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beasly213
01-23-2008, 12:40 PM
The title of this thread says it all.

Let's break down a few key points on why this should be done.

-The Sox are in "Win Now" mode.
Bringing in a proven veteran CF and proven leadoff hitter are two things the Sox need big time if they really want to win this year.

-It moves Nick Swisher to a more comfortable position in LF
He's even said he isn't a fan of playing CF and this makes our outfield stronger glove wise.

-He should be cheap and you probably could sign him to a 1 year deal
Again win now mode. Bring in someone to address two needs and not have to pay a high premium for it.

-If this doesn't work out there will be plenty of teams wanting him come the trade deadline.
Remember last year how many people wanted Kenny? If the Sox are out of it and looking to dump players there will be people looking for a veteran on their team.


So those are just a few reasons why I think Kenny needs to be on the South Side again.

What are your thoughts?

skottyj242
01-23-2008, 12:45 PM
Why not post this in What's the Score?

soxfan21
01-23-2008, 12:46 PM
We could probably get him cheap, but I think that his age is coming into question now. I think that he probably has 2 maybe 3 years left in him, and as you mentioned he is a veteran with plenty of experience and is a proven leadoff man. I think that if we could get him cheap, then why not just try it out and see how it works, if he doesn't work out, like you said we can trade him and hopefully at least get a few prospects in return and I think that we have proven backups in Owens and Quentin.

Chicken Dinner
01-23-2008, 12:53 PM
I don't think the Sox are in a "win now" mode. If they were they would of opened up the checkbook and signed some guys to "non-good business sense" contracts. 1 year rental players usually don't make a big impact for either party.

jabrch
01-23-2008, 12:58 PM
Why Not Sign Kenny Lofton? (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1777863#post1777863)


I want nothing to do with him again. Remember the last time he was here?

gr8mexico
01-23-2008, 01:00 PM
HELL NO!!! That guy is lazy and has a very bad work ethic. After he left all this stuff was talked about on the radio.

jenn2080
01-23-2008, 01:15 PM
Certainly that is what the Sox need. Why not bring in another outfielder?

southsidesoxfan1
01-23-2008, 01:31 PM
Curse of Kenny Lofton

Kenny Lofton is no stranger to post-season play. He's been on a playoff team in 11 of the last 13 seasons. Yet many of his teams have suffered some of the most epic collapses in baseball history.

1995 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1995_WS.shtml), Cleveland: Lost WS to Atlanta in 6 games. Only team to lose a WS clincher on a one-hitter. Batted .200.

1996 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1996_ALDS1.shtml), Cleveland: Lost ALDS to Orioles in 4 games. Blew 3-2 lead in top of ninth -- three outs away from tying the series at 2-2. Orioles won game (and series) with a 12th inning run. Batted .167.

1997 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1997_NLCS.shtml), Atlanta: Lost NLCS to wild-card Marlins in 6 games. With series tied 2-2, lost "Eric Gregg/Livan Hernandez" game, then lost at home 7-4. Batted .185.

1998 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1998_ALCS.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 2-1 ALCS lead, losing three straight to the Yankees. Batted .185.

1999 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1999_ALDS1.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 2-0 ALDS lead, losing three straight to the Red Sox (9-3, 23-7, 12-8). Team had no hits against Pedro in last 6 innings of Game 5 at home. Batted .167.

2001 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALDS1.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 2-1 ALDS lead, losing two straight to the Mariners. Batted .105.

2002 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2002_WS.shtml), Giants: Blew a 3-2 World Series lead to the Angels, including a 5-0 lead in the seventh inning of Game 6. Nine outs away from the championship, lost two straight (6-5, 4-1). Batted .290.

2003 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2003_NLCS.shtml), Cubs: Blew a 3-1 NLCS lead to Florida, including a 3-0 lead in the 8th inning of Game 6 (5 outs from 1st pennant since 1945). Lost three straight, including the final two at home. Batted .323.

2004 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2004_ALCS.shtml), Yankees: Blew a 3-0 ALCS lead to Boston. Three outs away from sweeping the Red Sox, lost four straight. Played in 3 games, batted .300.

2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2006_NLDS1.shtml), Dodgers: Swept by Mets in NLDS. Batted .071.

2007 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2007_ALCS.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 3-1 ALCS lead, losing three straight to the Red Sox. Was stopped at third in 7th inning of Game 7; might have scored game-tying run. Batted .222.

Note to MLB teams hoping to do well in the 2008 post-season: do not sign Kenny Lofton.

mjmcend
01-23-2008, 01:33 PM
Curse of Kenny Lofton

Kenny Lofton is no stranger to post-season play. He's been on a playoff team in 11 of the last 13 seasons. Yet many of his teams have suffered some of the most epic collapses in baseball history.

1995 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1995_WS.shtml), Cleveland: Lost WS to Atlanta in 6 games. Only team to lose a WS clincher on a one-hitter. Batted .200.

1996 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1996_ALDS1.shtml), Cleveland: Lost ALDS to Orioles in 4 games. Blew 3-2 lead in top of ninth -- three outs away from tying the series at 2-2. Orioles won game (and series) with a 12th inning run. Batted .167.

1997 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1997_NLCS.shtml), Atlanta: Lost NLCS to wild-card Marlins in 6 games. With series tied 2-2, lost "Eric Gregg/Livan Hernandez" game, then lost at home 7-4. Batted .185.

1998 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1998_ALCS.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 2-1 ALCS lead, losing three straight to the Yankees. Batted .185.

1999 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1999_ALDS1.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 2-0 ALDS lead, losing three straight to the Red Sox (9-3, 23-7, 12-8). Team had no hits against Pedro in last 6 innings of Game 5 at home. Batted .167.

2001 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2001_ALDS1.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 2-1 ALDS lead, losing two straight to the Mariners. Batted .105.

2002 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2002_WS.shtml), Giants: Blew a 3-2 World Series lead to the Angels, including a 5-0 lead in the seventh inning of Game 6. Nine outs away from the championship, lost two straight (6-5, 4-1). Batted .290.

2003 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2003_NLCS.shtml), Cubs: Blew a 3-1 NLCS lead to Florida, including a 3-0 lead in the 8th inning of Game 6 (5 outs from 1st pennant since 1945). Lost three straight, including the final two at home. Batted .323.

2004 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2004_ALCS.shtml), Yankees: Blew a 3-0 ALCS lead to Boston. Three outs away from sweeping the Red Sox, lost four straight. Played in 3 games, batted .300.

2006 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2006_NLDS1.shtml), Dodgers: Swept by Mets in NLDS. Batted .071.

2007 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2007_ALCS.shtml), Cleveland: Blew a 3-1 ALCS lead, losing three straight to the Red Sox. Was stopped at third in 7th inning of Game 7; might have scored game-tying run. Batted .222.

Note to MLB teams hoping to do well in the 2008 post-season: do not sign Kenny Lofton.

What is more amazing is that he has been to the playoffs 11 out of the last 13 years.

beasly213
01-23-2008, 02:19 PM
Stupid Murph.
About an hour after I posted this he started talking about it on the score.

The Sox need a lead off hitter and a CF...bad.

Jerry Owens in the OF with year makes me shudder.

turners56
01-23-2008, 03:46 PM
Lofton was an ass in 02, that didn't work too well. I doubt KW is going to bring him back again, might end up in a screaming match between Lofton and Ozzie, cause unlike Manual, Ozzie has some bawls.

FedEx227
01-23-2008, 03:51 PM
No thank you. Just slapping another veteran on a team that needs to get younger.

Lofton is in no way an answer, his numbers have been on a steady decline and he is not the leadoff man or the base stealer he once was.

If you watch him the second half in Cleveland he was beginning to show real signs of age not to mention the previous attitude problems.

No thank you.

The Immigrant
01-23-2008, 03:52 PM
beasly213 = Kenny Lofton.

Frontman
01-23-2008, 03:54 PM
I thought he retired.

Pretty much any time Murph suggests anything for the Sox, I turn the dial off. I don't follow his 'baseball logic' when it comes to making the Sox better.

Milkman43
01-23-2008, 04:08 PM
If given an everyday job in CF, Jerry Owens will steal 50-60 bases. He should be our CF and leadoff hitter.

Daver
01-23-2008, 04:21 PM
If given an everyday job in CF, Jerry Owens will steal 50-60 bases. He should be our CF and leadoff hitter.

Damn shame he can't play CF at all.



Kenny Lofton might be older than I am, that's scary.

JorgeFabregas
01-23-2008, 04:23 PM
Our outfield is set.

russ99
01-23-2008, 04:24 PM
If given an everyday job in CF, Jerry Owens will steal 50-60 bases. He should be our CF and leadoff hitter.

I'd like to see him have some quality at-bats and get on base a lot in spring games before I'm sold on that. He did look better in August and September.

He's certainly an option, and Cabrera has some downright scary numbers leading off in the past. I'm not sold on Swisher leading off or in CF either.

If Owens wins the job, Owens, Cabrera, Swisher looks like a pretty good lineup to me.

thedudeabides
01-23-2008, 04:24 PM
Damn shame he can't play CF at all.



Kenny Lofton might be older than I am, that's scary.

Daver,

What do you think of Swisher defensively in CF? I haven't seen enough of him at that position.

gf2020
01-23-2008, 04:29 PM
Damn shame he can't play CF at all.
My understanding has been that if Owens won a starting job in spring training that Swisher would be moved to left and Owens would start in center.

I'm asking because I don't know. Who would be better in center-- Swisher or Owens?

Dolanski
01-23-2008, 04:45 PM
Its kinda hard to play CF when you have a walker. Also, night games go way past bedtime, and day games interfere with the early bird special at the Old Country Buffet.


Oh and if you can't read between the lines, we shouldn't sign him because he is OLD.

DumpJerry
01-23-2008, 05:08 PM
This thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=96073) is still on the first page of WTS.

It pretty much answers all questions about Kenny Lofton.

voodoochile
01-23-2008, 05:10 PM
What is more amazing is that he has been to the playoffs 11 out of the last 13 years.

Most likely because the only teams that will sign him are playoff contenders who need a quick fix for CF and want some speed and a leadoff hitter.

Daver
01-23-2008, 05:10 PM
Daver,

What do you think of Swisher defensively in CF? I haven't seen enough of him at that position.

He can read the ball off the bat, and his arm is not a liability, that makes him a 100% improvement over Jerry AAAA Owens.

beasly213
01-24-2008, 08:34 AM
Despite rumors...I am not Kenny Lofton.

Although everyone is so against this idea (and I see your points) I don't think it would be a horrible move to bring him in.

Having a guy who hit .293 and stole 23 bases isn't exactly a horrible thing.

I'm not shouting to the heavens for Kenny Lofton to be a member of the White Sox again but if he came aboard I wouldn't mind it. Especially if he had to earn the starting job.

chisox77
01-24-2008, 08:47 AM
Lofton may still have some ability left, but I would pass on him. Too much baggage.



:cool:

SOXSINCE'70
01-24-2008, 09:18 AM
He can read the ball off the bat, and his arm is not a liability, that makes him a 100% improvement over Jerry AAAA Owens.

:hawk

"YESSSSSS!!"

Flight #24
01-24-2008, 09:34 AM
Curse of Kenny Lofton

Kenny Lofton is no stranger to post-season play. He's been on a playoff team in 11 of the last 13 seasons. Yet many of his teams have suffered some of the most epic collapses in baseball history.

Note to MLB teams hoping to do well in the 2008 post-season: do not sign Kenny Lofton.

Sounds like a pretty simple solution: Sign him to a 1-yr deal and then DFA him for the postseason. Problem solved!

Frater Perdurabo
01-24-2008, 10:11 AM
Sounds like a pretty simple solution: Sign him to a 1-yr deal and then DFA him for the postseason. Problem solved!

Maybe he can accidentally suffer an injury from a T-shirt gun the day after the Sox clinch the division...

soxinem1
01-24-2008, 11:22 AM
If given an everyday job in CF, Jerry Owens will steal 50-60 bases. He should be our CF and leadoff hitter.

I agree 100%. We already have a younger version of Lofton. Let Owens develop. I have a feeling Owens is going to do nicely this season.

I just hope he doesn't use this board for encouragement.:smile:

Can't have a veteran at every position. Develop your own players once in awhile.

chaerulez
01-24-2008, 12:33 PM
No thank you. Just slapping another veteran on a team that needs to get younger.

Lofton is in no way an answer, his numbers have been on a steady decline and he is not the leadoff man or the base stealer he once was.

If you watch him the second half in Cleveland he was beginning to show real signs of age not to mention the previous attitude problems.

No thank you.

Really sums it up right there, declining skills and attitude issues.

And who says Owens has the CF locked up? Swisher could get it, hell BA is still on the 40 man right? You never know. Turn it into an open competition and let the best player in ST get it.

Lofton doesn't add anything, except a guy you'll be forced to play otherwise he'll start *****ing.

Huisj
01-24-2008, 02:08 PM
Turn it into an open competition and let the best player in ST get it.


The Sox have a great recent track record with this strategy.