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Fenway
12-18-2007, 09:08 AM
Clemens is looking worse with each passing day. The Daily News leads with him today on the front page. Clemens has never handled media pressure well and he seems to be acting as though this is going to blow over. No Roger..not this time.

Even though it will be at least 5 years before a Hall of Fame vote comes up it looks pretty certain that at least 25% of the writers will not vote for him and that will keep him out. It is very possible that both Roger and Bonds will be on the ballot together.

Roger's pitch: Go away, y'all (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/18/2007-12-18_roger_clemens_refuses_to_talk_about_mitc.html)

A defiant Roger Clemens broke his silence Monday about making the Mitchell Report's steroid user hall of shame, and his answer was like his fastball - high and hard. "I'm not talking to y'all about it."

FRONT PAGE (http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/18/gal_front_12_18.jpg)

Sockinchisox
12-18-2007, 09:24 AM
So he got advice from Britney on how to deal with the media.

Fenway
12-18-2007, 09:33 AM
So he got advice from Britney on how to deal with the media.

I think Britney has a higher IQ than Roger ( no teal )

Roger did an interview in 1988 with Mike Dowling on WCVB. He complained that fans had no idea how hard being a baseball player is adding that sometimes "we have to carry our own bags".

He really can be thickheaded.

DumpJerry
12-18-2007, 10:40 AM
He also has a lousy cell phone carrier. It drops his calls when he calls his wife to aks if he should spare the Free World of his presence in baseball and she tries to tell him to stay at home.

chisox77
12-18-2007, 11:00 AM
I like Roger Clemens. I appreciated his very brief World Series appearance against the White Sox, where they rocked him early and sent him packing. These are very fond memories that I will forever cherish about Clemens.


:cool:

SoxGirl4Life
12-18-2007, 12:55 PM
I like Roger Clemens. I appreciated his very brief World Series appearance against the White Sox, where they rocked him early and sent him packing. These are very fond memories that I will forever cherish about Clemens.


:cool:

Even this last year, the Sox hit him pretty well. A friend of mine asked me to look up his ERA lifetime vs the Sox and it was pretty high up there. :dunno:

thomas35forever
12-18-2007, 01:00 PM
The true Texas Clemens finally comes out after all these years.

sox1970
12-18-2007, 01:02 PM
Even this last year, the Sox hit him pretty well. A friend of mine asked me to look up his ERA lifetime vs the Sox and it was pretty high up there. :dunno:

3.15 in 40 regular season starts. 20-11 vs the Sox

Fenway
12-18-2007, 01:30 PM
Another Hall of Fame voter piles on

A true fraud? Roger that (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1051428)
By Gerry Callahan
One of the ESPN guys calls trainer-turned-informant Brian McNamee a sewer rat, which is ironic...

angiew
12-18-2007, 02:45 PM
Another Hall of Fame voter piles on

A true fraud? Roger that (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1051428)
By Gerry Callahan
One of the ESPN guys calls trainer-turned-informant Brian McNamee a sewer rat, which is ironic...

Ouch!:o:

Fenway
12-18-2007, 03:12 PM
Roger finally speaks

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3160063

"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life''

angiew
12-18-2007, 03:22 PM
I honestly don't even know how to react to that statement.....

Irishsox1
12-18-2007, 03:25 PM
Keep digging that hole Roger.

If baseball really wanted to send a message, they should go get his last 4 Cy Youngs, he got them all while using. He's got them mounted above his fireplace, you can't miss them.

Fenway
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
I honestly don't even know how to react to that statement.....

In poker it is called "ALL IN"

He has left no wiggle room to crawl out if something else comes up.

Only a stupid person would make that statement if it wasn't true......

but we are talking about Roger here.

mrfourni
12-18-2007, 03:29 PM
Roger finally speaks

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3160063

"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life''

Where have I heard that before? Oh wait, that's right...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2006-06/18760993.jpg

sox1970
12-18-2007, 03:37 PM
This whole thing is a big mess. In hindsight, I think the Mitchell Report should have excluded the names.

Too much hearsay and innuendo. The ones admitting it now are continuing to lie. As a fan, it's going to suck going to games next year because idiots are just going to screaming about steroids the whole time instead of enjoying a baseball game.

I'm not apologizing for the players, but enough is enough. The finger needs to be pointed at MLB as a whole: Bud, the organizations, the players, the media...everyone.

The sad truth is that a MAJORITY of players have juiced to some extent in the last 10 years. To what extent, we'll never know. Just call it what it is--The Steroid/HGH Era. Close the door on the past, test more thoroughly, have a zero tolerance policy, and move on.

Fenway
12-18-2007, 03:41 PM
Where have I heard that before? Oh wait, that's right...

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2006-06/18760993.jpg

Please oh please have one member of Congress issue a subpoena to Clemens.
:praying:

russ99
12-18-2007, 03:47 PM
Please oh please have one member of Congress issue a subpoena to Clemens.
:praying:

That would be interesting, but moreso call back Sosa and give him an interpreter... :D:

Fenway
12-18-2007, 03:55 PM
That would be interesting, but moreso call back Sosa and give him an interpreter... :D:

Come on why would the trainer tell the truth about Pettitte and lie about Roger especially when he was told he he was caught lying to Mitchell he would face jail.

russ99
12-18-2007, 04:10 PM
Come on why would the trainer tell the truth about Pettitte and lie about Roger especially when he was told he he was caught lying to Mitchell he would face jail.

No kidding. These guys should just keep quiet and take their punishment. They're only hurting themselves with such ridiculous claims.

Fortunately, Clemens has probably the largest ego in the Western Hemisphere, so you know he's gonna put his foot in his mouth. :D:

rocky biddle
12-18-2007, 08:21 PM
Is this your shirt (http://deadspin.com/sports/mitchell-report/this-t+shirt-will-inject-you-with-something-335254.php) Fenway?

Frontman
12-18-2007, 10:35 PM
I gotta be honest, I don't believe Roger for a second.

(you do all sense the "BUT" I'm about to say.)

BUT, I don't see the need to follow him everywhere, to stake out his kid's school to try and get a soundbyte, etc.

Roger was going to be defiant in his attitude towards his name in the Mitchell report.

I just find it hilarious that Pettite didn't get roasted in the media, and now most of the morons on that list are using the same BS excuse.

Fenway
12-18-2007, 11:42 PM
I gotta be honest, I don't believe Roger for a second.



Gene Wojciechowski from ESPN has had enough of Roger

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3160231&sportCat=mlb


"I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment."

Rush? Of course not. You take your time and let us know when it's good for you. We'll just sit here, maybe do a Sudoku, and wonder why the supposed greatest pitcher of our generation is taking so long to step in front of a microphone, look America in the eye, and answer every question anyone has about the allegations made by your former trainer, Brian McNamee.

Fenway
12-19-2007, 05:55 AM
More Roger love from the media
Roger should talk to Congress (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/18/2007-12-18_if_roger_clemens_wants_to_tell_his_story.html)

Let Roger Clemens tell his version of things and let him tell it under penalty of perjury, writes Mike Lupica.


Dan Shaughnessy
Clemens's defense is weak (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2007/12/19/is_he_just_in_a_state_of_denial)

The walls were closing in. Roger Clemens had to do something. Going all McGwire on us wasn't going to get him out of this one.

Fenway
12-19-2007, 11:20 AM
This is amazing no writer is giving Roger any slack

from Toronto

Wasn't he at the front of the line of major leaguers aching to represent his country at the Olympics, back in '04 and when that didn't happen didn't he jump at the opportunity to head the U.S. team at the World Baseball Classic? Damn straight.
Upon further review, the Olympic thing might have been a bad idea. If you think Ben Johnson was big news, imagine the Rocket on Team USA in Athens. His post-game urine sample might have set off more explosions than Ted (the Unabomber) Kaczynski on a three-week bender.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/286923

FarWestChicago
12-19-2007, 07:48 PM
Upon further review, the Olympic thing might have been a bad idea. If you think Ben Johnson was big news, imagine the Rocket on Team USA in Athens. His post-game urine sample might have set off more explosions than Ted (the Unabomber) Kaczynski on a three-week bender.That is good writing. :thumbsup:

Fenway
12-20-2007, 06:23 AM
Mr Schilling of course has to say something

Schilling: If guilty, Rocket should pay (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/20/2007-12-20_curt_schilling_if_roger_clemens_cheated_.html)

If Roger Clemens cannot refute steroid and HGH allegations, then he should give back his last four Cy Young Awards, Curt Schilling wrote on his blog on Wednesday.

the blog

http://38pitches.com/2007/12/19/one-players-take-on-the-mitchell-report-canseco-clemens-records-looking-back-or-going-forward/#more-144

Frontman
12-20-2007, 07:54 AM
Mr Schilling of course has to say something

Schilling: If guilty, Rocket should pay (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/12/20/2007-12-20_curt_schilling_if_roger_clemens_cheated_.html)

If Roger Clemens cannot refute steroid and HGH allegations, then he should give back his last four Cy Young Awards, Curt Schilling wrote on his blog on Wednesday.

the blog

http://38pitches.com/2007/12/19/one-players-take-on-the-mitchell-report-canseco-clemens-records-looking-back-or-going-forward/#more-144

I'm of the philosophy that if they can't refute past allegations, you need to set up rules moving forward. It's bad enough that Bonds broke Aaron's record; but we can't go back and "take it away." To do so would forever tarnish the game more than him having the record does. Because then a case could be made to take away awards for players who used meth-anphetamines; players who got away with using too much pine tar:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/Pine_Tar_Game1.jpg
"Front, I'm gonna rip your head off for even bringing that up you [Censored][Censored][Censored][Censored][Censored]!!!!!!"

Rocket's records (as well as other events, such as Giambi's MVP) should remain intact. True baseball fans know the truth, and in the end, the truth is what matters. For example, at this point I don't think Frank Thomas wants a retro-active MVP; as it becomes a footnote in history versus a historic moment in his career.

rocky biddle
12-20-2007, 11:17 AM
Dan Wetzel (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AqMA7jnNkJpxRXc33AXxpPQ5nYcB?slug=dw-clemensquiet121807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)at Yahoo sports had a pretty good take.

The way some of these guys are defending Clemens by demeaning the trainers (see Gammons, Peter) is pathetic. I've often wondered how Barry Bonds would be viewed if he played for the Red Sox and was friendly with the media. I guess now I know.

kevin57
12-20-2007, 12:09 PM
It isn't pleasant for me either to watch this being based on innuendo, but since baseball players have been so willing to cooperate with Mitchell, MLB, Congress, ... to get to the bottom of this rat hole... :angry:

Speaking of which, is Congress going to open hearings with subpoena powers? My guess is not UNLESS they see Selig and Fehr doing their little two-step and getting nowhere.

FarWestChicago
12-21-2007, 08:40 PM
I'm of the philosophy that if they can't refute past allegations, you need to set up rules moving forward. It's bad enough that Bonds broke Aaron's record; but we can't go back and "take it away." To do so would forever tarnish the game more than him having the record does. Because then a case could be made to take away awards for players who used meth-anphetamines; players who got away with using too much pine tar:


Rocket's records (as well as other events, such as Giambi's MVP) should remain intact. True baseball fans know the truth, and in the end, the truth is what matters. For example, at this point I don't think Frank Thomas wants a retro-active MVP; as it becomes a footnote in history versus a historic moment in his career.Settle down you friggin' criminal loving Commie. We know you love Bonds and Clemens. Party on with their "records" all you want. I just hope the *******s holding the keys to the Hall of Fame McGwire their cheating asses; no matter how much you love them.

BTW, the sport with the most accurate and controlled records of any have been taking them away from ****ing cheaters for years:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39344000/jpg/_39344924_running_238.jpg

You wouldn't know who the guy on the left is. In your world he was a gold medalist and world record holder for years. :rolling:

voodoochile
12-21-2007, 10:29 PM
Curious wording in Roger's denial...

I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life

I'm pretty sure the highlighted portion is the operative phrase in this sentence. In other words, Roger wouldn't be technically lying if he took steroids or HGH BEFORE they were banned by MLB.

He could probably even say it in front of Congress and not be subject to perjury charges.

Nellie_Fox
12-21-2007, 11:46 PM
...players who used meth-anphetaminesPlayers used amphetamines, but I doubt that any who used methamphetamine remained in the game for very long. Meth is highly addictive and physically destructive.

"Hey, dude, stop sucking on that meth pipe; you're up! And do something about your teeth falling out, will ya?"