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Rockabilly
12-20-2007, 04:25 PM
Catchers
Michael Barrett (32)
Johnny Estrada (33)
Jason Kendall (35) - club option for '09; vests with 110 games played in '08
Paul Lo Duca (37)
Ivan Rodriguez (37)
David Ross (32)
Jason Varitek (37)
Gregg Zaun (38) - $3.75MM vesting option for '09; vests with 160 games played in '08
First basemen
Ben Broussard (32)
Carlos Delgado (37) - $16MM mutual option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with a $5MM buyout
Scott Hatteberg (39)
Kevin Millar (37)
Richie Sexson (34)
Mark Teixeira (29)
Second basemen
Mark Ellis (32)
Mark Grudzielanek (39)
Orlando Hudson (31)
Jeff Kent (41)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Mark Loretta (37)
Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (34)
David Eckstein (34)
Adam Everett (32)
Rafael Furcal (31)
Cristian Guzman (31)
Cesar Izturis (29)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Edgar Renteria (33) - $11MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Juan Uribe (30)
Omar Vizquel (42) - $5.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout
Third basemen
Casey Blake (35)
Hank Blalock (28) - $6.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Joe Crede (31)
Nomar Garciaparra (35)
Troy Glaus (32) - $11.25MM player option for '09
Wes Helms (33) - $3.75MM club option for '09
Chipper Jones (37) - $8-11MM vesting option for '09
Left fielders
Moises Alou (42)
Garret Anderson (37) - $14MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Milton Bradley (31)
Pat Burrell (32)
Carl Crawford (27) - $8.25MM club option for '09 with $2.5MM buyout
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) - $3MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Raul Ibanez (37)
Jacque Jones (34)
Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09
Craig Monroe (32)
Jay Payton (36)
Wily Mo Pena (27) - $5MM club option or $2MM player option for '09
Manny Ramirez (37) - $20MM club option for '09
Juan Rivera (30)
Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27) - $6MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jacque Jones (34)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (35)
Casey Blake (35)
Milton Bradley (31)
Brian Giles (38) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - $16.5MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Jacque Jones (34)
DHs
Milton Bradley (31)
Pat Burrell (32)
Adam Dunn (29)
Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with $5MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout
Raul Ibanez (37)
Manny Ramirez (37) - $20MM club option for '09
Juan Rivera (30)
Frank Thomas (41) - $10MM option for '09; vests with 376 PAs in '08
Jim Thome (38) - $13MM club option for '09 with $3MM buyout
Jose Vidro (34) - vesting option for '09
Starting pitchers
A.J. Burnett (32) - can opt out after '08 season
Paul Byrd (38)
Ryan Dempster (32)
Jon Garland (29)
Tom Glavine (43)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Randy Johnson (45)
John Lackey (30) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Esteban Loaiza (37) - $7.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.375MM buyout
Braden Looper (34)
Derek Lowe (36)
Greg Maddux (43)
Pedro Martinez (37)
Matt Morris (34) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $1MM buyout
Jamie Moyer (46)
Mark Mulder (31) - $11MM club option for '09 with a $1.5MM buyout
Mike Mussina (40)
Brad Penny (31) - $8.75MM club option for '09 with a $2MM buyout
Oliver Perez (27)
Andy Pettitte (37)
Kenny Rogers (44)
C.C. Sabathia (28)
Johan Santana (30)
Curt Schilling (42)
Ben Sheets (30)
John Smoltz (42) - $12MM club option for '09
Tim Wakefield (42) - perpetual $4MM club option
Woody Williams (42) - $6.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Randy Wolf (32)
Closers
Joe Borowski (38)
Ryan Dempster (32)
Brian Fuentes (33)
Eric Gagne (33)
Trevor Hoffman (41)
Jason Isringhausen (36)
Todd Jones (41)
Brad Lidge (32)
Joe Nathan (34)
Al Reyes (38)
Francisco Rodriguez (27)
Rafael Soriano (29)
Middle relievers
Doug Brocail (42) - club option for '09
Juan Cruz (28)
Alan Embree (39) - $3MM club option for '09
Scott Eyre (37)
Kyle Farnsworth (33)
Aaron Fultz (35)
Tom Gordon (41) - $4.5MM club option for '09 with a $1MM buyout
LaTroy Hawkins (36)
Matt Herges (39) - club option for '09
Bob Howry (35)
Steve Kline (36)
Brandon Lyon (29)
Damaso Marte (34) - $6MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Guillermo Mota (35)
Will Ohman (31)
Darren Oliver (38)
Juan Rincon (30)
Russ Springer (40)
Mike Stanton (42) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout
Mike Timlin (43)
Salomon Torres (37) - $3.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout
Oscar Villarreal (27)
David Weathers (39)
Dan Wheeler (31)
Kerry Wood (32)

munchman33
12-20-2007, 04:32 PM
You know you've had a bad offseason, when...

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 04:34 PM
Crawford, Rameriez and Teixera seem to be the best position players.

Rockabilly
12-20-2007, 04:35 PM
You know you've had a bad offseason, when...

Yeah this off season has been brutal so far.. So its kind of nice to see who is on the open market next year... I wouldn't mind having at least 10 players on that list for the Sox

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 04:35 PM
Chances Garland comes back to the sox?

DumpJerry
12-20-2007, 04:36 PM
Barrett signed a contract yesterday.

spawn
12-20-2007, 04:38 PM
Chances Garland comes back to the sox?
Slim to none, and slim left an hour ago.

munchman33
12-20-2007, 04:44 PM
Barrett signed a contract yesterday.

Wasn't it a one year deal though?

munchman33
12-20-2007, 04:45 PM
Chances Garland comes back to the sox?

About as likely as Johan Santana signing here.

Rockabilly
12-20-2007, 04:47 PM
I would love to see the Sox sign K Rod, Hudson and Crawford

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 04:48 PM
I would love to see the Sox sign K Rod, Hudson and Crawford
I love Hudson and Crawford but in what reason would K-Rod come to the Sox unless for some odd reason they trade Jenks?

Noneck
12-20-2007, 04:59 PM
I don't see the Sox breaking their piggy bank money they stored from not signing Hunter except for maybe Crawford. But I'm sure he will want a minimum of a 5 year contract which the Sox probably won't agree to and he'll want to play for a contender. So who's available in 2010?

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 05:04 PM
I don't see the Sox breaking their piggy bank money they stored from not signing Hunter except for maybe Crawford. But I'm sure he will want a minimum of a 5 year contract which the Sox probably won't agree to and he'll want to play for a contender. So who's available in 2010?
As much as I would love to get Crawford (maybe we can pick him up by the trade deadline but doubt it) I would not be surpried if the Sox sign Rocco Balldelli who they have always had intrest in.

mjmcend
12-20-2007, 05:20 PM
Crawford, Rameriez and Teixera seem to be the best position players.

Not a chance the DRays don't pick up his option. I also very much doubt that the Red Sox don't pick up Manny's option.

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 05:23 PM
I would love it if the Sox signed Lackey or Penny.

mjmcend
12-20-2007, 05:28 PM
I would love it if the Sox signed Lackey or Penny.

Both their options will be picked up as well. If Carlos Silva just got $12 million, think of how valuable a good pitcher who makes less than that is in today's market.

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 05:29 PM
Both their options will be picked up as well. If Carlos Silva just got $12 million, think of how valuable a good pitcher who makes less than that is in today's market.
I hate options.

mjmcend
12-20-2007, 05:40 PM
I hate options.

If there wasn't any options, then we wouldn't have Juan Uribe..... oh, wait.

the1tab
12-20-2007, 05:56 PM
Crawford, Rameriez and Teixera seem to be the best position players.

No chance on earth ATL doesn't lock up Teixiera long term after giving up the ranch for him last year. He'll be a Brave for just about as long as Andruw and Chipper were/are

On the other side of the coin, though... I'm not totally sold on Boston re-upping Manny. If memory serves, he wasn't the most popular BoSaux player last year in January and February and he isn't getting any younger. Manny being Manny has made himself an icon in Boston, but he might find himself a way to be a DH after next year, and Papi is staying in Bean Town.

balke
12-20-2007, 07:50 PM
Crawford, Rameriez and Teixera seem to be the best position players.

Did you not see Vlad on there?

ND_Sox_Fan
12-20-2007, 07:58 PM
Did you not see Vlad on there?

I was thinking Adam Dunn certainly belongs on that list of top players. While his best position might be DH, his power and OBP cannot be discounted, even by the Ks. At age 29, a hefty, long-term deal will certainly have his name on it.

jabrch
12-20-2007, 08:34 PM
At age 29, a hefty, long-term deal will certainly have his name on it.

Ah yes...Damn close to 200 strikeouts...Just what every team should want to pay 15mm for...

I'm hoping some team pays him a ton of money - and that it is not the Sox.

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 08:39 PM
Ah yes...Damn close to 200 strikeouts...Just what every team should want to pay 15mm for...

I'm hoping some team pays him a ton of money - and that it is not the Sox.
I've always wanted a swing and miss type. Homerun or strikeout. Does anyone know if Joe Borchard is available?

cwsfannick
12-20-2007, 08:41 PM
I like the idea of Raul Ibanez on the Sox. He seems to always kill us.

SoxNation05
12-20-2007, 08:47 PM
I like the idea of Raul Ibanez on the Sox. He seems to always kill us.
I also like the idea. He can spell Dye, PK, Thome and when Quinton is unable to start the season he could play LF. I'm not sure if he has good OBP but he sounds like a great fit.

soxinem1
12-20-2007, 08:48 PM
Chances Garland comes back to the sox?

http://www.funnyhub.com/pictures/img/hell-freezes-over.jpg


In all honesty, the starters in that group are going to rake in the $$$$$$

SBSoxFan
12-20-2007, 09:38 PM
I've always wanted a swing and miss type. Homerun or strikeout. Does anyone know if Joe Borchard is available?

:rolleyes: His career OBP is .381.

ND_Sox_Fan
12-20-2007, 11:01 PM
:rolleyes: His career OBP is .381.

BINGO - sure the Ks aren't productive outs (not moving runners over), but other than that, there is no difference between his Ks and any other .380 OBP player's groundouts or flyouts.

Hmmm ... last time I checked, there aren't too many .380 OBP guys who hit 40 HRs, averaged over 100 RBIs and 100 runs scored over the last 4 seasons. Gee - his numbers would be a terrible replacement for Thome in the DH role.

soxfanreggie
12-20-2007, 11:27 PM
I don't see Crawford leaving TB, unless in a trade. They would be stupid to not exercise their option. With the buy-out on Baldelli being $4 mil and the contract only $6 mil, they would probably exercise that too. If he could stay healthy, he would be an integral part of their team.

soxfan26
12-21-2007, 01:13 AM
Is it just me or has Moises Alou been 42 for the last 3 years?

BadBobbyJenks
12-21-2007, 02:27 AM
Did you not see Vlad on there?

Did u not see the angels have an option on him?

soxrme
12-21-2007, 08:56 AM
I would love to see the Sox sign K Rod, Hudson and Crawford
I am sure this will be the plan for next year

balke
12-21-2007, 09:12 AM
BINGO - sure the Ks aren't productive outs (not moving runners over), but other than that, there is no difference between his Ks and any other .380 OBP player's groundouts or flyouts.

Hmmm ... last time I checked, there aren't too many .380 OBP guys who hit 40 HRs, averaged over 100 RBIs and 100 runs scored over the last 4 seasons. Gee - his numbers would be a terrible replacement for Thome in the DH role.

Thome in the same amount of AB's would get 5+ more homeruns in a season, with .040 higher OBP. His OPS and Slg are higher against righties.

But no, he's not a terrible replacement for Thome, they are quite similar.

balke
12-21-2007, 09:20 AM
Did u not see the angels have an option on him?

No, I didn't. But, looking at it that's a 15Mil deal with a 3Mil buyout. I'd bet he could get 20+ mil per over 5 if he wants. A good season could send him into free agency, unless the Angels sign him long term.

Scottiehaswheels
12-21-2007, 09:26 AM
No, I didn't. But, looking at it that's a 15Mil deal with a 3Mil buyout. I'd bet he could get 20+ mil per over 5 if he wants. A good season could send him into free agency, unless the Angels sign him long term.Um.. the buyout is held by the club, not the player? And if he has a good season why would the Angels buy him out and then pay more for his services the same year?

balke
12-21-2007, 09:35 AM
Looking at the list of shortstops...

And assuming the Sox can re-sign Cabrera... I like that deal a little more with Garland. There's not a lot out there going into 09', and I think the Sox should rebuild around a SS if they can.

If they end up with a good SS in the draft, having Cabrera around to get him started would be great. Kenny has talked before about his ideal team being built around his SS.

balke
12-21-2007, 09:36 AM
Um.. the buyout is held by the club, not the player? And if he has a good season why would the Angels buy him out and then pay more for his services the same year?

Ah, so its an opt-out if a player does it then? I was trying to figure that out. I thought by buyout it meant for Vlad to buyout of it he could pay 3 mil.

SBSoxFan
12-21-2007, 02:09 PM
Thome in the same amount of AB's would get 5+ more homeruns in a season, with .040 higher OBP. His OPS and Slg are higher against righties.

But no, he's not a terrible replacement for Thome, they are quite similar.

I looked up Thome's numbers for comparison with Dunn's OBP. It's amazing how much better Thome's stats look. Although Dunn would seem to be a good replacement, he'd still be a good drop from Thome. The only upside is I think Dunn now hits lefties better than Thome.

Scottiehaswheels
12-21-2007, 02:22 PM
Ah, so its an opt-out if a player does it then? I was trying to figure that out. I thought by buyout it meant for Vlad to buyout of it he could pay 3 mil.The opt out clause I think only pertains to players who are traded in the midst of a long term contract. The player option is basically used by players with diminished stats/skills/injury concerns to basically put their services to a team.

Goose
12-21-2007, 02:30 PM
In all honesty, the starters in that group are going to rake in the $$$$$$

I am sure that the market will have corrected itself by then.

the1tab
12-21-2007, 02:52 PM
I am sure that the market will have corrected itself by then.

When has the market ever corrected itself? So long as there's an idiot out there willing to give Jose Guillen and his suspension $11 million per or Carlos Silva $12 million per, then there are going to be agents that will, and rightfully so in this marketplace, tell an owner/GM that a guy like Hunter is, relatively, worth $18 million per season.

Unless teams (Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Royals?) stop throwing ridiculous amount of money at role players, then there will never be a correction on superstar contracts. The only player that hasn't wrecked the market is ARod... which still is kinda shocking that another contract hasn't caught up to his in the 5 (?) years since he signed w/ Texas.

soxinem1
12-21-2007, 10:39 PM
When has the market ever corrected itself? So long as there's an idiot out there willing to give Jose Guillen and his suspension $11 million per or Carlos Silva $12 million per, then there are going to be agents that will, and rightfully so in this marketplace, tell an owner/GM that a guy like Hunter is, relatively, worth $18 million per season.

Unless teams (Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Royals?) stop throwing ridiculous amount of money at role players, then there will never be a correction on superstar contracts. The only player that hasn't wrecked the market is ARod... which still is kinda shocking that another contract hasn't caught up to his in the 5 (?) years since he signed w/ Texas.

True, but an awful lot of them are getting very close...

Madscout
12-26-2007, 09:47 AM
I'll bet Santana's new one will break it.

the1tab
12-26-2007, 10:14 AM
I'll bet Santana's new one will break it.

Maybe in annual payout, but not in total years... the day a pitcher gets a 10 year deal is the day the league needs to close its doors and shut down. NO pitcher is a sure thing to stay healthy for 6 months, much less a decade, and especially not at 30 years old. I like Santana to get north of $20m per, but I can't imagine it being more than 5 yrs for $100m

Save McCuddy's
12-26-2007, 10:23 AM
I looked up Thome's numbers for comparison with Dunn's OBP. It's amazing how much better Thome's stats look. Although Dunn would seem to be a good replacement, he'd still be a good drop from Thome. The only upside is I think Dunn now hits lefties better than Thome.

Let's not make it an either or thing. Dunn looks like a gold glover in left compared to the tenants we've had out there the past 8 years or so. I'd love to have them both in the line up 3rd and 5th every day.

jabrch
12-26-2007, 12:09 PM
Dunn looks like a gold glover in left


:o:

I'm wondering if you have ever seen Dunn play LF. He's amongst the absolute worst in the game. He's about as bad as Manny Ramirez. He's no better than Raul Ibanez - who sucks. Maybe Pat Burrell is as bad as he is. Bonds decaying carcas sucks.

But to say he looks like a gold glovoer compared to ANYONE is ridiculous. Dunn is a DH in the making - and the sooner the better.

stl_sox_fan
12-26-2007, 04:20 PM
I would love it if the Sox signed Lackey or Penny.

Who is this Lackey you speak of? Thanks to Harvey Keitel he will always be "Schmendrik" to me.

Man, not too many "Young Guns" on that FA list.

Save McCuddy's
12-26-2007, 05:15 PM
:o:

I'm wondering if you have ever seen Dunn play LF. He's amongst the absolute worst in the game. He's about as bad as Manny Ramirez. He's no better than Raul Ibanez - who sucks. Maybe Pat Burrell is as bad as he is. Bonds decaying carcas sucks.


But to say he looks like a gold glovoer compared to ANYONE is ridiculous. Dunn is a DH in the making - and the sooner the better.

Perhaps gold glover was a bit ambitious ... Just meant to say that a steady diet of the likes of Carlos, Pods and Pablo has prepared me for the entertainment of the Big Donkey.

btrain929
01-14-2008, 10:52 AM
I think this year we did a lot to reload and tool our offense. I think next year will be the year we reload and rebuild our rotation.

Buehrle and Vaz will be sure things. After '08, we will know what we have in Danks and Floyd (and whether or not we have to dump one of them.) Lets assume Danks works out and Floyd doesn't. That's our 3rd starter. Contreras will be in his contract year, and we know how we love moving pitchers in their contract year. We'll save 7-10 mil (depending on if we have to throw in cash to sweeten the return).

This will leave 2 rotation spots for trades/FA signings/Egbert, Broadway, or Haeger (if they're still around and do well in AAA in '08). The only free agents I saw that would be interesting (and don't have options) are Derek Lowe, Ben Sheets, Randy Wolf, and Braden Looper. Lowe's age and Wolf's health concerns might make them available for 1-2 year deals. Sheets, even with his health concerns, will probably still sign a 3 year deal at least. Looper is an interesting wild card as well.

Unless we trade Konerko for SP, I don't see us trading any offensive player for SP help (maybe Dye when his no-trade clause goes away after the '08 season. Quentin should be ready to move to RF by then). Those 2 will probably be our only trading chips for SP. That or we clean out the rest of our minor leagues (some of our rookie ball players that did well, Egbert, Broadway, etc).

Either way, I expect to see some big changes in our rotation in '09.

Flight #24
01-14-2008, 11:21 AM
IMO this highlights the importance of the farm. You rarely if ever see guys hit the market in their primes anymore. The best bets are aging vets who you hope can maintain enough in their first 1-2 years of a deal to make the 3d passable, or guys who are younger, but flawed in their own rights. And of this list, the younger/better ones like Teixeira are almost certainly going to get resigned. I'd be surprised if the same didn't happen with Garland & others like him. My money's still on Santana getting dealt and resigned without seeing the market as well.

Danks & Floyd & Swisher & Fields need to be core-type players if the Sox are going to be any good beyond 2008.

SoxNation05
01-14-2008, 04:56 PM
I think this year we did a lot to reload and tool our offense. I think next year will be the year we reload and rebuild our rotation.

Buehrle and Vaz will be sure things. After '08, we will know what we have in Danks and Floyd (and whether or not we have to dump one of them.) Lets assume Danks works out and Floyd doesn't. That's our 3rd starter. Contreras will be in his contract year, and we know how we love moving pitchers in their contract year. We'll save 7-10 mil (depending on if we have to throw in cash to sweeten the return).

This will leave 2 rotation spots for trades/FA signings/Egbert, Broadway, or Haeger (if they're still around and do well in AAA in '08). The only free agents I saw that would be interesting (and don't have options) are Derek Lowe, Ben Sheets, Randy Wolf, and Braden Looper. Lowe's age and Wolf's health concerns might make them available for 1-2 year deals. Sheets, even with his health concerns, will probably still sign a 3 year deal at least. Looper is an interesting wild card as well.

Unless we trade Konerko for SP, I don't see us trading any offensive player for SP help (maybe Dye when his no-trade clause goes away after the '08 season. Quentin should be ready to move to RF by then). Those 2 will probably be our only trading chips for SP. That or we clean out the rest of our minor leagues (some of our rookie ball players that did well, Egbert, Broadway, etc).

Either way, I expect to see some big changes in our rotation in '09.
I think you have it backwards. This off season we have traded for Quinten, Cabrera, and Swisher. Plus we have Richar in his first full year starting and Alexei Rameriez could be starting somewhere at somepoint. Looking and Contreras and Floyd there is a chance we have two new starters next year.

soxinem1
01-14-2008, 08:47 PM
We better prepare now.

Mark Buerhle is a FA in 2012 and Josh Fields in 2013.

By then maybe Basball Commissioner Ford Frick IX will ban the 'Steriod Era' players.