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nodiggity59
01-04-2008, 03:01 PM
Per MLB Trade Rumors :rolleyes:


Scott Wuerz runs through (http://bellevillenewsdemocrat.typepad.com/viewfromthecheapseats/2008/01/buyers-market.html) various possible Cardinals targets. He notes that the Pirates had considered the White Sox their best possible trade partner for Jason Bay, and are disappointed by Chicago's Nick Swisher acquisition.



Last year it would have been a slam dunk I'd prefer Bay, but Bay did struggle and Swish has a sweet contract. Bay may have cost more (Fields, DLS, Gio) too.

Rocky Soprano
01-04-2008, 03:08 PM
Bay would of been awesome, I like him more than Swisher.

steely712
01-04-2008, 03:10 PM
With the young talent that we have given away, and KW said that he is in it to win now, why don't we come up with an offer to get Bay over here. The guy is a stud. How about Crede, Uribe, Ramirez or Broadway. I mean if we are going to actually try to contend this year, and it seems like we might, then why not throw some more prospects at Pitt to get another stud to play left field.

getonbckthr
01-04-2008, 03:14 PM
With the young talent that we have given away, and KW said that he is in it to win now, why don't we come up with an offer to get Bay over here. The guy is a stud. How about Crede, Uribe, Ramirez or Broadway. I mean if we are going to actually try to contend this year, and it seems like we might, then why not throw some more prospects at Pitt to get another stud to play left field.
If we are gonna get a Pirate I want it to be one of their starters.

btrain929
01-04-2008, 03:15 PM
With the young talent that we have given away, and KW said that he is in it to win now, why don't we come up with an offer to get Bay over here. The guy is a stud. How about Crede, Uribe, Ramirez or Broadway. I mean if we are going to actually try to contend this year, and it seems like we might, then why not throw some more prospects at Pitt to get another stud to play left field.

Cuz we have no prospects left to intrigue Pittsburgh with. Quentin, Broadway, and Aardsma? No way that gets it done. I'm assuming our position player upgrades are complete. The only upgrades I see possibly coming is to the pitching or to the bench.

steely712
01-04-2008, 03:17 PM
This would be a wicked linup:

1: Cabrera SS
2: Bay LF
3: Thome DH
4: Konerko 1B
5: Dye RF
6: Swisher CF
7: Fields 3B
8: A.J. C
9: Richar 2B

This linup can contend with anyone. They lack a little speed, but who would want to pitch to that.

IceczMan
01-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Cuz we have no prospects left to intrigue Pittsburgh with. Quentin, Broadway, and Aardsma? No way that gets it done. I'm assuming our position player upgrades are complete. The only upgrades I see possibly coming is to the pitching or to the bench.


We are talking about the Pirates though...

palehozenychicty
01-04-2008, 03:25 PM
If we are gonna get a Pirate I want it to be one of their starters.


Bingo.

spawn
01-04-2008, 03:25 PM
Jason Bay in '07- ,247 AVG. 21 HR 84 RBI.327 OBP .418 SLG 59 BB 141 SO .746 OPS

Nick Swisher in '07- .262 AVG. 22 HR 78 RBI .381 obp .455 SLG 100 BB 131 SO .836 OPS

Let's ad to this that Bay hit against weaker NL pitching than Swisher. Now tell me why Jason Bay would be a better acquisition?

mjmcend
01-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Jason Bay in '07- ,247 AVG. 21 HR 84 RBI.327 OBP .418 SLG 59 BB 141 SO .746 OPS

Nick Swisher in '07- .262 AVG. 22 HR 78 RBI .381 obp .455 SLG 100 BB 131 SO .836 OPS

Let's ad to this that Bay hit against weaker NL pitching than Swisher. Now tell me why Jason Bay would be a better acquisition?

Don't forget did it in a much friendlier hitters park too.

getonbckthr
01-04-2008, 03:32 PM
Jason Bay in '07- ,247 AVG. 21 HR 84 RBI.327 OBP .418 SLG 59 BB 141 SO .746 OPS

Nick Swisher in '07- .262 AVG. 22 HR 78 RBI .381 obp .455 SLG 100 BB 131 SO .836 OPS

Let's ad to this that Bay hit against weaker NL pitching than Swisher. Now tell me why Jason Bay would be a better acquisition?

Don't forget did it in a much friendlier hitters park too.
Isn't Swisher younger and alot cheaper as well?

steely712
01-04-2008, 03:32 PM
I definitely would not say that he would be a better aquisition, but I do believe that with both players, they will continually help our ball club. It is totally a pipe dream, but I would love to get Bay into a Sox uniform.

the1tab
01-04-2008, 03:39 PM
Then we could have had a night to celebrate people who look like Lex Luthor from "Smallville"... or a Folically Challenged night, celebrating the progression from Paulie's solar panel to Bay's waxed dome...

Swisher's younger, cheaper, and has a better eye at the plate. I'd rather have him if we have to choose between these two players in exchange for our farm system.

TomBradley72
01-04-2008, 03:47 PM
If we're going to trade...let's trade for PITCHING. We allowed 839 runs to score in 2007...we've added Linebrink and subtracted Garland...we need pitching....pitching...pitching.

spawn
01-04-2008, 03:51 PM
If we're going to trade...let's trade for PITCHING. We allowed 839 runs to score in 2007...we've added Linebrink and subtracted Garland...we need pitching....pitching...pitching.
Word. I think our offense will be strong enough without adding another bat.

chisox77
01-04-2008, 03:56 PM
The next move, or two that KW will make will be for pitching. I feel that the White Sox are set with position players for now. Besides, I like Swisher more than Bay, and I'm glad that we got him.


:cool:

raven1
01-04-2008, 07:45 PM
The next move, or two that KW will make will be for pitching. I feel that the White Sox are set with position players for now. Besides, I like Swisher more than Bay, and I'm glad that we got him.


:cool:
I agree that we need pitching, and hope that KW is quietly looking at upgrade options. However, we still have one offensive hole to fill - a real leadoff hitter. Cabrera or Swisher would be good #2 hitters, but we need someone fast at the top of the lineup unless we really believe that this will be Jerry Owens breakout year.

Jjav829
01-04-2008, 09:43 PM
Jason Bay in '07- ,247 AVG. 21 HR 84 RBI.327 OBP .418 SLG 59 BB 141 SO .746 OPS

Nick Swisher in '07- .262 AVG. 22 HR 78 RBI .381 obp .455 SLG 100 BB 131 SO .836 OPS

Let's ad to this that Bay hit against weaker NL pitching than Swisher. Now tell me why Jason Bay would be a better acquisition?

Vernon Wells - .245 AVG, 16 HR, 80 RBI, .706 OPS

Raul Ibanez - .291 AVG, 21 HR, 105 RBI, .831 OPS

I'd take Ibanez over Wells anyway.

It's easy to cherrypick each player's last season to prove a point. How about the prior two seasons?

Bay
2006 - .286 AVG, 35 HR, 109 RBI, .928 OPS
2005 - .306 AVG, 32 HR, 101 RBI, .961 OPS

Swisher
2006 - .254 AVG, 35 HR, 95 RBI, .864 OPS
2005 - .236 AVG, 21 HR, 74 RBI, .768 OPS

Not exactly baffling to see why Bay would be a better acquisition.

If you want to say Swisher is a better acquisition because he's cheaper, can play more positions, younger, didn't battle through a knee injury all of last year, or whatever other reasons, those are all acceptable. But Bay's numbers were down due to his injury.

eriqjaffe
01-04-2008, 10:12 PM
Personally, I'd bet my money on the bob-tailed nag.

Frater Perdurabo
01-05-2008, 06:52 AM
Vernon Wells - .245 AVG, 16 HR, 80 RBI, .706 OPS

Raul Ibanez - .291 AVG, 21 HR, 105 RBI, .831 OPS

I'd take Ibanez over Wells anyway.

It's easy to cherrypick each player's last season to prove a point. How about the prior two seasons?

Bay
2006 - .286 AVG, 35 HR, 109 RBI, .928 OPS
2005 - .306 AVG, 32 HR, 101 RBI, .961 OPS

Swisher
2006 - .254 AVG, 35 HR, 95 RBI, .864 OPS
2005 - .236 AVG, 21 HR, 74 RBI, .768 OPS

Not exactly baffling to see why Bay would be a better acquisition.

If you want to say Swisher is a better acquisition because he's cheaper, can play more positions, younger, didn't battle through a knee injury all of last year, or whatever other reasons, those are all acceptable. But Bay's numbers were down due to his injury.


But don't we also need to take all of their numbers into context? Bay plays in the inferior NL, in the really inferior NL Comedy Central. Swisher's played 81 games per year in the über-pitcher's park in Oakland.

Lukin13
01-05-2008, 11:09 AM
I just hope if we trade for pitching that it is a significant upgrade over Danks/Floyd/Broadway.

Unless it is a Bedard or Blanton type name I just assume roll the dice with our kids instead of bringing in a slightly older, more expensive question mark... in exchange for what little young talent we have left.

I like Ervin Santana and I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Fatolo, but why? How much more confidence do you have in them than Danks; and Danks is free!

BainesHOF
01-05-2008, 11:20 AM
The inevitable trade of Crede needs to be for pitching.

Jjav829
01-05-2008, 11:21 AM
But don't we also need to take all of their numbers into context? Bay plays in the inferior NL, in the really inferior NL Comedy Central. Swisher's played 81 games per year in the über-pitcher's park in Oakland.

Sure, but there's a pretty big difference between those numbers, especially in 05, regardless of ballpark or league. In terms of ballpark factor, PNC hasn't exactly been a hitter's paradise. Last year it ranked 20th, while McAfee ranked 29th. In 2006, PNC was 14th, while McAfee was 24th. And in 2005, McAfee actually ranked 7th while PNC ranked 11th.

Anyway, this is drifting from my original point. They are both good players, but let's not act like Bay is some far inferior player because he struggled last season with a knee injury.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-05-2008, 11:28 AM
Bay would of been awesome, I like him more than Swisher.


You know what would have been REALLY awesome? If the Sox had gotten eBay! No more worries about revenue and paying for a talented payroll!

Sweet!!!

:wink:

ZombieRob
01-05-2008, 02:06 PM
Jason Bay in '07- ,247 AVG. 21 HR 84 RBI.327 OBP .418 SLG 59 BB 141 SO .746 OPS

Nick Swisher in '07- .262 AVG. 22 HR 78 RBI .381 obp .455 SLG 100 BB 131 SO .836 OPS

Let's ad to this that Bay hit against weaker NL pitching than Swisher. Now tell me why Jason Bay would be a better acquisition?
What were his stats against interleague? career wise.

turners56
01-06-2008, 01:06 PM
This would be a wicked linup:

1: Cabrera SS
2: Bay LF
3: Thome DH
4: Konerko 1B
5: Dye RF
6: Swisher CF
7: Fields 3B
8: A.J. C
9: Richar 2B

This linup can contend with anyone. They lack a little speed, but who would want to pitch to that.

Bay isn't a second place hitter and if we had gotten him, Swisher wouldn't even be there. Sox don't have enough good prospects to pull it off. We traded half of them away. xD.

turners56
01-06-2008, 01:08 PM
What were his stats against interleague? career wise.


Bay is a better player than Swisher based on career stats. Bay is great on defense, good on the base paths and he'll give you 30 HR and 100 RBI annually if he doesn't have a crappy year like last year. I'd take him rather than Swisher in a heartbeat.