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DumpJerry
12-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Per Chris Rongey on The Score.

Discuss. Fully. Blame Kenny.

The Immigrant
12-12-2007, 08:04 PM
Angel Gonzales appreciation thread: I appreciate the fact he is gone.

Sockinchisox
12-12-2007, 08:04 PM
How dare he not try to re-sign the great Andy Gonzalez.

PorkChopExpress
12-12-2007, 08:04 PM
I don't get this. Why were they on the 40 man roster then during the Rule 5 draft. Couldn't we have used that space to protect other guys?

That being said, I'm not sorry to see Gonzalez go, and I'm neither here nor there on Phillips.

DumpJerry
12-12-2007, 08:06 PM
Angel Gonzales appreciation thread: I appreciate the fact he is gone.
So do the people sitting behind the First Base dugout. They can relax now when there it a ground ball to him.

dickallen15
12-12-2007, 08:06 PM
I didn't even know Andy had to be tendered. Man. DJ had me convinced Andy would be a star someday even though he couldn't hit or field.

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 08:08 PM
YES!

Kenny's best move of the offseason. :cool:

Lip Man 1
12-12-2007, 08:08 PM
At least some good news today.

Lip

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 08:10 PM
Addition by subtraction.

JB98
12-12-2007, 08:12 PM
Yeah!

The best moves we've had this offseason have been the "addition-by-subtraction" type.

SoxSpeed22
12-12-2007, 08:13 PM
No one's going to miss them.

KyWhiSoxFan
12-12-2007, 08:13 PM
Thank goodness we've seen the last of Gonzalez. He was brutal.

Domeshot17
12-12-2007, 08:15 PM
finally a step in the right direction!

doctor30th
12-12-2007, 08:15 PM
Maybe non tendering to make room on the Roster for a move?

Frontman
12-12-2007, 08:18 PM
So do the people sitting behind the First Base dugout. They can relax now when there it a ground ball to him.
:rolling::thumbsup:

Oh man, I needed that laugh.

Sockinchisox
12-12-2007, 08:22 PM
Maybe non tendering to make room on the Roster for a move?

Phillips was DFA when we got Quentin, maybe about Andy though.

DumpJerry
12-12-2007, 08:24 PM
:rolling::thumbsup:

Oh man, I needed that laugh.
Glad to oblige. I just pictured a ground ball being hit to Gonzalez and everyone sitting in the first 15 rows behind the dugout diving for cover in a sheer panic like the beach scene in "Jaws."

HawkDJ
12-12-2007, 08:27 PM
It is quite possible Andy Gonzalez was the worst player in all of baseball last year.

santo=dorf
12-12-2007, 08:37 PM
At least some good news today.

Lip
My thoughts exactly. Another one bites the dust.

sig update

Frontman
12-12-2007, 08:37 PM
It is quite possible Andy Gonzalez was the worst player in all of baseball last year.

Did you pay any attention to the rag arm tosses Owens threw (when he actually decided to throw instead of holding up) last year?

That stuff real bad.

santo=dorf
12-12-2007, 08:39 PM
It is quite possible Andy Gonzalez was the worst player in all of baseball last year.
Toby Hall had an OPS+ of 21, and I think he was better offensively than defensively. :o:

RowanDye
12-12-2007, 08:44 PM
I don't get this. Why were they on the 40 man roster then during the Rule 5 draft. Couldn't we have used that space to protect other guys?

That being said, I'm not sorry to see Gonzalez go, and I'm neither here nor there on Phillips.

Yea, that is weird. Is this a sign of another move to come, or did KW just forget to show Andy the door?

infohawk
12-12-2007, 08:50 PM
Hopefully Kenny didn't commit another Berry-Barry mistake:

:KW

"Got rid of some dead-weight and cleared a spot on the forty-man roster by non-tendering Gonzalez."

:ozzie

"Ugh, Kenny, I no like to question your moves, but why you non-tender Gio?"

:KW

"Aw, Dammit!"

champagne030
12-12-2007, 09:26 PM
I don't get this. Why were they on the 40 man roster then during the Rule 5 draft. Couldn't we have used that space to protect other guys?

That being said, I'm not sorry to see Gonzalez go, and I'm neither here nor there on Phillips.

Seriously, why the **** was Andy ****ing Gonzalez on the 40 man and Fernando Hernandez left unprotected for the Rule 5 draft?

PaleHoser
12-12-2007, 09:32 PM
I wonder if Gonzalez will publish the comprimising pictures of an unnamed member of Sox management no that he's been released. That's the only possible explanation for the fact he was:

a) on the roster to begin with, and
b) actually allowed to participate in a game.

Regarding Heath Phillips, all he's done is win in the minors. I don't think the Sox gave him much of a chance.

areilly
12-12-2007, 09:35 PM
I didn't even know Andy had to be tendered. Man. DJ had me convinced Andy would be a star someday even though he couldn't hit or field.

I can't stop laughing at this.

:DJ
"Some guys, like your Andy Gonzalezes, aren't really the best hitters, or the best fielders, or the fastest guys or the guys with the most accurate arm or the best judgment on the basepaths, and maybe they might not be all that good, but sometimes those guys can be, really, the best players in the game of baseball."

delben91
12-12-2007, 09:38 PM
My thoughts exactly. Another one bites the dust.

sig update

If I were a betting man, I'd venture you're going to get stuck with Floyd and Hall still in that signature of yours.

Catch you later Andy, I'll always remember the great game you had where you...uh..well, catch you later.

PalehosePlanet
12-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Is there any reason in particular Andy Gonzalez wasn't released at the end of the season? Did we have to keep him this long because of some 40 man roster rule that I don't know about?

IceczMan
12-12-2007, 09:45 PM
I cant type this without laughing, but perhaps the Andy Gonzalez move was made in response to Kenny receiving the Mitchell report yesterday...

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 09:48 PM
I cant type this without laughing, but perhaps the Andy Gonzalez move was made in response to Kenny receiving the Mitchell report yesterday...
They probably have it in order from best players to worst and Gonzalez's name came up last in 2 point font

Viva Medias B's
12-12-2007, 10:32 PM
OOOOOOOHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! THAT'S IT!!!! FIRE KW NOW!!!!!!

HawkDJ
12-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Toby Hall had an OPS+ of 21, and I think he was better offensively than defensively. :o:


Touche, but he did only play in 38 games. Gonzalez had nearly 200 at bats and hit .185 with a .521 OPS and 61 strikeouts (and 9 errors!). That's really bad. Anyway, it's not a good sign if we're arguing the worst player in baseball between two White Sox players.

btrain929
12-12-2007, 10:38 PM
Seriously, why the **** was Andy ****ing Gonzalez on the 40 man and Fernando Hernandez left unprotected for the Rule 5 draft?

My thoughts exactly. Good move, but about 2 weeks too late. That guy had success on every level, and there was no reason to leave him unprotected. If he does well in Oakland, that is 150% on KW. Lets hope for some reason they have to send him back to us.

DSpivack
12-12-2007, 11:14 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/7b/200px-AndyTheClown.jpg

RIP.

MeteorsSox4367
12-12-2007, 11:17 PM
Damn. Now I have to cancel my Andy Gonzalez jersey order at Grandstand. Thanks for messing up my Christmas, Kenny. I hope you're happy.

goon
12-12-2007, 11:20 PM
So do the people sitting behind the First Base dugout. They can relax now when there it a ground ball to him.

I see that inning in my nightmares.

salty99
12-12-2007, 11:25 PM
The night would have been complete if Andy Sisco and David Aardsma were also on that list.

PalehosePlanet
12-12-2007, 11:26 PM
I see that inning in my nightmares.

Yeah no kidding. Good thing there were only about 1,500 people in the stands that night in Texas otherwise someone would have gotten hurt.

Frontman
12-12-2007, 11:57 PM
The night would have been complete if Andy Sisco and David Aardsma were also on that list.

Where's Santo=Dorf and his sig line when you need him?

schmitty9800
12-13-2007, 04:27 PM
I don't understand why Philips didn't get tendered. The guy had a solid season in AAA and only got 7.1 major league innings. For an organization that supposedly develops pitchers who don't have to throw hard, it's a bit of a head scratcher.

spiffie
12-13-2007, 04:44 PM
I would like to have someone explain from inside the organization their reluctance to give Phillips an extended look. I'm not *****ing or complaining about the move, I'm just genuinely curious what they saw in him that was so underwhelming. The guy was the IL MVP (Most Valuable Pitcher) in 2006, and put up a 26-12 record the last 2 years in Charlotte. And yet they seemed to have no interest at all in bringing him up for more than the cup of coffee he got last year. Just seems kind of odd.

WizardsofOzzie
12-13-2007, 04:44 PM
So do the people sitting behind the First Base dugout. They can relax now when there it a ground ball to him.
*golf clap*

soxfanreggie
12-13-2007, 11:55 PM
I add to the wondering of why we couldn't do this before the Rule 5 draft?

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-14-2007, 12:16 AM
I would like to have someone explain from inside the organization their reluctance to give Phillips an extended look. I'm not *****ing or complaining about the move, I'm just genuinely curious what they saw in him that was so underwhelming. The guy was the IL MVP (Most Valuable Pitcher) in 2006, and put up a 26-12 record the last 2 years in Charlotte. And yet they seemed to have no interest at all in bringing him up for more than the cup of coffee he got last year. Just seems kind of odd.

Can they sign him to a minor league deal?

Mohoney
12-14-2007, 06:34 AM
I add to the wondering of why we couldn't do this before the Rule 5 draft?

Agreed. Hell, they could have done it in August and probably won 2 or 3 more games playing somebody who actually might have a future.

schmitty9800
12-14-2007, 10:48 PM
Can they sign him to a minor league deal?

That is a factor, he's a free agent now but they can definitely have him back.

CWSpalehoseCWS
12-14-2007, 11:26 PM
That is a factor, he's a free agent now but they can definitely have him back.

Then I would almost expect that to happen.

ksimpson14
12-15-2007, 05:35 AM
Agreed. Hell, they could have done it in August and probably won 2 or 3 more games playing somebody who actually might have a future.

And I thought it was funny when Kenny got an "A+" from Reinsdorf for last offseason, no way to spin this one

cws05champ
12-15-2007, 09:15 AM
My thoughts exactly. Good move, but about 2 weeks too late. That guy had success on every level, and there was no reason to leave him unprotected. If he does well in Oakland, that is 150% on KW. Lets hope for some reason they have to send him back to us.

I'm not going to soxfest but I hope someone asks this question why A gonzales was on the roster while Hernandez was left unprotected. Also why Phillips was non tendered...

btrain929
12-15-2007, 09:18 AM
I'm not going to soxfest but I hope someone asks this question why A gonzales was on the roster while Hernandez was left unprotected. Also why Phillips was non tendered...

I'll more than likely ask him about AGon/Hernandez, and also ask him why he pursued Hunter for 5/75, then refused to even consider AJones when he wasn't going to require a long term commitment like Hunter, and puts up very similar numbers (OBP and avg wise), if not better, than Hunter.

DumpJerry
12-15-2007, 10:13 AM
Can they sign him to a minor league deal?
I'm not sure, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a team cannot do a new contract with a player they non-tender until May 1st. I might be thinking of DFA'd players, however.

jabrch
12-15-2007, 11:25 AM
The night would have been complete if Andy Sisco and David Aardsma were also on that list.

That's just ridiculous

schmitty9800
12-15-2007, 02:10 PM
I'll more than likely ask him about AGon/Hernandez, and also ask him why he pursued Hunter for 5/75, then refused to even consider AJones when he wasn't going to require a long term commitment like Hunter, and puts up very similar numbers (OBP and avg wise), if not better, than Hunter.
Jones and Hunter might have looked similar in numbers, but Jones has been hitting against NL pitching and has a bigger injury history.

btrain929
12-15-2007, 03:16 PM
Jones and Hunter might have looked similar in numbers, but Jones has been hitting against NL pitching and has a bigger injury history.

If he has a bigger injury history, then giving him a 2 year deal makes sense. He wasn't going to get 5-6 years. But that point is mute since he's played in 153 games or more for 11 straight seasons. So...........:?:

NL Pitching might have a slight affect on him. But I think that has more of an affect on a guy like Rowand who goes to the NL and bats .300 or Byrnes going from Oakland to Arizona and taking off. Andruw Jones is one of the guys who you can pencil his stats in for every year. Last year I think he just pressed too much to do well and get that mega contract, and the deeper he dug the whole, the harder it was to get out. Not to mention besides Chipper (who's always injured) and a few months of Teixeira, he hasn't had much protection. At least not the type of protection he'd get in Chicago.