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munchman33
03-19-2008, 02:33 PM
Just heard in the news update on the score that there are reports Uribe has been released. Not confirmed yet by White Sox.

If it's true....wow.

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 02:34 PM
:scratch:

The Sox will never swallow $5 million ...... we need source.


So no Richar then who starts at 2B? Roberts?

Jaffar
03-19-2008, 02:35 PM
Kenny's only option to prevent Ozzie from playing Uribe?

munchman33
03-19-2008, 02:35 PM
:scratch:

The Sox will never swallow $5 million ...... we need source.


So no Richar then who starts at 2B? Roberts?

Source is the score. It was in the news update.

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 02:36 PM
Kenny's only option to prevent Ozzie from playing Uribe?


LOL

chisoxmike
03-19-2008, 02:36 PM
I don't buy it.

sox1970
03-19-2008, 02:36 PM
He gone....B&B trying to confirm.

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:37 PM
:scratch:

The Sox will never swallow $5 million ...... we need source.

And that would be stupid. I'm sure they could get someone to take at least half of that.

I don't believe it.

Rocky Soprano
03-19-2008, 02:37 PM
Its confirmed?

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 02:37 PM
So we dump him and get nothing?

Something very strange.


:scratch:

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:38 PM
Kenny's only option to prevent Ozzie from playing Uribe?

Kenny signed him to the contract...

And while at the time we needed a SS, he's still the one who brought him back.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 02:38 PM
So we dump him and get nothing?

Something very strange.


:scratch:

Well, bringing him back was a gamble. We didn't really want him, and everyone knew it.

rdivaldi
03-19-2008, 02:39 PM
Your new starting 2B....Josh Fields. At least that's what the Reader told me.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 02:39 PM
Your new starting 2B....Josh Fields. At least that's what the Reader told me.

:rolling:

StatManDu
03-19-2008, 02:40 PM
Score reporting Sox released Juan Uribe.

esbrechtel
03-19-2008, 02:41 PM
if true....:scratch: who is our 2B? A not prepared Richar? A not prepared Alexi? Ozuna?

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 02:42 PM
This can't be, not after the reports we've heard about him starting at second.

sox1970
03-19-2008, 02:42 PM
if true....:scratch: who is our 2B? A not prepared Richar? A not prepared Alexi? Ozuna?

I think Richar will be the regular 2B, but Ramirez is going to make the team and get plenty of playing time at 2B and in CF.

esbrechtel
03-19-2008, 02:42 PM
see..."whats the score?" It is not confirmed by any other source so it belongs there anyways....

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:42 PM
if true....:scratch: who is our 2B? A not prepared Richar? A not prepared Alexi? Ozuna?

How is Richar not prepared? If he's healthy, he should be fine to go on Opening Day.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 02:42 PM
if true....:scratch: who is our 2B? A not prepared Richar? A not prepared Alexi? Ozuna?

Mark Ellis or Brian Roberts.

esbrechtel
03-19-2008, 02:43 PM
Mark Ellis or Brian Roberts.
Can't Giles play 2B?

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 02:43 PM
I had no problem Uribe playing the role of an Alex Cintron off the bench on this team, especially if Crede was going to be the starting 3B and Fields down in AAA. Uribe off the bench (not starter) is a pretty good asset IMO, better than just dumping $5 million for nothing.


Now, I guess Pablo (who's defense sucks IMO) will be that guy.


I'm getting itchy ......

pdimas
03-19-2008, 02:43 PM
:scratch: If this is true I don't see it making much sense unless they wanted to save some money and they felt Ramirez was more than adequate enough to fill the 2nd base slot. From the articles I have read lately it seemed like Ramirez was going to be used as a supersub and that Uribe would get second base. Hmm...

hi im skot
03-19-2008, 02:44 PM
I don't buy this.

chisoxmike
03-19-2008, 02:44 PM
:scratch: If this is true I don't see it making much sense unless they wanted to save some money and they felt Ramirez was more than adequate enough to fill the 2nd base slot. From the articles I have read lately it seemed like Ramirez was going to be used as a supersub and that Uribe would get second base. Hmm...

It's Danny Richar time, friend. :bandance:

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:45 PM
:scratch: If this is true I don't see it making much sense unless they wanted to save some money and they felt Ramirez was more than adequate enough to fill the 2nd base slot. From the articles I have read lately it seemed like Ramirez was going to be used as a supersub and that Uribe would get second base. Hmm...

How are they saving money? Saving money would be trading him, not releasing him.

hi im skot
03-19-2008, 02:45 PM
Is Konerko finally headed to the Angels, too?

CLR01
03-19-2008, 02:45 PM
:praying: :praying: :praying: :praying:

pdimas
03-19-2008, 02:46 PM
How are they saving money? Saving money would be trading him, not releasing him.

Thats right my bad.

CLR01
03-19-2008, 02:47 PM
if true....:scratch: who is our 2B? A not prepared Richar? A not prepared Alexi? Ozuna?


OMG...they might look clueless with the bat.

It's Dankerific
03-19-2008, 02:47 PM
Maybe Uribe has resigned.

jdm2662
03-19-2008, 02:47 PM
Uribe was the one player last season I wanted off the team despite not having a valid upgrade idea. I will be happy if he's gone. I just want him out of my misery forever! Of course, I do not believe in "sources" and I will wait for the White to annouce this themselves. Remember, it was the Score that started the Mark signing saga...

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:49 PM
Maybe he "shot" someone again?

pdimas
03-19-2008, 02:49 PM
It's Danny Richar time, friend. :bandance:

Hey mike is Richar ready? Don't get me wrong I loved his at bats last year. He always made the opposing pitcher work. But is he ready. Is his back all good. Honestly at this point I would rather have Ramirez at 2nd although as a supersub he would be awesome he just wouldn't have as many at bats.

CLR01
03-19-2008, 02:50 PM
Maybe he "shot" someone again?


Eh...$5 mil should be more than enough to buy his way out of that.

pdimas
03-19-2008, 02:50 PM
Maybe he "shot" someone again?

That's the first thing that popped into my mind hah :smile:

southsideirish71
03-19-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't like Uribe, and thought it was a waste to pick up his option. However, just cutting him and eating his salary is kind of dumb. If you think he cant make the team as the starter, make him your super sub.

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 02:51 PM
Uribe was the one player last season I wanted off the team despite not having a valid upgrade idea. I will be happy if he's gone. I just want him out of my misery forever! Of course, I do not believe in "sources" and I will wait for the White to annouce this themselves. Remember, it was the Score that started the Mark signing saga...


I don't want him as much as you do but not at the expense of pissing away $5 million for nothing, that's just bad business.

soxfan13
03-19-2008, 02:52 PM
I don't like Uribe, and thought it was a waste to pick up his option. However, just cutting him and eating his salary is kind of dumb. If you think he cant make the team as the starter, make him your super sub.

Dont you have to be good to do that:tongue:

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 02:53 PM
Hey mike is Richar ready? Don't get me wrong I loved his at bats last year. He always made the opposing pitcher work. But is he ready. Is his back all good. Honestly at this point I would rather have Ramirez at 2nd although as a supersub he would be awesome he just wouldn't have as many at bats.

Joe Morgan and Danny Richar walk the same line according to some Sox fans I know.

sox1970
03-19-2008, 02:53 PM
Sending Richar down never made sense to me.

Chris Getz is the 2B there, so Richar is the 2B in Chicago.

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:54 PM
Sending Richar down never made sense to me.

Chris Getz is the 2B there, so Richar is the 2B in Chicago.

Who would have ever thought that the Sox would have too many middle infielders?

Jaffar
03-19-2008, 02:54 PM
Kenny signed him to the contract...

And while at the time we needed a SS, he's still the one who brought him back.
He brought him back because he had to since we had no SS. I bet he thought he wouldn't have a problem trading him either. If they put him on waivers and somebody picks him up don't they also pick up his contract so it costs the Sox nothing?

chisoxmike
03-19-2008, 02:56 PM
Hey mike is Richar ready? Don't get me wrong I loved his at bats last year. He always made the opposing pitcher work. But is he ready. Is his back all good. Honestly at this point I would rather have Ramirez at 2nd although as a supersub he would be awesome he just wouldn't have as many at bats.

I think Richar will be able to get the job done at second without a problem. I'd even have him leadoff. :duck:

oeo
03-19-2008, 02:57 PM
He brought him back because he had to since we had no SS. I bet he thought he wouldn't have a problem trading him either. If they put him on waivers and somebody picks him up don't they also pick up his contract so it costs the Sox nothing?

Easy to trade him to who? :scratch:

This doesn't sound like a Kenny move. He doesn't just give guys away, and certainly doesn't just eat money. Either this is BS, or we have to missing a piece of information.

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 02:57 PM
Uribe was the one player last season I wanted off the team despite not having a valid upgrade idea. I will be happy if he's gone. I just want him out of my misery forever! Of course, I do not believe in "sources" and I will wait for the White to annouce this themselves. Remember, it was the Score that started the Mark signing saga...
I wanted him gone after '06, but to me, it doesn't make sense that the Sox would release him after he's started so many games at second this spring and the report that he's Ozzie's choice to start at that position on Opening Day. To me, the Danny Richar era can't start soon enough, but this new report is making everything too damn confusing.

jenn2080
03-19-2008, 02:57 PM
I love Uribe I hope it is not true.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 03:00 PM
Easy to trade him to who? :scratch:

This doesn't sound like a Kenny move. He doesn't just give guys away, and certainly doesn't just eat money. Either this is BS, or we have to missing a piece of information.

Maybe Kenny finally learned how to admit a mistake. :dunno:

jdm2662
03-19-2008, 03:05 PM
I wanted him gone after '06, but to me, it doesn't make sense that the Sox would release him after he's started so many games at second this spring and the report that he's Ozzie's choice to start at that position on Opening Day. To me, the Danny Richar era can't start soon enough, but this new report is making everything too damn confusing.

Life doesn't make sense most of the time. However, as I said, this is a "report" from "unknown source". I will not believe this until I see it from the Sox themselves. This sounds like the Score trying to be on top of things once again, and they are making asses of themselves once again.

It's Dankerific
03-19-2008, 03:05 PM
Maybe Kenny finally learned how to admit a mistake. :dunno:

Not bloody likely.

jenn2080
03-19-2008, 03:06 PM
Maybe Kenny finally learned how to admit a mistake. :dunno:

Kenny does not wrong. He is a god.

chisoxmike
03-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Maybe Kenny finally learned how to admit a mistake. :dunno:

Kenny doesn't make mistakes. Remember 2005! He's a grinder! He's Chuck Norris!

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Life doesn't make sense most of the time. However, as I said, this is a "report" from "unknown source". I will not believe this until I see it from the Sox themselves. This sounds like the Score trying to be on top of things once again, and they are making asses of themselves once again.
You're not kidding. Who remembers a couple of years ago when Mike North and WGN teamed up with Walter E. Smithe on April Fool's Day and said the company was renaming Wrigley after the company?

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Wow...I'm not a fan of Uribe, but I can't believe we would just out right release him...he's not in the lineup today, I didn't see anything on the Sox main website though, nor did I see him briefly on the bench.

sox1970
03-19-2008, 03:07 PM
Not bloody likely.

That's a horrible cockney accent.

ChiSoxFann
03-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Hopefully he is gone the most undisciplined hitter i have ever seen. How he ever got hits is beyond me. That guy sucked and I am glad he is gone.:bandance:

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:10 PM
Let it be true :smile:

Tekijawa
03-19-2008, 03:11 PM
Hopefully he is gone the most undisciplined hitter i have ever seen.

What about Brian Anderson in 2006?

DumpJerry
03-19-2008, 03:11 PM
Nothing on the White Sox website or the Tribune's website.

oeo
03-19-2008, 03:13 PM
Maybe Kenny finally learned how to admit a mistake. :dunno:

He admits his mistakes all the time...

:dunno:

Gammons Peter
03-19-2008, 03:13 PM
we have now unloaded the 2005 Championship middle infield for absolutely nothing.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:14 PM
What about Brian Anderson in 2006?

Pitches per plate appearance in 2006

Anderson: 3.5

Uribe: 3.4

Uribe has him beat :D:

joebro25
03-19-2008, 03:14 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

Gonzales just posted this.

Chicken Dinner
03-19-2008, 03:15 PM
we have now unloaded the 2005 Championship middle infield for absolutely nothing.

Since when is 5 million bucks nothing? :o:

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:15 PM
we have now unloaded the 2005 Championship middle infield for absolutely nothing.

Which tells you exactly what their value is.

PalehosePlanet
03-19-2008, 03:16 PM
How are they saving money? Saving money would be trading him, not releasing him.

I believe he would be placed on waivers. This means that if anyone picks him up they would also take on his salary. If he clears waivers then we would be paying his salary.

salty99
03-19-2008, 03:16 PM
Time for the good ole appreciation thread.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:17 PM
Time for the good ole appreciation thread.

Thanks for your defense in 2005.

Bye.

/End

JorgeFabregas
03-19-2008, 03:17 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

Gonzales just posted this.
That's been pulled.

oeo
03-19-2008, 03:18 PM
I believe he would be placed on waivers. This means that if anyone picks him up they would also take on his salary. If he clears waivers then we would be paying his salary.

No one is going to pick him up on that contract.

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 03:18 PM
This is on MLBtraderumors.com

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/03/white-sox-relea.html

peeonwrigley
03-19-2008, 03:18 PM
That's been pulled.

Source was probably WSCR :rolleyes:

joebro25
03-19-2008, 03:19 PM
That's been pulled.

Yeah, well it basically said that according to an ML scout Uribe will be placed on waivers, nothing different than what the score is reporting.

rdivaldi
03-19-2008, 03:19 PM
That's been pulled.

Yep, looks like everyone is confused now...

DumpJerry
03-19-2008, 03:20 PM
This is on MLBtraderumors.com

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/03/white-sox-relea.html
They are citing The Score.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 03:22 PM
If this is true, and no one claims Uribe (which seems likely given that Williams was probably trying to trade him), signing Uribe to a $4.5 million contract was one of the stupider things Williams has done.

JorgeFabregas
03-19-2008, 03:23 PM
Waiving him makes a certain amount of sense.

RedHeadPaleHoser
03-19-2008, 03:23 PM
It's also posted on chicagosports.com as of 12 minutes ago.

Sockinchisox
03-19-2008, 03:23 PM
It's been put back up, Gonzales is speculating another 2B is coming in (Roberts?).

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

CHIsoxNation
03-19-2008, 03:24 PM
It's also posted on chicagosports.com as of 12 minutes ago.

Yep, more info on it now.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 03:24 PM
Waiving him makes a certain amount of sense.
If you are speaking that from a talent standpoint, then yes, it makes all the sense in the world. Financially however, we would just be throwing money away. This is all kind of abrupt, so it makes even less sense.

siugrad25
03-19-2008, 03:25 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

Outside of what everyone has already said, I was under the impression Uribe would be starting the season at 2B with Ramirez right behind him.

This updated story mentions that maybe the Sox are looking at Ellis (something already posted here before).

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:25 PM
If this is true, and no one claims Uribe (which seems likely given that Williams was probably trying to trade him), signing Uribe to a $4.5 million contract was one of the stupider things Williams has done.

KW essentially put himself between a rock and a hard place and had little choice but to pick up Uribe's option. On the whole, it was his fault to be in that position, but picking up the option was the reasonable thing to do, IMO.

JermaineDye05
03-19-2008, 03:25 PM
If this is true, and no one claims Uribe (which seems likely given that Williams was probably trying to trade him), signing Uribe to a $4.5 million contract was one of the stupider things Williams has done.

Not really considering Kenny didn't know OC was available.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 03:26 PM
Yep, more info on it now.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

I didn't realize dominoes were so popular.

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 03:26 PM
It's been put back up, Gonzales is speculating another 2B is coming in (Roberts?).

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html
Just imagine the Tribune putting a spin on a Roberts-to-the-Sox story after all the Cubs rumors we've heard.:tongue:

SoxNation05
03-19-2008, 03:26 PM
and people complained about what we got for Iguchi.

Sockinchisox
03-19-2008, 03:27 PM
Alexei just went yard.

:D:

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:27 PM
and people complained about what we got for Iguchi.

Well, they shouldn't have. He was worthless, as evidenced by the Castillo trade and his own 1 year deal this winter.

Chicken Dinner
03-19-2008, 03:28 PM
If you are speaking that from a talent standpoint, then yes, it makes all the sense in the world. Financially however, we would just be throwing money away. This is all kind of abrupt, so it makes even less sense.

He could be claimed and then no money would be lost. I'm sure Kenny has talked to other GM's that have said they would pick him up as long as no other players were exchanged.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 03:28 PM
I'm so confused. But this is why I love this site! There's so much excitement and crazed speculation!

goon
03-19-2008, 03:28 PM
It's been put back up, Gonzales is speculating another 2B is coming in (Roberts?).

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

I have to assume they have something in the works for another 2B, probably Ellis, because Richar hasn't got a ton of work in ST and Ramierz looks to be heading to AAA.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:29 PM
He could be claimed and then no money would be lost. I'm sure Kenny has talked to other GM's that have said they would pick him up as long as no other players were exchanged.

I highly doubt it. If another team wanted Uribe and was willing to pay his contract, they would have given us a career minor leaguer to avoid the chance that someone else gets him on waivers.

sox1970
03-19-2008, 03:30 PM
I have to assume they have something in the works for another 2B, probably Ellis, because Richar hasn't got a ton of work in ST and Ramierz looks to be heading to AAA.

Ramirez homered today.

He's making the team (not just because he homered).

Chicken Dinner
03-19-2008, 03:30 PM
You gotta luv Wednesdays. :cool:

JermaineDye05
03-19-2008, 03:31 PM
If this is true, and no one claims Uribe (which seems likely given that Williams was probably trying to trade him), signing Uribe to a $4.5 million contract was one of the stupider things Williams has done.

And signing Alexei Ramirez to a 4 year $4.75 million contract has to be one of his best. First homer of the Spring today after a great ab.:bandance::bandance:

SoxNation05
03-19-2008, 03:31 PM
Can someone get me a link to Alexei's stats?

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:32 PM
Can someone get me a link to Alexei's stats?

www.google.com

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 03:32 PM
I have to assume they have something in the works for another 2B, probably Ellis, because Richar hasn't got a ton of work in ST and Ramierz looks to be heading to AAA.
They also mentioned Roberts, given the choice I'd much rather haver Roberts than Ellis, but Ellis is a solid second baseman.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 03:32 PM
And signing Alexei Ramirez to a 4 year $4.75 million contract has to be one of his best. First homer of the Spring today after a great ab.:bandance::bandance:

That remains to be seen, though that's a great risk/reward deal.

JermaineDye05
03-19-2008, 03:33 PM
:scratch:

The Sox will never swallow $5 million ...... we need source.


So no Richar then who starts at 2B? Roberts?

Josh Fields.

CLR01
03-19-2008, 03:33 PM
And signing Alexei Ramirez to a 4 year $4.75 million contract has to be one of his best. First homer of the Spring today after a great ab.:bandance::bandance:

Based on what? Other than you having wood over a ST HR.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 03:33 PM
www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

Bingo. It takes as much effort to look it up as it does to come on here, post, and ask someone else to do it for you.

JorgeFabregas
03-19-2008, 03:34 PM
If you are speaking that from a talent standpoint, then yes, it makes all the sense in the world. Financially however, we would just be throwing money away. This is all kind of abrupt, so it makes even less sense.
Well, there's a possibility that someone will claim him.

goon
03-19-2008, 03:34 PM
Ramirez homered today.

He's making the team (not just because he homered).

Absolutely he did! I like Ramierz a lot, I just wonder if the organization wants him to get some playing time at SS in the minors.

As for the Ellis thing, for some reason I could see the Sox getting him over Roberts just because it would take a lot less to get Ellis, I would think. I'd rather have Roberts too.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:34 PM
Based on what? Other than you having wood over a ST HR.

I like Alexei, but he really, really needs to learn some plate discipline. Nothing will be more annoying during the season then Ramirez swinging at everything. Granted, he makes contact, but people will start getting the book on him, the Paul Byrds of the world will make Ramirez look foolish.

That's why I really wish he'd at least get a year in AAA, learn the plate and learn defense and he'd be set because the ball truly explodes off of his bat.

Winnin' Ugly
03-19-2008, 03:35 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

JermaineDye05
03-19-2008, 03:35 PM
Based on what? Other than you having wood over a ST HR.

can't one be optimistic? I know it's only ST, but you can't deny he's performed well over a lot of our expectations.

JohnTucker0814
03-19-2008, 03:36 PM
How are they saving money? Saving money would be trading him, not releasing him.

If someone picks him up don't they take on the $5MM?

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:37 PM
If someone picks him up don't they take on the $5MM?

Yes. Any team that claims him takes on the contract.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 03:37 PM
can't one be optimistic? I know it's only ST, but you can't deny he's performed well over a lot of our expectations.

I'd like to see both Alexei and Richar get a whole year in at Charlotte. Neither of them seem ready to play in the big leagues every day.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 03:38 PM
If Ramirez makes the team, I can start pulling my hair out over people misspelling his first name.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 03:38 PM
Based on what? Other than you having wood over a ST HR.
Alexi has looked good at the plate, he could use some work on his D though...I figured he and Richar would be going to AAA with Uribe at second, I have no clue what the hell is going on.

fusillirob1983
03-19-2008, 03:39 PM
I never thought a thread about Juan Uribe would capture so much attention at one time.

CLR01
03-19-2008, 03:39 PM
can't one be optimistic? I know it's only ST, but you can't deny he's performed well over a lot of our expectations.


You certainly can be but you can do it without making absurd claims.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:39 PM
If Ramirez makes the team, I can start pulling my hair out over people misspelling his first name.

Even worse news Vasquez got cut today... so when people misspell Javier's name we will have nobody to sarcastically insert in his place. :(: It's a black day for grammar police.

PalehosePlanet
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
They also mentioned Roberts, given the choice I'd much rather haver Roberts than Ellis, but Ellis is a solid second baseman.

We are not trading for Roberts. If we were trading for Roberts, then Juan would be a part of that deal and would not be placed on waivers.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
If Ramirez makes the team, I can start pulling my hair out over people misspelling his first name.

Its possible folk's will learn how to spell his name. Lets' see, though, I dont see that happening before March 31.

:D:

Sockinchisox
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
The Uribe story has been pulled again.

rdivaldi
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
:tomatoaward

In less than an hour, not too bad.

sox1970
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
If Ramirez makes the team, I can start pulling my hair out over people misspelling his first name.



Um....yeah.

Even Scott Reifort spells it Alexi in his blog. That's bad.

CHIsoxNation
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
If Ramirez makes the team, I can start pulling my hair out over people misspelling his first name.


Alexi has looked good at the plate, he could use some work on his D though...I figured he and Richar would be going to AAA with Uribe at second, I have no clue what the hell is going on.

Classic!

CLR01
03-19-2008, 03:43 PM
Man I got to go. Hopefully by the time I get back Uribe will be bruised from getting hit by very door on his way out. Don't even et him pack his ****, just mail it.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:43 PM
Haha, I find myself spelling it that way a lot as well. I will learn though.

Neil Cotts and Javier Vasquez 4 Life

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 03:44 PM
Classic!
Sorry, haha, I'm not a good speller.

itsnotrequired
03-19-2008, 03:44 PM
:mg:

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:44 PM
Man I got to go. Hopefully by the time I get back Uribe will be bruised from getting hit by very door on his way out. Don't even et him pack his ****, just mail it.

Use the pseudo UPS guy from the commercial.

Hitmen77
03-19-2008, 03:45 PM
Wow.

chitown13
03-19-2008, 03:45 PM
Interesting. Last I heard he had the inside track to start at 2B just recently

CHIsoxNation
03-19-2008, 03:46 PM
Sorry, haha, I'm not a good speller.

You aren't the first and I'm sure not the last. :gulp:

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 03:46 PM
There's already a thread on this in WTS.

turners56
03-19-2008, 03:46 PM
And to think I was looking for a 2004-like season out of Uribe this year...
Meh, whatever. Uribe will always frustrate us as fans, good to open the door for Ramirez to be on the team. I highly doubt we'll get Brian Roberts. Ellis is a possibility, but meh.

Gammons Peter
03-19-2008, 03:46 PM
I like Alexi, but he really, really needs to learn some plate discipline....That's why I really wish he'd at least get a year in AAA, learn the plate and...


He's been playing baseball his whole life, professionally in Cuba for close to 10 years. You think he will "learn the plate" by spending a year in the minors?

sox1970
03-19-2008, 03:47 PM
Richar and others for Ellis would be just fine by me. Cabrera and Ellis would be a helluva DP combo.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:47 PM
And to think I was looking for a 2004-like season out of Uribe this year...
Meh, whatever. Uribe will always frustrate us as fans, good to open the door for Ramirez to be on the team. I highly doubt we'll get Brian Roberts. Ellis is a possibility, but meh.

If need be I'd have no problems with a Ramirez/Richar 2B spot. No problems at all...

Frater Perdurabo
03-19-2008, 03:48 PM
Strange. :scratch:

102605
03-19-2008, 03:49 PM
We couldn't even get a bag of balls for him? Is Kenny just being lazy??

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 03:49 PM
He's been playing baseball his whole life, professionally in Cuba for close to 10 years. You think he will "learn the plate" by spending a year in the minors?

We're talking different worlds.

It's much like the monster player on a high school team... yeah he can hit .370 and get 20 HR on the season when all the pitches are down the middle, etc. But if he gets use to it like that, when the competition gets better and better and you get to higher levels and pitchers are smart then you're going to eventually get burned and need to adjust accordingly.

Ramirez will be in a different world now, if you're the best player in Cuba you're hard-pressed to break into the top 100 in the majors. You can't get by on just your raw skills in the MLB, it doesn't happen.

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 03:50 PM
Uribe sucks to say the least, but OC has not impressed me as I thought he would so far this spring, I hope he is one of those slow starting veterans than just turns it on April 1.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 03:50 PM
We couldn't even get a bag of balls for him? Is Kenny just being lazy??

:rolling:

turners56
03-19-2008, 03:51 PM
If need be I'd have no problems with a Ramirez/Richar 2B spot. No problems at all...

I'd have no problems either. If one fails, another is to back up. I think KW and Ozzie both wanted Ramirez to get a shot in the Majors early, that's probably why Uribe was cut. Juan was playing real well in ST, if I were him, I'd be pissed right now.

CHIsoxNation
03-19-2008, 03:52 PM
There is a thread in WTS. I don't know if it's official yet. The Sun Times is saying that Uribe's agent isn't even aware of this.

If true, it would be news to Uribe’s agent Martin Arburua, who said, “I haven’t heard anything like that.’’
Arburua, who is in Florida, also went on to say, “Everything I’ve been told by the club was positive about Juan. I heard he was hitting well, playing great defense, that would be a shock.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/851145,uribe031908.article

CHIsoxNation
03-19-2008, 03:53 PM
Apparently Uribe's agent isn't even aware of Uribe getting cut.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/851145,uribe031908.article

102605
03-19-2008, 03:54 PM
Maybe the team is just playing a trick on him like the Phillies did to Kyle Kendrick.http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Phillies-Prank-Kyle-Kendrick-Traded-To-Japanese-League-For-Kobayashi-Iwamura-Blog-6784

Foulke You
03-19-2008, 03:54 PM
Haha, I find myself spelling it that way a lot as well. I will learn though.

Neil Cotts and Javier Vasquez 4 Life
Amen brother! Esteban Loiza and Jose Valentine 4 life as well! :tongue:

The Immigrant
03-19-2008, 03:55 PM
Richar and others for Ellis would be just fine by me.

I'm glad it's not your call. Ellis is a rent-a-player and the Sox shouldn't give more than a Michael Dubee to get him.

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 03:56 PM
Maybe the team is just playing a trick on him like the Phillies did to Kyle Kendrick.http://www.faniq.com/blog/Video-Phillies-Prank-Kyle-Kendrick-Traded-To-Japanese-League-For-Kobayashi-Iwamura-Blog-6784


Big difference Kyle Kendrick = Good Player

Uribe is BAD.

Cuck the Fubs
03-19-2008, 03:59 PM
wow.....just wow!

Nobody saw this one coming, still it's unconfirmed correct?

CHIsoxNation
03-19-2008, 04:00 PM
wow.....just wow!

Nobody saw this one coming, still it's unconfirmed correct?

Yeah nothing yet on the official website.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:01 PM
Score just confirmed on update.

Madvora
03-19-2008, 04:03 PM
There's been so many times when the Score jumps to run a story before it's confirmed. I can't stand that. They end up being wrong a lot.

Rocky Soprano
03-19-2008, 04:03 PM
Score just confirmed on update.

The Sox confirmed this to the score?

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:04 PM
There's been so many times when the Score jumps to run a story before it's confirmed. I can't stand that. They end up being wrong a lot.

They just confirmed it...said we have 72 hours to trade him he's released.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:04 PM
The Sox confirmed this to the score?

By rule they can't. You can't comment on players you put on waivers until they've been released.

MushMouth
03-19-2008, 04:05 PM
could/would this be done if something already setup with another team?


i.e.- Sox put Uribe on waivers with the knowledge that team X will pick him up, then make a separate deal?

although that hardly makes sense, they could just include him in any deal

color me confused

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:06 PM
By rule they can't. You can't comment on players you put on waivers until they've been released.
But we've heard about players being put on waivers before they've been released, haven't we? I don't disapprove of this, but it is rather surprising as it seemingly came out of nowhere. I wonder if he said something to Ozzie or Kenny to upset them? I thought he was a lock to be our starting second baseman.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:06 PM
could/would this be done if something already setup with another team?


i.e.- Sox put Uribe on waivers with the knowledge that team X will pick him up, then make a separate deal?

although that hardly makes sense, they could just include him in any deal

color me confused

They probably just need a spot on the 40 man to make a move.

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:07 PM
I didn't read the thread so if this has been discussed already, ok. Who on this team has to either make the team or get released? I believe its Floyd (will make team in rotation) and Masset. Could we see a Masset, Uribe, Richar and 2 lower prospects for Roberts? McFAIL said he wants to bring back the old 5 for 1 trade. Also Baltimore has been rumored to be interested in Uribe to fill the SS spot. Richar would be useless here with Roberts arrival. Masset would be moved so he wouldnt need to be released.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:07 PM
But we've heard about players being put on waivers before they've been released, haven't we?

And it's never confirmed by the team.

CWSpalehoseCWS
03-19-2008, 04:09 PM
They probably just need a spot on the 40 man to make a move.

They already had a free spot on the 40-Man when Vasquez was released.

LITTLE NELL
03-19-2008, 04:10 PM
If this is true; I dont get it.

ChiTownTrojan
03-19-2008, 04:10 PM
I didn't read the thread so if this has been discussed already, ok. Who on this team has to either make the team or get released? I believe its Floyd (will make team in rotation) and Masset. Could we see a Masset, Uribe, Richar and 2 lower prospects for Roberts? McFAIL said he wants to bring back the old 5 for 1 trade. Also Baltimore has been rumored to be interested in Uribe to fill the SS spot. Richar would be useless here with Roberts arrival. Masset would be moved so he wouldnt need to be released.
If Uribe was part of a major deal like that, why put him on waivers? What good does that do? He can still be traded without being moved to waivers. I really don't understand this move.... hopefully something will happen in the next couple days to justify it.

LoveYourSuit
03-19-2008, 04:11 PM
They probably just need a spot on the 40 man to make a move.

You make the move you are going to make first and then you release the roster spot you need.

This how I have seen things done before.

PalehosePlanet
03-19-2008, 04:11 PM
I didn't read the thread so if this has been discussed already, ok. Who on this team has to either make the team or get released? I believe its Floyd (will make team in rotation) and Masset. Could we see a Masset, Uribe, Richar and 2 lower prospects for Roberts? McFAIL said he wants to bring back the old 5 for 1 trade. Also Baltimore has been rumored to be interested in Uribe to fill the SS spot. Richar would be useless here with Roberts arrival. Masset would be moved so he wouldnt need to be released.

Why would we release Uribe rather than include him in the deal? Makes no sense, he would not be put on waivers if he was part of a package deal.

Madvora
03-19-2008, 04:11 PM
Anyone watching the game? I just turned it on, have they said anything about this? Has Uribe been seen in the dugout or anything?

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:11 PM
I didn't read the thread so if this has been discussed already, ok. Who on this team has to either make the team or get released? I believe its Floyd (will make team in rotation) and Masset. Could we see a Masset, Uribe, Richar and 2 lower prospects for Roberts? McFAIL said he wants to bring back the old 5 for 1 trade. Also Baltimore has been rumored to be interested in Uribe to fill the SS spot. Richar would be useless here with Roberts arrival. Masset would be moved so he wouldnt need to be released.
First off, I can't believe the Orioles would actually make that trade even though I proposed it, but I think it was oeo who said it "Never underestimate the stupidity of Peter Angelos." So maybe that would work...but it sounds like we just outright released him, not trading him. But if you could make a deal using those guys, I'd say do it.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:12 PM
Anyone watching the game? I just turned it on, have they said anything about this? Has Uribe been seen in the dugout or anything?
I haven't seen him in the dugout and Hawk and DJ haven't said anything about it.

gamblinkenny
03-19-2008, 04:12 PM
just heard on the score that Uribe was designated for assignment. Looks like Alexei will get the opening day nod at second, seeing as Richar came late and has a back issue.

or

sox trade crede to LAD for prospects which they in turn send to BLT for B. Roberts.

MushMouth
03-19-2008, 04:13 PM
very very odd

if there was a deal, he could have just been included

if there is a deal not including Juan, we could have waited til it was completed to drop him

utter speculation, but other than a disciplinary action, why would we do this?

We stand to lose 4.5 mill!!!

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:13 PM
TUCSON, Ariz. -- Ozzie Guillen's plan is to have his 25-man roster set two or three days before the team breaks camp next Thursday,
This is from a story on the Sox website (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080318&content_id=2443551&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws).
2-3 days before Thursday would be Monday. So releasing him now + the 72 hour window puts us at Saturday. Maybe this had something to with it.

dickallen15
03-19-2008, 04:15 PM
If the Sox waived Uribe, they cannot trade him. Some team will have to claim him or the Sox will pay him $4.1 million this year for nothing.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:15 PM
very very odd

if there was a deal, he could have just been included

if there is a deal not including Juan, we could have waited til it was completed to drop him

utter speculation, but other than a disciplinary action, why would we do this?

We stand to lose 4.5 mill!!!
If this is a disciplinary thing he must have done something criminal in order for us to release him, I don't you release a guy who's making five million a year for failing to show up to early morning BP, do you??

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:16 PM
If the Sox waived Uribe, they cannot trade him. Some team will have to claim him or the Sox will pay him $4.1 million this year for nothing.
Supposedly Baltimore has been interested in Uribe. So if they claim him there's the beginnings of a Roberts deal. Or is it wishful thinking?:smile:

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:17 PM
If the Sox waived Uribe, they cannot trade him. Some team will have to claim him or the Sox will pay him $4.1 million this year for nothing.

I believe this is correct. The waivers are irrevocable. I mean, another team could pick him up and then the Sox could trade with that team and Uribe would be "a part" of that trade, but that wouldn't amke any sense, would it?

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:19 PM
Perhaps its as simple as the Sox either have a deal in place for Roberts or Ellis, or they have decided Ramirez or Richar are ready and they asked Uribe would he rather ride the bench or just be released because we couldn't move him.

dwalteroo
03-19-2008, 04:21 PM
Anyone have this year's waiver order? Which teams are getting first crack at Uribe?

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:23 PM
Anyone have this year's waiver order? Which teams are getting first crack at Uribe?

I don't quite think that's an issue...

Soxfest
03-19-2008, 04:24 PM
KW to sign Uribe to begin with shows me KW had no real plan! http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/gosoxretro.gif

PalehosePlanet
03-19-2008, 04:24 PM
If the Sox waived Uribe, they cannot trade him. Some team will have to claim him or the Sox will pay him $4.1 million this year for nothing.

I have a feeling the Orioles will claim him. They have nothing to lose; it's not like they have a young SS in waiting that Juan would be blocking.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:24 PM
Perhaps its as simple as the Sox either have a deal in place for Roberts or Ellis, or they have decided Ramirez or Richar are ready and they asked Uribe would he rather ride the bench or just be released because we couldn't move him.
That could be the case, but I figure his agent would know about that then, don't you?

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:25 PM
I have a feeling the Orioles will claim him. They have nothing to lose; it's not like they have a young SS in waiting that Juan would be blocking.

They have about $4.5MM to lose.

ChiTownTrojan
03-19-2008, 04:25 PM
Supposedly Baltimore has been interested in Uribe. So if they claim him there's the beginnings of a Roberts deal. Or is it wishful thinking?:smile:
Could someone please enlighten me how waiving Uribe could be part of a deal with the Orioles or anyone else? Maybe I just don't understand how the whole waiver thing works, but if the O's claim him, he goes to their team, end of discussion, right?

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:27 PM
Could someone please enlighten me how waiving Uribe could be part of a deal with the Orioles or anyone else? Maybe I just don't understand how the whole waiver thing works, but if the O's claim him, he goes to their team, end of discussion, right?

You are correct. It makes absolutely zero sense to waive someone and have them included in a trade.

ChiTownTrojan
03-19-2008, 04:28 PM
KW to sign Uribe to begin with shows me KW had no real plan! http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/gosoxretro.gif
You're kidding right? You wanted us to be left without a SS for the season? We didn't have Cabrera (or Ramirez, I think) at the time. KW really didn't have a choice.

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:29 PM
If Baltimore claims him the Sox have the option to pull him back, trade him or let him go, Correct? Isn't that why when we claimed Tejada in August Baltimore tried working out a deal but we ran out of time in the 72 hour window?

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:29 PM
If Baltimore claims him the Sox have the option to pull him back, trade him or let him go, Correct?

No. They're irrevocable. I believe the rules differ later in the season.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:30 PM
You're kidding right? You wanted us to be left without a SS for the season? We didn't have Cabrera (or Ramirez, I think) at the time. KW really didn't have a choice.

At that time there were free agent options.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:30 PM
If Baltimore claims him the Sox have the option to pull him back, trade him or let him go, Correct? Isn't that why when we claimed Tejada in August Baltimore tried working out a deal but we ran out of time in the 72 hour window?

Not unless the word irrevocable has been redefined recently.

MushMouth
03-19-2008, 04:30 PM
If we needed roster space, I have a hard time believing taking a 4.5 million dollar gamble is a better option than sending down an ailing Richar. Something else has to be up. Or Kenny is pretty sure someone will put in a claim.

dwalteroo
03-19-2008, 04:30 PM
If Baltimore claims him the Sox have the option to pull him back, trade him or let him go, Correct?

I *thought* that's only true for the Aug. 1-Aug. 31 timeframe. If another team picks him up now, the contract is theirs - no trading whatsoever. I *think* that's how it goes, but I thought team order was still an issue...perhaps not?

greg biz
03-19-2008, 04:31 PM
from... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_transactions

Waivers
Any player under contract may be placed on waivers at any time. If a player is waived, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the lowest record in the player's league gets preference. If no team in the player's league claims him, the claiming team with the lowest record in the other league gets preference. In the first month of the season, preference is determined using the previous year's standings.
If a team claims a player off waivers and has the viable claim as described above, his current team (the "waiving team") may choose one of the following options:

arrange a trade with the claiming team for that player within two business days of the claim; or
rescind the request and keep the player on its major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or
do nothing and allow the claiming team to (1) assume the player's existing contract, (2) pay the waiving team a waiver fee, and (3) place the player on its active major league roster.If a player is claimed and the waiving team exercises its rescission option, the waiving team may not use the option again for that player in that season. If no team claims a player from waivers in three business days, the player has cleared waivers and may be assigned to a minor league team, traded, or released outright.
The waiver "wire" is a secret within the personnel of the Major League Baseball clubs; no announcement of a waiver is made until a transaction actually occurs. Many players are often quietly waived during the August "waiver-required" trading period to gauge trade interest in a particular player. Usually, when the player is claimed, the waiving team will rescind the waiver to avoid losing the player unless a trade can be worked out with the claiming team.

doublem23
03-19-2008, 04:33 PM
At that time there were free agent options.

Wasn't this off-season enough proof that you need a back-up plan beyond available FA's?

Jesus, for a team with a payroll that pushes $100 million, there's an awful lot of whining about 5 of them. :rolleyes:

white sox bill
03-19-2008, 04:34 PM
Sorry if this has been posted already--from the Trib
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/uribe-waived.html

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:36 PM
At that time there were free agent options.
Who were the available SS's? Arod ( was he ever really available?), David "No arm" Eckstein.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:37 PM
Wasn't this off-season enough proof that you need a back-up plan beyond available FA's?

Jesus, for a team with a payroll that pushes $100 million, there's an awful lot of whining about 5 of them. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: yourself. Eckstein is a better player and he didn't even get what Uribe got.

psyclonis
03-19-2008, 04:37 PM
This just proves why KW is the best GM in baseball

Scottiehaswheels
03-19-2008, 04:37 PM
Up on the official Sox page now too as a report... http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080319&content_id=2444725&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

hi im skot
03-19-2008, 04:38 PM
Up on the official Sox page now too as a report... http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080319&content_id=2444725&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws


And their source?

Yep, you guessed it...the Score.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:39 PM
:rolleyes: yourself. Eckstein is a better player and he didn't even get what Uribe got.

At the time the Uribe decision was made, Eckstein was looking for much, much more than he ended up receiving.

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 04:40 PM
I assume this thread is still here until we get a more legit source?
:tomatoaward:tomatoaward

whitem0nkey
03-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Just my speculation.

KW is sure Uribe will be claimed. and he has some plan that he needed 5 million to make it happen.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:42 PM
Just my speculation.

KW is sure Uribe will be claimed. and he has some plan that he needed 5 million to make it happen.

If this is true, then the team claiming Uribe is incredibly stupid for not giving up nothing to the Sox to make sure they actually get Juan.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:42 PM
Jeez, munch, you're ****ing bitching about Eckstein?

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:42 PM
Jeez, munch, you're ****ing bitching about Eckstein?

I've got him as a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 04:43 PM
If this is true, then the team claiming Uribe is incredibly stupid for not giving up nothing to the Sox to make sure they actually get Juan.

and Kittle just drove off a bridge.

hi im skot
03-19-2008, 04:43 PM
I've got him as a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

HE'S SO ****ING GRINDY!

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:44 PM
and Kittle just drove off a bridge.

By no means am I a grammatical expert, but how should it have been said?

ChiTownTrojan
03-19-2008, 04:44 PM
If this is true, then the team claiming Uribe is incredibly stupid for not giving up nothing to the Sox to make sure they actually get Juan.
Not if the team that wants him (ehem.... Orioles....) had one of the worst records in the league last year and they get first priority anyway.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:45 PM
Not if the team that wants him (ehem.... Orioles....) had one of the worst records in the league last year and they get first priority anyway.

The only way it makes sense is if the team with 1st waiver choice is the one that wants him. Otherwise you give up nothing (aka a career minor leaguer) in a trade.

ChiTownTrojan
03-19-2008, 04:45 PM
By no means am I a grammatical expert, but how should it have been said?
"not giving something up to the Sox"

Chicken Dinner
03-19-2008, 04:45 PM
After today, a Masset package might be in the works.

Sockinchisox
03-19-2008, 04:46 PM
Levineline is saying he's been put on outright waivers.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:46 PM
"not giving something up to the Sox"

Except that does not properly convey what I wanted to say. The whole point is a team would not have to give up something to the Sox. By saying "not giving up something" you imply that a player of value was given.

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 04:47 PM
By no means am I a grammatical expert, but how should it have been said?

I was just kidding around because people talked about the Alexei part earlier in the thread.

Probably would've been best to say:

If this is true, then the team claiming Uribe is incredibly stupid for not giving anything to the Sox to make sure they actually get Juan.

As opposed to not giving nothing, which would be a double negative. But I don't care. This is a day of rejoice!

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:49 PM
I was just kidding around because people talked about the Alexei part earlier in the thread.

Probably would've been best to say:

If this is true, then the team claiming Uribe is incredibly stupid for not giving anything to the Sox to make sure they actually get Juan.

As opposed to not giving nothing, which would be a double negative. But I don't care. This is a day of rejoice!

Yea, I used nothing b/c "something" or "anything" implies value would be given, whereas nothing means no value. It does not sound proper (not sure if it is), but in a pinch, it was the only way to get across the idea that it would be dumb to trust getting Uribe on waivers when you could simply give up a piece of crap for him.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:49 PM
Jeez, munch, you're ****ing bitching about Eckstein?

I'm bitching at the notion that resigning Uribe in the first place was anything but an absolutely horrible move. And those trying to say otherwise are either extremely biased or extremely stupid.

gogosox16
03-19-2008, 04:49 PM
if this is true then my day just a whole lot better:bandance:

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:49 PM
Well who could use a 2b/SS:
St. Louis - Kennedy and Izturis
Cubs- Theriot
Reds- Alex Gonzalez
Nationals- Guzman, Belliard, Lopez
Giants- Vizquel hurt, Durham old
Orioles- Luis Hernandez, Freddy Bynum (if they trade Roberts)
Red Sox- Not sure how much they like Lugo. Maybe they shouldnt be on here.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 04:50 PM
I'm bitching at the notion that resigning Uribe in the first place was anything but an absolutely horrible move. And those trying to say otherwise are either extremely biased or extremely stupid.

What would you have done then? Would you be bitching if Uribe was not re-signed and the Sox ended up without a SS?

doublem23
03-19-2008, 04:50 PM
:rolleyes: yourself. Eckstein is a better player and he didn't even get what Uribe got.

:rolling:

David Eckstein? Is this a joke?

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:50 PM
Well who could use a 2b/SS:
St. Louis - Kennedy and Izturis
Cubs- Theriot
Reds- Alex Gonzalez
Nationals- Guzman, Belliard, Lopez
Giants- Vizquel hurt, Durham old
Orioles- Luis Hernandez, Freddy Bynum (if they trade Roberts)
Red Sox- Not sure how much they like Lugo. Maybe they shouldnt be on here.

Has it sunk in yet exactly how terrible Juan Uribe is?

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:51 PM
:rolling:

David Eckstein? Is this a joke?

Juan Uribe now is not Juan Uribe 2005. Eckstein is better defensively and offensively now. You want to disagree? At least somebody wanted Eckstein.

doublem23
03-19-2008, 04:52 PM
I'm bitching at the notion that resigning Uribe in the first place was anything but an absolutely horrible move. And those trying to say otherwise are either extremely biased or extremely stupid.

Awfully bold of someone who proclaimed a kid in A-ball a sure ballot HOF to call anyone else biased or stupid.

Wow, he signed a $4.1 million deal. He was made expendable with the additions of Cabrera and Ramirez.

This is bitching just to bitch.

voodoochile
03-19-2008, 04:52 PM
What would you have done then? Would you be bitching if Uribe was not re-signed and the Sox ended up without a SS?

No see, the Eckstein signing or the Cabrera trade were guaranteed. The Sox never needed Uribe. Pressure and time constraints be damned, KW should have known that he could have had either of those two and never signed Uribe back in the first place, get it?

If not consult this site: www.themindofthemunch.com for further information...

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 04:52 PM
I'm bitching at the notion that resigning Uribe in the first place was anything but an absolutely horrible move. And those trying to say otherwise are either extremely biased or extremely stupid.

It was no doubt a stupid move, but Williams was in a bad spot at that time. He needed a SS, plain and simple. At that time the other big options out there was slimmed to Eckstein... certainly Williams didn't want Eckstein at the price he was asking at that time. Then OC came to be available and the trade was made.

Had Williams NOT signed Uribe, we either A) overpay in a hurry for Eckstein B) not have a true SS until the start of the season.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Williams was left with no choice at that time.

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:53 PM
I'm bitching at the notion that resigning Uribe in the first place was anything but an absolutely horrible move. And those trying to say otherwise are either extremely biased or extremely stupid.
It was an insurance policy.
Has it sunk in yet exactly how terrible Juan Uribe is?
Did you see that list and how horrible someof those guys are? Freddy Bynum? Belliard? Guzman? Your hatred for all things Uribe is clouding your judgement of him.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:53 PM
By no means am I a grammatical expert, but how should it have been said?
It read like a double negative.

Madvora
03-19-2008, 04:54 PM
So if Uribe goes 72 hours, he gets $4.5 million from us and then can still sign with another team later on and get more money?

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:55 PM
It was an insurance policy.

Did you see that list and how horrible someof those guys are? Freddy Bynum? Belliard? Guzman? Your hatred for all things Uribe is clouding your judgement of him.

At least half of the guys on that list are worse than Uribe.

thomas35forever
03-19-2008, 04:55 PM
:popcorn:

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:55 PM
What would you have done then? Would you be bitching if Uribe was not re-signed and the Sox ended up without a SS?

Yes. And why shouldn't I? There were free agent and trade options.

Just because we could sign the worst option for too much money and be done with it doesn't mean we should. Did it give Kenny leverage or something? Why is Kenny operating under the assumption that other general managers are idiots? Today, only one general manager looks stupid.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:55 PM
At least half of the guys on that list are worse than Uribe.

Did you stop watching baseball in the last two years?

doublem23
03-19-2008, 04:56 PM
Juan Uribe now is not Juan Uribe 2005. Eckstein is better defensively and offensively now. You want to disagree? At least somebody wanted Eckstein.

Obviously we need to model our organization after the Blue Jays. :rolleyes:

Eckstein is an overacheiving, aging shortstop who played less than 120 games last year. And he signed a bigger deal than Uribe! So if we alter this off-season and swap Uribe's "awful" contract with the apparently "great" one that Eckstein got, the Sox would still be in this predicament, except they'd owe another crappy middle infielder even more than the owe their current crappy middle infielder.

Great plan! :thumbsup:

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:57 PM
Yes. And why shouldn't I? There were free agent and trade options.

Just because we could sign the worst option for too much money and be done with it doesn't mean we should. Did it give Kenny leverage or something? Why is Kenny operating under the assumption that other general managers are idiots? Today, only one general manager looks stupid.

I'll give you one thing here, munch, if we are to say that signing Uribe as a backup plan in case the Sox didn't get the man they wanted to play SS, we could carry that out to pretty much every position there's reason to upgrade at and it would end up in a mess.

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:57 PM
Juan Uribe now is not Juan Uribe 2005. Eckstein is better defensively and offensively now. You want to disagree? At least somebody wanted Eckstein.
Eckstein has limited to negative range and he needs to damn near take a running start to make the throw to 1st. Offensively he has 0 power and minimal speed. If you cant steal bases you better be able to drive the ball somewhere. If you drive it you better be able to steal it he does neither. So Uribe is better than Eckstein on both sides of the ball and he makes less than Eckstein.

LITTLE NELL
03-19-2008, 04:58 PM
If Alexi is going to be the new 2B why is he playing CF today? Something else is going to happen soon.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 04:58 PM
Obviously we need to model our organization after the Blue Jays. :rolleyes:

Eckstein is an overacheiving, aging shortstop who played less than 120 games last year. And he signed a bigger deal than Uribe! So if we alter this off-season and swap Uribe's "awful" contract with the apparently "great" one that Eckstein got, the Sox would still be in this predicament, except they'd owe another crappy middle infielder even more than the owe their current crappy middle infielder.

I'd rather have an overacheiving, aging shortstop at any price than an underachieving, lazy shortstop at league minimum.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:58 PM
Did you stop watching baseball in the last two years?

Well, I stopped watching major league baseball, since I was way too excited about Fautino de los Santos to watch anything other than minor league ball.

doublem23
03-19-2008, 04:58 PM
Eckstein has limited to negative range and he needs to damn near take a running start to make the throw to 1st. Offensively he has 0 power and minimal speed. If you cant steal bases you better be able to drive the ball somewhere. If you drive it you better be able to steal it he does neither. So Uribe is better than Eckstein on both sides of the ball and he makes less than Eckstein.

He's so grindy though.

getonbckthr
03-19-2008, 04:58 PM
At least half of the guys on that list are worse than Uribe.
Thats what i'm saying. Munchman either:
A) really hates Uribe
B) really hates Kenny
or
C) Really hates Kenny and Uribe.

WhiteSox5187
03-19-2008, 04:58 PM
Juan Uribe now is not Juan Uribe 2005. Eckstein is better defensively and offensively now. You want to disagree? At least somebody wanted Eckstein.
I think Eckstein is certainly a better offensive player than Uribe, but Uribe is a better defensive shortstop (even though he only tries when he wants), problem is Eckstein has a bad back and is getting near the end of his career. But at the peak of their careers Eckstein was better than Uribe overall, but you're losing some D with Eckstein. I thought he'd be a much better second baseman.

kittle42
03-19-2008, 04:59 PM
Thats what i'm saying. Munchman either:
A) really hates Uribe
B) really hates Kenny
or
C) Really hates Kenny and Uribe.

I generally fall under C myself, but I can be objective.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 05:00 PM
Eckstein has limited to negative range and he needs to damn near take a running start to make the throw to 1st. Offensively he has 0 power and minimal speed. If you cant steal bases you better be able to drive the ball somewhere. If you drive it you better be able to steal it he does neither. So Uribe is better than Eckstein on both sides of the ball and he makes less than Eckstein.

You stopped watching Juan Uribe play, didn't you?

He can't make contact with the ball. And his range is about what Eckstein is now.

Madvora
03-19-2008, 05:00 PM
What was the point of playing Uribe this spring in the first place. If you were going to cut him after hitting .333 in the spring, then what's the point? I could see if he was hitting .100 and they just gave up, but it's obvious that no matter what he did, they were going to can him anyway... either that or some new deal must have just came up.

CWSpalehoseCWS
03-19-2008, 05:01 PM
If Alexi is going to be the new 2B why is he playing CF today? Something else is going to happen soon.
Richar was supposed to start at 2B but had an MRI done on his back instead.

ilsox7
03-19-2008, 05:01 PM
I'd rather have an overacheiving, aging shortstop at any price than an underachieving, lazy shortstop at league minimum.

This makes no sense. You are complaining b/c the Sox essentially flushed $4.5MM down the drain, yet are saying it doesn't matter what the Sox spend as long as they put the better player on the field? Well, going with Cabrera is putting the better player on the field. Your two trains of thought cannot be reconciled.

EDIT: Unless, of course, you seriously would have supported the multi-year, mega-millions deal Eckstein sought. And even then, you would not have had a guarantee that the Sox would have won that "sweepstakes."

FedEx227
03-19-2008, 05:01 PM
You stopped watching Juan Uribe play, didn't you?

He can't make contact with the ball. And his range is about what Eckstein is now.

I hate Uribe more than any other Sox player over the past 2-3 years (Darin Erstad included) and there is absolutely NO way Eckstein is anywhere NEAR Uribe defensively from a range standpoint or throwing arm. That's a beyond STUPID comment. Please do us a favor and watch baseball.

I HAAAAATE Juan Uribe for the record, absolutely loathe the way he plays baseball, but that is a ridiculous comment... absolutely baseless and ridiculous.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 05:01 PM
Thats what i'm saying. Munchman either:
A) really hates Uribe
B) really hates Kenny
or
C) Really hates Kenny and Uribe.

I generally fall under C myself, but I can be objective.


I'm actually very surprised there are people who call themselves Sox fans that actually like Juan Uribe. He was a huge part of the problem last year, attitude and talent-wise.

munchman33
03-19-2008, 05:03 PM
I hate Uribe more than any other Sox player over the past 3-4 years (Darin Erstad included) and there is absolutely NO way Eckstein is anywhere NEAR Uribe defensively from a range standpoint or throwing arm. That's a beyond STUPID comment. Please do us a favor and watch baseball.

Uribe is fat and lazy. His range is not even close to what it was. You don't believe me, look up his statistically range factor. Pretty dang close to Eckstein now.