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TomBradley72
03-25-2008, 08:47 AM
Based on reports in this morning's papers that Uribe and Hall have made the team (still discussions on Wassermann vs. Masset, Fields vs. Crede) it's down to Carlos Quentin vs. Brian Anderson for the 25 spot. Who would you pick?

Here's the roster so far based on published reports:

Buehrle
Vazquez
Contreras
Danks
Floyd
Jenks
Linebrink
Dotel
Logan
Thornton
MacDougal
Masset or Wassermann
Owens
Cabrera
Thome
Konerko
Dye
Swisher
Crede or Fields
Pierzynski
Ramirez
Uribe
Ozuna
Hall
Anderson or Quentin?

rdwj
03-25-2008, 08:48 AM
BA - no doubt. At a minimum, we can use his glove late in the game as a defensive replacement.

Scottiehaswheels
03-25-2008, 08:51 AM
I think Quentin should start the season in AAA on a rehab assignment... He doesn't look to be 100% yet and I don't see a reason to risk him getting injured in cold weather to start the season... See where it goes from there...

oeo
03-25-2008, 08:53 AM
Since we apparently have the depth to do it, give Quentin some extra time with the shoulder. If Brian struggles in April, though, he's got to lose his job. No more excuses for the guy.

fquaye149
03-25-2008, 09:01 AM
Since we apparently have the depth to do it, give Quentin some extra time with the shoulder. If Brian struggles in April, though, he's got to lose his job. No more excuses for the guy.

Why make excuses for a guy when you've already given up on him?

There will be no occasion to make excuses when he's getting his 6 ab per week

soxfan21
03-25-2008, 09:03 AM
Hands down BA, he has shown this spring that he deserves a spot, and Quentin is still nursing his shoulder, so some time in AAA should be able to help him out with this.

cws05champ
03-25-2008, 09:05 AM
BA has earned the job this spring. Carlos needs to go on a rehab assignment for a month and lets see where they are at in 3- 4 weeks. If Brian plays with a chip on his shoulder(like in ST), knowing that someone is looking over his shoulder for his roster spot, then he may stick.

oeo
03-25-2008, 09:09 AM
Why make excuses for a guy when you've already given up on him?

1. I'm not going to make excuses for him. Then whine like you and many others will do if he's struggling and not getting much playing time because of it. The official symbol of BA supporters: :whiner:
2. I haven't 'given up.' In the past, he played like ****, and had a ****ty attitude to go with it. He didn't deserve to play. He 'appears' to have changed his attitude...let's see if that actually translates to success, though.

But please continue to tell me what I think. :rolleyes:

fquaye149
03-25-2008, 09:11 AM
1. I'm not going to make excuses for him. Then whine like you and many others will do if he's struggling and not getting much playing time because of it. :whiner:
2. I haven't 'given up.' In the past, he played like ****, and had a ****ty attitude to go with it. He didn't deserve to play. He 'appears' to have changed his attitude...let's see if that actually translates to success, though.

But please continue to tell me what I think. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

oeo
03-25-2008, 09:12 AM
:rolleyes:

Nice post, as usual.

fquaye149
03-25-2008, 09:14 AM
1. I'm not going to make excuses for him. Then whine like you and many others will do if he's struggling and not getting much play

Making excuses? Like "He's not getting any at bats except against Sabathia, Santana, and Verlanders"? Gosh...what pathetic EXCUSES


2. I haven't 'given up.' In the past, he played like ****, and had a ****ty attitude to go with it. He didn't deserve to play. He 'appears' to have changed his attitude...let's see if that actually translates to success, though.

And yet he ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY, so how can anyone "make excuses for him" except that "HE ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY"?

to repeat: :rolleyes:

Rockin Robin
03-25-2008, 09:18 AM
Lyle Mouton

veeter
03-25-2008, 09:18 AM
Being fully caught up in Brian's play, I want him to be the starter in center. Start Carlos in AAA and let the shoulder heal. Trade Dye at the break and have Owens, Anderson and Quentin in the OF for the run to the title.

WizardsofOzzie
03-25-2008, 09:19 AM
Based on reports in this morning's papers that Uribe and Hall have made the team.
:thud:Am I missing something here?

spawn
03-25-2008, 09:19 AM
I vote BA. he's earned it.

And BTW...the BA sucks/BA is GOD battles that keep creeping into every thread is really getting old.

Carolina Kenny
03-25-2008, 09:20 AM
BA has earned the job this spring. Carlos needs to go on a rehab assignment for a month and lets see where they are at in 3- 4 weeks. If Brian plays with a chip on his shoulder(like in ST), knowing that someone is looking over his shoulder for his roster spot, then he may stick.

Let Brian start the season in a platoon with Owens. Brian is above average defense in all (3) OF positions.Keep in mind that Dye/Owens/Swisher outfield is below league average and we will need a defensive specialist here and there.

Hopefully Dye can have a great season, but I think that Carlos is considered to be insurance in case Dye has continued leg problems this year.

RowanDye
03-25-2008, 09:21 AM
BA has earned the job this spring. Carlos needs to go on a rehab assignment for a month and lets see where they are at in 3- 4 weeks. If Brian plays with a chip on his shoulder(like in ST), knowing that someone is looking over his shoulder for his roster spot, then he may stick.

A few other guys better be playing with a chip on the shoulder as well, namely Owens, Uribe, Hall, and MacDougal.

Edit: If Quentin can be the OBP-machine he was in the minors, Owens should be the one worried about his spot.

TomBradley72
03-25-2008, 09:21 AM
:thud:Am I missing something here?

Based on Ozzie's comment in the papers this morning....he indicates Hall is making the team.

Optipessimism
03-25-2008, 09:22 AM
Anderson - starting in CF
Quentin - getting 500 ABs by giving JD & Swisher days off, DHing vs. most LHP instead of Thome, giving PK days off by covering for Swish who moves to 1B, and giving Anderson days off by moving Swish to CF
Owens - Charlotte Knights
Uribe - waivers
Crede - waivers
Masset - waivers
Wassermann - righty specialist; no LR, but Wassermann is probably better vs. LH than Masset is at anything
Fields - 3B
The Cuban Bad Nickname - starting 2B
Bourgeois - back-up IF

Frontman
03-25-2008, 09:23 AM
BA. He's at 100%, Quentin isn't yet. Start Quentin down in AAA on rehab, see what happens from there. There could come the day our outfield is Quentin, Anderson, Dye; but who knows.

TomBradley72
03-25-2008, 09:23 AM
Being fully caught up in Brian's play, I want him to be the starter in center. Start Carlos in AAA and let the shoulder heal. Trade Dye at the break and have Owens, Anderson and Quentin in the OF for the run to the title.

What about Swisher?

veeter
03-25-2008, 09:24 AM
:thud:Am I missing something here?Where does he get his rolls of wet newspaper? Most guys go with Louisville sluggers or Adirondaks. Toby goes with a lightly soaked Wall Street Journal.

WizardsofOzzie
03-25-2008, 09:24 AM
Based on Ozzie's comment in the papers this morning....he indicates Hall is making the team.
I understand that but why? He's had all of 13 AB this spring and had 1 hit along with 3 K's. From what I've read in the game threads his defense hasn't been very spectacular to boot. Why not put him on rehab assignment in AAA or am I missing something?

Frontman
03-25-2008, 09:30 AM
I understand that but why? He's had all of 13 AB this spring and had 1 hit along with 3 K's. From what I've read in the game threads his defense hasn't been very spectacular to boot. Why not put him on rehab assignment in AAA or am I missing something?

AJ is going to go "Iron Man" this year and catch all 162 games. Hall is just there for show/short relief.

JohnTucker0814
03-25-2008, 09:32 AM
Being fully caught up in Brian's play, I want him to be the starter in center. Start Carlos in AAA and let the shoulder heal. Trade Dye at the break and have Owens, Anderson and Quentin in the OF for the run to the title.

Where is Swisher??? Did we also trade Konerko at the break?

oeo
03-25-2008, 09:33 AM
Making excuses? Like "He's not getting any at bats except against Sabathia, Santana, and Verlanders"? Gosh...what pathetic EXCUSES

Oh, you mean poor Brian Anderson had to face AL Central pitchers? Not to mention, two of them were lefties (which he hits much better), and the other is mostly a fastball pitcher...who he should own.

Poor BA. :whiner:

And yet he ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY, so how can anyone "make excuses for him" except that "HE ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY"?

to repeat: :rolleyes:He was given his shot in 2006. The organization had so much confidence in the guy, they just handed him a starting job. Then, he showed nearly nothing at the plate, was the ultimate rally killer, and had a bad attitude to go with it. You're struggling, and you won't even take advice from the coaches? That's not going to score many brownie points with the organization, unless you're a 10-year vet and you've earned the right to have that attitude.

You're feeling sorry for the guy, when he put himself into the predicament he's in. It wasn't Ozzie, Greg Walker, the White Sox as a whole, etc....it was Brian Anderson. He's admitted to it...I think it's about damn time you did too.

WizardsofOzzie
03-25-2008, 09:33 AM
AJ is going to go "Iron Man" this year and catch all 162 games. Hall is just there for show/short relief.
I think Phillips could have handled the backup role until Hall was really ready to play, which he doesn't seem like he's up for right now

The Immigrant
03-25-2008, 09:34 AM
Based on Ozzie's comment in the papers this morning....he indicates Hall is making the team.

This team apparently doesn't believe in the concept of sunk costs.

RowanDye
03-25-2008, 09:36 AM
Anderson - starting in CF
Quentin - getting 500 ABs by giving JD & Swisher days off, DHing vs. most LHP instead of Thome, giving PK days off by covering for Swish who moves to 1B, and giving Anderson days off by moving Swish to CF
Owens - Charlotte Knights
Uribe - waivers
Crede - waivers
Masset - waivers
Wassermann - righty specialist; no LR, but Wassermann is probably better vs. LH than Masset is at anything
Fields - 3B
The Cuban Bad Nickname - starting 2B
Bourgeois - back-up IF

Wassermann was really bad vs. LH last year though. It sounds like he has made some adjustments this spring, but it would be nice to have some LR.

The other thing about going with Masset is that it gives us some depth in the minors with Wassermann. If we release Masset, who is the first man up from Charlotte? Broadway?

WizardsofOzzie
03-25-2008, 09:43 AM
This team apparently doesn't believe in the concept of sunk costs.
I'd say so. A 1-13 performance with 8 SB allowed and 0 runners thrown out in just over 35 innings apparently gets you onto the roster :scratch:

The_Floridian
03-25-2008, 09:57 AM
I'd say so. A 1-13 performance with 8 SB allowed and 0 runners thrown out in just over 35 innings apparently gets you onto the roster :scratch:

By comparison, on the defensive front, Phillips has also had 8 baserunners attempt to steal on him. He's thrown out 5 of them.

And he's also hitting .292 with nearly twice as many at bats. And he's caught more games. And he isn't coming off an injury.

This should be a pretty easy decision. Wonder what the justification would be for keeping Hall up. You know, other than sunk money...

roylestillman
03-25-2008, 09:58 AM
BA played himself onto the roster, but I think Phillips did also. Toby looks like he's not back yet.

kobo
03-25-2008, 10:00 AM
BA has shown more than Quentin has at this point. He should be on the roster.

Tragg
03-25-2008, 10:05 AM
I don't understand the poll: Quentin and Anderson should make this roster. One of Uribe, Ozuna, Owens should not.

LITTLE NELL
03-25-2008, 10:06 AM
Being fully caught up in Brian's play, I want him to be the starter in center. Start Carlos in AAA and let the shoulder heal. Trade Dye at the break and have Owens, Anderson and Quentin in the OF for the run to the title.
And where does Swisher play?

TomBradley72
03-25-2008, 10:08 AM
I don't understand the poll: Quentin and Anderson should make this roster. One of Uribe, Ozuna, Owens should not.

Ozzie has already stated the Uribe, Ozuna and Owens have made the team.

veeter
03-25-2008, 10:10 AM
And where does Swisher play?You're the second guy that's asked me that. I'm working on it.

California Sox
03-25-2008, 10:13 AM
Ozzie loves the versatile slap hitters.

I'm a big BA supporter but if Quentin is healthy (and he looked good against the Cubs) he will make the team.

It's beginning to look like KW overspent on outfielders during the offseason. If Quentin can't even make the team, why did we give up our best batting prospect for him?

If we were going on performance the guy who wouldn't make the team would be Dye. He looks like 2007 first-half Jermaine.

Taliesinrk
03-25-2008, 10:16 AM
You're the second guy that's asked me that. I'm working on it.

Hello?!? Of course, Swisher rotates between 1B, LF, and DH while Pauly rotates between DH and 1B when we trade JT for prospects.

P.S. I'm not sure whether this should be in teal or pink

veeter
03-25-2008, 10:31 AM
Hello?!? Of course, Swisher plays rotates between 1B, LF, and DH while Pauly rotates between DH and 1B when we trade JT for prospects.

P.S. I'm not sure whether this should be in teal or pink:nod:

TomBradley72
03-25-2008, 10:34 AM
You're the second guy that's asked me that. I'm working on it.

The embryonic stage of a "Do We Re-Sign Thome?" thread?

PalehosePlanet
03-25-2008, 11:16 AM
Too bad Owens isn't on the choice list; he's the 5th best OF'er we have.

Also Quentin looks to be at 100% to me, he doesn't need to rehab. BA, on the other hand, has teased us before.

I do think that they both should be on the team, but given the choice, I'd go w/Carlos.

voodoochile
03-25-2008, 11:21 AM
Ba

santo=dorf
03-25-2008, 11:23 AM
1. I'm not going to make excuses for him. Then whine like you and many others will do if he's struggling and not getting much playing time because of it. The official symbol of BA supporters: :whiner:
2. I haven't 'given up.' In the past, he played like ****, and had a ****ty attitude to go with it. He didn't deserve to play. He 'appears' to have changed his attitude...let's see if that actually translates to success, though.

But please continue to tell me what I think. :rolleyes:
You still think Brian Anderson will be a "star?"

Does Brian's current great ST performance mean nothing like last year's? Of course you pointed to Brian's strong spring back in 2006 and how he should have been playing as late as July 2006.

http://thefuntimesguide.com/images/blogs/flip_flop_bookmark.jpg
:rolleyes:

kittle42
03-25-2008, 11:40 AM
Making excuses? Like "He's not getting any at bats except against Sabathia, Santana, and Verlanders"? Gosh...what pathetic EXCUSES



And yet he ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY, so how can anyone "make excuses for him" except that "HE ISN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY"?

to repeat: :rolleyes:

It is posts like this that sometimes make me wish Anderson would give up baseball tomorrow. I do not want him to fail because I don't want any player hurting the Sox as a team, but I am still just flabbergasted by the continued support of a player who has done nothing to merit any support. I flat out asked the question of why someone would care so much about such a mediocre/disappointing player and received only one answer. I really wonder if any of you actually do know the reason.

BringBackBlkJack
03-25-2008, 12:00 PM
I say get rid of Dotel and bring 'em both.

JermaineDye05
03-25-2008, 12:04 PM
Can't we have Wasserman AND Masset while sending MacDougal down? Ehren just doesn't seem like a long relief man.

duke of dorwood
03-25-2008, 12:31 PM
Not keeping Anderson just sends a bad message that coming to camp in shape, and winning a competition still gets you sent down .

soxinem1
03-25-2008, 12:38 PM
BA all the way!!!!

The Immigrant
03-25-2008, 12:58 PM
I flat out asked the question of why someone would care so much about such a mediocre/disappointing player and received only one answer. I really wonder if any of you actually do know the reason.

Because everyone else that has played CF for us since 2006 has been just as disappointing. Anderson at least has upside that some of us hope will eventually be realized. If we are stuck with mediocre/disappointing players in CF, I prefer the one with the best chance of at least having replacement player value.

sox1970
03-25-2008, 01:20 PM
Quentin's in the lineup today. BA's on the bench.

Not reading into it. Just sayin'.

Lukin13
03-25-2008, 01:39 PM
Send Owens down.

SoxNation05
03-25-2008, 01:39 PM
So we traded Chris Carter why?

thomas35forever
03-25-2008, 01:41 PM
BA has proved throughout ST that he deserves another chance to make a difference on this team. If he gets sent back down, it will just prove Ozzie's grudge against him.

MCHSoxFan
03-25-2008, 01:53 PM
I know people may get REALLY, REALLY mad when I say this. I am gonna say it anyway:

I AM, YES I AM, VERY HAPPY JERRY OWENS MADE THIS TEAM.

Now, I like Carlos. However, I would rather have BA ONLY because Carlos is slightly hurt/injured. I do admit that BA has done a GREAT job in ST this season. I did like his glove in 2006.

kittle42
03-25-2008, 02:10 PM
There's really a lot of ridiculousness in this thread.

Frater Perdurabo
03-25-2008, 02:39 PM
Anderson

hi im skot
03-25-2008, 02:50 PM
Ellis Burks.

KRS1
03-25-2008, 03:16 PM
Carrying Brian, and letting Carlos take his time getting back to full speed in the minors is what is good for the club now, and in the future. You take the guy who is hot, and has proven himself in about every way imaginable, and that allows you to not only see if he is really matured and grown into a willing major leaguer, but if he could possibly be the full-time CF we once were sure he was. That also gives Carlos time to make sure he doesn't fall into the same situation as last year, when he was forced into pushing himself through an injury. Making sure Carlos is completely healthy by taking it slow with him is very much the prudent thing to do, because he has been a complete stud in the past when injuries weren't a problem. It's a win-win situation in my mind, Brian has earned a spot on this club, and that not only gives us the luxury of making sure Carlos is completely ready to make a big impact, but it also gives us new hope for BA and his future with our team.

KRS1
03-25-2008, 03:21 PM
So we traded Chris Carter why?

Because based on Carlos' equal or greater upside, as well as advanced level of experience, it was way too good a deal to pass up. Carlos doesn't have to start with the club just because we traded a good low-level prospect for him. We need him to be able to go full-out and make an impact, and when you have a fresh injury in the back of your mind, you just can't do that. Let him build his confidence, and health back up in Charlotte so he can go all-out when his time comes.

Hitmen77
03-25-2008, 03:28 PM
Carrying Brian, and letting Carlos take his time getting back to full speed in the minors is what is good for the club now, and in the future. You take the guy who is hot, and has proven himself in about every way imaginable, and that allows you to not only see if he is really matured and grown into a willing major leaguer, but if he could possibly be the full-time CF we once were sure he was. That also gives Carlos time to make sure he doesn't fall into the same situation as last year, when he was forced into pushing himself through an injury. Making sure Carlos is completely healthy by taking it slow with him is very much the prudent thing to do, because he has been a complete stud in the past when injuries weren't a problem. It's a win-win situation in my mind, Brian has earned a spot on this club, and that not only gives us the luxury of making sure Carlos is completely ready to make a big impact, but it also gives us new hope for BA and his future with our team.

Agreed. Well said.

I'm eager to see what Quentin can do for us and hope to see him soon. But let's go with BA now and see if he can carry over his spring performance in real games. BA has been healthy all spring plus he is a great defensive CF. If he flops again, then we can bring up Quentin (assuming he's completely healed).

DickAllen72
03-25-2008, 03:37 PM
If you asked me this a month or so ago I never would have believed that I'd be saying this, but Brian Anderson has earned that spot on the Sox 25 man roster!

Tragg
03-25-2008, 03:39 PM
I guess Anderson over Quentin then, although both should make the team. How much veteran hacking does this club need?

Metalthrasher442
03-25-2008, 03:39 PM
I would like to see Anderson go up there until Quentin is healthy. I mean 100% healthy. A 100% healthy Quentin has great potential to help this ball club..and I think a 100% healthy Quentin deserves his time in the regular season. Anderson has earned his spot on the roster..to start the season. That's all he's earned.

KRS1
03-25-2008, 03:53 PM
I guess Anderson over Quentin then, although both should make the team. How much veteran hacking does this club need?

What veteran hackers are taking spots from them? Dye and Swisher are the only vets who occupy positions they could be considered at, and those are two guys I want on my team.

spiffie
03-25-2008, 03:56 PM
What veteran hackers are taking spots from them? Dye and Swisher are the only vets who occupy positions they could be considered at, and those are two guys I want on my team.
Owens being a year older than Anderson has somehow turned him into a "veteran hacker" in Tragg's eyes I suspect. Kind of like how the 16 career starts Cliff Politte had in his career made him a "converted starter" for the 2005 bullpen.

KRS1
03-25-2008, 03:57 PM
Owens being a year older than Anderson has somehow turned him into a "veteran hacker" in Tragg's eyes.

Well, his slow, ugly, loopy, and long swing does make him a hacker in my mind. :D:

Cuck the Fubs
03-25-2008, 04:38 PM
Gotta go with Anderson.........he's clearly earned it, and it healthy.

Carlos looks to be a big part of our future, so send him down and let him get healthy!

WhiteSox5187
03-25-2008, 04:45 PM
Quentin hasn't shown me anything this spring and I think that's because he's hurt. Meanwhile BA has played his ass off this spring and is our best defensive OF. Now BA is not assured a spot on this team in the long run, if he's struggling and Quentin is tearing it up come May, I'd have no problem sending down BA and calling up Quentin. But for right now, BA should be our guy.

voodoochile
03-25-2008, 05:55 PM
Quentin hasn't shown me anything this spring and I think that's because he's hurt. Meanwhile BA has played his ass off this spring and is our best defensive OF. Now BA is not assured a spot on this team in the long run, if he's struggling and Quentin is tearing it up come May, I'd have no problem sending down BA and calling up Quentin. But for right now, BA should be our guy.

He has a great swing. He's gonna hit a ton, IMO.

SoxSpeed22
03-25-2008, 06:02 PM
I'll take a healthy Anderson over an injured Quentin. Quentin has better potential, but that doesn't mean much when he's hurt.

Sockinchisox
03-25-2008, 06:16 PM
Well, both of them are going on the 25 man now.

California Sox
03-25-2008, 06:21 PM
I wonder how Ozzie's going to divvy up at bats between all these right-handed hitters. Basically you've got Uribe, Ramirez, Anderson, and Quentin dividing two spots. Personally, I'd have Ramirez start the season in AAA playing short, but that boat has sailed.

oeo
03-25-2008, 06:24 PM
Owens being a year older than Anderson has somehow turned him into a "veteran hacker" in Tragg's eyes I suspect. Kind of like how the 16 career starts Cliff Politte had in his career made him a "converted starter" for the 2005 bullpen.

No, I think Tragg's word for Owens is a 'slapper.' You're either a 'hacker' or a 'slapper'...I think. :dunno:

Sockinchisox
03-25-2008, 06:25 PM
I wonder how Ozzie's going to divvy up at bats between all these right-handed hitters. Basically you've got Uribe, Ramirez, Anderson, and Quentin dividing two spots. Personally, I'd have Ramirez start the season in AAA playing short, but that boat has sailed.

Well obviously Anderson is going to be playing the majority of CF. If he falters at the plate then Quentin will get his shot.

JB98
03-25-2008, 06:55 PM
I'll take a healthy Anderson over an injured Quentin. Quentin has better potential, but that doesn't mean much when he's hurt.

I don't think Quentin is hurt. Perhaps he needs some time to get his swing back in order because of the time he has missed, but he looked great at the plate in Sunday's game against KC.

Looks like both BA and Quentin will make the club now. Anderson is going to get his shot here the first couple weeks.

gogosox16
03-25-2008, 07:06 PM
I really think that Quentin should start in AAA to get consistent playing time while Burgeous takes his spot on the team. Quentin needs to play since he has missed a lot of baseball and he is the future Rf for the Sox and he justs needs to be able to stay healthy and get his at-bats

FarWestChicago
03-25-2008, 09:15 PM
I guess Anderson over Quentin then, although both should make the team. How much veteran hacking does this club need?You forgot the "slapping" part. You're slipping.

FarWestChicago
03-25-2008, 09:28 PM
Ba

sullythered
03-25-2008, 09:37 PM
I think BA should not only get the spot, he should start. He is our only center fielder. Hell, as far as I can tell he might be the only center fielder in the whole damn system.

BoysMom3
03-25-2008, 11:43 PM
Ba

WhiteSox5187
03-26-2008, 03:03 AM
Ba
I think this is the first time I've seen you post in the White Sox Clubhouse! Awesome!


With Owens on the DL I think it's a possibility both could make the team now.

harwar
03-26-2008, 04:14 AM
No matter how the team fares,it does my heart good to see an accomplished defensive player patrolling center field.Brian hands down.

TornLabrum
03-26-2008, 07:52 AM
I don't think Quentin is fully recovered. BA.