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kba
03-31-2008, 06:48 AM
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Some quotes from Phil Rogers on Javier Vazquez:

August 26, 2007: (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-rogers-onbase26aug26,1,3281543.column)
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January 4, 2008 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080103philrogersnickswisherwhitesox,1,2751928.colu mn): (on Swisher trade):
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March 31, 2008: (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cs-080330-chicago-tribune-baseball-predictions,1,6114500.htmlstory)
Predicts Javier Vazquez will win AL Cy Young Award.


Has Vazquez done something in the past three months to turn himself from a "little impact" guy into the best pitcher in the league? Or does Phil have such a high opinion of Chris Young that he feels the Sox will still regret the "long-term cost" of the trade, even after Javy is holding up his trophy?

WhiteSox5187
03-31-2008, 07:57 AM
In defense of Phil, Javy could very win the Cy Young Award and still have little overall impact on the Sox. If he wins 20 and the Sox lose 90, how much impact did Javy really have then?

JohnTucker0814
03-31-2008, 09:03 AM
In defense of Phil, Javy could very win the Cy Young Award and still have little overall impact on the Sox. If he wins 20 and the Sox lose 90, how much impact did Javy really have then?

If the sox lose 90 nobody is going to win the Cy from our team... so if Roger's predicts a Cy-Young from Javy... then he is predicting us to be the wild card or division champ...

munchman33
03-31-2008, 09:06 AM
The book on Javy is he pitches well when there's no pressure. Since Phil predicts we're going to suck this year, it makes absolute sense.

fquaye149
03-31-2008, 09:09 AM
Who knows what is going through Phil Rogers's mind at any point in time.

It's hard to put ideas together logically when they come from an illogical source :shrug:

Scottiehaswheels
03-31-2008, 09:14 AM
Does brings up an interesting question though... Exactly how many pitchers have won a Cy Young on a losing team?

WhiteSox5187
03-31-2008, 09:23 AM
Does brings up an interesting question though... Exactly how many pitchers have won a Cy Young on a losing team?
Greg Maddux on the Cubs in '92 and didn't Steve Carlton win it in a year where the Phillies lost like one hundred games?

Elephant
03-31-2008, 09:29 AM
The book on Javy is he pitches well when there's no pressure. Since Phil predicts we're going to suck this year, it makes absolute sense.

Agreed.

Realistically though, on a losing team he'd have to be head and shoulders above the other top candidates and he's not that dominant. I don't think he'll ever top last year but I hope I'm wrong.

WhiteSox5187
03-31-2008, 09:39 AM
No AL pitcher has ever won the Cy Young Award on a losing team. But a couple guys have won it in the NL. The last guy to do it was Brandon Webb on an '86 loss team with Arizona in '06.

cws05champ
03-31-2008, 09:42 AM
No AL pitcher has ever won the Cy Young Award on a losing team. But a couple guys have won it in the NL. The last guy to do it was Brandon Webb on an '86 loss team with Arizona in '06.
Which begs the question why he picks Vazquez for the Cy Young and the Sox to finish 3rd in their division?

WhiteSox5187
03-31-2008, 09:49 AM
Which begs the question why he picks Vazquez for the Cy Young and the Sox to finish 3rd in their division?
I guess it's kinda like people pickin' the Cubs, the law of averages says it HAS to happen at some point. Maybe? I don't know. :scratch:

turners56
03-31-2008, 10:11 AM
Lol right...if we're any good this year, I wouldn't expect any kind of a repeat of 07 for Javy.

Lip Man 1
03-31-2008, 10:52 AM
In 1972 Carlton won it for a Phillies club that finished dead last. It may have been the most remarkable pitching performance in history for a season.

That was the year he won (I think) 24 games on a club that won 70 or so. He also had his 19 strikeout game that season too.

Lip

spiffie
03-31-2008, 10:54 AM
In 1972 Carlton won it for a Phillies club that finished dead last. It may have been the most remarkable pitching performance in history for a season.

That was the year he won (I think) 24 games on a club that won 70 or so. He also had his 19 strikeout game that season too.

Lip
He was 27-10 on a team that went 59-103. He threw over 340 innings that year. Insane numbers to think about.

TDog
03-31-2008, 02:34 PM
He was 27-10 on a team that went 59-103. He threw over 340 innings that year. Insane numbers to think about.


He was traded from the Cardinals after leading the NL two years earlier with 19 losses and would follow up his incredible season by going 13-20 in 1973. And, by the way, Steve Carlton was a pretty good pitcher.

What was remarkable about Carlton in 1972 was not only how consistently well he pitched, but how well his last place team played when he was pitching.

The problem with predicting a Cy Young winner is that you don't know if anyone is going to have one of those golden seasons where everything falls into place, like Carlton had in 1972 or Vida Blue had in 1971 or Steve Stone had in 1980.

sox1970
03-31-2008, 02:44 PM
I'll go with Verlander.

asindc
03-31-2008, 04:42 PM
Which begs the question why he picks Vazquez for the Cy Young and the Sox to finish 3rd in their division?

Well, the Sox could finish 3rd and have a winning record, which is what I think will happen.