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Carolina Kenny
03-25-2008, 12:06 PM
Hate is a strong word I don't like using much. There are plenty of Sox players I didn't care very much for but did I "hate" them or just their attributes?

I can think of a few of examples:

Chick Gandil-Black Sox ringleader

Jamie Navarro-starting pitcher-Yuck

Donnie Hill-was Hill the best we could do?

Albert Belle-ass wipe

Nyls Nyman-for disappointing me and making a young child face reality

eriqjaffe
03-25-2008, 12:10 PM
Joe Borchard.

fed ex 4 pasqua
03-25-2008, 12:12 PM
Luis Terrero.

JohnTucker0814
03-25-2008, 12:15 PM
Mark Buehrle

Keith Foulke

CashMan
03-25-2008, 12:17 PM
Juan Uribe


My hate increases daily, when he is with the WhiteSox.

skottyj242
03-25-2008, 12:17 PM
Jose Paniagua

The Milkman
03-25-2008, 12:17 PM
I don't think it gets much worse than Andy Gonzalez...Navarro was a godsend compared to him.

LITTLE NELL
03-25-2008, 12:24 PM
Claudell "Slept Here" Washington. I never booed a Sox player but I came close with him.

Carolina Kenny
03-25-2008, 12:24 PM
I don't think it gets much worse than Andy Gonzalez...Navarro was a godsend compared to him.

Yeah, what did the Sox management see in Gonzalez?

How about Juan (Disgusto) Agosto?

PalehosePlanet
03-25-2008, 12:25 PM
Ron Hassey: A guy I couldn't stand before he was with us and a guy I just kept on hating when we had him for a while back in the '80's.

Carolina Kenny
03-25-2008, 12:26 PM
Claudell "Slept Here" Washington. I never booed a Sox player but I came close with him.

Would Claudell make the starting roster if he was still in his prime today?

chisoxmike
03-25-2008, 12:27 PM
Todd Richie
Royce Clayton
Joe Crede (Pre-September 2005. Still, played all around solid baseball for 5 months in his career then ****ed the team after '06)
Joe Borchard
Dan Wright
Jason Grilli
Jerry Owens

grv1974
03-25-2008, 12:30 PM
Kip Wells

LITTLE NELL
03-25-2008, 12:35 PM
Would Claudell make the starting roster if he was still in his prime today?
Hard to say, he never really had a great year on any club he played with. Cant believe he lasted 17 years in MLB. He was a terrible waste of talent. Never had more than 17 HRs or 80 RBIs in one season. Didnt know what the word hustle meant.

grv1974
03-25-2008, 12:39 PM
Norberto "Paco" Martin

grv1974
03-25-2008, 12:40 PM
Tony Phillips

rdwj
03-25-2008, 12:40 PM
Bob Howry - mostly since leaving
John Kruk
Jamie Navarro

Those are the ones off the top of my head

wilburaga
03-25-2008, 12:42 PM
Steve 'Alpo' Sax.

W

kittle42
03-25-2008, 12:44 PM
Navarro, Sosa (yes, I hated him when he was here, not because of his "greatness" that followed), Ritchie, and whichever of Owens and Anderson that hits .200 that Ozzie keeps trotting out there.

sox1970
03-25-2008, 12:46 PM
Thome on days he's in the lineup versus lefties.

jackbrohamer
03-25-2008, 12:55 PM
Jamie Navarro has to be the most hate-worthy player of recent times. Truly miserable as both a player and human being. Plus he ate up a ton of the team's salary

Same goes for Carlos Castillo, except for the salary part

moochpuppy
03-25-2008, 12:57 PM
Ron Karkovice
George Bell
Cory Snyder
Melido Perez
Daryl Boston
John Kruk
Rob Dibble

.....to name a few.

soxfan21
03-25-2008, 12:57 PM
Belle
Sosa
Terrero

btrain929
03-25-2008, 01:02 PM
Andy Gonzalez
Jon Garland
Brandon McCarthy
Juan Uribe
And just about every backup catcher we've ever had.

Rockabilly
03-25-2008, 01:25 PM
Cansenco
Belle
Navarro
Koch
David Wells

Carolina Kenny
03-25-2008, 01:30 PM
Andy Gonzalez
Jon Garland
Brandon McCarthy
Juan Uribe
And just about every backup catcher we've ever had.

How could anybody hate Wayne Nordhagen?

UofCSoxFan
03-25-2008, 01:40 PM
David Wells, just because he was good before he Sox got him, good after, and just didn't care at all when was here, even though the team was in a pennant race.

Also, I hated Parkman from Major League II.

TheVulture
03-25-2008, 01:43 PM
Ron Karkovice
:angry: How dare you, sir!

/insert half teal/

peelwonder
03-25-2008, 01:53 PM
Tito Landrum

Dick Allen
03-25-2008, 02:03 PM
Another vote for Andy Gonzalez. What he was doing in a major league uniform, I'll never understand.

rdivaldi
03-25-2008, 02:08 PM
Jaime Navarro, I can't imagine ever despising a Sox player more.

TheVulture
03-25-2008, 02:11 PM
Another vote for Andy Gonzalez. What he was doing in a major league uniform, I'll never understand.

Partying with the Woo?:redneck

Rocky Soprano
03-25-2008, 02:30 PM
Mike Jackson
Timo Perez
Paul Konerko

FedEx227
03-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Mike Jackson
Darin Erstad
Andy Gonzalez
Luis Terrero
David Wells
Jon Adkins

SoxNation05
03-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Andy Gonzales made me sick.

salty99
03-25-2008, 02:37 PM
Also can't forget about Jeff Nelson and Mike Myers

thomas35forever
03-25-2008, 02:45 PM
Andy Gonzalez
Billy Koch
Tom Gordon
Damaso Marte (2005 version)
David Wells
Joe Borchard

hi im skot
03-25-2008, 03:06 PM
Anyone that played on the 2005 team.

PicktoCLick72
03-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Josh Fields

Elephant
03-25-2008, 03:37 PM
Mike MacDougal

Carolina Kenny
03-25-2008, 03:43 PM
Not even a single vote for Mike Caruso?

Man Soo Lee
03-25-2008, 03:46 PM
Bryan Ward

peelwonder
03-25-2008, 04:03 PM
Anyone that played on the 2005 team.


No Teal....

twsoxfan5
03-25-2008, 04:07 PM
Always have and always will hate Frank Thomas.

Metalthrasher442
03-25-2008, 04:16 PM
Billy Koch..

doublem23
03-25-2008, 04:38 PM
I can't believe no one has mentioned Wil Cordero, one of the few guys around actually worth "hating."

palehozenychicty
03-25-2008, 04:52 PM
I can't believe no one has mentioned Wil Cordero, one of the few guys around actually worth "hating."

He was so hate-worthy that we just moved on. :smile:

Bob Howry, "The Gascan"

Mike Caruso. What a tease..

I_Liked_Manuel
03-25-2008, 04:59 PM
every time brian daubach came up to bat, i wanted to throw something at the tv.

FedEx227
03-25-2008, 05:04 PM
Always have and always will hate Frank Thomas.

Mind if I ask, why?

twsoxfan5
03-25-2008, 05:31 PM
Mind if I ask, why?

Don't mind at all. As a kid I played shortstop and I always loved Ozzie and I knew that the 2 did not get along. Also he always seemed salty to me and I did not like the way he carried himself.

WhiteSox5187
03-25-2008, 06:07 PM
Don't mind at all. As a kid I played shortstop and I always loved Ozzie and I knew that the 2 did not get along. Also he always seemed salty to me and I did not like the way he carried himself.
Frank certainly did have an attititude problem and there were times that I didn't like him but he was still the best hitter I've ever seen and the way he handled the steroid scandal earned my respect, also he was such a big fan during the 2005 post season, he earned my respect.

Anyways players that I didn't like with the Sox: MOST of the '98 team (Belle, Caruso, Wil Cordero)...I never liked Karko (but that was only as a player, he seemed like a good person). Never liked Terrero and URibe has been upsetting me since '06.

North Sox Sider
03-25-2008, 06:14 PM
Damaso Marte
Andrew Sisco

Daver
03-25-2008, 06:16 PM
:jaime:nardi:thechoice

oeo
03-25-2008, 06:17 PM
Yeah, what did the Sox management see in Gonzalez?

I don't think they saw much at all, but he was our only option at the time.

Hawk and DJ liked hyping him up, though.

TomBradley72
03-25-2008, 06:17 PM
Skip Pitlock
Claude Osteen
Claudell Washington
Jerry Dybzinski (October, 1983 version)
George Bell
Jaime Navarro
Wil Cordero
Royce Clayton
Todd Ritchie

Frontman
03-25-2008, 06:19 PM
Used to hate Frank, but his actions on helping the Mitchell commission, and how he's conducted himself after his war of words with KW died off; he's won me over.

tick53
03-25-2008, 06:22 PM
Juan Agosto
Juan Uribe
Mike Caruso
Albert Bell
Dynamite Danny Pasqua
and.....:scratch: Robert Machado, Royce Clayton and Wil "The Wife Beater" Cordero

Domeshot17
03-25-2008, 06:34 PM
Andy Gonzalez

Its one thing to suck and be an incredibly bad baseball player, its another to appear to careless that you do suck.

MarySwiss
03-25-2008, 06:52 PM
Lots of good choices on here. I second Bob Howry, Albert Belle, Claudell, and Juan Agosto.

But I never could stand Alan Bannister. And I can't believe no one has yet mentioned Sammy Sosa (unless I missed it; I read this thread quickly). Never could stand him either.

kittle42
03-25-2008, 07:17 PM
Lots of good choices on here. I second Bob Howry, Albert Belle, Claudell, and Juan Agosto.

But I never could stand Alan Bannister. And I can't believe no one has yet mentioned Sammy Sosa (unless I missed it; I read this thread quickly). Never could stand him either.

I mentioned the great 600 HR hitter. Wow - I really, really hated him when he was on the Sox - I was surprised that hatred could intensify any. It did.

Optipessimism
03-25-2008, 07:33 PM
"The Deacon" Warren Newson? Newsome?
Dan Pasqua
Craig Grebeck
Rick White
Mike Jackson
Darin Erstad

cheezheadsoxfan
03-25-2008, 07:38 PM
Albert Belle
Uribe
Frank always annoyed me although I will concede he's a helluva ballplayer.

Railsplitter
03-25-2008, 07:46 PM
Roberto Hernandez- Once had four blown saves in an eight game span.

TommyJohn
03-25-2008, 07:51 PM
Bobby Thigpen, never liked him even in 1990.
Ron Reed.
Juan Agosto.

johnr1note
03-25-2008, 08:57 PM
I started going to Sox games in 1965 with my Dad (who had season tickets until the strike in 1994). I hated all these guys, grouped by my personal eras

First, the nightmares of childhood:

Lee Elia
Ed "the Creeper" Stroud
Rich Morales
Jerry McNertney
Cisco Carlos
John Matias
Syd O'Brien
Rich McKinney
BB Richard
Jerry "Wheat Germ Kid" Jeneski
Steve Keely
Francisco Barrios

The Wasted Years of my Youth:

Nyls Nyman
Don Kessinger
Rusty Kuntz (could have been a porn star with a short vowel)
Harry Chappas (could have been Rusty's partner)
Tex Wortham
Steve Kemp (what a bust!)
Juan Agosto (Disgusto!)
Julio Cruz (highly overrated at the time)
Joel Skinner

Working for a Living while the Sox just aren't winning:

Bob James
Ron "Push a Piano to First base" Hassey
Ken "Don't make me play third" Williams
Darryl Boston
Ivan "Every Fly ball's an adventure" Calderon
Adam Peterson (Yuck!)
Rickey Horton (Who did we give up for that guy?)
Billy Jo Robidaux
Carlos Martinez
Bo Jackson (never liked him -- again, overrated)
Steve Sax (What a waste!)
George "I run a gas station" Bell
Matt Merullo
Paco Martin
Scott Ruffcorn
Rod Bolton
Chris Snopek
Jamie "Tub of Goo" Navarro
Albert "Joey" Belle

Wasting Away in Middle Age:

Mike Caruso
Chad Bradford (wished we hung on to him and let him develop, though)
Jose Valentine (all flash, no depth)
David "Tubby" Wells
Jim Parque (disappointment)
Mike Sirotka (disappointment)
James Baldwin (big disapointment)
Kenny Loften (one of the biggest disappointments of a successful player coming to the Sox)
D'Angelo Jimenez
Brian Daubach
Billy Koch (OMG!)
Roberto Alomar
Scott Schoenweiss
Boone Logan
Toby Hall
Ryan Buckvitch

ksimpson14
03-25-2008, 09:02 PM
Sean Lowe

Jeff Liefer

Mike Jackson

MarySwiss
03-25-2008, 09:03 PM
I started going to Sox games in 1965 with my Dad (who had season tickets until the strike in 1994). I hated all these guys, grouped by my personal eras

First, the nightmares of childhood:

Lee Elia
Ed "the Creeper" Stroud
Rich Morales
Jerry McNertney
Cisco Carlos
John Matias
Syd O'Brien
Rich McKinney
BB Richard
Jerry "Wheat Germ Kid" Jeneski
Steve Keely
Francisco Barrios

The Wasted Years of my Youth:

Nyls Nyman
Don Kessinger
Rusty Kuntz (could have been a porn star with a short vowel)
Harry Chappas (could have been Rusty's partner)
Tex Wortham
Steve Kemp (what a bust!)
Juan Agosto (Disgusto!)
Julio Cruz (highly overrated at the time)
Joel Skinner

Working for a Living while the Sox just aren't winning:

Bob James
Ron "Push a Piano to First base" Hassey
Ken "Don't make me play third" Williams
Darryl Boston
Ivan "Every Fly ball's an adventure" Calderon
Adam Peterson (Yuck!)
Rickey Horton (Who did we give up for that guy?)
Billy Jo Robidaux
Carlos Martinez
Bo Jackson (never liked him -- again, overrated)
Steve Sax (What a waste!)
George "I run a gas station" Bell
Matt Merullo
Paco Martin
Scott Ruffcorn
Rod Bolton
Chris Snopek
Jamie "Tub of Goo" Navarro
Albert "Joey" Belle

Wasting Away in Middle Age:

Mike Caruso
Chad Bradford (wished we hung on to him and let him develop, though)
Jose Valentine (all flash, no depth)
David "Tubby" Wells
Jim Parque (disappointment)
Mike Sirotka (disappointment)
James Baldwin (big disapointment)
Kenny Loften (one of the biggest disappointments of a successful player coming to the Sox)
D'Angelo Jimenez
Brian Daubach
Billy Koch (OMG!)
Roberto Alomar
Scott Schoenweiss
Boone Logan
Toby Hall
Ryan Buckvitch
Yikes! You win, guy. But IMO, you really need to get a hobby! :o:

steely712
03-25-2008, 09:07 PM
David Wells
I still dislike Boone Logan very strongly, the guy just sucks

johnr1note
03-25-2008, 09:53 PM
Yikes! You win, guy. But IMO, you really need to get a hobby! :o:

Collecting baseball cards was one of my hobboes! :D:

sullythered
03-25-2008, 10:29 PM
Jaime Navarro
Wil Cordero
Royce Clayton

PalehosePlanet
03-25-2008, 11:59 PM
My wife is all over me for forgetting to mention her most hated Sox player ever: Rick White.

ksimpson14
03-26-2008, 12:06 AM
My wife is all over me for forgetting to mention her most hated Sox player ever: Rick White.

eww, had forgotten about him

santo=dorf
03-26-2008, 12:08 AM
Clayton, "Stone Cold" Rick White, Joe Crede, Billy Koch, Jon Garland, Andy Gonzalez, Mike Myers, Grinderstad, and Tubby Hall.

JorgeFabregas
03-26-2008, 12:23 AM
I remember Rick White had an awful spring training. There was an article involving his brother-in-law giving him crap about it. All parties involved laughed it off. After all, he had a fair amount of major league success up till then. Sure enough, his regular season was almost as awful.

Carolina Kenny
03-26-2008, 08:45 AM
I started going to Sox games in 1965 with my Dad (who had season tickets until the strike in 1994). I hated all these guys, grouped by my personal eras

First, the nightmares of childhood:

Lee Elia
Ed "the Creeper" Stroud
Rich Morales
Jerry McNertney
Cisco Carlos
John Matias
Syd O'Brien
Rich McKinney
BB Richard
Jerry "Wheat Germ Kid" Jeneski
Steve Keely
Francisco Barrios

The Wasted Years of my Youth:

Nyls Nyman
Don Kessinger
Rusty Kuntz (could have been a porn star with a short vowel)
Harry Chappas (could have been Rusty's partner)
Tex Wortham
Steve Kemp (what a bust!)
Juan Agosto (Disgusto!)
Julio Cruz (highly overrated at the time)
Joel Skinner

Working for a Living while the Sox just aren't winning:

Bob James
Ron "Push a Piano to First base" Hassey
Ken "Don't make me play third" Williams
Darryl Boston
Ivan "Every Fly ball's an adventure" Calderon
Adam Peterson (Yuck!)
Rickey Horton (Who did we give up for that guy?)
Billy Jo Robidaux
Carlos Martinez
Bo Jackson (never liked him -- again, overrated)
Steve Sax (What a waste!)
George "I run a gas station" Bell
Matt Merullo
Paco Martin
Scott Ruffcorn
Rod Bolton
Chris Snopek
Jamie "Tub of Goo" Navarro
Albert "Joey" Belle

Wasting Away in Middle Age:

Mike Caruso
Chad Bradford (wished we hung on to him and let him develop, though)
Jose Valentine (all flash, no depth)
David "Tubby" Wells
Jim Parque (disappointment)
Mike Sirotka (disappointment)
James Baldwin (big disapointment)
Kenny Loften (one of the biggest disappointments of a successful player coming to the Sox)
D'Angelo Jimenez
Brian Daubach
Billy Koch (OMG!)
Roberto Alomar
Scott Schoenweiss
Boone Logan
Toby Hall
Ryan Buckvitch

Wow, this has got to be one of the posts of the year. So much hate over such a long period of time. I am blown away! I agree with many of your picks, but how could you hate "Paco" Martin?

D' Angelo Jimenez is still in the league. Maybe he will play 2nd base again for the Sox. This will give you a two time hate.

Special mention goes to Scott (I want to start but I suck and I take steriods) Schoenweiss. I should have thought of him.

chisox117
03-26-2008, 12:02 PM
Steve "Psycho" Lyons.

asindc
03-26-2008, 01:06 PM
Billy Koch. Can't help but say his name with disgust.

raven1
03-26-2008, 01:12 PM
The entire 2007 bullpen except for Jenks & Wasserman

alohafri
03-26-2008, 02:11 PM
Jamie Navarro (who sucked on both sides of town)
Royce "The Choice" Clayton (whatever happened to that mocked up stained glass window pic of him appearing Jesus-like)

I was never a big fan of "Toke" Pasqua, but didn't hate him.

I also didn't like Billy Koch, but at least he knew he sucked. (after one game he that he won because the opposing closer blew the game in the bottom of the inning, he said, "He out Billy Koched me.")

Uncle_Patrick
03-26-2008, 04:31 PM
I don't think I ever hated any Sox players, although I didn't really like:

Mike Jackson - seemed like he gave up every lead he came into the game with.

Rick White - Sucked, then tried to blame Jerry Manuel, as I recall.

Royce the Choice - Just seemed like a moron. I remember reading an interview with him when he was batting like .125 and he told the reporter he wasn't in a slump.

I always felt sorry for Billy Koch. He sucked, but at least he took responsibility for it.

fusillirob1983
03-26-2008, 10:26 PM
Mike Jackson
Jon Adkins
Rick White
Todd Ritchie
Jeff Liefer
Brian Daubach
D'Angelo Jimenez
Jaime Navarro
David Wells
Danny Wright
James Baldwin - in the first half of the season
Andy Sisco
David Aardsma
Wil Cordero
John Kruk
Damaso Marte
Andy Gonzalez
Joe Borchard
Kenny Lofton

SoxSpeed22
03-27-2008, 12:51 AM
Wil Cordero and Albert Belle are the easy ones.
David Wells
Rick White
Royce Clayton
Every 5th starter we had from 2003-2004
Mike Jackson
Ben Davis
Andy Gonzalez
Ryan Bukvich
Joe Borchard

Elephant
03-27-2008, 12:58 AM
Is anyone else mad that Swisher took Magglio's old number? Seems too soon. :scratch:

rdivaldi
03-27-2008, 01:33 AM
Is anyone else mad that Swisher took Magglio's old number? Seems too soon. :scratch:

Considering the BS Maggs pulled when he left, I could care less...

kittle42
03-27-2008, 02:10 AM
Is anyone else mad that Swisher took Magglio's old number? Seems too soon. :scratch:

I do hope this is a rip on that other thread re: Podsednik.

TDog
03-27-2008, 03:23 AM
I can't imagine hating any Sox player, although a few have tried my patience.

Nonetheless, I'm surprised that I haven't seen Ron Santo's name pop up in this thread.

Bucky F. Dent
03-27-2008, 02:54 PM
Jaime Navarro.

Steelrod
03-27-2008, 03:23 PM
I can't imagine hating any Sox player, although a few have tried my patience.

Nonetheless, I'm surprised that I haven't seen Ron Santo's name pop up in this thread.
One of the nicest guys I've ever met. His PR team gets on my nerves however.

doublem23
03-27-2008, 03:40 PM
Considering the BS Maggs pulled when he left, I could care less...

Maggs is dead to me.

TDog
03-27-2008, 03:52 PM
One of the nicest guys I've ever met. His PR team gets on my nerves however.

Would you say the same for Dick Allen? I know Dick Allen wouldn't consider Ron Santo one of the nicest guys he ever met.

Seriously, I've never met Santo. I've talked with people who have, and the impressions vary widely.

People are more consistent in talking about Dick Allen, though.

WhiteSox5187
03-27-2008, 04:06 PM
Would you say the same for Dick Allen? I know Dick Allen wouldn't consider Ron Santo one of the nicest guys he ever met.

Seriously, I've never met Santo. I've talked with people who have, and the impressions vary widely.

People are more consistent in talking about Dick Allen, though.
I'm willin to bet that Santo has mellowed over the years. I think one year he made a rookie cry after losing a flyball in the sun...I've met him and he was very nice. Haven't met Dick Allen though.

Tragg
03-27-2008, 04:28 PM
Dan Pasqua

BeeBeeRichard
03-27-2008, 04:56 PM
And introducing the manager of your most hated Chicago White Sox ...

http://www.americanassociationbaseball.com/staff/bevington.jpg




http://www.americanassociationbaseball.com/staff/bevington.php

Steelrod
03-27-2008, 05:39 PM
Would you say the same for Dick Allen? I know Dick Allen wouldn't consider Ron Santo one of the nicest guys he ever met.

Seriously, I've never met Santo. I've talked with people who have, and the impressions vary widely.

People are more consistent in talking about Dick Allen, though.
Actually not!

MDF3530
03-27-2008, 06:59 PM
I have to agree with all who've said Joe Borchard. He had holes in two places: 1. his swing and 2. his head. The Sox could've fixed hole #1 if he would've fixed #2. But somehow he got it into his head that the only way he'd ever make it in the majors would be to hit home runs.

MDF3530
03-27-2008, 07:00 PM
Dan Pasqua
Not a big fan of "The Hammer"?

whitesoxwilkes
03-27-2008, 07:04 PM
Always have and always will hate Frank Thomas.

With you.

I respect his eye and discipline at the plate, but he was a major league jagoff.

I don't get some of the hate on here. Seems like people hate players more for their performance than their personalities.

MDF3530
03-27-2008, 07:13 PM
With you.

I respect his eye and discipline at the plate, but he was a major league jagoff.

I don't get some of the hate on here. Seems like people hate players more for their performance than their personalities.
I think some of the performance-related hate is because the person in question is/was just good enough to break your heart.

santo=dorf
03-27-2008, 07:14 PM
With you.

I respect his eye and discipline at the plate, but he was a major league jagoff.

I don't get some of the hate on here. Seems like people hate players more for their performance than their personalities.
I'd gladly accept any jerk or tool on this team if he put up big numbers. Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, Ty Cobb, Bob Gibson, etc...

soxwon
03-27-2008, 10:57 PM
ive loved everyone of em, honestly

Tragg
03-27-2008, 11:48 PM
Not a big fan of "The Hammer"?
He was terrible. And he looked really lazy being terrible (in that Sexon sort of way). And Hawk seemed to love him, which made it worse.

JUribe1989
03-28-2008, 01:55 AM
Joe Borchard in 2004 (I appreciated his above .300 average in 5-6 games after being called up in September)

Brian Daubach - The single WORST pinch hitter in White Sox history

D. TODD
03-29-2008, 01:40 AM
ROSS GLOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry Dybzinski

TDog
03-29-2008, 03:13 AM
I'd gladly accept any jerk or tool on this team if he put up big numbers. Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, Ty Cobb, Bob Gibson, etc...

Referring to Barry Bonds and Bob Gibson as jerks in the same sentence is like describing both Billy Adair and John McGraw as former major league managers.

WhiteSox5187
03-29-2008, 05:33 AM
Referring to Barry Bonds and Bob Gibson as jerks in the same sentence is like describing both Billy Adair and John McGraw as former major league managers.
I agree, everything I've read about Gibson said he was an ass on the field, but as soon as he stepped off of it he was a rather nice guy, just very shy and private.

FarWestChicago
03-29-2008, 08:36 AM
Referring to Barry Bonds and Bob Gibson as jerks in the same sentence is like describing both Billy Adair and John McGraw as former major league managers.

I agree, everything I've read about Gibson said he was an ass on the field, but as soon as he stepped off of it he was a rather nice guy, just very shy and private.You guys are right. Dorf really **** the bed on this one. Gibson was hard on the moron McCarver. That makes him a good guy in my book! :happyguy:

PKalltheway
03-29-2008, 01:19 PM
Todd Ritchie, David Wells, Rocky Biddle, and Billy Koch

Ziggy S
03-29-2008, 11:40 PM
Navarro (Loses 8-0 and blames it on low run support and bad fielding behind him)
Cordero (Smacking up bitches and hos is not exactly a good thing. Too bad Schueler didn't get that memo)
Neil Cotts (except for 2K5)
Sosa
David Wells
Kip Wells
The Castillo Brothers (Tony and Carlos)
Andy Gonzalez
Luis Terrero
Erstad
McCowiak
Rick White


Managers

Bevington
Manuel
La Russa

GM's

Schueler
The Hawk

HaroMaster87
03-31-2008, 02:11 AM
Kirk McCaskill

Steve Sax

Uribe

Navarro


more to follow when i can remember...

Jerome
03-31-2008, 06:24 PM
a lot of the crap from 07

Gonzales, Terrero, Uribe, and of course Darin Erstad

Jose Paniagua and Billy Koch of course

WizardsofOzzie
03-31-2008, 11:35 PM
It finally came to a head for me today. Juan ****ing Uribe :mad:

gogosox16
03-31-2008, 11:37 PM
It finally came to a head for me today. Juan ****ing Uribe :mad:
You read my mind....today just made him into a player that I can't stand on this team, to a player that I hate forever and needs to leave town right now.:mad:

santo=dorf
03-31-2008, 11:58 PM
Referring to Barry Bonds and Bob Gibson as jerks in the same sentence is like describing both Billy Adair and John McGraw as former major league managers.
Gibson was a headhunter who didn't want batters to look or talk to him. He wasn't the kindest to his teammates either.

Hell of a pitcher, but he wasn't an angel on the field.

Bonds is just a much bigger, juiced up, stinkier ******* than Gibson.

johnr1note
03-31-2008, 11:59 PM
I agree, everything I've read about Gibson said he was an ass on the field, but as soon as he stepped off of it he was a rather nice guy, just very shy and private.

Wasn't there some tale about Gibson being told to intentionally walk or pitch around a hitter, so he hit him, and told his manager he was just saving time?

Irishsox1
04-01-2008, 12:57 AM
Kenny Williams - Just a total wimp of a player
Steve Kemp - Warning track power
Albert Belle - Just a total jerk
Jamie Navarro - A major loser
Bryan Ward - How this guy actually made it on a MLB team is beyond me!
Billy Koch - A massive bust

sox1970
04-01-2008, 01:00 AM
Kenny Williams - Just a total wimp of a player

Chicago Tough

Ziggy S
04-01-2008, 01:02 AM
Steve Kemp - Warning track power

Billy Koch - A massive bust
To think we traded Chet for Kemp.

Koch deserves the benefit of the doubt since he had some nerve damage/arm disease. It's not like his awful results were totally his fault.

Oh, and add Uribe to my hated players list now.

TDog
04-01-2008, 03:53 AM
Gibson was a headhunter who didn't want batters to look or talk to him. He wasn't the kindest to his teammates either.

Hell of a pitcher, but he wasn't an angel on the field.

Bonds is just a much bigger, juiced up, stinkier ******* than Gibson.

How much do you know about Bob Gibson and Barry Bonds? Bob Gibson was an old school competitor who had to fight for everything he had, who had to eat and sleep at a different spring training hotel in his early days with the Cardinals because of his race. Yet, he signs for white people. I have a ball signed by both Bob Gibson and Bob Feller, and I found Gibson the more personable Bob.

Bob Gibson was asthmatic. He used an inhaler. I don't know if it was steroid- free, but even if it wasn't, he came by everything honestly. He may have been an unpleasant opponent who didn't put up with jerks, but as a jerk himself, he isn't in the same league with Barry Bonds.

Neither of them played for the White Sox, which is supposed to be what this thread is about. If they did, I'm guessing that more people would be naming Bonds than Gibson.

Procol Harum
04-01-2008, 11:56 AM
Stan Bahnsen
Claudell Washington
Jaime Navarro
Dan Pasqua
Albert Belle
Ray Durham
Royce Clayton
David Wells
Chris Sabo
John Kruk

Managers: Terry Bevington

santo=dorf
04-01-2008, 12:16 PM
How much do you know about Bob Gibson and Barry Bonds? Bob Gibson was an old school competitor who had to fight for everything he had, who had to eat and sleep at a different spring training hotel in his early days with the Cardinals because of his race. Yet, he signs for white people. I have a ball signed by both Bob Gibson and Bob Feller, and I found Gibson the more personable Bob.

Bob Gibson was asthmatic. He used an inhaler. I don't know if it was steroid- free, but even if it wasn't, he came by everything honestly. He may have been an unpleasant opponent who didn't put up with jerks, but as a jerk himself, he isn't in the same league with Barry Bonds.

Neither of them played for the White Sox, which is supposed to be what this thread is about. If they did, I'm guessing that more people would be naming Bonds than Gibson.
Would you quit trying to imply that I'm saying Bonds and Gibson were equal people who did equal things on and off the field? :rolleyes:

Gibson was a tool on the field, just like AJ and Carlos Zambrano are. As long as they put up great numbers on the field, they can taunt or headhunt at opposing players all they want.

Barry Bonds was great player before he was juicing too.

PatK
04-01-2008, 12:31 PM
Terry Bevington

TDog
04-01-2008, 01:01 PM
...

Barry Bonds was great player before he was juicing too.

Bob Gibson was no more "a tool on the field" than Steve Carlton or Nolan Ryan. Probably less of "a tool" than Ed Farmer. I imagine Tom Bradley would have fulfilled his promise if he had been more of "a tool on the field."

Barry Bonds was a complete jerk and unpopular teammate with an entourage when he was an athlete (not really a student) at Arizona State University. I don't have any direct knowledge of what he was like in high school.

Aside from the fact that Gibson and Bonds were black Americans born in the 20th century who realized success at baseball, it is an insult to Gibson to link them.

LITTLE NELL
04-01-2008, 01:50 PM
Maggs is dead to me.
Maggs who?

TheVulture
04-01-2008, 04:53 PM
Mike Sirotka (disappointment)


:scratch:How was he a disappointment? He led the staff to a division title then his arm fell off.

TheVulture
04-01-2008, 04:56 PM
Gibson was a headhunter who didn't want batters to look or talk to him.

Everybody with a good fastball back in those days was a headhunter - that was just a part of the game.

A.T. Money
04-01-2008, 09:53 PM
D'Angelo Jimenez
Juan Uribe (can't bunt...doesn't know the strike zone...how are you in the Major Leagues?)
Mike Jackson
Mike Caruso
Royce Clayton
Greg Norton

Boy...we had some brutal lineups in the late 90s.

I hope no one mentions Doug Drabek. I loved that guy!!

LongLiveFisk
04-01-2008, 11:00 PM
Ron Karkovice, because if you're going to sit my favorite player on the bench, the one you put in to replace him should at least be one-tenth of the player he is. I don't think that's asking much. (I'm sure someone will give me crap over this but I really don't give a damn. :makefaces:) :lol:

And FWIW, some of you are being way too hard on Daubach. I paid attention to the way he was used for the one year he was here (2003). He did suck as a pinch-hitter but the guy sat on the bench way too much and when he WAS used and started tearing the cover off the ball, Manual couldn't resist yanking him in a bases-loaded situation to put in Konerko who was colder than ice. Usually Konerko would then pop up, hit into a double play or strike out. I know I can't be the only one to remember this.

kaufsox
04-02-2008, 01:19 AM
I can't believe no one has mentioned Wil Cordero, one of the few guys around actually worth "hating."

Ding! we have a winner. Wasn't too pleased with Sox management for that pick up. (dis)honorable mention Canseco and Wells.

soxinem1
04-02-2008, 07:09 AM
I started going to Sox games in 1965 with my Dad (who had season tickets until the strike in 1994). I hated all these guys, grouped by my personal eras

First, the nightmares of childhood:

Lee Elia
Ed "the Creeper" Stroud
Rich Morales
Jerry McNertney
Cisco Carlos
John Matias
Syd O'Brien
Rich McKinney
BB Richard
Jerry "Wheat Germ Kid" Jeneski
Steve Keely
Francisco Barrios

The Wasted Years of my Youth:

Nyls Nyman
Don Kessinger
Rusty Kuntz (could have been a porn star with a short vowel)
Harry Chappas (could have been Rusty's partner)
Tex Wortham
Steve Kemp (what a bust!)
Juan Agosto (Disgusto!)
Julio Cruz (highly overrated at the time)
Joel Skinner

Working for a Living while the Sox just aren't winning:

Bob James
Ron "Push a Piano to First base" Hassey
Ken "Don't make me play third" Williams
Darryl Boston
Ivan "Every Fly ball's an adventure" Calderon
Adam Peterson (Yuck!)
Rickey Horton (Who did we give up for that guy?)
Billy Jo Robidaux
Carlos Martinez
Bo Jackson (never liked him -- again, overrated)
Steve Sax (What a waste!)
George "I run a gas station" Bell
Matt Merullo
Paco Martin
Scott Ruffcorn
Rod Bolton
Chris Snopek
Jamie "Tub of Goo" Navarro
Albert "Joey" Belle

Wasting Away in Middle Age:

Mike Caruso
Chad Bradford (wished we hung on to him and let him develop, though)
Jose Valentin (all flash, no depth)
David "Tubby" Wells
Jim Parque (disappointment)
Mike Sirotka (disappointment)
James Baldwin (big disapointment)
Kenny Loften (one of the biggest disappointments of a successful player coming to the Sox)
D'Angelo Jimenez
Brian Daubach
Billy Koch (OMG!)
Roberto Alomar
Scott Schoenweiss
Boone Logan
Toby Hall
Ryan Buckvitch

Wow, I agree with almost all of your list, but Sirotka was a guy who took the ball and got better and better each year. I'd gladly take the 1999 or Y2K version of him right now, even if he couldn't throw over 90 pitches a game without getting ripped in his next start.

Steve Kemp had a very solid year here, but taking the big $$$$ of the NYY and the fact Kittle made him expendable does not underscore the fact he played hard here.

I will always be a Calderon and Valentin fan.

But just about all of your list is a great summarization of frustration!

TDog
04-02-2008, 02:16 PM
Ding! we have a winner. Wasn't too pleased with Sox management for that pick up. (dis)honorable mention Canseco and Wells.

The thing I most shake my head at over the Canseco stint with the Sox after Thomas went down for the season is that a lot of Sox fans -- I know this because I drove down to the park for most of the weekend games and heard people talking -- wanted the Sox to dump Thomas altogether and keep Canseco for the future.

minutia
04-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Sammy Sosa
Albert Belle

RadioheadRocks
04-08-2008, 12:37 AM
Anyone who remembers the 1985 season no doubt remembers Mike Stanton, the one Sox reliever with the incredible knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of certain victory; whenever Stanton came in it was pretty much a given he'd cough up a dramatic gopher ball. Most notable was a game vs. the Orioles where he came in after Bob James' season derailing injury where he blew out his knee (with two outs in the ninth, the Sox winning 6-3 and two strikes on the hitter he was facing). Stanton promptly fails to get anyone else out and eventually uncorks the game winner to Fred Lynn.

In another game a few weeks later the Sox were leading 5-3 in the top of the 10th (the NBC game where Fisk tagged out Bobby Meacham and Dale Berra at home), Stanton came in to face Dave Winfield with a runner on, managed to get two strikes on him only to cough up a cookie to Winfield to tie the game. Stanton managed to get the last out (somehow) and the White Sox took the lead for good in the 11th inning. Stanton would have actually earned the victory, however a rarely used rule (taking a victory away from a pitcher who was "brief and ineffective") provided Juan Agosto (who pitched the bottom of the 11th) with the win.

TommyJohn
04-08-2008, 09:01 AM
Anyone who remembers the 1985 season no doubt remembers Mike Stanton, the one Sox reliever with the incredible knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of certain victory; whenever Stanton came in it was pretty much a given he'd cough up a dramatic gopher ball. Most notable was a game vs. the Orioles where he came in after Bob James' season derailing injury where he blew out his knee (with two outs in the ninth, the Sox winning 6-3 and two strikes on the hitter he was facing). Stanton promptly fails to get anyone else out and eventually uncorks the game winner to Fred Lynn.

In another game a few weeks later the Sox were leading 5-3 in the top of the 10th (the NBC game where Fisk tagged out Bobby Meacham and Dale Berra at home), Stanton came in to face Dave Winfield with a runner on, managed to get two strikes on him only to cough up a cookie to Winfield to tie the game. Stanton managed to get the last out (somehow) and the White Sox took the lead for good in the 11th inning. Stanton would have actually earned the victory, however a rarely used rule (taking a victory away from a pitcher who was "brief and ineffective") provided Juan Agosto (who pitched the bottom of the 11th) with the win.

I remember those two games very clearly. The Fred Lynn homer left me
dazed. In the Yankee game, Ozzie Guillen scored the winning run in the
11th.

JoeClutch24
04-08-2008, 09:44 AM
Luis Vizcaino and Keith Foulke towards the end of his stay in Chicago

BringBackBlkJack
04-08-2008, 03:49 PM
Maybe I missed it in the flood of responses, but has Jose Canseco's name not been brought up yet??

I don't recall seeing it on first glance.


edit: Ok it was mentioned once albeit misspelled. I believe his greasiness warranted more, however.

delben91
04-08-2008, 04:52 PM
Ken Hill anyone?

scarsofthumper
04-09-2008, 10:37 PM
Juan Uribe
Albert Belle
Jason Bere

and just for fun, Jack Parkman

johnr1note
04-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Wow, I agree with almost all of your list, but Sirotka was a guy who took the ball and got better and better each year. I'd gladly take the 1999 or Y2K version of him right now, even if he couldn't throw over 90 pitches a game without getting ripped in his next start.

Steve Kemp had a very solid year here, but taking the big $$$$ of the NYY and the fact Kittle made him expendable does not underscore the fact he played hard here.

I will always be a Calderon and Valentin fan.

But just about all of your list is a great summarization of frustration!

Sirotka had the one good year in 2000, and then was gone -- traded for that tub of goo David Wells. Disappointing to me at least.

We traded Chet Lemon for Kemp. It was like trading away Joel Horlen. The return didn't equal what we gave away.

And I don't care what you say -- Calderon and Valentine, despite their occasional shining moments, were at best, "hot dogs."

TommyJohn
04-10-2008, 08:13 PM
Sirotka had the one good year in 2000, and then was gone -- traded for that tub of goo David Wells. Disappointing to me at least.

We traded Chet Lemon for Kemp. It was like trading away Joel Horlen. The return didn't equal what we gave away.

And I don't care what you say -- Calderon and Valentine, despite their occasional shining moments, were at best, "hot dogs."

Keep in mind that Sirotka never threw another pitch in the majors after
2000, his arm injury was career-ending.

And I never knew that Bobby Valentine played for the Sox. Oh, wait. You
must mean Karen Valentine. :redneck:redneck

Just messing with you.

A. Cavatica
04-10-2008, 09:49 PM
Carl Everett.

EndemicSox
04-10-2008, 10:59 PM
Albert Belle
George Bell
Jim Parque
Mike Caruso
Rob Dibble
Jose Canseco
Julio Cruz
Jerry Don Gleaton(completely irrational, autograph incident)
Pete Vuckovich

NADA SURF
04-13-2008, 06:20 PM
I couldn't stand Albert Belle and kind of left the Sox for a while until he was gone.
Also, Lerrin LaGrow blew too many games for me.
Claudell Washington is an excellent choice. He never wanted to play here. Those banners, "Claudell Washington slept here" and "Claudell Washington fan club" are classics.
The guy that infuriated me mostly in recent years was Frank Thomas and his infantile comments later in his career with the Sox. I'm on the mend with him now and clearly he DID have a little left in the tank.

BadBobbyJenks
04-13-2008, 11:59 PM
Big Fat Bartolo Colon

NADA SURF
04-19-2008, 05:31 PM
I like Chick Gandil and I admire the Black Sox for what they did....
Comiskey was at fault...It took a lot of guts for those guys to do what they did...They should be admired for standing up for workers everywhere.
Besides, it gave us a great story to read about decades later.Hate is a strong word I don't like using much. There are plenty of Sox players I didn't care very much for but did I "hate" them or just their attributes?

I can think of a few of examples:

Chick Gandil-Black Sox ringleader

Jamie Navarro-starting pitcher-Yuck

Donnie Hill-was Hill the best we could do?

Albert Belle-ass wipe

Nyls Nyman-for disappointing me and making a young child face reality

cnw8052
04-19-2008, 09:22 PM
Just to name a few:

Albert Belle
Daivd Wells
Bartolo Colon
Alex Cintron
Orlando Cabrera (so far, he hasn't impressed me)

TDog
04-20-2008, 02:52 AM
I like Chick Gandil and I admire the Black Sox for what they did....
Comiskey was at fault...It took a lot of guts for those guys to do what they did...They should be admired for standing up for workers everywhere.
Besides, it gave us a great story to read about decades later..

No. It didn't take guts to lie to your teammates, to cheat the fans, to take money from your employer to play your best while taking more money from people who have a self interest in seeing you lose. They did it in secret, hardly with the intent of standing up for anyone anywhere.

Admire baseball players for standing up and going on strike in 1972, 1981 and 1994 if you want to admire players for standing up for workers everywhere. They cheated fans, but they were honest about it.

Madvora
04-20-2008, 08:22 AM
I like Chick Gandil and I admire the Black Sox for what they did....
Comiskey was at fault...It took a lot of guts for those guys to do what they did...They should be admired for standing up for workers everywhere.
Besides, it gave us a great story to read about decades later.
Yeah, this is a pretty weird thing to say.
You sound like Elaine's communist boyfriend on Seinfeld.

bigfoot
04-20-2008, 01:56 PM
And.....who could forget the Steve Carleton era in Sox history?

A tool to most of the media going back well into the early days of his Philly term in baseball purgatory.

But I would have liked to have seen him pitching for the Sox in his prime.

Whether he was a tool or not.

NADA SURF
04-20-2008, 09:30 PM
You make a good point about the fans...I could have never done that...
They probably would have been smarter to just strike late in the season or something...
As for Comiskey, he never cared about anyone but himself. I'm glad they caused him a ton of stress.
I loved the old ballpark, but never referred to it as Comiskey..

No. It didn't take guts to lie to your teammates, to cheat the fans, to take money from your employer to play your best while taking more money from people who have a self interest in seeing you lose. They did it in secret, hardly with the intent of standing up for anyone anywhere.

Admire baseball players for standing up and going on strike in 1972, 1981 and 1994 if you want to admire players for standing up for workers everywhere. They cheated fans, but they were honest about it.

NADA SURF
04-20-2008, 09:32 PM
Yeah, this is a pretty weird thing to say.
You sound like Elaine's communist boyfriend on Seinfeld.

That's actually pretty funny...That was a funny episode...
I'm more like Kramer, though.

rightsox
04-20-2008, 10:25 PM
Albert Belle - Just a total jerk

I thought he was a five-alarm ******* until I read this on wikipedia:

"In 1990, he threw a baseball into the stands, where it struck a fan who had been taunting him about his alcohol rehab."

He's still a five-alarm *******, but that's damn funny.

scarsofthumper
04-21-2008, 10:50 AM
Yeah, this is a pretty weird thing to say.
You sound like Elaine's communist boyfriend on Seinfeld.YOU GOT ME BLACKLISTED FROM HOP SINGS!??!!?!!?!

GeoffNotBlum
04-21-2008, 11:46 AM
The first name that came to my mind was Juan Disgusto.

PeteWard
04-21-2008, 11:46 AM
Come on folks: Bobby ****ing Bonds.

Also Santo, Richie Zisk, Canseco, Belle

Sad
04-21-2008, 12:11 PM
Navarro :angry: :club:

Jurr
04-21-2008, 12:27 PM
Billy Koch....I was a huge Keith Foulke guy, and I absolutely abhorred every day Koch was on the roster.

David Wells...I understand his back sucked, but he was nothing but a disappointment the whole time he was here. All of a sudden, he goes back to pitch for the bigger teams and becomes a stud.

NADA SURF
04-21-2008, 10:17 PM
YOU GOT ME BLACKLISTED FROM HOP SINGS!??!!?!!?!

I'm also banned from Madvora's Restaurant.

ClaudelSleptHere
04-28-2008, 04:03 PM
Santo
Thigpen
Claudell
Belle
MacDougal
Bevington
Razor Shines (just kidding, I just like the name Razor Shines)

Ex-Chicagoan
04-28-2008, 06:46 PM
Gonna say Marc Hill, only because it seemed for a stretch that every time I got to a game in my youth (usually day games), he was behind the plate and not Fisk. That, and "Booter" is a lousy nickname.

TDog
04-29-2008, 03:26 AM
Santo
Thigpen
Claudell
Belle
MacDougal
Bevington
Razor Shines (just kidding, I just like the name Razor Shines)


Because you're just kidding about Razor Shines, let's play the game of who doesn't belong on this list.

How could anyone hate Bobby Thigpen?