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Lillian
03-24-2008, 07:31 AM
We've had several discussions in various threads regarding Roster spots, but I would like to read your thoughts on what the final roster should be.
Most of the names are obvious to all of us, and probably don't merit any discussion, barring any actual, or proposed trades. So given the current 40 man Roster, who should be on the Major League 25 man squad?

The questions regard the bench players like Ozuna, Anderson, Hall, Phillips, Ramirez, Fields, and Quentin. The Bullpen looks set with the final spot likely to be filled with either Masset or Wasserman.

Here are a few thoughts:
First, the bench can only be properly evaluated after settling the few questions regarding the starting line up. Since, as I have asserted earlier, I think that Anderson should be starting in CF, I believe that Owens should be the speed guy to be used as a pinch runner, and occasional lead off hitter vs. some right handers, or even as a pinch hitter leading off.
The outfield defense of Swisher, Owens and Dye is just not very good, and at the very least, should be switched, in the late innings with a lead, to Swisher, Anderson, and Dye.

Every bench should have at least one serious power threat from the right side of the plate. Quentin probably needs to start the year at AAA, until his shoulder is 100%, and his timing is back. That leaves Fields and Ramirez as the only two guys who could provide some right handed thunder, off the bench. I know that K.W. has stated emphatically that they would not have Crede and Fields on the same team, but I really wish that they would rethink that postion. Fields brings the potential to fill three possible needs: First, he could platoon with Thome vs. Lefties, something which I have been advocating for some time now. Second, he could spell Crede, who would likely benefit from an occasional day off. And finally, he provides that serious right handed power threat off the bench.

Unfortunately, if they opt to keep both Ramirez and Fields, the odd man out here would be Pablo.
I love Pablo, and his presence provides speed, and a potential right handed lead off hitter. However, since the choice is probably between Ramirez and Ozuna, I think I'd prefer the kid. Pablo will turn 34 this summer, and I'm not convinced that he is running as well as he used to. Perhaps he's still suffering from the after effects of the broken leg. The best argument against keeping Ramirez is that playing everyday at AAA might be better for his development. However, if the only consideration is who helps the Big League club the most, I think he does bring more to the table than Pablo.

Paul Phillips should probably get the back up catcher's job, but I doubt that the Sox are ready to release Hall. I wish they would put him on the DL. Isn't the back up catcher's biggest responsibility to call a decent game, catch everything, and stop runners from running at will on the bases? I don't think Hall can do that.

The final spot in the Pen seems to be between Masset and Wasserman. Masset is out of options, which probably gives him the edge over Wasserman.
The other plus for him is that he could be the best candidate for the "Long Man", out of the Pen. That said, you really have to love Wasserman as a right handed specialist. He is very tough on right handed hitters.

Well, those are just a few thoughts, but you all probably have lots of ideas, and they would make interesting reading, so please share your thoughts.

veeter
03-24-2008, 08:34 AM
My first thought is, I'm glad I'm not Kenny Williams. I'm suddenly worried that Ramirez can't hit a breaking ball. AND that he and Pablo serve the same purpose. My dream would be to have an outfield of Owens in left, Brian in center and Quentin in right. But I know we'll be happy to have Dye when the bell rings. Sending Fields down is crazy, but may be necessary I don't know. What I do know is when the regular season starts, these "problems" of, having too many players for too few spots, work themselves out. Injuries happen and mostly, guys prove they're worthy or not. What has to happen is the guys who get sent down, keep battling, because chances are they'll be up soon. If they're not, that means the guys they kept are doing the job.

Carolina Kenny
03-24-2008, 08:49 AM
We've had several discussions in various threads regarding Roster spots, but I would like to read your thoughts on what the final roster should be.
Most of the names are obvious to all of us, and probably don't merit any discussion, barring any actual, or proposed trades. So given the current 40 man Roster, who should be on the Major League 25 man squad?

The questions regard the bench players like Ozuna, Anderson, Hall, Phillips, Ramirez, Fields, and Quentin. The Bullpen looks set with the final spot likely to be filled with either Masset or Wasserman.

Here are a few thoughts:
First, the bench can only be properly evaluated after settling the few questions regarding the starting line up. Since, as I have asserted earlier, I think that Anderson should be starting in CF, I believe that Owens should be the speed guy to be used as a pinch runner, and occasional lead off hitter vs. some right handers, or even as a pinch hitter leading off.
The outfield defense of Swisher, Owens and Dye is just not very good, and at the very least, should be switched, in the late innings with a lead, to Swisher, Anderson, and Dye.

Every bench should have at least one serious power threat from the right side of the plate. Quentin probably needs to start the year at AAA, until his shoulder is 100%, and his timing is back. That leaves Fields and Ramirez as the only two guys who could provide some right handed thunder, off the bench. I know that K.W. has stated emphatically that they would not have Crede and Fields on the same team, but I really wish that they would rethink that postion. Fields brings the potential to fill three possible needs: First, he could platoon with Thome vs. Lefties, something which I have been advocating for some time now. Second, he could spell Crede, who would likely benefit from an occasional day off. And finally, he provides that serious right handed power threat off the bench.

Unfortunately, if they opt to keep both Ramirez and Fields, the odd man out here would be Pablo.
I love Pablo, and his presence provides speed, and a potential right handed lead off hitter. However, since the choice is probably between Ramirez and Ozuna, I think I'd prefer the kid. Pablo will turn 34 this summer, and I'm not convinced that he is running as well as he used to. Perhaps he's still suffering from the after effects of the broken leg. The best argument against keeping Ramirez is that playing everyday at AAA might be better for his development. However, if the only consideration is who helps the Big League club the most, I think he does bring more to the table than Pablo.

Paul Phillips should probably get the back up catcher's job, but I doubt that the Sox are ready to release Hall. I wish they would put him on the DL. Isn't the back up catcher's biggest responsibility to call a decent game, catch everything, and stop runners from running at will on the bases? I don't think Hall can do that.

The final spot in the Pen seems to be between Masset and Wasserman. Masset is out of options, which probably gives him the edge over Wasserman.
The other plus for him is that he could be the best candidate for the "Long Man", out of the Pen. That said, you really have to love Wasserman as a right handed specialist. He is very tough on right handed hitters.

Well, those are just a few thoughts, but you all probably have lots of ideas, and they would make interesting reading, so please share your thoughts.

I agree with your summary of the last available roster spots.

1. Quentin can continue his rehab in Charlotte. Let's see what the 2008 version of J.Dye brings. Hopefully he can still be productive at bat. Its looking like this might be Dye's last year in RF for the Sox if his defense continues to decline.

2. I would like to see Fields remain on the roster in the role you described.

3. I favor keeping Rameriz in favor of Pablo. I am a big Pablo fan, but Rameriz has much greater upside. I have not heard anything about Pablo being slower now. If that is the case it makes adding Rameriz more important.

4. Too bad for old Toby. His Sox experience has been a bust so far. If he still can't throw he should go on the DL.

5. Because Masset is out of options, he gets the nod. He is the sacrificial lamb of the pitching staff. Run him out in blow out games.

JohnTucker0814
03-24-2008, 09:09 AM
Here is what I want the 25 man to look like:

c - Pierzynski
c - Phillips
1b - Konerko
1b/dh - Thome
2b/ss/cf - Ramirez
2b/ss/3b - Ozuna
3b - Crede (if crede gets traded bring Quinten/Bourgeois)
3b - Fields
ss - Cabrera
lf/cf/1b - Swisher
cf - Owens
rf - Dye
lf/cf/rf - Anderson

sp - Buehrle
sp - Vazquez
sp - Contreras
sp - Danks
sp - Floyd
cl - Jenks
su - Dotel
su - Linebrink
mr - Logan
mr - Wasserman
lr - Massett

This means we cut Uribe, Thornton & MacDougal...

I think this gives us the most flexability!

BRDSR
03-24-2008, 09:47 AM
This means we cut Uribe, Thornton & MacDougal...

I think this gives us the most flexability!

There's no buyout option on Uribe. Cutting him means eating $4.5M in salary. That's just not going to happen. He's had a good spring (only 3 Ks, wow) and will definitely make the club if he's not traded. My guess is he takes Fields' spot on your roster, although I hate that solution. Crede should have been traded months ago, weeks ago, days ago, today, or tomorrow.

I'm torn on what to do with MacDougal, but I agree that he's probably off the team. He had a brief string of good outings this spring but I just don't see him on this squad. Does he have options left?

How in God's name do you have Thornton not on this team? If I have to watch Boone Logan give up 7th inning leads on two run doubles in the gap this summer, then I have no idea why the Sox made the bullpen moves that they did. Thornton will make the club.

soxfan21
03-24-2008, 09:50 AM
Here is what I want the 25 man to look like:

c - Pierzynski
c - Phillips
1b - Konerko
1b/dh - Thome
2b/ss/cf - Ramirez
2b/ss/3b - Ozuna
3b - Crede (if crede gets traded bring Quinten/Bourgeois)
3b - Fields
ss - Cabrera
lf/cf/1b - Swisher
cf - Owens
rf - Dye
lf/cf/rf - Anderson

sp - Buehrle
sp - Vazquez
sp - Contreras
sp - Danks
sp - Floyd
cl - Jenks
su - Dotel
su - Linebrink
mr - Logan
mr - Wasserman
lr - Massett

This means we cut Uribe, Thornton & MacDougal...

I think this gives us the most flexability!

You have a pretty good list here, but I doubt that Uribe will be cut. He will be the starting second baseman against right handed pitchers. Fields will start the season in AAA barring a trade or an injury to Crede. MacDougal has been looking pretty good recently and I think both Ozzie and Cooper are confident that he is going to turn it around this year. I don't really know about Thornton, he did not look very good in his last outing. Finally, either Massett or Wassermann will be in the majors this year but not both. Ozzie has been saying that this is his hardest decision to make between those two pitchers for that final bullpen spot.

rookieroy
03-24-2008, 10:16 AM
I might be wrong, but, doesn't Uribe, MacDougal and Thorton have contracts totallying around 8-9 million or so? I'm sure KW is working the phones pretty hard these days. I don't think Thorton is going anywhere. I would think some of these guys will be traded and the Sox eat a good portion of the contract.....not too nummy!!!!!

TomBradley72
03-24-2008, 10:34 AM
Our overall organizational depth is in a horrible state. There is a huge void between the major league roster and the next "wave" of prospects that will help the big league club...most seem to be at the A level.

We're not in a position to just release talent that might be able to help us. We will carry 12 pitchers and we need Wassermann as a 'spare part" at AAA and we need to keep Masset because he's out of options. We need to retain Thornton and MacDougal as well.

If we have the option...Ozuna may need to go to AAA until we can trade Uribe. We need someone to be a 3B alternative to Crede. Not sure we can carry Ramirez and Uribe and Ozuna on the same roster. If we DO go that route...then either Quentin or Anderson are headed to Charlotte.

Tragg
03-24-2008, 10:45 AM
Our overall organizational depth is in a horrible state. There is a huge void between the major league roster and the next "wave" of prospects that will help the big league club...most seem to be at the A level.

We're not in a position to just release talent that might be able to help us. We will carry 12 pitchers and we need Wassermann as a 'spare part" at AAA and we need to keep Masset because he's out of options. We need to retain Thornton and MacDougal as well.


Interesting points. One area in which we may have some depth is in middle relief. If we are lucky and everyone has a good year, we might be able to slide a middle reliever to someone in July for a legitimate prospect. That is when the price of middle relief is at is highest. The Padres took that a step higher by trading their "Set up" man for prime return...we won't do that, but one of the others perhaps (MacDougal or Thornton).

My bench would be Ozuna, Ramirez, Quinten/Anderson (whoever isn't starting), Phillips and probably Fields. On edit, I'm short one, as Ouna or Ramirez will start...oh, well, I guess 1 of Owens or Bougerois

voodoochile
03-24-2008, 10:59 AM
Our overall organizational depth is in a horrible state. There is a huge void between the major league roster and the next "wave" of prospects that will help the big league club...most seem to be at the A level.

We're not in a position to just release talent that might be able to help us. We will carry 12 pitchers and we need Wassermann as a 'spare part" at AAA and we need to keep Masset because he's out of options. We need to retain Thornton and MacDougal as well.

If we have the option...Ozuna may need to go to AAA until we can trade Uribe. We need someone to be a 3B alternative to Crede. Not sure we can carry Ramirez and Uribe and Ozuna on the same roster. If we DO go that route...then either Quentin or Anderson are headed to Charlotte.

But the Sox have:

38 - entering 1st full season - Fields
28 X2 - entering first full season - Richar and Ramirez
SS - entering first full season Ramirez
OF X3 - entering first full season - Anderson, Owens and Quentin (add in Ramirez if the Sox extend Cabrera)
SP - entering first full season - Floyd (though he's tried it before and failed at a very young age)
SP - entering second full season - Danks

and Swisher...

When you have that much very young very flexible talent on the ML roster, organizational depth seems to be a moot point. :scratch:

spawn
03-24-2008, 11:06 AM
But the Sox have:

38 - entering 1st full season - Fields
28 X2 - entering first full season - Richar and Ramirez
SS - entering first full season Ramirez
OF X3 - entering first full season - Anderson, Owens and Quentin (add in Ramirez if the Sox extend Cabrera)
SP - entering first full season - Floyd (though he's tried it before and failed at a very young age)
SP - entering second full season - Danks

and Swisher...

When you have that much very young very flexible talent on the ML roster, organizational depth seems to be a moot point. :scratch:
Voodoo, I really wish you would stop making sense. It's really starting to get annoying.

Tragg
03-24-2008, 11:08 AM
But the Sox have:

38 - entering 1st full season - Fields
28 X2 - entering first full season - Richar and Ramirez
SS - entering first full season Ramirez
OF X3 - entering first full season - Anderson, Owens and Quentin (add in Ramirez if the Sox extend Cabrera)
SP - entering first full season - Floyd (though he's tried it before and failed at a very young age)
SP - entering second full season - Danks

and Swisher...

When you have that much very young very flexible talent on the ML roster, organizational depth seems to be a moot point. :scratch:
We have some youth on the ML roster, but it doesn't leave much room for error.
The 2 pitchers are starting; and the 6 young position players will be needed to man 4 spots.
Not much room for injuries; not much room to maneuver if this isn't a WS roster.
Not much room to maneuver if the players don't pan out - and none of Fields, Owens, Ramirez, Quentin, Richar, Anderson, Danks or Floyd has proven that they are a ML player -yet.

btrain929
03-24-2008, 11:15 AM
But the Sox have:

38 - entering 1st full season - Fields
28 X2 - entering first full season - Richar and Ramirez
SS - entering first full season Ramirez
OF X3 - entering first full season - Anderson, Owens and Quentin (add in Ramirez if the Sox extend Cabrera)
SP - entering first full season - Floyd (though he's tried it before and failed at a very young age)
SP - entering second full season - Danks

and Swisher...

When you have that much very young very flexible talent on the ML roster, organizational depth seems to be a moot point. :scratch:

That's exactly what I think. We used our near ready prospects for young, ready/proven commodities in Quentin, Richar, Danks, Floyd, and Swisher lately. I'm very confident in Quentin, Danks, and Swisher. Richar and Floyd will be interesting to see. But in the past 2 years, we have injected a lot of quality youth into our ballclub, making organization depth in our minors NOT a dire need.

btrain929
03-24-2008, 11:16 AM
We have some youth on the ML roster, but it doesn't leave much room for error.
The 2 pitchers are starting; and the 6 young position players will be needed to man 4 spots.
Not much room for injuries; not much room to maneuver if this isn't a WS roster.
Not much room to maneuver if the players don't pan out - and none of Fields, Owens, Ramirez, Quentin, Richar, Anderson, Danks or Floyd has proven that they are a ML player -yet.

How many of them have had more than 1 year to prove they are a ML player? You can't expect every prospect to produce as quickly as Ryan Howard, Troy Tulowitski, and Ryan Braun.

TomBradley72
03-24-2008, 11:21 AM
But the Sox have:

38 - entering 1st full season - Fields
28 X2 - entering first full season - Richar and Ramirez
SS - entering first full season Ramirez
OF X3 - entering first full season - Anderson, Owens and Quentin (add in Ramirez if the Sox extend Cabrera)
SP - entering first full season - Floyd (though he's tried it before and failed at a very young age)
SP - entering second full season - Danks

and Swisher...

When you have that much very young very flexible talent on the ML roster, organizational depth seems to be a moot point. :scratch:

I don't think so. While I do like the overall make up of the 25 man roster at the major league level, I wouldn't describe any of the players you refer to as "very young"...for the most part they range in age from 25-27..and have yet to prove themselves at the major league level. They could turn out solid...or they could be "AAAA" type players.

Secondly, my concern is our organizational depth in the event of injuries...when the dust settles and we see the starting line ups and starting rotations for Charlotte and Birmingham..we'll see that the only players that could possibly help us in 2008 (and possibly 2009) are guys like Bourgoise (a 6 year minor leaguer), Broadway, Russell, Getz, etc.

Other than Fields....there's not much to get excited about between Chicago and the single A level. If we have to tap into the farm system for help(including trade bait) due to injury this year...the cupboard is pretty bare and it's probably going to be that way for another year or two until the guys at A have had a chance to progress to AA/AAA.

sox1970
03-24-2008, 11:22 AM
That's exactly what I think. We used our near ready prospects for young, ready/proven commodities in Quentin, Richar, Danks, Floyd, and Swisher lately. I'm very confident in Quentin, Danks, and Swisher. Richar and Floyd will be interesting to see. But in the past 2 years, we have injected a lot of quality youth into our ballclub, making organization depth in our minors NOT a dire need.

Regarding Floyd and Danks, I'm the opposite. Floyd is going to have a good season. Watching Danks on Sunday was a flashback to the second half of 2007. Danks is capable of ruining this bullpen.

TomBradley72
03-24-2008, 11:25 AM
for young, ready/proven commodities in Quentin, Richar, Danks, Floyd, and Swisher lately.

Other than Swisher...how have Quentin, Richar, Danks or Floyd "proven themselves"?

I believe they could be good (especially Danks and Quentin)...but it's over-reaching to describe them as proven.

btrain929
03-24-2008, 11:28 AM
Other than Swisher...how have Quentin, Richar, Danks or Floyd "proven themselves"?

I believe they could be good (especially Danks and Quentin)...but it's over-reaching to describe them as proven.

That's why I put "ready SLASH proven." I meant that slash as an "or" basically. Swisher is proven, and Quentin Floyd and Danks are ML ready. Minor league time won't do them any good. Now, they just need to get the ML experience under their belt, adjust when they need to, and be effective.

Tragg
03-24-2008, 11:30 AM
How many of them have had more than 1 year to prove they are a ML player? .
None.
How many have proven that they are major league players? Also none.
I didn't say they weren't major league players; I said that they haven't proven it.

2 things I like the roster - first, it's good that there isn't some mediocre veteran outfielder hanging around the bench of this roster to throw in there if Anderson or Owens struggle. (that's why i hoped and still do that Williams would move Uribe). Like you said, how many have been given a chance? Although, on re-consideration, Ozzie could put Ozuna in left every day.

Second, if Ramirez can pick up the D (ideally he'd be in AAA) it would be nice not to sign Cabrera. 1 or 2 high draft choices are a high price for him and would be a nice jumpstart to getting some top young talent, a few years away.

veeter
03-24-2008, 12:56 PM
Regarding Floyd and Danks, I'm the opposite. Floyd is going to have a good season. Watching Danks on Sunday was a flashback to the second half of 2007. Danks is capable of ruining this bullpen.A lot of pressure has been put on a 22 y/o kid. It may take Danks a couple of seasons to "get it". Hopefully we don't ruin him. If he struggles, like he did yesterday, what the heck are the Sox going to do? Masset or Ohka? Kenny has seemingly assumed he'll be fine. Only time will tell.

sox1970
03-24-2008, 01:10 PM
A lot of pressure has been put on a 22 y/o kid. It may take Danks a couple of seasons to "get it". Hopefully we don't ruin him. If he struggles, like he did yesterday, what the heck are the Sox going to do? Masset or Ohka? Kenny has seemingly assumed he'll be fine. Only time will tell.

Hopefully it won't come to it, but I'm looking forward to seeing what type of season Jack Egbert has. It was too bad he was injured at the beginning of spring training. He would have been a pretty decent candidate for long relief.

veeter
03-24-2008, 01:28 PM
Hopefully it won't come to it, but I'm looking forward to seeing what type of season Jack Egbert has. It was too bad he was injured at the beginning of spring training. He would have been a pretty decent candidate for long relief.I like Egbert too. It comes down to throwing strikes. When John doesn't walk guys, he's effective. Control, or pitching to contact, comes with confidence. Once Garland stopped nibbling all the time, he started winning. If Danks starts walking guys they won't hesitate trying somebody else. I just hope Ozzie and Coop remember he's really just a kid.

palehozenychicty
03-24-2008, 03:39 PM
I like Egbert too. It comes down to throwing strikes. When John doesn't walk guys, he's effective. Control, or pitching to contact, comes with confidence. Once Garland stopped nibbling all the time, he started winning. If Danks starts walking guys they won't hesitate trying somebody else. I just hope Ozzie and Coop remember he's really just a kid.

Exactly. Give him a chance. Not every prospect sets the world on fire immediately.

russ99
03-24-2008, 04:16 PM
Here's my projected 25-man - taken from things I've heard from Ozzie and Kenny and a few guesses:

SP- Buehrle, Vazquez, Danks, Contreras, Floyd

As expected.

RP- Jenks, Linebrink, Thornton, Logan, Wassermann, 1 of MacDougal/Dotel.

My gut tells me Dotel will get sent down to get more work, as he's coming of a bad injury and has had a rough spring. Considering last year's bullpen, and a potential need to bring up an experienced guy a month down the road, I doubt he gets released.

Masset's fading late and Wassermann's coming on. There's too many days off in April to go with 12 pitchers. I know Masset has no options left, so I'm not sure if he's staying with the Sox. Plus, other players have a chance to make a bigger impact early on, like Ramirez, Quentin and Anderson, so I don't see him taking one of their spots.

C - Pierzynski, Hall

Since there's lots of days off the first month, I think they'll keep Hall on the MLB roster to see how well he responds to treatment. There's no need to bring Phillips up to ride the pine, yet... It would be better for Phillips to keep playing everyday in Charlotte.

IF - Konerko, Uribe, Cabrera, Crede, Ozuna, Ramirez

If Crede's with the big club, Fields is definitely going to AAA. If he were hitting .350 with 5 spring HRs it might have been different. I think Uribe will stay and play well, and Ramirez will get chances at all 3 positions + LF.

OF - Dye, Owens, Swisher, Quentin, Anderson

As expected, since Richar got hurt and broke the 6 players for 5 spots battle. If somehow Fields stays up (I doubt it) then Anderson may go down, since Quentin looks pretty good.

DH - Thome
I'm calling it - a great year for Big Jim.

If someone gets dealt, the Sox have room to add Fields or the 12th pitcher without cutting anyone.

Frater Perdurabo
03-24-2008, 04:32 PM
For me, the "regular" starting nine are: Thome, AJ, Paulie, Uribe, Cabrera, Crede, Swisher, Anderson and Dye.

The starting five pitchers are: Vazquez, Buehrle, Floyd, Contreras and Danks.

The bullpen is: Jenks, Linebrink, Dotel, MacDougal, Thornton, Logan and Wasserman.

That leaves four spots. Backup catcher is Phillips. Put Hall on the DL. I'd keep Fields to spell Crede at third and also DH/bat third against LHP, since Thome blows against LHP and Fields murders it. I also keep Ozuna (IF) and Owens (OF).

Whitesox029
03-24-2008, 07:15 PM
I guess I have my own version:

SP 1 Buehrle
SP 2 Vazquez
SP 3 Danks
SP 4 Contreras
SP 5 Floyd

Nothing more to say about that.

RP CL-Jenks
RP Setup- Thornton
RP Setup- Linebrink
RP Middle- Logan
RP Middle- Dotel
RP Middle- Macdougal
RP Long- Wasserman

MacDougal isn't having that bad a spring, and I think Dotel will be ok...I've not seen any indication that he's going to be so bad as to need to be sent down. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't put Thornton on here, as he's basically a lock in my book. I don't think Logan's quite ready to be the prime left-handed setup man. The pressure on him will be significantly less in a middle relief role. As for Masset, he doesn't seem to be making any significant progress, and I wouldn't be upset if he was lost on waivers. Wasserman could turn out to be a very good setup man in the future, and he needs to get a full season of experience.

CF Owens
SS Cabrera
1B Konerko
DH Thome
RF Dye
LF Swisher
3B Crede
C Pierzynski
2B Ramirez/Uribe

From what I've seen, Owens is going to be a quality leadoff hitter, and the only way he's going to improve defensively is to play every day. He certainly has the speed to play center, and he'll lead the league in stolen bases. The concerns I've heard about him have to do with his patience at the plate, and that kind of problem is much less worrisome to me than if he had mechanical problems with his swing. As he matures, he'll become more patient; he's that kind of hitter.

As for Fields, I disagree about having him on the bench. The primary concern with him is his defense, and, like Owens, he's not going to improve unless he's playing every day. In his case, that means starting in Charlotte until Crede is traded.

I think Ozzie should continue to platoon Ramirez and Uribe at 2nd until one becomes the obvious choice over the other.

That leaves a bench of:

Uribe/Ramirez
Phillips
Anderson
Ozuna

I am not worried about Pablo Ozuna. I don't see why anyone would be...he's hitting .354 again after today's game, much like he did when he made the team in spring '05. All he needs to be is a bat off the bench, and he's proven he can be that. In addition, and unlike Fields, he is tested in a pinch hitting role, and can be inserted into three different IF positions if needed.

As for the backup catcher, it seems like it's pretty much a consensus at WSI that it should be Phillips, and it seems like a consensus with Kenny and Ozzie that it should be Hall. This is probably because Hall has a history of being able to hit left-handed pitching. I don't buy it. Clearly, Hall can't be used to platoon against lefties because he can't throw anyone out. A backup catcher is supposed to be primarily a defensive tool as far as I'm concerned, and for resting the primary catcher.

As far as Anderson goes, he gives us a great deal of flexibility in that he can be used to rest any one of Konerko, Dye, Owens, Swisher, or Thome (Rest PK, Swisher at 1st, BA in left. Rest Thome, Swisher at DH or at 1st with PK at DH. Rest an outfielder, BA takes his place.) If he's spelling five different players in the lineup, he will probably get an appreciable amount of playing time. He also fills the power-hitting-righty space on the bench, yet another reason Josh Fields needs to start the season in AAA.

Lip Man 1
03-24-2008, 07:23 PM
For what it's worth Chicago Tribune Live! was talking about the Sox roster today. David Haugh was incredulous that both Fields and Anderson don't appear to be on the final roster.

He said that was because the Sox had made up their minds before spring training that they weren't going to be. He understands about Crede's situation but said it was the Sox job to "create a market" so that they could deal him to help their starting pitching as well as get Fields into the lineup full time.

He also can't understand the whole Uribe situation dating back to why he was re-signed in the first place.

Someone else from WGN radio (I don't recognize the name) said "what's the plan for this franchise?" That "Kenny always says he has a plan, but I can't see it."

Lip

Whitesox029
03-24-2008, 07:30 PM
For what it's worth Chicago Tribune Live! was talking about the Sox roster today. David Haugh was incredulous that both Fields and Anderson don't appear to be on the final roster.

He said that was because the Sox had made up their minds before spring training that they weren't going to be. He understands about Crede's situation but said it was the Sox job to "create a market" so that they could deal him to help their starting pitching as well as get Fields into the lineup full time.

He also can't understand the whole Uribe situation dating back to why he was re-signed in the first place.

Someone else from WGN radio (I don't recognize the name) said "what's the plan for this franchise?" That "Kenny always says he has a plan, but I can't see it."

Lip
I don't see any indication coming from the Sox that Anderson hasn't made the team...I will be very, very disappointed if they don't take him though. He deserves it. He's really put his money where his mouth used to be, and he should be rewarded for it.

TomBradley72
03-24-2008, 07:42 PM
David Haugh was incredulous that both Fields and Anderson don't appear to be on the final roster.

He understands about Crede's situation but said it was the Sox job to "create a market" so that they could deal him to help their starting pitching as well as get Fields into the lineup full time.

He also can't understand the whole Uribe situation dating back to why he was re-signed in the first place.

Someone else from WGN radio (I don't recognize the name) said "what's the plan for this franchise?" That "Kenny always says he has a plan, but I can't see it."

Lip

David Haugh sounds like an idiot.

How do you "create a market" for a veteran 3rd baseman coming off back surgery who will go free agent at the end of the season while being represented by Boras. The only team that would give you anything substantial would be a contender who believes Crede would be the guy to get them over the hump. Unless someone gets injured on a contending team...that scenario doesn't exist.

Fields has alot of work to do on defense...so he needs to work on that every day in Charlotte while Crede is still here. I haven't heard anything yet that says BA hasn't made the team.

The Uribe criticism is valid but we still might be able to unload him.

Lip Man 1
03-24-2008, 09:33 PM
Tom:

Chuck Garfein (who was hosting today) brought up the same points to Haugh about 3rd base, although he seems to think that Crede eventually will get traded because if he isn't, he walks and the Sox get nothing for him.

Lip

California Sox
03-24-2008, 11:51 PM
SP: Buerhle, Vazquez, Danks, Contreras, Floyd
RP: Jenks, Thornton, Logan, Dotel, Linebrink, Macdougal, Wasserman

C: Pierzynski, Hall
1b Paulie
2b Ozuna, Uribe, Ramirez
ss Cabrera
3b Crede
lf Swisher
cf Owens
rf Dye
dh Thome
backup of: Quentin

Fields and Anderson get sent down. Massett is released.

This is not the way I want it. This is my prediction of what they do.