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Viva Medias B's
01-26-2008, 08:23 PM
In a spinoff to Old Harry & Jimmy videos from TV-44 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=96909) thread, how would it be best to characterize the aura of Harry Caray indulging in libations during the game? I am certainly old enough to have seen Harry do White Sox games, but I was not quite old enough to, uh, appreciate, let's say, this aspect of Harry's broadcasting on the South Side.

joepoe
01-26-2008, 09:13 PM
Harry was a boozer and the greatest beer salesman in the world. He single-handedly kept Falstaff afloat in the 70's and sold a crap load of Budweiser during his Cub tenure. The Cub fan believes Harry had some special affinity for cubbie Blue. That makes me laugh my ass off.

SoxFanSince67
01-26-2008, 09:23 PM
If I recall Harry was never around for the late innings of a double-hitter. I always assumed he'd had to much by then.

Nellie_Fox
01-27-2008, 12:33 AM
If I recall Harry was never around for the late innings of a double-hitter. I always assumed he'd had to much by then.Does a double hitter hold twice as much ganja as a one hitter? I think you meant double header.

DSpivack
01-27-2008, 01:38 AM
Does a double hitter hold twice as much ganja as a one hitter? I think you meant double header.

:smokin:

I think Harry just the one vice:

:gulp:

Well, maybe not just one, but the other doesn't, and shouldn't, have an icon.

Lip Man 1
01-27-2008, 11:02 AM
I know from having sat near him when he'd broadcast from the center field bleachers on Wednesday afternoon home games, that he'd quaf a number of cold one's!

Lip

viagracat
01-27-2008, 11:17 AM
Harry and Piersall back in the day will never be equaled, for better or worse.

Falstaff! That was terrible beer. Do they even still sell it? I mean, that name brings back memories of other long-gone (at least in Chicago) beers like Carling's Black Label, Drewry's, Meister Brau, Peter Hand's Old Chicago and so on...

TDog
01-27-2008, 11:26 AM
Harry was a boozer and the greatest beer salesman in the world. He single-handedly kept Falstaff afloat in the 70's and sold a crap load of Budweiser during his Cub tenure. The Cub fan believes Harry had some special affinity for cubbie Blue. That makes me laugh my ass off.

... when, in fact, Harry Caray was a beer prostitute. His allegiance was not to the team as much as the beer who was sponsoring him, even though the Sox had other sponsors. On television, the 1970s Chevy adds with the players were more memorable than the beer commercials.

One year, the television beer sponsor was Hamms and the radio sponsor was Fallstaff. Harry Caray was doing a game from the centerfield bleachers and he was being simulcast on radio and television. Someone nearby was shouting about Falstaff, and Caray was dead silent on the beer issue.

I believe there was a time when Cubs television was Budweiser-sponsored and radio was all about Old Style and Caray was doing innings on both radio and television. I'm guessing in that case there was no beer talk on the radio.

Sox
01-27-2008, 01:36 PM
I remember reading a blurb in an Issue of Sports's Illustrated where Harry was quoted as saying after a ballplayer was injured, "Well I guess he'll have to go back to the dugout and get a shot of cocaine." to which Steve Stone replied, "That's novacaine Harry.":tongue:

JNS
01-27-2008, 02:56 PM
... when, in fact, Harry Caray was a beer prostitute. His allegiance was not to the team as much as the beer who was sponsoring him, even though the Sox had other sponsors. On television, the 1970s Chevy adds with the players were more memorable than the beer commercials.

One year, the television beer sponsor was Hamms and the radio sponsor was Fallstaff. Harry Caray was doing a game from the centerfield bleachers and he was being simulcast on radio and television. Someone nearby was shouting about Falstaff, and Caray was dead silent on the beer issue.

I believe there was a time when Cubs television was Budweiser-sponsored and radio was all about Old Style and Caray was doing innings on both radio and television. I'm guessing in that case there was no beer talk on the radio.

You are correct - and he was one helluva beer salesman.

HOWEVER - beer was NOT Harry's booze 'o choice. He was a scotch man all the way. He certainly drank beer in the broadcast boost - and how any one could have imbibed Falstaff is beyond me - one of the all-time, no contest WORST beers ever brewed.

but that was for effect. He drank Chivas or Johnny Walker Black at the Pump Room and his other haunts.

JNS
01-27-2008, 03:00 PM
Harry and Piersall back in the day will never be equaled, for better or worse.

Falstaff! That was terrible beer. Do they even still sell it? I mean, that name brings back memories of other long-gone (at least in Chicago) beers like Carling's Black Label, Drewry's, Meister Brau, Peter Hand's Old Chicago and so on...

What a great list of ancient, forgotten, un-missed slop! You only forgot Canadian Ace - Capone's brand!

JNS
01-27-2008, 03:02 PM
:smokin:

I think Harry just the one vice:

:gulp:

Well, maybe not just one, but the other doesn't, and shouldn't, have an icon.

Just one? I guess you have never heard the tales of his carrying on with one of the Busch wives (or maybe more than one) in St. Louis!

I think he had a pronounced weakness for the ladies as well.

EDIT: My bad - I didn't see your last sentence - you do know.

HITMEN OF 77
01-27-2008, 03:19 PM
Falstaff! That was terrible beer. Do they even still sell it? I mean, that name brings back memories of other long-gone (at least in Chicago) beers like Carling's Black Label, Drewry's, Meister Brau, Peter Hand's Old Chicago and so on...

Meister Brau Lite was what is now Miller Lite, hence the spelling.

batmanZoSo
01-27-2008, 03:29 PM
:smokin:

I think Harry just the one vice:

:gulp:

Well, maybe not just one, but the other doesn't, and shouldn't, have an icon.

He used to http://pages.cthome.net/postroad/iconsex-makeout.gif with Busch's daughter in the booth.

Also I think he had a http://pages.cthome.net/postroad/iconsex-footfetish.gif

Mod Edit: Wrong Site. See you in a week.

Lip Man 1
01-27-2008, 08:13 PM
Both of you guys forgot Blatz beer!

Lip

DumpJerry
01-27-2008, 11:40 PM
I have memories of Harry "discussing" how he had his "7 ounce buddies" with him during the game. Miller made an 8 pack of 7 ounce bottles and Harry would drink 'em down during the games.

Sometimes Harry would get do hammered, you could not understand what he was saying after the 7th Inning and Jimmy would translate or just cut off Harry's rambling stories about a hotel lobby encounter with an obscure player in 1954......

Railsplitter
01-28-2008, 06:28 AM
I remember reading a blurb in an Issue of Sports's Illustrated where Harry was quoted as saying after a ballplayer was injured, "Well I guess he'll have to go back to the dugout and get a shot of cocaine." to which Steve Stone replied, "That's novacaine Harry.":tongue:

Harry might have been on to something there. :wink:

I remeber the "Holy Cow" commercials for Falstaff. Harry would be on screen with costume like the Bovine half of Moo and Oink, only with a halo.

JNS
01-28-2008, 08:42 AM
Both of you guys forgot Blatz beer!

Lip

Yikes! Right you are - and Stroh's, although I think it is still around in some form or another. Stroh's used to be pretty good, actually.

My Dad once told me that a distant cousin who was an ad guy in Milwaukee invented the Hamm's bear, but i have no idea who he might have been.

viagracat
01-28-2008, 10:26 AM
Both of you guys forgot Blatz beer!

Lip

I didn't "forget", Lip...I just supressed the memory of that slop.

I also didn't forget Hamm's, Stroh's, Schlitz, Buckhorn and the other crap that passed for beer back then. I just prefer not to think about them. :cool:

Supposedly the Yuppies had a brief fad for drinking the beer "their grandfathers in their sleeveless T-shirts" used to drink (like the aforementioned), but as far as I know, that's over. At least I hope so.

viagracat
01-28-2008, 10:32 AM
My Dad once told me that a distant cousin who was an ad guy in Milwaukee invented the Hamm's bear, but i have no idea who he might have been.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Hamm%27s_Beer_Bear.JPG/350px-Hamm%27s_Beer_Bear.JPG

According to Wiki, it was an Ojibway Indian who came up with the symbol in 1952.

JNS
01-28-2008, 11:58 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Hamm%27s_Beer_Bear.JPG/350px-Hamm%27s_Beer_Bear.JPG

According to Wiki, it was an Ojibway Indian who came up with the symbol in 1952.None of this indicates that it was any reletive of mine, butit does credit an ad agency - Campbell Mithune. EDIT: As you point out, the Wiki entry says the same ting but credits an individual with Campbell-Mithune, the Ojibway guy.

Hamm's Beer Bear - Paunchy animated mascot for the Theo. Hamm Brewing Company spot that ran as a sequel to a Hamm's commercial that featured beavers beating on tom-toms. Introduced in a regional Midwest TV spot, the Bear first appeared in a 1952 black-and-white commercial entitled "Bear Beer" that combined live-action and animation. The ad spot used the Hamm's tagline "Yes, from the Land of Sky Blue Waters, to you...comes Hamm's; the beer refreshing as the crisp, cool land it's brewed in, the beer that captures for you the wonderful refreshment of this enchanted Northland." Throughout all his commercials, the friendly Hamm's Bear danced and jumped and bounced around, but never in any of his spots did he speak (In the mid 1960s he said one-line "It bears repeating"). The book The Paws of Refreshment: The Story of Hamm's Beer Advertising (Pogo Press, 1990) chronicled the bear's rocky history who hailed "from the land of sky blue waters." Sasha the Bear (trained by Earl Hammond) appeared in a number of Hamm's commercials. The Campbell-Mithun advertising agency created the first Hamm's Bear ad campaign. In 2000, St. Paul's Pioneer Press named the bear as a runner-up on its list of "150 Influential Minnesotans of the Past 150 Years." TRIVIA NOTE: The words from the Hamm's Beer Theme "From The Land of Skye-Blue Water" were from a 1909 poem by Charles Wakefield Cadma (c) 1937 by Edwin H. Morris & Company. The theme music by Nelle Richmond Eberhart.
"From the Land of Sky Blue Waters (Waters),
From the land of pines, lofty balsam,
Comes the beer refreshing,
Hamm's the Beer Refreshing".

http://www.tvacres.com/images/hamms_book.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0961776765/tvacrestheweb-20)
The Paws of Refreshment: A History of Hamm's Beer Advertising (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0961776765/tvacrestheweb-20)

DumpJerry
01-29-2008, 06:36 AM
Yikes! Right you are - and Stroh's, although I think it is still around in some form or another. Stroh's used to be pretty good, actually.

My Dad once told me that a distant cousin who was an ad guy in Milwaukee invented the Hamm's bear, but i have no idea who he might have been.
The first time my mom busted me for drinking in high school it was Stroh's. She asked me why Stroh's and I told her it was because they sponsored the White Sox.

When I left to go to college in Minnesota in 1980, I was horrified to learn that Stroh's was not sold in Minnesota. I made the guys in my dorm drive me to Wisconsin to get the stuff. I would load up on 10 cases per trip and save it for special occasions. I was known as "Stroh's Bob" on campus. Finally, after about four years, Stroh's and Schlitz came together under the same corporate umbrella with some other breweries and Stroh's was finally shipped into Minnesota.:bandance:

ode to veeck
01-29-2008, 07:49 AM
You are correct - and he was one helluva beer salesman.

HOWEVER - beer was NOT Harry's booze 'o choice. He was a scotch man all the way. He certainly drank beer in the broadcast boost - and how any one could have imbibed Falstaff is beyond me - one of the all-time, no contest WORST beers ever brewed.

but that was for effect. He drank Chivas or Johnny Walker Black at the Pump Room and his other haunts.


... as did Jack Brickhouse as well, who was just as big a boozer in his day, just not in the broadcast booth for the most part.

I loved it when they'd be switching back from a commercial to quick and Harry would be caught on camera slamming down a beer. Sometimes Harry woudn't be around for the game after the 7th inning stretch, let alone a double header.