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LITTLE NELL
03-29-2008, 03:36 PM
My predictions for our starters:
Buerhle------------18 Wins
Vasquez------------18
Contrares----------14
Danks---------------11
Floyd----------------10
Bullpen--------------15
Total-----------------86 Wins

PicktoCLick72
03-29-2008, 03:51 PM
If our starters combine for 71 wins, I will guarantee you we will have more than 86 wins. Twin 18 game winners would be awesome though.

BRDSR
03-29-2008, 03:52 PM
My predictions for our starters:
Buerhle------------18 Wins
Vasquez------------18
Contrares----------14
Danks---------------11
Floyd----------------10
Bullpen--------------15
Total-----------------86 Wins
In my opinion, those are absolute best-case scenarios for Buerhle, Vazquez, and Contreras. I would guess Danks at 11-12, but if Floyd wins 10 or more I'd be flabbergasted...if he's even still in the rotation by the end of July, I'd be flabbergasted.

I don't know how many games the bullpen will win, but I think 86 wins is also a best-case scenario for this team as currently constructed. If they play .500 baseball and the youngsters look good, I'll have to consider it a pretty solid season, all things considered (sadly).

sox1970
03-29-2008, 03:58 PM
To make the playoffs (names spelled right):

94 wins
Bullpen--24
Vazquez--17
Buehrle--17
Contreras--14
Floyd--11
Danks--11

What they'll do:

83 wins
Bullpen--20
Vazquez--16
Buehrle--14
Contreras--12
Floyd--11
Danks--10

LITTLE NELL
03-29-2008, 04:39 PM
To make the playoffs (names spelled right):

94 wins
Bullpen--24
Vazquez--17
Buehrle--17
Contreras--14
Floyd--11
Danks--11

What they'll do:

83 wins
Bullpen--20
Vazquez--16
Buehrle--14
Contreras--12
Floyd--11
Danks--10
Why did we sign Buehrle to a big contract if we are only going to get 14 wins out of him.

sox1970
03-29-2008, 04:50 PM
Why did we sign Buehrle to a big contract if we are only going to get 14 wins out of him.

Ask me again in a month. He's facing Sabathia, Verlander twice, and maybe Wang in the first 4-5 starts.

Brian26
03-29-2008, 04:51 PM
My predictions for our starters:
Buerhle------------18 Wins
Vasquez------------18
Contrares----------14
Danks---------------11
Floyd----------------10
Bullpen--------------15
Total-----------------86 Wins

Should be enough to win the NL Central by 12.0 games.

LITTLE NELL
03-29-2008, 04:57 PM
Ask me again in a month. He's facing Sabathia, Verlander twice, and maybe Wang in the first 4-5 starts.
Mark has to step up and beat those guys, he had a very good ST, lets hope he keeps it going.

Elephant
03-29-2008, 04:58 PM
My predictions for our starters:
Buerhle------------18 Wins
Vasquez------------18
Contrares----------14
Danks---------------11
Floyd----------------10
Bullpen--------------15
Total-----------------86 Wins

I hope so because they are both on my fantasy team, and that is very important and also relevant in these crazy times.

JB98
03-29-2008, 05:43 PM
My predictions for our starters:
Buerhle------------18 Wins
Vasquez------------18
Contrares----------14
Danks---------------11
Floyd----------------10
Bullpen--------------15
Total-----------------86 Wins

I think we'll have more wins from our bullpen than you suggest, but less from our starters.

I also think Floyd will eventually lose his job in the rotation. He sucks, IMO.

My guesses:
Buehrle 16
Vazquez 15
Contreras 12
Danks 10
Floyd/others 8
Bullpen 23

Lip Man 1
03-29-2008, 08:41 PM
Don Cooper recently was quoted as saying that if the top three starters don't combine for at least 45 wins "we're in trouble..."

Take that for whatever it may be worth to you.

Lip

fusillirob1983
03-29-2008, 09:26 PM
Don Cooper recently was quoted as saying that if the top three starters don't combine for at least 45 wins "we're in trouble..."

Take that for whatever it may be worth to you.

Lip

To some this question might sound stupid but I think everyone will at least understand why I'm asking this, but who's the third of the "top three" starters?

jcw218
03-29-2008, 09:41 PM
To some this question might sound stupid but I think everyone will at least understand why I'm asking this, but who's the third of the "top three" starters?

IMHO our top three starters are Mark, Javy, and Jose. Danks is just in his 2nd year and well Floyd is Floyd

JB98
03-29-2008, 10:17 PM
To some this question might sound stupid but I think everyone will at least understand why I'm asking this, but who's the third of the "top three" starters?

I'm pretty certain Coop is referring to the three veterans.

doublem23
03-29-2008, 10:31 PM
Why did we sign Buehrle to a big contract if we are only going to get 14 wins out of him.

Wins aren't a good way to determine a pitcher's individual value.

MCHSoxFan
03-29-2008, 10:52 PM
Wins aren't a good way to determine a pitcher's individual value.

EXACTLY! Dank could have had a better record than his pitching told if the offense was better. For example, in his first start on 4/7/2007, Danks gave up something like 3 runs. I think it was on a homerun, too. Not too bad. However, we were going against Santana. Naturally, we lost because of that. :(:

THAT IS WHY A PITCHERS RECORD DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING!

WhiteSox5187
03-30-2008, 01:23 AM
EXACTLY! Dank could have had a better record than his pitching told if the offense was better. For example, in his first start on 4/7/2007, Danks gave up something like 3 runs. I think it was on a homerun, too. Not too bad. However, we were going against Santana. Naturally, we lost because of that. :(:

THAT IS WHY A PITCHERS RECORD DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING!
I agree 100% but also in today's market a pitcher who averages about 14 wins (regardless of WHIP, ERA, or IP) would get a contract similar to what Buerhle got....throw in WHIP, ERA, and IP and you're looking at a much larger contract.

Now, as for the predictions if Buerhle and Javy both wind up winning 18 games with Jose winning 14, I think we'd have a very good shot of getting the playoffs (unless of course Floyd and Danks completely crap out, which isn't outside the realm of possibility). We'll see but I think the idea of having two 18 game winners in this rotation is a bit unrealistic. When was the last time we had that? Garland won 18 in '05 I know but I don't think anyone else did...did Freddy win 18 in '06? Do you have to go all the way back to '93? Or even '83?

Yep, you have to go back to '93. Black Jack and Alex Fernandez both won 18 (McDowell won 22).

EndemicSox
03-30-2008, 01:26 AM
Mark- 16 to 20
Javy-14 to 20
Jose-10 to 15
Danks-8 to 14
Floyd-5 to 10

I'm assuming a trade is made after one of Jose/Gavin/John craps the bed, but I hope I'm wrong...

santo=dorf
03-30-2008, 01:47 AM
EXACTLY! Dank could have had a better record than his pitching told if the offense was better. For example, in his first start on 4/7/2007, Danks gave up something like 3 runs. I think it was on a homerun, too. Not too bad. However, we were going against Santana. Naturally, we lost because of that. :(:

THAT IS WHY A PITCHERS RECORD DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING!
It goes both ways with Danks. During his three decision winning streak in late June/Early July, 17 innings, 14 ER, 19 H, 6 BB's, 10 K's, 4 HR allowed. He had a strong no decision against the Royals during that streak however.

Frontman
03-30-2008, 09:28 AM
Why did we sign Buehrle to a big contract if we are only going to get 14 wins out of him.

Would you rather of had the rotation being

Vazquez
Contreras
Floyd
Danks
Masset?

Because either way, I feel that had they not re-signed Mark (and that contract wasn't 'big' by any stretch compared to others) I still feel that they would of moved Garland. Something tells me there is more to that story than meets the eye; as we could of still used him for one more season. Sure, we needed improved hitting and we got that with Cabrerra; but I don't get why they moved Jon like they did.

gogosox16
03-30-2008, 10:39 AM
EXACTLY! Dank could have had a better record than his pitching told if the offense was better. For example, in his first start on 4/7/2007, Danks gave up something like 3 runs. I think it was on a homerun, too. Not too bad. However, we were going against Santana. Naturally, we lost because of that. :(:

THAT IS WHY A PITCHERS RECORD DOES NOT MEAN EVERYTHING!
I was at that game, Danks pitched great except for one mistake to Justin Mornue. Danks had a lot of games last year in which if he would of got a little more run support, his record of been drastically different.

sox1970
03-30-2008, 10:42 AM
I was at that game, Danks pitched great except for one mistake to Justin Morneau. Danks had a lot of games last year in the first half which if he would of got a little more run support, his record of been drastically different.

Fixed it.

He was awful in the second half.

gogosox16
03-30-2008, 10:43 AM
Fixed it.

He was awful in the second half.
Yea he was horrendous, but his first half stats could of been so much better.

Jjav829
03-30-2008, 11:56 AM
Yea he was horrendous, but his first half stats could of been so much better.

He posted a 4.62 ERA and a freaking 1.48 WHIP in the first half. Does it really matter what his record was in the first half or the season as a whole? He wasn't very good. This isn't Matt Cain putting up a 3.65 ERA but losing 16 games because the offense behind him absolutely sucks. This is a first year pitcher who struggled and whose record pretty fairly indicated his level of success.

oeo
03-30-2008, 11:59 AM
Mark- 16 to 20
Javy-14 to 20
Jose-10 to 15
Danks-8 to 14
Floyd-5 to 10

Way to go out on a limb on those "predictions."

LITTLE NELL
03-30-2008, 03:27 PM
Would you rather of had the rotation being

Vazquez
Contreras
Floyd
Danks
Masset?

Because either way, I feel that had they not re-signed Mark (and that contract wasn't 'big' by any stretch compared to others) I still feel that they would of moved Garland. Something tells me there is more to that story than meets the eye; as we could of still used him for one more season. Sure, we needed improved hitting and we got that with Cabrerra; but I don't get why they moved Jon like they did.
I think you missed my point, I want my #1 starter and one of the best pitchers in baseball to win more than 14 games. If Mark wins 14 games and leads the staff we wind up in 4th or 5th

Frontman
03-30-2008, 04:35 PM
I think you missed my point, I want my #1 starter and one of the best pitchers in baseball to win more than 14 games. If Mark wins 14 games and leads the staff we wind up in 4th or 5th

Ok, I got you. It wasn't Mark being the ace, it was Mark only winning 14.

Sorry for the confusion.