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Mr. Man
01-14-2008, 09:17 AM
This Site (http://homerderby.com/archives/1720) posted some 1979 Harry Caray video (already posted at WSI) and some new 1980 video.

It was linked by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/extramustard/01/11/hotclicks.0111/index.html) over the weekend.
I'm perturbed that SI put it in a section called "Baseball Blasphemy"

At least SI readers now know that Harry's singing was a South Side innovation.

russ99
01-14-2008, 10:36 AM
This Site (http://homerderby.com/archives/1720) posted some 1979 Harry Caray video (already posted at WSI) and some new 1980 video.

It was linked by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/extramustard/01/11/hotclicks.0111/index.html) over the weekend.
I'm perturbed that SI put it in a section called "Baseball Blasphemy"

At least SI readers now know that Harry's singing was a South Side innovation.

Actually the real blasphemy was how the north siders turned Harry into a clown in his later years.

eriqjaffe
01-14-2008, 10:40 AM
I'm perturbed that SI put it in a section called "Baseball Blasphemy"It's blasphemy in the same way that it was blasphemy that Galileo's heliocentrism was blasphemous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo#Church_controversy) - true even though a lot of people don't want to admit or believe it.

WizardsofOzzie
01-14-2008, 11:12 AM
Yeah, and they are also the same crew to give us this gem
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7028/0405largehq6.jpg

In short, who cares?

Fenway
01-14-2008, 12:34 PM
Yeah, and they are also the same crew to give us this gem


In short, who cares?

SI is good at that

This gem from 1987. The best team in the AL finished 61-101 :tongue:

http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/1987/0406_large.jpg

skottyj242
01-14-2008, 12:53 PM
Have they found out yet that he also worked for............the Cardinals?

Goose
01-14-2008, 12:59 PM
Have they found out yet that he also worked for............the Cardinals?

Not to mention his brief stint with the A's.

The Cubs is just where he turned into a cartoon.

batmanZoSo
01-14-2008, 01:32 PM
This Site (http://homerderby.com/archives/1720) posted some 1979 Harry Caray video (already posted at WSI) and some new 1980 video.

It was linked by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/extramustard/01/11/hotclicks.0111/index.html) over the weekend.
I'm perturbed that SI put it in a section called "Baseball Blasphemy"

At least SI readers now know that Harry's singing was a South Side innovation.

That's pathetic. They should know their history better than that.

It just goes to show you that just because these writers have jobs doesn't mean they have the foggiest what they're talking about, which is why we shouldn't put too much stock in what they say, which is why we shouldn't dwell on them as much as we do.

spawn
01-14-2008, 01:35 PM
I'm just wondering why they felt the need to write about this 10 years after the man's death. I agree with batmanZoso...they should no their history better.

Brings up an interesting thought...how many Cub fans do you think knew this?

HITMEN OF 77
01-14-2008, 01:56 PM
Who cares what SI thinks. Those that were around in the 70's and listened to the Sox games know how good Caray was.

PalehosePlanet
01-14-2008, 02:09 PM
I'm missing the logic, if there is any, of the article/statement.

Since Harry was with us first, and since the singing of Take me Out to The Ballgame originated with us and was our tradition; as well as his on air beer promotions and drunkeness; wouldn't it be blashemy that he went to the cubs????

After all they are the ones who stole our tradition. Oh and BTW: What kind of organzation does that? Maybe they'll start singing Na Na Hey Hey next or Sweet Caroline --- the two best traditions in baseball.

balke
01-14-2008, 02:32 PM
I think the article is just a play on the fact that Cubs and Sox fans pretty much hate each other overall. So for one's icon to sing take me out to the ballgame for the other, it would seem "blasphemous".

This is just an "attention grabber" headline that is meant for a small dose of humor and information for people that might not know that much about Harry Caray.

I don't see why its got some of you flustered.

SaltyPretzel
01-14-2008, 02:36 PM
I remember during an interview with Bob Costas that he said that his time with the White Sox was the best time of his life.

Foulke You
01-14-2008, 02:40 PM
I'm just wondering why they felt the need to write about this 10 years after the man's death. I agree with batmanZoso...they should no their history better.

Brings up an interesting thought...how many Cub fans do you think knew this?
It's amazing how many Cub fans I've run into that didn't know about Harry Caray being on the South Side first and the 7th inning tradition starting at Comiskey. I find that the Cub fans who are transplants from other cities tend to be the ones that are most shocked when I tell them.

PalehosePlanet
01-14-2008, 02:50 PM
It's amazing how many Cub fans I've run into that didn't know about Harry Caray being on the South Side first and the 7th inning tradition starting at Comiskey. I find that the Cub fans who are transplants from other cities tend to be the ones that are most shocked when I tell them.

And transplant cub fans seem to make up about 50% of the fan base. I swear living in Lincoln Square --- about a mile and a half NW of Wrigley --- has tought me two things: 1) That almost everyone in Lakeview is from Michigan and has become a cub fan, and 2) That when the cubs are sucking they bust out their tigers hats.

They only know of Harry circa the 90's.

Hitmen77
01-14-2008, 02:55 PM
SI is good at that

This gem from 1987. The best team in the AL finished 61-101 :tongue:

http://i.cnn.net/si/si_online/covers/images/1987/0406_large.jpg

Ah, the great Cory Snyder. He was just awesome for the Sox in '91. Thinking about him makes me want to ...:puking:

Chilli Palmer
01-14-2008, 02:58 PM
And transplant cub fans seem to make up about 50% of the fan base. I swear living in Lincoln Square --- about a mile and a half NW of Wrigley --- has tought me two things: 1) That almost everyone in Lakeview is from Michigan and has become a cub fan, and 2) That when the cubs are sucking they bust out their tigers hats.

They only know of Harry circa the 90's.

I lived in Lakeview for 3 years you are dead on balls accurate with your observation. Lakeview is a very transient neighborhood and they all become Cub fans when in reality they are fans of the Cub games but could give a rats ass about the actual team. I was not alive when Harry was with the Sox so I do not know how his broadcasts were but from what I read it seems like him and Piersall were quite the combo.

D. TODD
01-14-2008, 03:04 PM
Harry Carry is a perfect example of how many fans just cheer and talk **** about their guys vs. their rival teams guys. It often has little to do with the actual guys abilities. As a kid my cub fan friends use to constantly talk **** about Harry as a drunk with Jimmy P. they were HORRIBLE to listen to while they were with the Sox as announcers according to them. Once he came to the northside he became the best ever. They now LOVED their Harry.

Rodman is another example in this city. Many guys who hated his cheap shot style of play as a "bad boy" in Detroit mugging Pippen, now began to defend him as being picked on by the refs when he would mug Karl Malone and the like as a Bull. Same guy same game totally different opinions and eyesight when they are a rival opposed to "your guy".

russ99
01-14-2008, 03:39 PM
I remember during an interview with Bob Costas that he said that his time with the White Sox was the best time of his life.

Damn, dude. That just made me choke up a little.

Harry and Jimmy were so much fun. It was a shame it didn't last longer, but it's one of those things like paper and fire. It's so combustible it can't last long, but burned hot when it did.

Chrisaway
01-14-2008, 03:52 PM
Harry Carry is a perfect example of how many fans just cheer and talk **** about their guys vs. their rival teams guys. It often has little to do with the actual guys abilities. As a kid my cub fan friends use to constantly talk **** about Harry as a drunk with Jimmy P. they were HORRIBLE to listen to while they were with the Sox as announcers according to them. Once he came to the northside he became the best ever. They now LOVED their Harry.

Rodman is another example in this city. Many guys who hated his cheap shot style of play as a "bad boy" in Detroit mugging Pippen, now began to defend him as being picked on by the refs when he would mug Karl Malone and the like as a Bull. Same guy same game totally different opinions and eyesight when they are a rival opposed to "your guy".

So in a sense youre comparing Harry to AJ?

SBSoxFan
01-14-2008, 03:58 PM
So in a sense youre comparing Harry to AJ?

hehe. I was thinking the same thing.

Lip Man 1
01-14-2008, 08:44 PM
Hitmen:

Don't know if you ever read this. You might want to...there was more going on with Snyder then was apparent at the time:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=1689

Lip

soxinem1
01-14-2008, 09:13 PM
It's amazing how many Cub fans I've run into that didn't know about Harry Caray being on the South Side first and the 7th inning tradition starting at Comiskey. I find that the Cub fans who are transplants from other cities tend to be the ones that are most shocked when I tell them.

It's also amazing how many cub fans didn't know they gave us Jon Garland too.

But regarding this article, I find it more blasphemous that the cubs exploited a guy who should have been off for the year recovering from a stroke, then rode him all the way to the bank.

Then when it was clear that he was nothing close to the announcer he was prior to his stroke, they kept sending him out there to butcher names, blow calls, and make an ass of himself.

Is SI a little slow with the facts here or what?

chisoxfanatic
01-14-2008, 09:35 PM
I'm missing the logic, if there is any, of the article/statement.

Since Harry was with us first, and since the singing of Take me Out to The Ballgame originated with us and was our tradition; as well as his on air beer promotions and drunkeness; wouldn't it be blashemy that he went to the cubs????
That was my exact thought.

RadioheadRocks
01-14-2008, 09:44 PM
This Site (http://homerderby.com/archives/1720) posted some 1979 Harry Caray video (already posted at WSI) and some new 1980 video.

It was linked by Sports Illustrated (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/extramustard/01/11/hotclicks.0111/index.html) over the weekend.
I'm perturbed that SI put it in a section called "Baseball Blasphemy"

At least SI readers now know that Harry's singing was a South Side innovation.

Actually in reading the article, it clearly states that "Home Run Derby gives us a history lesson on how Harry Caray's classic seventh-inning stretch singing came about. It didn't start with the Cubs." I think the interpretation of the "Baseball Blasphemy" headline is what's throwing folks here.

slavko
01-14-2008, 10:03 PM
Hitmen:

Don't know if you ever read this. You might want to...there was more going on with Snyder then was apparent at the time:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=1689

Lip

Lip
Question for you: Hriniak---more harm than good? In your opinion, of course. And Frank and Robin were great hitters before they came here.

Sox
01-14-2008, 10:11 PM
It's truly sadder that Harry isn't alive to rebutt what these buttheads said about him. Writing this crap about Harry after he's gone is cowardly..........

Lip Man 1
01-15-2008, 11:23 AM
Slavko:

Considering how many players disliked him (including one Sammy Sosa) and considering the Sox only won one playoff spot while he was here (so much for his genius tag) then I'd say yes to your question.

Charlie Lau was also considered a genius hitting coach with Kansas City and the Sox but the difference between them was, Lau never forced his views on a player. He'd wait until the player came to him for help or advice. That meant the player was actually ready and willing to listen.

Lip

Frontman
01-15-2008, 12:27 PM
True Sox fans, and knowledgeable baseball fans; know and accept the truth.

SI/ESPN/whomever can spin things however they want, but Sox fans appreciate Harry's time on the Southside.

chaerulez
01-15-2008, 12:33 PM
It's blasphemy in the same way that it was blasphemy that Galileo's heliocentrism was blasphemous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo#Church_controversy) - true even though a lot of people don't want to admit or believe it.

That's how I look at it, they are taking a shot at how people are ignorant to the real facts about Caray not a shot at the Sox themselves.

D. TODD
01-15-2008, 01:25 PM
So in a sense youre comparing Harry to AJ?
Yes, he is another great example. ******* to great guy all depending on the uniform he has on.