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Brian26
02-29-2008, 06:06 PM
I was reading the Sporting News 2008 Baseball Yearbook this morning on the train. I saw two things that I couldn't believe.

Would you believe it if I said Frank Thomas only has *one* more career hit than Sammy Sosa?

Would you believe Omar Vizquel has more career hits than Frank Thomas?

Vizquel- 2598 hits
Thomas- 2409 hits
Sosa- 2408 hits

Corlose 15
02-29-2008, 06:45 PM
Injuries and the steroids era has really hurt Frank's legacy. If he had stayed healthy he'd be closing in on 3,000 hits to go with his 500+ HR.


Only 4 players have accomplished that and one of them was Palmeiro.

rdivaldi
02-29-2008, 06:50 PM
I can believe it. It's hard to get hits when you're taking walks because people are afraid to pitch to you.

To put it in perspective, neither Vizquel or Sosa have 1,000 walks. Frank is closing in on 1,700.

California Sox
02-29-2008, 07:04 PM
I can believe it. It's hard to get hits when you're taking walks because people are afraid to pitch to you.

To put it in perspective, neither Vizquel or Sosa have 1,000 walks. Frank is closing in on 1,700.

Absolutely. And reaching base 4,000 times in your career? That's good.

mccombe_35
03-01-2008, 12:15 PM
Absolutely. And reaching base 4,000 times in your career? That's good.

& to put it in perspective, Frank has already reached base more times than guys like Carew, Hornsby, & Gwynn

soxfan13
03-02-2008, 07:32 AM
Injuries and the steroids era has really hurt Frank's legacy. If he had stayed healthy he'd be closing in on 3,000 hits to go with his 500+ HR.


Only 4 players have accomplished that and one of them was Palmeiro.

Now im not a huge Thomas fan but the steroid issue has only helped Franks legacy in my opinion.

hose
03-02-2008, 08:37 AM
Career .OBP

Big Hurt - .421----ding ding ding we have a winner

Vizquel- .340

Sam Sosa- .344

Brian26
03-02-2008, 09:14 AM
Career .OBP

Big Hurt - .421----ding ding ding we have a winner

Vizquel- .340

Sam Sosa- .344

Right. I don't think anyone here is questioning whether or not Frank is a better offensive player than stinkin' Omar Vizquel or Corky. It's just funny to see Vizquel with a higher hit total than Frank, but that was already addressed regarding Frank's career walks.

voodoochile
03-02-2008, 09:30 AM
Now im not a huge Thomas fan but the steroid issue has only helped Franks legacy in my opinion.

Well, if there weren't a steroid issue, none of these punks would be able to sniff Frank's jock...

FedEx227
03-02-2008, 12:46 PM
Great, but Thomas destroys them in walks.

Lets go by Career "Times on Base (H+BB)":

Thomas: 4037

Sosa: 3337

Vizquel: 3539

MisterB
03-02-2008, 01:05 PM
Right. I don't think anyone here is questioning whether or not Frank is a better offensive player than stinkin' Omar Vizquel or Corky. It's just funny to see Vizquel with a higher hit total than Frank, but that was already addressed regarding Frank's career walks.

Not just the walks.

Career Games Played

Vizquel.......2588
Sosa..........2354
Thomas......2251

Thomas has lost significant time due to injury.

FedEx227
03-02-2008, 01:55 PM
Not just the walks.

Career Games Played

Vizquel.......2588
Sosa..........2354
Thomas......2251

Thomas has lost significant time due to injury.

Good stuff.

Times on Base per game

Thomas: 1.79
Sosa: 1.41
Vizquel: 1.36

kaufsox
03-02-2008, 11:30 PM
Omar's looking pretty good. He never got paid for his offense. My guess though is the steroid era shortstops are going to hurt his chances of being in the Hall of Fame.

santo=dorf
03-03-2008, 12:44 AM
Omar's looking pretty good. He never got paid for his offense. My guess though is the steroid era shortstops are going to hurt his chances of being in the Hall of Fame.
Why should Omar Vizquel miss the HOF if Ozzie Smith is in it? (Not directing this towards you but you mentioned Omar going to the HOF.)

kaufsox
03-03-2008, 01:42 PM
Why should Omar Vizquel miss the HOF if Ozzie Smith is in it? (Not directing this towards you but you mentioned Omar going to the HOF.)

I agree with you on the reasoning that if Ozzie is worthy then so is Omar, but what I think is going to happen is that is their shortsightedness, the BWAA will look at the offensive numbers of shortstops during the past twenty years and judge Omar according to that. I hope I'm wrong, but I can see the talking heads comparing him to Tejada, Jeter, Arod, etc. Vizquel is a better shortstop than all of them, but isn't an offensive machine. Again, hope I'm wrong

soxfan13
03-03-2008, 02:01 PM
I agree with you on the reasoning that if Ozzie is worthy then so is Omar, but what I think is going to happen is that is their shortsightedness, the BWAA will look at the offensive numbers of shortstops during the past twenty years and judge Omar according to that. I hope I'm wrong, but I can see the talking heads comparing him to Tejada, Jeter, Arod, etc. Vizquel is a better shortstop than all of them, but isn't an offensive machine. Again, hope I'm wrong

They will also be looking at the height of the steroid issue when looking at those offensive numbers. Which in my mind make it a even stronger case for Omar.