angry:

And I agree 100% with Thome25, we won the whole damn thing 3 years ago.............yet it's treated like it's never even happened?!?!?:scratch:

How in the hell does sucking for a century overrule that?!?!?!?:angry:

Lip Man 1
03-31-2008, 01:02 PM
It does when it's marketed properly and you give props to Tribune Company and John McDonough (who grew up a Sox fan) for that.

Plus you must hold the Sox accountable for when the Cubs were beginning to pull this off, simply said "we're not in competition with the Cubs..." and looked the other way.

Something I honestly never understood.

Lip

soxfan21
03-31-2008, 01:04 PM
I have a good friend that is a REAL Cub fan. He HATES what has become of his team. He hates the lovable loser thing, he hates the popular crowd, he hates not being about to go to games without it costing an arm and a leg. He wants his baseball team back - not all the other crap that is now part of the "Cub experience".

I love my team - always have, always will. It doesn't matter if we're not media darlings. I actually like it better that way.


I have a cub fan that is exactly like that and I pray to God that the Sox never end up like this. I love and have loved this team exactly the way that it was and is.

Iwritecode
03-31-2008, 01:05 PM
I was honestly enraged this morning reading the Sun Times :angry:

And I agree 100% with Thome25, we won the whole damn thing 3 years ago.............yet it's treated like it's never even happened?!?!?:scratch:

How in the hell does sucking for a century overrule that?!?!?!?:angry:

Because it's actually more difficult to lose for 100 years than it is to win a World Series?

How many teams have won a World Series?

A lot.

How many teams have gone 100+ years between Championships?

1

Iwritecode
03-31-2008, 01:06 PM
Perhaps the OP should also remember that last year, the Cubs won their division after an entertaining divisional race and made it to the post-season, plus made a big splash in the free agent market. The Sox, meanwhile, had an incredibly disappointing season, failed to land a their top free agent targets, and are opening the season on the road, as opposed to the Cubs who will be at home.

Let them have their moment in the sun. Nothing cures the blues like winning.

Go Sox!

What the hell is OP?

steely712
03-31-2008, 01:23 PM
:gulp:I agree with this statement to an extent, but I still think that the cubs would get more love than the sox even if they were not loveable losers. If the cubs won the World Series 30 years ago, and the sox won 5 in that time, the endless love of people with the "cubbies" would still be the same. I am not worried about being the favorite, because they are my favorite and that is all that matters. Suck it cubs!

UofCSoxFan
03-31-2008, 01:26 PM
What the hell is OP?

I would venture to guess "Original Poster."

Thome25
03-31-2008, 01:27 PM
The Cubs getting more love for losing (from Chicagoans and Chicago media) rather than the Sox getting the love for being a winning team in Chicago (sounds like an oxymoron doesn't it?) is the equavelent of:

LA giving more love to the Clippers for losing rather than perennial winner LA Lakers.

Texas giving more love to the Houston Texans rather than the perennial winner Dallas Cowboys.

NY giving more love to the Mets rather than the Yankees.

kninchicago
03-31-2008, 01:29 PM
What the hell is OP?

Original poster (thread starter)

doublem23
03-31-2008, 01:32 PM
The Cubs getting more love for losing (from Chicagoans and Chicago media) rather than the Sox getting the love for being a winning team in Chicago (sounds like an oxymoron doesn't it?) is the equavelent of:

LA giving more love to the Clippers for losing rather than perennial winner LA Lakers.

Texas giving more love to the Houston Texans rather than the perennial winner Dallas Cowboys.

NY giving more love to the Mets rather than the Yankees.

I don't really think so, since the Sox are not perrennial winners like the Lakers, Cowboys, or Yankees. Maybe you guys didn't notice, but we had a nice streak of futility before 2005, too.

If the Sox were to rip off 8-9 division titles, a pennant or two, and another World Series title here in the next decade, you better believe by 2018, Chicago will be a "White Sox town."

Winning solves everything. In 2005 and 2006, the Sox were the toast of the town.

Iwritecode
03-31-2008, 01:56 PM
I would venture to guess "Original Poster."

Original poster (thread starter)

That's kinda what I was thinking.

I've heard TC before for "topic creator" but never OP...

Iwritecode
03-31-2008, 01:58 PM
The Cubs getting more love for losing (from Chicagoans and Chicago media) rather than the Sox getting the love for being a winning team in Chicago (sounds like an oxymoron doesn't it?) is the equavelent of:

LA giving more love to the Clippers for losing rather than perennial winner LA Lakers.

Texas giving more love to the Houston Texans rather than the perennial winner Dallas Cowboys.

NY giving more love to the Mets rather than the Yankees.


The Cubs are the only team in the history of sports that have sucessfully managed to market losing as a good thing.

Sad but true.

soxfan13
03-31-2008, 02:08 PM
The Cubs getting more love for losing (from Chicagoans and Chicago media) rather than the Sox getting the love for being a winning team in Chicago (sounds like an oxymoron doesn't it?) is the equavelent of:

LA giving more love to the Clippers for losing rather than perennial winner LA Lakers.

Texas giving more love to the Houston Texans rather than the perennial winner Dallas Cowboys.

NY giving more love to the Mets rather than the Yankees.

You are really stretching things here to fit your rant. You should have quit after the first post.

LoveYourSuit
03-31-2008, 02:09 PM
- Sox lost 90 games last year
- Sox have a bunch of big questions marks this year
- They swung and missed a bunch of big moves this offseason
- Expecation are for 3rd - 4th place
- They are opening away from Chicago, in Cleveland of all markets (Bad).


What kind of coverage are we expecting?

I can't wait to read all those positive articles that were omited from our great news papers for this opener :rolleyes:

And then when all the negative articles are printed, we have a 20 page thread in here bitching about the negative coverage.

No coverage is good coverage for the Sox, let's fly under the radar like '05.

JB98
03-31-2008, 02:23 PM
The cover story in The Sporting News is about losing and how fans deal with losing.

FOUR PAGES of that story are devoted to the Chicago Cubs. I'm glad the Chicago Cubs, not my beloved White Sox, are the team associated with a story about losing.

The Cubs get press because they suck ass. That's fine with me.

ChiSoxLifer
03-31-2008, 02:24 PM
Come on, just because the media tells you Chicago doesn't care about the White Sox you have to believe it? 1.7 million people were at the World Series parade and I'm sure a lot more people would have been there if they were able to make the trip. The Chicago media has always said favorable things about the Cubs because their lap dog fans suck it up. They generally say crappy things about the Sox because that generally pisses us off. Cubs fans are fuzzy happy people and Sox fans are lynch mobs. That's what works for fans of each team. If you read the team blogs on the Sun Times and Tribune, positive blogs regarding the Cubs and negative articles regarding the Sox is what garners to most responses.

Who cares what the media says. Play ball!

Heffalump
03-31-2008, 02:53 PM
I'm probably going to get blasted an/or banned for this thread but, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Bear with me because I'm on the outside looking in and I could be wrong here but, I did spend 25 years of my life as a Chicagoan.

Looking at media reports on paper, on the internet, and on television coming from both the Chicago area and national media outlets, I have made an observation:

Chicago as a whole cares more about (and gives more coverage to.) the Cubs 100-year drought than the White Sox ending their own 88-year drought and becoming the first Chicago baseball team to win a WS in anyone's lifetime.

Bottom line: The Cubs losing streak is more important than the White Sox winning it all. It's almost as if the White Sox never won the WS at all.

That has brought me to the title of this thread: The City Of Chicago Doesn't deserve the White Sox.

That title DOES NOT include the DIE HARD fans who are members of this site, who are season ticket holders, those who go to as many games as they can, and the Sox fans who live both inside the city and also have been transplanted elsewhere (like myself.)

We are the sane/smart ones who know there's a REAL team in town and actually root for said team.

The media in Chicago and the national media are both a sorry, pathetic joke.

The White Sox should move to Portland, Memphis, Las Vegas, or anywhere else they could get the love and respect of AN ENTIRE CITY.......because they deserve it.

They don't deserve to be treated as second-rate in their own city especially not after they won the freakin' World Series!!

They especially don't deserve to be treated as number 2 to a team that hasn't won jack in the last 100 years.

END RANT....Is there anyone out there who can talk me out of this opinion I have?

Same old, same old.......WHO CARES?

Here's what's going to happen: Chicago media will continue to run with the 100 years bs until the Cubs eventually fall out of contention. All the 'wait till next year' crap will then begin.

If the Cubs do someway, somehow find a way to win it all, the City will go nuts and Wrigleyville will most likely be burned down. A positive angle will somehow be put on this by the media.

Meanwhile White Sox fans will complain about the media attention for the losing Cubs. If the cubs win it all, White Sox fans will complain that their WS received less coverage than the Cubs WS.

Just root for your team and thats it. we all know the media is biased, it will never change unless the Sox pull off a few more WS. ONCE AGAIN, all that matters is winning on the South Side. When we complain "the media isn't fair!", we just look like babies. Don't be a baby.

thomas35forever
03-31-2008, 03:05 PM
I was talking about the media with my friend today and he made this comment: if this is a Cubs town, then this is a losing city. It loves to lose, hence the nickname "the Lovable Losers," which belongs to the Cubs. Yes, the Cubs will likely win the division this year. In an openly competitive NL, a pennant is possible. No way in Hell this team wins the World Series. If I were new to the city and coming from an area without MLB, I would go with the team that has won more in its recent past. Hence, the White Sox would be my choice. Sadly, fans of the North Siders somehow convince those people losing is lovable and tradition is more important than how your team performs on the field. Whether the Cubs win 0 or 90 games this year, fans are still going to fill 100% of the seats everyday, which will make the Tribune happy as lonng as they're making money. As much as I hate to say it, if the Sox were to pack up and leave, the media would pay tribute to the team for a few days and then move on as if they never played here. Let's face it, the second team in town winning it all didn't convince them that they needed to pay a hell of a lot more attention to that team.

Okay, done ranting.

harwar
04-01-2008, 06:17 AM
I have a good friend that is a REAL Cub fan. He HATES what has become of his team. He hates the lovable loser thing, he hates the popular crowd, he hates not being about to go to games without it costing an arm and a leg. He wants his baseball team back - not all the other crap that is now part of the "Cub experience".


I love my team - always have, always will. It doesn't matter if we're not media darlings. I actually like it better that way.

Yea,same here.I have multiple friends that have been cub fans since they early 60's and the hate what has happened.
Only the circus that is the boston red sox is worse.

White Sox fans should be proud that they can hold their heads up and be counted as among teams that have achieved the top of their profession in recent years.
We are an elite club that likes to argue with each other but we circle the wagons and stand against all comers when the situation calls for it.
Being a Chicago White Sox fan is where most of my good memories are stored and i wouldn't change a thing.

TomBradley72
04-01-2008, 11:29 AM
The White Sox should move to Portland, Memphis, Las Vegas, or anywhere else they could get the love and respect of AN ENTIRE CITY.......because they deserve it.




40% of love from a city like Chicago > 100% of love from Portland, Memphis, etc.

Lots of history behind the state of both team's popularity, the Cubs were the 1st team in the city, they negotiated a rule that required the American League franchise no farther north than 35th St., it's no secret that the "north side" of Chicago has had a disproportionate percentage of the wealthy and powerful. The White Sox have many self inflicted wounds that have hurt them over the past 30 years: moving the team to UHF in the late 60's, they had a very mediocre radio outlet in the early 70's, moving to ON-TV in the early 80's, letting Harry Caray go, threatening to leave the city, building a sterile/mediocre ballpark (it's not anymore...but it was), having an owner be the "hawk" in the worst strike ever (1994), the "White Flag" trade when they were 3.5 games out in late July (1997)....all of that stuff really hurt them while the Cubbies were hiring Harry Caray, WGN was becoming a national TV station, and the Tribune became a daily advertisement for all things wonderful in Cubbie land.

It used to bother me....but why do I care which team is more popular? I love my team and thank God they are here. If they weren't...my only options would be the Cubs, the Brewers or following an out of town team. I love the team, the ballpark, the fans, our history (all of it), and our place in the culture and history of Chicago and major league baseball overall.

RedHeadPaleHoser
04-01-2008, 11:32 AM
It used to bother me....but why do I care which team is more popular? I love my team and thank God they are here. If they weren't...my only options would be the Brewers or following an out of town team. I love the team, the ballpark, the fans, our history (all of it), and our place in the culture and history of Chicago and major league baseball overall.

I fixed it for you. I agree except for one thing -

I would never root for the Cubs. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.

I'd buy MLB Extra Innings to watch Cardinal or Brewer games 1st. Never ever the Cubs.

TomBradley72
04-01-2008, 11:42 AM
I fixed it for you. I agree except for one thing -

I would never root for the Cubs. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.

I'd buy MLB Extra Innings to watch Cardinal or Brewer games 1st. Never ever the Cubs.

I agree. That's why I am so grateful for this team.

twentywontowin
04-01-2008, 11:47 AM
It's a fact...the Cubs are a more popular team. Deal with it, and let's focus on winning it all again.

chisoxmike
04-01-2008, 11:55 AM
The White Sox should move to Portland, Memphis, Las Vegas, or anywhere else they could get the love and respect of AN ENTIRE CITY.......because they deserve it.


Stop.

russ99
04-01-2008, 12:04 PM
As someone who lived through those awful times with the last minute arm twisting by Gov. Thompson to keep the Sox from moving to St. Petersburg, there's no way I want to feel like that again.

Hopefully the Sox are here to stay, forever.

Besides, these things shift. The Sox were kings of the town in the 60s. Once the Tribco doesn't have financial interest in making the Cubs/Wrigley a cash cow full of drunk fratboys/girls and tourists from Iowa, it may shift back.

Especially if the state doesn't buy Wrigley and Sam plays footsie with the new Cub ownership, forcing the Cubs to move to the burbs.

If Wrigley's gone, or even completely modernized - so is much of the Cubs allure. Most people say it won't happen, but I never thought they'd tear down Yankee Stadium either...

Scottiehaswheels
04-01-2008, 12:12 PM
I'd be happy with the Indianapolis White Sox... hehehe:smile:

soxfan13
04-01-2008, 12:20 PM
I'd be happy with the Indianapolis White Sox... hehehe:smile:

Yuck move to Indy and I might have to become a Cubs fan:redneck

adidas773
04-05-2008, 12:18 AM
yawn!!!!!!!!

lol,hehe.

Frontman
04-05-2008, 12:33 AM
I don't care about the coverage.

I care about the results.

And I'd take 1 championship over rooting for a team that hasn't won in 100 years. I can hold 2005 as something special, we can talk about it from time to time; but I also waited 35 years to see 2005. I can enjoy the ride back whenever it comes.

I care oh so little what newspaper writers and TV/Radio folks talk about.

For crying out loud, Mike North ("I'm a Sox fan too!") said today that Jose Conseco is quote "A good guy" for writing his book. That there alone proves that the man's opinion isn't worth listening to!

Hendu
04-05-2008, 01:59 AM
Take a look at my sig...I'm a Sox and Fire fan. Might as well not exist in this town, according to the media. Who gives a **** what they think.

The White Sox should move to Portland, Memphis, Las Vegas, or anywhere else they could get the love and respect of AN ENTIRE CITY.......because they deserve it.

Now that's just silly.

soxpride724
04-06-2008, 04:47 PM
I stayed in a upscale hotel room downtown last weekend, and there was this "Chicago for tourists" book on the coffee table. I thumbed through it for ****s and giggles and there was this whole chapter on the cubs, and why this is a cubs town 99 years misery etc.. Then there was this ONE page on the sox and it showed Comiskey with his 1919 team (threw the series etc). Now mind you, I checked the copyright and stuff, and the book was written last year, no mention of 2005 nutthin!

I guess I've gotten used to the media and the bias, it will always piss me off but I guess I should know better I mean what do you expect it won't change anytime soon.

As long as I have MY team nothing else matters, **** the northside, if they win good for them, if not I don't really care.

Mod edit: we have a language filter use it.

End rant.:D:

MarySwiss
04-06-2008, 04:50 PM
I stayed in a upscale hotel room downtown last weekend, and there was this "Chicago for tourists" book on the coffee table. I thumbed through it for ****s and giggles and there was this whole chapter on the cubs, and why this is a cubs town 99 years misery etc.. Then there was this ONE page on the sox and it showed Comiskey with his 1919 team (threw the series etc). Now mind you, I checked the copyright and stuff, and the book was written last year, no mention of 2005 nutthin!

I guess I've gotten used to the media and the bias, it will always piss me off but I guess I should know better I mean what do you expect it won't change anytime soon.

As long as I have MY team nothing else matters, F##K the northside, if they win good for them, if not I don't really care.

End rant.:D:

I agree with your sentiments, but I would absolutely have bitched about it at check-out, on general principles. :cool:

shes
04-08-2008, 05:38 PM
I'd feel worse if we were moved to crappy cities such as Portland (doesn't that just convey our stereotypical image of being loved my ghetto gangstas? It is the home of the Portland Jailblazers...)

Portland is actually my favorite US city. It's gorgeous, eco- and bike-friendly, has one of the better public transportation systems in the country (MUCH better than Chicago) and is very safe -- some neighborhoods are better than others, but there aren't any slums like most large cities. Not sure where the "ghetto gangsta" connotation comes from. The Portland NBA team has high-character guys like Roy, Oden, and Aldridge now.

But yeah, the Sox will always belong to Chicago.

jdm2662
04-08-2008, 05:57 PM
Portland is actually my favorite US city. It's gorgeous, eco- and bike-friendly, has one of the better public transportation systems in the country (MUCH better than Chicago) and is very safe -- some neighborhoods are better than others, but there aren't any slums like most large cities. Not sure where the "ghetto gangsta" connotation comes from. The Portland NBA team has high-character guys like Roy, Oden, and Aldridge now.

But yeah, the Sox will always belong to Chicago.

You obviously didn't follow the NBA in the late 90s/early 2000s. The Trail Blazers where full of thugs during that time. They didn't call them Jailblazers for nothing....

TheVulture
04-08-2008, 06:32 PM
I'd feel worse if we were moved to crappy cities such as Portland...
This has to be the first time in my life I've heard Portland referred to as a "crappy city."
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r115/subgenius88/PortlandOregon.jpg

Parrothead
04-08-2008, 07:39 PM
40% of love from a city like Chicago > 100% of love from Portland, Memphis, etc.

Are you talking about Portland Maine? The Beavers really don't draw well.

Frontman
04-08-2008, 07:46 PM
Portland is actually my favorite US city. It's gorgeous, eco- and bike-friendly, has one of the better public transportation systems in the country (MUCH better than Chicago) and is very safe -- some neighborhoods are better than others, but there aren't any slums like most large cities. Not sure where the "ghetto gangsta" connotation comes from. The Portland NBA team has high-character guys like Roy, Oden, and Aldridge now.

Every major city has its dark side. Even paradise like Hawai'i have some severely poor (and crime ridden) areas. Honolulu away from Waikiki can get pretty hairy, pretty quick. While I've never personally been in Portland, I wouldn't go so far as to say they have zero slums or poverty areas. Per wikipedia:

"13.1% of the population and 8.5% of families are below the poverty line."

Sounds like they do have some poor folks there.

hi im skot
04-08-2008, 08:24 PM
Portland has plenty of problems. If you think it doesn't, you haven't been there.

And I love Portland.

Frontman
04-08-2008, 08:57 PM
Portland has plenty of problems. If you think it doesn't, you haven't been there.

And I love Portland.

That's why I used the Honolulu example. Its my favorite city outside of Chicago, but even in Paradise there is a dark side.

Big Hurt #35=HOF
04-08-2008, 09:53 PM
I guess I know what you mean; but I will never; and will never let anybody forget 2005. I could care less if I was the only SOX fan in the world; and that should be your attitude as well.

Hell, I still love the 59 SOX, my 83 SOX; #3, Haaaaarrrrroooooold, Haaaaaarrrrrroooold, Haaaaaarrrrrooold!!!

Cub fans are sheep; put that stupid blue hat on anybody, and they claim to love the scrubs and they are the worlds biggest cub fan. Just don't ask them who bats 7th in their line up or any baseball related questions; LOL. Its funny, and its sad at the same time.

Personally; when I hear or see SOX coverage I watch and/ or listen; when the cub crap comes on my radio, TV, news paper, etc it goes off. Maybe I am sending a small message. A lot of teams have bandwagon fans, the SOX are no different. Its just the quality of the fans we have. I never go to a game and cant talk baseball with some great SOX fans!!

If it wasn't for the SOX; this city wouldn't have a REAL baseball team; SO YES this city deserves the White Sox!!!!!

You can do the same thing I do; turn off and ignore the cub crap, and keep talking about the SOX win or loose, keep wearing your SOX stuff, high five other SOX fans anywhere we see each other; and create more SOX fans!!!!! Take you kids, nephews, relatives to SOX games young; you will have a connection for life and another true Chicago baseball fan!!

LOVE this teams hitting approach so far; hope we can keep being competitive!!!! SOX FAN FOR LIFE!!!!!! GO 2008 SOX!!!!!

BeviBall!
04-09-2008, 08:51 AM
To the OP:

:whiner::whiner::whiner::whiner::whiner: