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Sockinchisox
12-12-2007, 02:43 PM
Just reported on MLB Radio, 5 yr deal.

********.

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 02:44 PM
:rolling:

IceczMan
12-12-2007, 02:44 PM
Let the Jerry Owens Era Begin...

balke
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/12/SP4ETSURO.DTL

Domeshot17
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
z71...z71


BINGO

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
LOL... shhhhhhh....

PalehosePlanet
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Just reported on MLB Radio, 5 yr deal.

********.

How much did they give him??

munchman33
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Oh dear lord.

Sorry Kenny, there aren't enough letters in the alphabet for me to believe any plan you have left will make us competitive in the least bit.

skottyj242
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
****.

balke
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
I don't have an opinion until I hear the details. 5 years is a lot if he's getting 14+ mil each.

spiffie
12-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Well I know some people on this board who will be elated that we'll have Owens or Anderson in CF over Rowand.

KRS1
12-12-2007, 02:46 PM
Linky.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/12/SP4ETSURO.DTL


I don't know what's to be so pissed about. I realize he is a hometown favorite, and basically has become a legend with some. However, does anyone who saw him play for us all those years ago think he is truly a 10MM+ a year player? Because I don't.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 02:46 PM
Linky.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/12/SP4ETSURO.DTL


I don't know what's to be so pissed about. I realize he is a hometown favorite, and basically has become a legend with some. However, does anyone who saw him play for us all those years ago think he is truly a 10MM+ a year player, because I don't.

I don't. Like I said earlier, I was more upset about losing on Fukudome.

salty99
12-12-2007, 02:47 PM
Corey Patterson anyone?

Jerko
12-12-2007, 02:47 PM
Who's left now besides http://www.abil-tt.com/images/charles_misc_chocs_group_ccrisp.jpg?

CHIsoxNation
12-12-2007, 02:47 PM
He also has a reputation as a tough, gritty outfielder, perhaps best-remembered for a catch with the White Sox in which he crashed face-first into the fence in Chicago and broke his nose, all the while holding onto the baseball.

Wasn't that in Philly? Dumbass

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 02:47 PM
I'm no huge Rowand fan, but seriously Kenny. Now I'm pissed. :angry::angry:

salty99
12-12-2007, 02:49 PM
well everyone making that bay area trip to see the Sox can also see A-row

HawkDJ
12-12-2007, 02:50 PM
This could be a tough year.

Sockinchisox
12-12-2007, 02:50 PM
This is really unfreakingbelieveable, It's honestly time to blow it up.

twsoxfan5
12-12-2007, 02:50 PM
He probably got a huge deal that he did not deserve, but that is what free agents get nowadays and if the Sox are seeming more and more to be reluctant to change with the times.

RedHeadPaleHoser
12-12-2007, 02:51 PM
Well....well....****.

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 02:51 PM
This is really unfreakingbelieveable, It's honestly time to blow it up.

Yeah, much more whining and crying and we'll probably have to blow up the server and start from scratch. WSI isn't built to handle this much steaming manure...

twentywontowin
12-12-2007, 02:51 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. We're going to be a $100 million fifth place team.

KRS1
12-12-2007, 02:51 PM
This is really unfreakingbelieveable, It's honestly time to blow it up.


:rolleyes:

Sockinchisox
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Yeah, much more whining and crying and we'll probably have to blow up the server and start from scratch. WSI isn't built to handle this much steaming manure...

Blow up the team, and the board. Sounds like a good plan.

salty99
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. We're going to be a $100 million fifth place team.


didn't we already pretty much accomplish this?

RockyMtnSoxFan
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
I don't know what's to be so pissed about. I realize he is a hometown favorite, and basically has become a legend with some. However, does anyone who saw him play for us all those years ago think he is truly a 10MM+ a year player? Because I don't.

I think he's worth $10 MM, but not much more. If you look at today's market, that's the value of a average to slightly above average CF. Torii is getting what, $18 MM? He's not that much better than Rowand. Look at Pierre, Jones, Matthews, etc.

Rocky Soprano
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Yeah, much more whining and crying and we'll probably have to blow up the server and start from scratch. WSI isn't built to handle this much steaming manure...


Can't we just start doing mass bannings? :D:

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. We're going to be a $100 million fifth place team.

I'll take that bet...

JermaineDye05
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
This is really unfreakingbelieveable, It's honestly time to blow it up.

As much as I'm disappointed about losing Rowand, I don't think we can do that just yet. Wait to see what happens until spring training. If this team is having yet another piss poor season close to the all star break, then blow away.

ksimpson14
12-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Linky.
I don't know what's to be so pissed about. I realize he is a hometown favorite, and basically has become a legend with some. However, does anyone who saw him play for us all those years ago think he is truly a 10MM+ a year player? Because I don't.


Because we follow people after they leave the White Sox, and he had a great year last year, in addition to what we already knew he was good at?

Not to mention that this was the supposed reason we hardly tried to bid for Fukudome. Oh, and maybe because our other options are banking on AAAA players

Fantosme
12-12-2007, 02:53 PM
KW better have a trade for Hamilton in the works

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 02:54 PM
You all are dark clouds and pants pissers! We're fine! We have Scott Linebrink in the bullpen! He's a ****ing stud! Orlando Cabrera is the second coming! CARLOS QUENTIN MOTHER****ER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KENNY IS A GENIUS! 2005,MAN. REMEMBER 2005! This is how we felt in the 04-05 offseason. Just like '05 man!

chisox77
12-12-2007, 02:54 PM
Good for Aaron. Now the Giants will have to put extra padding on their CF wall.

spiffie
12-12-2007, 02:54 PM
Yeah, much more whining and crying and we'll probably have to blow up the server and start from scratch. WSI isn't built to handle this much steaming manure...
Oh the sheer volume of joy from CLR alone should counterbalance all other negative energy.

HawkDJ
12-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Linky.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/12/SP4ETSURO.DTL


I don't know what's to be so pissed about. I realize he is a hometown favorite, and basically has become a legend with some. However, does anyone who saw him play for us all those years ago think he is truly a 10MM+ a year player? Because I don't.


It's all about relative value. Right now our CF is Jerry Owens.

balke
12-12-2007, 02:55 PM
Yeah, much more whining and crying and we'll probably have to blow up the server and start from scratch. WSI isn't built to handle this much steaming manure...

What were the Mods thinking letting this get posted? They should've sold more ads on the site so they could afford servers that could handle this thread. Dumb move IMO. This site is going to crash in the next hour, and I solely blame voodoochile and FWC. CHEAP CHEAP!!!! :angry:

Chez
12-12-2007, 02:55 PM
To quote the Bill Murray character from Meatballs, "It just doesn't matter; it just doesn't matter. (repeat)"

munchman33
12-12-2007, 02:57 PM
I'll take that bet...

Why, because we'll be 20 games back in July and will sell off half the team?

You're so clever Voodoo. :wink:

doctor30th
12-12-2007, 02:57 PM
Wow. I don't fault the sox for this. This is a terrible signing for the Giants. 5 years, probably 12 mil a year, no way. Rowand is a good player, not a superstar. Maybe he wanted to sign a deal before the mitchell report came out....

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 02:57 PM
It's all about relative value. Right now our CF is Jerry Owens.
As of opening day I can see Owens in Center and Sweeney in left until Queintin is ready from his injury.....pretty scary

munchman33
12-12-2007, 02:57 PM
It's all about relative value. Right now our CF is Jerry Owens.

Relatively speaking, our roster blows chunks.

CHIsoxNation
12-12-2007, 02:58 PM
Wow. I don't fault the sox for this. This is a terrible signing for the Giants. 5 years, probably 12 mil a year, no way. Rowand is a good player, not a superstar. Maybe he wanted to sign a deal before the mitchell report came out....

The Giants already have the report, they know if he is on it or not.

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 02:58 PM
You all are dark clouds and pants pissers! We're fine! We have Scott Linebrink in the bullpen! He's a ****ing stud! Orlando Cabrera is the second coming! CARLOS QUENTIN MOTHER****ER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KENNY IS A GENIUS! 2005,MAN. REMEMBER 2005! This is how we felt in the 04-05 offseason. Just like '05 man!

If Aaron Rowand is the answer for $50M or whatever, I'm not sure I want to know what the question is.

Domeshot17
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Fukudome got what, 34 pages of ranting..

I'll set the over under on Rowand at 3:1 on atleast 51 pages...2 roadhouses...and 6 bannings. Who wants some

salty99
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Bring Back Erstad And Pods!

champagne030
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Corey Patterson anyone?

We already have a sack of **** and it's cheaper.

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Why, because we'll be 20 games back in July and will sell off half the team?

You're so clever Voodoo. :wink:

Either way I think we can beat out the Royals and if the Twinkies deal off Santana, I think we'll finish no lower than 3rd.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
If Aaron Rowand is the answer for $50M or whatever, I'm not sure I want to know what the question is.

I'll bite:

Now that we know we can't improve, how can we appease our fans?

KRS1
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Because we follow people after they leave the White Sox, and he had a great year last year, in addition to what we already knew he was good at?

Not to mention that this was the supposed reason we hardly tried to bid for Fukudome. Oh, and maybe because our other options are banking on AAAA players

Says who? The mediots?

Fantastic you followed him after he left the Sox. He got to hit in the NL for two years and boost his stats. I watched him play four seasons in our uniform, and can safely say he isn't someone to lose sleep over losing out on, and definitely not a player who is worth the big payday he just got(okay, we don't know the numbers yet, but I'll say he isn't a $10MM+ a year player). He is a very nice complementary piece to a winner, and a good ball-player, I just find it ridiculous that people are standing out on ledges and cursing the name of Kenny Williams because we didn't pick up a player of his caliber. Completely and utterly ridiculous.

AZChiSoxFan
12-12-2007, 02:59 PM
I'll take that bet...

Why? So you'll feel vindicated when the Sox finish 68-94, in 4th place, one game ahead of the Royals?

spiffie
12-12-2007, 03:00 PM
If Aaron Rowand is the answer for $50M or whatever, I'm not sure I want to know what the question is.
If Rowand costs $50M then I think the question is "what FA OF with a higher career OPS than Torii Hunter could you sign for about half of Torii Hunter's contract?"

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 03:00 PM
Bring Back Erstad And Pods!

:KW
"Can I interest you in mid-season trades for Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett?"

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:00 PM
Either way I think we can beat out the Royals and if the Twinkies deal off Santana, I think we'll finish no lower than 3rd.

I'm pretty sure the Twins will be getting Elsbury and Lester if they're really gonna trade Santana.

We're really a toss up at this point with the Royals. And our arrows are pointing in different directions. They nearly passed us last year.

Demafrost
12-12-2007, 03:01 PM
I think there will be a lot of people putting in their 2005 World Series DVDs in the next couple of hours.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:01 PM
:KW
"Can I interest you in mid-season trades for Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett?"

Yes and Sandy Jr. for Hall

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 03:02 PM
Why? So you'll feel vindicated when the Sox finish 68-94, in 4th place, one game ahead of the Royals?

Hey, money's money. If you win an all in bet with a 3 kicker because the guy across the table as a 2, you don't complain...

Edit: Oh and I'll take the bet that the Sox only win 68 games next year too.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:02 PM
I think there will be a lot of people putting in their 2005 World Series DVDs in the next couple of hours.

I've watched it everyday this offseason.

Gammons Peter
12-12-2007, 03:02 PM
WSCR George O says 5 year deal

AZChiSoxFan
12-12-2007, 03:03 PM
I think there will be a lot of people putting in their 2005 World Series DVDs in the next couple of hours.

I'm going to be watching mine a ton this summer.

WSox73
12-12-2007, 03:04 PM
Yup. Just heard it. 5 yrs.

Myrtle72
12-12-2007, 03:04 PM
I've watched it everyday this offseason.

:o:

If only I had that kind of time on my hands...

As far as Rowand goes, I say just ****ing bring back BA.

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 03:04 PM
Hey, money's money. If you win an all in bet with a 3 kicker because the guy across the table as a 2, you don't complain...

Edit: Oh and I'll take the bet that the Sox only win 68 games next year too.
I second that

spiffie
12-12-2007, 03:05 PM
:o:

If only I had that kind of time on my hands...

As far as Rowand goes, I say just ****ing bring back BA.
Just because we lost on Rowand doesn't mean we need to surrender the entire year. :D:

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:05 PM
:o:

If only I had that kind of time on my hands...

As far as Rowand goes, I say just ****ing bring back BA.

Little bits every day to be honest.

Domeshot17
12-12-2007, 03:05 PM
:o:

If only I had that kind of time on my hands...

As far as Rowand goes, I say just ****ing bring back BA.

that worked REAAAAAALLLLLYYYYY well in 2006. thinking BA>/= Rowand

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:06 PM
Just because we lost on Rowand doesn't mean we need to surrender the entire year. :D:

Don't be ridiculous.

Navarro's Talent
12-12-2007, 03:06 PM
Oh man, we better get DeJesus because I don't want Owens or Patterson leading off for the 2008 White Sox. I'm not the biggest Rowand fan in the world, but I was sort of hoping that KW would sign him since Hunter was out of the picture.

pbehle
12-12-2007, 03:07 PM
SAN FRANCISCO -- The San Francisco Giants (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sfo) have signed outfielder Aaron Rowand (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6742) to a free-agent contract, the Giants announced Wednesday afternoon.
Rowand, who played last year with Philadelphia, where he hit .309 last season. He signed a five-year deal.
Roward began his career with the Chicago White Sox. His 27 homers, 45 doubles and 89 RBIs were career highs last season.

chisox77
12-12-2007, 03:07 PM
Aaron will be the first outfielder ever to run through the CF wall, and catch a fly ball while diving into McCovey's cove. It will be awesome.

So the Giants will need more wall padding, and a life jacket for Aaron.


:cool:

wdelaney72
12-12-2007, 03:07 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Good luck to Aaron. I'm glad we didn't overpay for his services.

white sox bill
12-12-2007, 03:07 PM
Can we all spell Jerry Owens?

HawkDJ
12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
http://bp3.blogger.com/_W6YuhWU3sm8/R1eKrWwdy6I/AAAAAAAAATs/u4ZVi-Dm0rk/s1600-h/12-9SnowmanMascot.jpg

I couldn't resist.

delben91
12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Let the *****ing commence!!

:happybday:gulp::bandance::gulp:

champagne030
12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
uh, oh........:o:

nccwsfan
12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Confirmed on ESPN....5 year deal.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
I've been consistantly one of the biggest BA haters on this board. That said....yes, let's give him a shot. Not outright. Tell Owens, Sweeney, and him that they're all competing to start in CF next year. The losers spend the year in AAA. See if we can light a fire. Maybe somebody shows us something.

It's a much better idea than Corey Patterson, the best guy left out there. :(:

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Just because we lost on Rowand doesn't mean we need to surrender the entire year. :D:


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE have NEVER won a WS without Rowand or Big Frank or Crazy Carl or Pods or Viz or Willie or Blum or Marte or Man soo or Freddy or THE WIDGE

IceczMan
12-12-2007, 03:09 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Good luck to Aaron. I'm glad we didn't overpay for his services.


It's not considered overpaying if thats the market, that being said, Rowand wasnt my plan 1a, more like my plan 1K, but thats about where we're at.

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 03:09 PM
Aaron will be the first outfielder ever to run through the CF wall, and catch a fly ball while diving into McCovey's cove. It will be awesome.

So the Giants will need more wall padding, and a life jacket for Aaron.


:cool:

Well since Bonds won't be there anymore, they'll need to find something for the kayakers to do. Pulling Rowand out of the water and giving him mouth to mouth might attract some female kayakers too.

SoxSpeed22
12-12-2007, 03:09 PM
It goes on and on and on.
Jerry Owens has his chance now, unless he was plan Z11. Anderson is probably plan Z92 in Ozzie and Kenny's eyes.

chisoxjtrain
12-12-2007, 03:09 PM
Just heard it on ESPN 1000

spiffie
12-12-2007, 03:09 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE have NEVER won a WS without Rowand or Big Frank or Crazy Carl or Pods or Viz or Willie or Blum or Marte or Man soo or Freddy or THE WIDGE
The loss of Man Soo may have sent the franchise into a death spiral from which they are unlikely to ever recover.

AZChiSoxFan
12-12-2007, 03:10 PM
Just because we lost on Rowand doesn't mean we need to surrender the entire year. :D:

Correct. However, the fact that we have no real players at LF, CF & 2B, no leadoff hitter and 3 question marks in the starting rotation DOES mean that it's time to surrender.

ode to veeck
12-12-2007, 03:10 PM
Oh dear lord.

Sorry Kenny, there aren't enough letters in the alphabet for me to believe any plan you have left will make us competitive in the least bit.

get a grip

Bulls_Fan
12-12-2007, 03:10 PM
I guess it is now Plan ZZZ

Let's see how some fans spin this as not a big deal for us Sox fan.

white sox bill
12-12-2007, 03:11 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/index.jsp

southsideirish71
12-12-2007, 03:11 PM
5 years for Rowand, LOL.

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? " Joshua - War Games

whitesoxfan
12-12-2007, 03:11 PM
Still waiting to hear this great plan that Kenny has in store for us.

Let's just blow it up now and rebuild because this team isn't going to do **** in 2008.

Fantosme
12-12-2007, 03:11 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=95647

soxfan43
12-12-2007, 03:12 PM
Fess up, who already bought www.firekennywilliams.com?

ode to veeck
12-12-2007, 03:12 PM
Fukudome got what, 34 pages of ranting..

I'll set the over under on Rowand at 3:1 on atleast 51 pages...2 roadhouses...and 6 bannings. Who wants some

there's another two pages in this thread every time I get through just one more ... it's frigging unreadable

ksimpson14
12-12-2007, 03:12 PM
Says who? The mediots?

Fantastic you followed him after he left the Sox. He got to hit in the NL for two years and boost his stats. I watched him play four seasons in our uniform, and can safely say he isn't someone to lose sleep over losing out on, and definitely not a player who is worth the big payday he just got(okay, we don't know the numbers yet, but I'll say he isn't a $10MM+ a year player). He is a very nice complementary piece to a winner, and a good ball-player, I just find it ridiculous that people are standing out on ledges and cursing the name of Kenny Williams because we didn't pick up a player of his caliber. Completely and utterly ridiculous.

I don't see how hitting in the NL gives a great boost in stats. It didn't happen the year before. If you were making the case for a NL starting pitcher, I'd be all ears. Plus both places were hitters parks.

Again, it is more than just the "caliber of Aaron Rowand", it's the caliber of what he have now and continue to lose out on. It's a huge upgrade considering what we're about to start out there.

balke
12-12-2007, 03:13 PM
Correct. However, the fact that we have no real players at LF, CF & 2B, no leadoff hitter and 3 question marks in the starting rotation DOES mean that it's time to surrender.


The sox have plenty of LFers and 2Bman.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:13 PM
Still waiting to hear this great plan that Kenny has in store for us.

Let's just blow it up now and rebuild because this team isn't going to do **** in 2008.

1b : Konerko
2b: Richar:
ss: Cabrera
3b: Fields
RF: Dye
CF: OWens
LF: Sweeney
C: AJ

P: Buehrle, COntreras, Danks, FLoyd, Vaz


Looks like we're almost there now

Goose
12-12-2007, 03:14 PM
This is going to be a fun year to watch the Sox!

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:14 PM
get a grip

Haha...okay. People keep saying that. And options keep dissappearing. Do you realize what we're down to? Corey Patterson and Jerry Owens for CF.

That or the reality of trading Gio and Fautino, our only prospects worth a ****, for who? Coco Crisp? No thanks.

This team has two many holes not to find a solution to the one where there were numerous, readily available names. But low and behold, that's exactly what happened.

chisox77
12-12-2007, 03:14 PM
Maybe Aaron will wear his Bears T-shirt while shagging fly balls at SBC park, just to taunt all those 49er fans. It will be his new pre-game ritual.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
1b : Konerko
2b: Richar:
ss: Cabrera
3b: Fields
RF: Dye
CF: OWens
LF: Sweeney
C: AJ

P: Buehrle, COntreras, Danks, FLoyd, Vaz


Looks like we're almost there now

Dude. TEAL.

Bill Naharodny
12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
:rolling: hehehe that's funny.:D:

I'm still holding ouy that Kenny makes a move.

And that move is called Carl Everett.

"Well, everyone knows that Carl is a gamer. He's an outstanding centerfielder."

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
Maybe Aaron will wear his Bears T-shirt while shagging fly balls at SBC park, just to taunt all those 49er fans. It will be his new pre-game ritual.


Hahaha! And he will drive his monster truck all over the Bay area.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance:

Good luck to Aaron. I'm glad we didn't overpay for his services.
Yea, I'm so glad too, I hate overpaying for players that could make us better. Hoist up that fiscal responsibility banner!!!

Kenny has gotten his ass handed to him this off season. Just couldn't pull the trigger...let's see how the season plays out, but it really doesn't look good right now.

btrain929
12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
Linky.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/12/SP4ETSURO.DTL


I don't know what's to be so pissed about. I realize he is a hometown favorite, and basically has become a legend with some. However, does anyone who saw him play for us all those years ago think he is truly a 10MM+ a year player? Because I don't.

Completely agree. He's a 3/24 guy in my head. So we're either going to need to pull off a pretty big trade, or Owens is our guy and we're gonna use money to upgrade the bullpen. This offseason is insane.

Nellie_Fox
12-12-2007, 03:15 PM
:tomatoaward

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:16 PM
Dude. TEAL.


Dude.....ummm yeah. Dude.

balke
12-12-2007, 03:16 PM
Haha...okay. People keep saying that. And options keep dissappearing. Do you realize what we're down to? Corey Patterson and Jerry Owens for CF.

That or the reality of trading Gio and Fautino, our only prospects worth a ****, for who? Coco Crisp? No thanks.

This team has two many holes not to find a solution to the one where there were numerous, readily available names. But low and behold, that's exactly what happened.


I'll stay at home next season if Coco is in CF. What a waste of a trade. I'd rather see what the minor leaguers are gonna do/not do.

ode to veeck
12-12-2007, 03:16 PM
Aaron to SF is not that surprizing. They are rebuilding and Aaron has lots of relatives in the Bay Area and only about 250 miles from his home town.

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 03:17 PM
This is going to be a fun year to watch the Sox!
This season will show who really is true and loyal fans to the Sox and even when the go through ups and downs they are still our team

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:17 PM
I'll stay at home next season if Coco is in CF. What a waste of a trade. I'd rather see what the minor leaguers are gonna do/not do.

We're not getting Coco anyways. They're gonna need him in Boston when they send Elsbury to the Twins.

ode to veeck
12-12-2007, 03:18 PM
:tomatoaward

Probably one of many to come here

southsideirish71
12-12-2007, 03:18 PM
Fess up, who already bought www.firekennywilliams.com?

According to the registration information a company called MLB Advanced Media, L. P out of New York.

http://finance.google.com/finance?cid=6016811

http://www.whois.ws/whois-com/ip-address/firekennywilliams.com/

And before you say, why would they do this. So they can steer the upset pitcfork and fire crowd to purchase some crappy product that you didnt want anyways.

They did this back in April of 07.

cbotnyse
12-12-2007, 03:18 PM
Let the Jerry Owens Era Begin...lets see what he's got.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:18 PM
Completely agree. He's a 3/24 guy in my head. So we're either going to need to pull off a pretty big trade, or Owens is our guy and we're gonna use money to upgrade the bullpen. This offseason is insane.
He's a 3/24 guy a couple of years ago, in a market where Tori Hunter gets 18 million, a .222 hitting Andruw Jones gets 14 million, a guy who hasn't seen a single pitch in the majors (but has the potential to be the next Ichiro meet Matusi) gets twelve million, Aaron Rowand coming off a year where he hit .309 commands ten million. That's the reality. People seem to be having a hard time accepting that the market has changed.

chisox77
12-12-2007, 03:19 PM
Hawk: "I love Owens."

DJ: "I can suit up, too!"

ode to veeck
12-12-2007, 03:19 PM
:tomatoaward

barely 30 minutes for that to occur, good thing West got a new quad core server with juevos muchos

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 03:19 PM
All this does is put the Tigers and Indians in a better position to compete with us. :wink:

Bill Naharodny
12-12-2007, 03:19 PM
He's a 3/24 guy a couple of years ago, in a market where Tori Hunter gets 18 million, a .222 hitting Andruw Jones gets 14 million, a guy who hasn't seen a single pitch in the majors (but has the potential to be the next Ichiro meet Matusi) gets twelve million, Aaron Rowand coming off a year where he hit .309 commands ten million. That's the reality. Kenny Williams seems to be having a hard time accepting that the market has changed.

Fixed it, my friend!

Frontman
12-12-2007, 03:20 PM
Let him go. For 5 freakin' years?!?!?!? Unless its a 25 million for the 5 years, he isn't going to be worth it.

With Rowand's style of play, he's a shoe-in for a few DL stints. And at 5 years, I would want a player who can last longer or can be moved to the DH and provide power. Since Rowand doesn't provide that, time to move on.

To plan X.

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/3063/marv.gif
"Oh please. Plan X never worked for me."

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 03:20 PM
Let the rebuilding era begin by first off trading Dye

spiffie
12-12-2007, 03:20 PM
Fess up, who already bought www.firekennywilliams.com? (http://www.firekennywilliams.com?)
Wow....it turns out that MLB owns the domain. They bought it last April. They also own firekenwilliams.com. They do not however own fireozzieguillen.com or cellimeanselljerry.com

edit: beaten to the punch. Well, he southsideirish didn't look up the rights to cellimeanselljerry.com so I feel okay about this.

soxinem1
12-12-2007, 03:21 PM
Absolutely ridiculous. We're going to be a $100 million fifth place team.

Because Rowand signed with SFG? I like the guy too, but he's not that much of a difference maker.

On to plan 65456-BB!!

nccwsfan
12-12-2007, 03:21 PM
Stinks to lose out on two more OF's, but somewhere between now and February we'll get a decent starting OF. I'm still in the .0002% minority that wants Jerry Owens to be in the starting lineup next year- an inexpensive alternative at LF or CF (take your pick) that has the potential to put up a respectable OBP in 2008 (.340 or higher).

Maybe the focus should shift back to building a better bullpen and getting another starter.

Frontman
12-12-2007, 03:22 PM
Let the rebuilding era begin by first off trading Dye

No. A thousand times, no. If they now trade Dye, after having a shot at Fukudome; it would annoy me a thousand times over.

MushMouth
12-12-2007, 03:23 PM
As of opening day I can see Owens in Center and Sweeney in left until Queintin is ready from his injury.....pretty scary

that, my friend, is VERY scary

Jimmy John
12-12-2007, 03:23 PM
oh Kenny...

www.mlb.com

rowand33
12-12-2007, 03:24 PM
I can't believe that I'm putting the name Juan Pierre in deep pink...

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 03:24 PM
He's a 3/24 guy a couple of years ago, in a market where Tori Hunter gets 18 million, a .222 hitting Andruw Jones gets 14 million, a guy who hasn't seen a single pitch in the majors (but has the potential to be the next Ichiro meet Matusi) gets twelve million, Aaron Rowand coming off a year where he hit .309 commands ten million. That's the reality. People seem to be having a hard time accepting that the market has changed.

Yep, clearly CF is simply this years starting pitchers. Makes you wonder if people are going to regret these signings as much as they did all those huge contracts they gave to crappy pitchers a few years ago.

doublem23
12-12-2007, 03:24 PM
I fail to see how this belongs in the Clubhouse.

kidmccarthy
12-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Well. Coco Crisp, Juan Pierre or David Dejesus. Thats the options now over Owens. Who do you want??

Scottiehaswheels
12-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Oh search function...

Jimmy John
12-12-2007, 03:25 PM
oops, sorry guys. you can delete this.

hi im skot
12-12-2007, 03:26 PM
Correct. However, the fact that we have no real players at LF, CF & 2B, no leadoff hitter and 3 question marks in the starting rotation DOES mean that it's time to surrender.

http://www.nitrogenorder.org/molweek/sep2005/prozac_photo.jpg


Personally, I'm really excited to see what Richar can do in a full season. I think he's a "real" player, whatever that means.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:26 PM
Fixed it, my friend!
Judging from the way some people here are talking, it sounds like they're having a hard time accepting it too.

What other CFers are out there?? Pierre? Patterson? Jesus Christ. I'd rather let Owens start...Kenny has been...Kenny has done a bad job this off season. He promised us moves and it started off good with a trade for a new shortstop, but since then it's gone downhill. I'm really upset. Really upset. Rowand wasn't even the ideal solution but he was better than just trotting Jerry friggin' Owens out there.

We've improved at one position this off season and we needed to improve at three (plus leadoff), and hte one position we improved upon created another question mark in our starting rotation and there's still the bullpen. Oh wait, we have Linebrink.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:27 PM
Too bad Soxyess isn't around for this...

SoxGirl4Life
12-12-2007, 03:28 PM
I'm impressed.

As soon as I get done with one page in this thread, there is additional page at the end. I think this may be a record-setting time to 500.

mcfish
12-12-2007, 03:29 PM
I wouldn't have minded having Rowand back, but if this is true:
Terms of the deal were not disclosed, although the value of Rowand's contract was believed to have approached the five-year, $90 million package that Torii Hunter, another free-agent center fielder, recently received from the Los Angeles Angels.
I wouldn't really want to be paying him more than $15M, maybe $16M. And that's stretching it quite a bit due to other market conditions.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:29 PM
BRING BACK CAMERON!!! BRING BACK JOE BORCHARD! Bring BACK TIMO!

Blueprint1
12-12-2007, 03:29 PM
Sorry, but I would rather play one of the kids from the minors rather than trade for Coco crisp or Pierre.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:29 PM
Yep, clearly CF is simply this years starting pitchers. Makes you wonder if people are going to regret these signings as much as they did all those huge contracts they gave to crappy pitchers a few years ago.
I'm not sure, I mean I can honestly see Jones coming around to have a good year, Hunter could put up similiar numbers in Anahiem (and they could win the pennant), Fukodome I think will be solid and Rowand...well, I'm not sure what to expect from Rowand. This could be the norm now. If you want to compete you have to spend an absurd amount of money. A $100 million just isn't going to cut it anymore.

cards press box
12-12-2007, 03:29 PM
Well. Coco Crisp, Juan Pierre or David Dejesus. Thats the options now over Owens. Who do you want??

Without Rowand off the market, I say Pierre. Is a trade of Crede for Pierre and cash possible? I think a 1-2 of Pierre and O. Cabrera would be good. I don't believe that the Astros included Chris Burke in the Tejada deal, so a deal for Burke (as insurance for Richar) might also be in order. I know that everyone is pitching a fit about the Giants signing Rowand but the Sox still have options.

Does anyone think that in light of the Tejada trade, Baltimore is a likely destination for Uribe?

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:31 PM
Without Rowand off the market, I say Pierre. Is a trade of Crede for Pierre and cash possible? I think a 1-2 of Pierre and O. Cabrera would be good. I don't believe that the Astros included Chris Burke in the Tejada deal, so a deal for Burke (as insurance for Richar) might also be in order. I know that everyone is pitching a fit about the Giants signing Rowand but the Sox still have options.

Does anyone think that in light of the Tejada trade, Baltimore is a likely destination for Uribe?
Uribe for Beddard and Roberts????

twentywontowin
12-12-2007, 03:31 PM
Because Rowand signed with SFG? I like the guy too, but he's not that much of a difference maker.

On to plan 65456-BB!!

I'll take Coco Crisp, but if Jerry Owens is starting in CF, I could throw up.

DSpivack
12-12-2007, 03:31 PM
Uribe for Beddard and Roberts????

Deep teal or pink, or both?

Madvora
12-12-2007, 03:32 PM
Seriously, with what's left out there, they might as well give the job to Owens. If we're going to succeed this year, it's going to be because of our kids. It's not like a guy like Crisp is going to put the team over the top.
We still have that money, so use it on pitchers I guess.

mcfish
12-12-2007, 03:32 PM
Deep teal or pink, or both?Some statements are such a deep teal they appear as black on your screen.

soxinem1
12-12-2007, 03:33 PM
BRING BACK CAMERON!!! BRING BACK JOE BORCHARD! Bring BACK TIMO!

Cameron is the only one available, and he's not available until May 2008.

Timo resigned w/DET, and Joltin' Joe is with ATL.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:33 PM
Deep teal or pink, or both?
I thought it was implied...but a bit of both.

Tragg
12-12-2007, 03:33 PM
Let the Jerry Owens Era Begin...
Brian Anderson version.
I'm sort of relieved we didn't sign Rowand.
No do one of those funky Konerko trades for all of these Angels or Dodgers everyone says are so good, but whom I've never seen swing a bat.

IceczMan
12-12-2007, 03:33 PM
I dont consider myself the biggest Rowand fan, but this just adds to the growing disappointment in the offseason. I would have been fine with seeing how Owens, Sweeney, Anderson, and now Quinton do in the outfield this year, in addition to Dye, but for Kenny to come out with such big talk about this offseason and how losing has put such a bad taste in his mouth, this is just frustrating.

I dont care if those comments were just PR to get season tickets sold or if he actually thought he would be able to get these free agents at the usual 'market value.'

Brian26
12-12-2007, 03:33 PM
Just got the news via email.

My only explanation is that this is an intricate plot by the White Sox to sell any remaining over-priced Soxfest hotel packages by dangling the possibility of a public stoning of Kenny Williams.

:thud:

ZombieRob
12-12-2007, 03:34 PM
I've watched it everyday this offseason.
You might look good going into that bet .right now the royals starting five is alot better than Sox.Meche Bannister Grienke.compared tp Buerhle Vasquez and Pops Contreras

Frontman
12-12-2007, 03:34 PM
At this point, I'm ready to give Anderson another shot.

We still need a leadoff hitter.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:34 PM
Just got the news via email.

My only explanation is that this is an intricate plot by the White Sox to sell any remaining over-priced Soxfest hotel packages by dangling the possibility of a public stoning of Kenny Williams.

:thud:

That;s it I'm out rip up my check I want my money for Soxfest back

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:35 PM
Just got the news via email.

My only explanation is that this is an intricate plot by the White Sox to sell any remaining over-priced Soxfest hotel packages by dangling the possibility of a public stoning of Kenny Williams.

:thud:
I don't normally go to those sort of things, the big fan conventions, but I'd pay good money to see the Q and A with Kenny this year. It's going to get awfully fiesty.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:36 PM
At this point, I'm ready to give Anderson another shot.

We still need a leadoff hitter.
I was just thinking that...if Kenny didn't have any egg on his face from the Hunter affair, he sure as hell does now. Plan A didn't work, Plan 1 A, what plan are we on now?

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 03:36 PM
I don't normally go to those sort of things, the big fan conventions, but I'd pay good money to see the Q and A with Kenny this year. It's going to get awfully fiesty.

May need to do this -> :popcorn:

mjmcend
12-12-2007, 03:36 PM
I don't normally go to those sort of things, the big fan conventions, but I'd pay good money to see the Q and A with Kenny this year. It's going to get awfully fiesty.

All the price increases this year will be eaten up by increased security costs.

voodoochile
12-12-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm not sure, I mean I can honestly see Jones coming around to have a good year, Hunter could put up similiar numbers in Anahiem (and they could win the pennant), Fukodome I think will be solid and Rowand...well, I'm not sure what to expect from Rowand. This could be the norm now. If you want to compete you have to spend an absurd amount of money. A $100 million just isn't going to cut it anymore.

Bull****. $100M is plenty of money if you spend it right. The Sox may actually have already done so if everyone bounces back to career norms and the kids step up. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's still possible.

Oh and if that report that the contract was 5/90 is true it's a major mistake, IMO.

Brian26
12-12-2007, 03:36 PM
That;s it I'm out rip up my check I want my money for Soxfest back

Already cashed. It's going to be a fun weekend. :D:

SoxSpeed22
12-12-2007, 03:36 PM
That;s it I'm out rip up my check I want my money for Soxfest backThere will be a spike in produce sales around that time, and most of it will probably be used to throw at Kenny Williams.

mcfish
12-12-2007, 03:37 PM
You might look good going into that bet .right now the royals starting five is alot better than Sox.Meche Bannister Grienke.compared tp Buerhle Vasquez and Pops ContrerasFirst, you said 5 and then named 3. Second, I would say after last year Danks is our third best pitcher right now. Third, I would in fact take Buehrle, Vazquez, and Danks over the 3 you mentioned.

ksimpson14
12-12-2007, 03:37 PM
LMAO, MLB bought it in April 07. I guess they saw that year coming a mile away

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:37 PM
Already cashed. It's going to be a fun weekend. :D:

Fine. I'm moving to San Fran and buying a Rowand jersey.

russ99
12-12-2007, 03:38 PM
Well that's just peachy. Big mistake giving him 5 years, but that doesn't make it any less upsetting for Sox and Rowand fans.

Better make a move soon Kenny. You're losing the few Sox fans still in your corner...

SoxSpeed22
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
Jesus would work. :)

I'd like to see tough guy Padilla try and drill Jesus. I thought he couldn't hit a curveball.

DSpivack
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
Well that's just peachy. Big mistake giving him 5 years, but that doesn't make it any less upsetting for Sox and Rowand fans.

Better make a move soon Kenny. You're losing the few Sox fans still in your corner...

Goodbye!

jsg-07
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
Jesus would work. :)

I'd like to see tough guy Padilla try and drill Jesus.

I hear Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball...

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
I thought he couldn't hit a curveball.

No that was Michael Jordan.

Rockabilly
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
this totally sucks now we have to give up some prospects like Gio or Broadway to get a CF...

California Sox
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
I don't understand the angst over Rowand. He's a slightly above average major leaguer who is outstanding in the clubhouse. Maybe his intangibles would have helped but he is not the guy who turns a 90 loss team into a 90 win team. $15mil per for 5 seasons of average play is a lot.

Oakland has decided they can't compete with the Angels and they're going into rebuilding mode. I wonder how long before that thought occurs to Kenny? I mean, Detroit and Cleveland are at least as good as the Angels on paper.

It will be interesting to see who gets a shot at the Sox OF. Maybe BA's "new adult attitude" will make KW look like a genius. Doubt it, but that might be the best shot at this point.

DSpivack
12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
No that was Michael Jordan.

I thought they were one and the same? :dunno:

Soxfest
12-12-2007, 03:40 PM
I am glad they did not overpay for AR and his 2 decent seasons. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/gosoxretro.gif:bandance::dtroll::supernana::)

Navarro's Talent
12-12-2007, 03:40 PM
May need to do this -> :popcorn:

Yes, that could be really interesting. I wonder if KW will even be there for it. If he reads WSI, he might just let Ozzie do it.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:40 PM
Jesus would work. :)

I'd like to see tough guy Padilla try and drill Jesus.
:rolling:

Problem is, how many bases could Jesus steal in just sandals??

sox230
12-12-2007, 03:40 PM
I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.....OUR STUBBORN IDIOT KENNY WILLIAMS STICKS WITH HIS SOX FORMULA AND IN THE END WE ARE LEFT WITH NOBODY.....IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, SPEND IT SOMEPLACE! WOULD IT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THAT MUCH MORE TO GIVE TORII 3 MORE MILLION EVERY YEAR? NO. BUT WE ARE STUPID AND STUBBORN AND THIS TEAM IS HEADED NOWHERE FAST.:angry::angry::angry::angry:

russ99
12-12-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't understand the angst over Rowand. He's a slightly above average major leaguer who is outstanding in the clubhouse. Maybe his intangibles would have helped but he is not the guy who turns a 90 loss team into a 90 win team. $15mil per for 5 seasons of average play is a lot.

Oakland has decided they can't compete with the Angels and they're going into rebuilding mode. I wonder how long before that thought occurs to Kenny? I mean, Detroit and Cleveland are at least as good as the Angels on paper.

It will be interesting to see who gets a shot at the Sox OF. Maybe BA's "new adult attitude" will make KW look like a genius. Doubt it, but that might be the best shot at this point.

Didn't see the money for Rowand. $15M/season is ridiculous for a player of his caliber.

mcfish
12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
this totally sucks now we have to give up some prospects like Gio or Broadway to get a CF...Yeah, I can see it now - Gio to the Sox for Jerry Owens. Good trade.

Rockabilly
12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
We cant paid 5 yr/ 60M now im pissed

SoxSpeed22
12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
What was the over/under for this board imploding again?
I'd go with the under at this point.

DSpivack
12-12-2007, 03:41 PM
Yeah, I can see it now - Gio to the Sox for Jerry Owens. Good trade.

:sunshine:

kobo
12-12-2007, 03:42 PM
Well that's just peachy. Big mistake giving him 5 years, but that doesn't make it any less upsetting for Sox and Rowand fans.

Better make a move soon Kenny. You're losing the few Sox fans still in your corner...
If Sox fans leave because they didn't resign Rowand, who is not worth the money or years he got and who would not turn the Sox into contenders in 08, then they weren't fans to begin with.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:42 PM
We cant paid 5 yr/ 60M now im pissed

HUH? the report is 5 year close to 90 mil

It's Time
12-12-2007, 03:43 PM
:KW
"Hi, is Carl Everett in?"


:everett:
"This is Carl"


:KW
"Carl, it's Kenny. Wan't to play LF for us this year?"



:everett:
Hangs up phone.



:KW
"Well, plan T is now in play".

Rockabilly
12-12-2007, 03:43 PM
HUH? the report is 5 year close to 90 mil

WSCR said it was 5 yr/ 60 M

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:43 PM
Didn't see the money for Rowand. $15M/season is ridiculous for a player of his caliber.
That's the market now. If hunter gets 18 mil, a .222 hitter gets 14 mil, and a prospect from Japan gets 12 mil, a .309 hitter gets that deal.

kobo
12-12-2007, 03:44 PM
I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.....OUR STUBBORN IDIOT KENNY WILLIAMS STICKS WITH HIS SOX FORMULA AND IN THE END WE ARE LEFT WITH NOBODY.....IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, SPEND IT SOMEPLACE! WOULD IT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THAT MUCH MORE TO GIVE TORII 3 MORE MILLION EVERY YEAR? NO. BUT WE ARE STUPID AND STUBBORN AND THIS TEAM IS HEADED NOWHERE FAST.:angry::angry::angry::angry:
TORII DID NOT GIVE THE SOX A CHANCE TO COUNTER THE ANGELS OFFER, ROWAND WAS NOT THE ANSWER TO TURNING THE TEAM FROM A 90 LOSS TEAM TO A PLAYOFF CONTENDER. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MONEY DOESN'T MEAN YOU JUST GO OUT AND SPEND IT.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:44 PM
WSCR said it was 5 yr/ 60 M


wow..that does suck if true

Sargeant79
12-12-2007, 03:44 PM
ESPN.com is reporting 5 years, $60 million

ozzie'sBallSack
12-12-2007, 03:44 PM
I was hoping for some type of holiday pick me up for the Sox and KW, guess I'll wait till next December.

:whiner:

mcfish
12-12-2007, 03:45 PM
I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.....OUR STUBBORN IDIOT KENNY WILLIAMS STICKS WITH HIS SOX FORMULA AND IN THE END WE ARE LEFT WITH NOBODY.....IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, SPEND IT SOMEPLACE! WOULD IT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THAT MUCH MORE TO GIVE TORII 3 MORE MILLION EVERY YEAR? NO. BUT WE ARE STUPID AND STUBBORN AND THIS TEAM IS HEADED NOWHERE FAST.:angry::angry::angry::angry:So, 9 positions x what, an average of about $15M per position (you gotta get a bargain once in a while) + 4 starters x $15M = $195 million on the payroll.

Putting 1/7 of a $125M payroll into 1 player is not always the best thing to do.

russ99
12-12-2007, 03:46 PM
That's the market now. If hunter gets 18 mil, a .222 hitter gets 14 mil, and a prospect from Japan gets 12 mil, a .309 hitter gets that deal.

As a big Rowand fan I'd be a lot more upset if the Sox lost out because of the 5th year. For that kind of coin, forget about it. He's not that good...

And I didn't say I wasn't going to be a Sox fan, I just said my unshakable faith in Kenny is starting to slip.

AZChiSoxFan
12-12-2007, 03:47 PM
Seriously, with what's left out there, they might as well give the job to Owens. If we're going to succeed this year, it's going to be because of our kids. It's not like a guy like Crisp is going to put the team over the top.
We still have that money, so use it on pitchers I guess.

After thinking about it some more, I would say that I have to agree with you. Regarding the fact that KW didn't get a legit CF this off season, on one hand I hate it because it obviously won't be good to have Owens in CF next year. On the other hand, however, it's good that KW didn't hamstring the Sox with a bad contract (which may be exactly what Hunter, Rowand, Jones and Fukudome all got). I guess I'm OK with what happened this off season, AS LONG AS Kenny spends whatever he has to, the next time a premier FA hits the market.

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:48 PM
TORII DID NOT GIVE THE SOX A CHANCE TO COUNTER THE ANGELS OFFER, ROWAND WAS NOT THE ANSWER TO TURNING THE TEAM FROM A 90 LOSS TEAM TO A PLAYOFF CONTENDER. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MONEY DOESN'T MEAN YOU JUST GO OUT AND SPEND IT.
Look Rowand wasn't going to be a savior for this team and magically get us 90 wins, but you know what? He was a better option than Jerry Owens. He was also the last "premier" FA CFer out there. And we didn't get him because we don't want to "over pay."

Rockabilly
12-12-2007, 03:49 PM
KW offers about 50M for a player who has never played in the major but can't give an All-star gold glover 60M...

ZombieRob
12-12-2007, 03:49 PM
ESPN.com is reporting 5 years, $60 million
Soxfest is going to be a joy.just the fans ripping the ego maniac is worth price of admission alone.But seriously like i said before .they guy i feel badly for the most is Ozzie.Sure he's locked in .but this man wants to win.and so far he's been giving a raw deal.But it is early so we'll see.my fear is the Sox really have no one anybody wants.Sox most tradable com odity Konerko can pretty much veto any trade

russ99
12-12-2007, 03:49 PM
After thinking about it some more, I would say that I have to agree with you. Regarding the fact that KW didn't get a legit CF this off season, on one hand I hate it because it obviously won't be good to have Owens in CF next year. On the other hand, however, it's good that KW didn't hamstring the Sox with a bad contract (which may be exactly what Hunter, Rowand, Jones and Fukudome all got). I guess I'm OK with what happened this off season, AS LONG AS Kenny spends whatever he has to, the next time a premier FA hits the market.

And there are still trades that can be made.

I'd hope Kenny's in on that Jason Bay auction and kicking tires elsewhere too.

I don't think a lot of Sox fans are going to buy tickets to a $80M payroll team with Quentin and Owens starting in LF and CF...

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:50 PM
After thinking about it some more, I would say that I have to agree with you. Regarding the fact that KW didn't get a legit CF this off season, on one hand I hate it because it obviously won't be good to have Owens in CF next year. On the other hand, however, it's good that KW didn't hamstring the Sox with a bad contract (which may be exactly what Hunter, Rowand, Jones and Fukudome all got). I guess I'm OK with what happened this off season, AS LONG AS Kenny spends whatever he has to, the next time a premier FA hits the market.
The next premier FA is going to be looking for a deal similar to what Hunter got, are the Sox willing to spend that kind of money?

jsg-07
12-12-2007, 03:50 PM
I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.....OUR STUBBORN IDIOT KENNY WILLIAMS STICKS WITH HIS SOX FORMULA AND IN THE END WE ARE LEFT WITH NOBODY.....IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, SPEND IT SOMEPLACE! WOULD IT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THAT MUCH MORE TO GIVE TORII 3 MORE MILLION EVERY YEAR? NO. BUT WE ARE STUPID AND STUBBORN AND THIS TEAM IS HEADED NOWHERE FAST.:angry::angry::angry::angry:

we are stuck with nobody??? Burhls, pk, dye, thome, AJ, Fields, Javy,

Nobody??

As for the three more million to Torii.... last I heard, Kenny was not given a chance to match that. So maybe back off a bit.

I as much as anyone was hoping for more this year, but whether you want to call them excuses or what, its not like kenny did not try or do the best he could with what we had.

Torii-5 years $75 mil??? People here were complaining it was too much and Torii would have taken it had the angels not come in and over-paid.

Miggy-Our farm system is what it is, nothing we can do about it now.

Fukudome- Reports show we out bid competition, however, he wanted to be the first Japanese player on a team. Can't help it if the guy does not want to play here because of his ego.

Rowand- You will find if you read any of my posts that I am a big Rowand fan, but 5 years for him?? Ok, maybe thats the market but he is not a lead off hitter and if there are no lead off hitters out there we can aquire / pay for, we have to give Owens a try.

I hate to be a kenny apologist here, but what the hell would any of us done any differently??

ZombieRob
12-12-2007, 03:50 PM
KW offers about 50M for a player who has never played in the major but can't give an All-star gold glover 60M...
K.W says he really like Owens and Quentin.So if he says they are going to be good ,we just have to believe him.

AZChiSoxFan
12-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Is 190 posts in the first hour of a thread a WSI record?

Madvora
12-12-2007, 03:51 PM
All this does is put San Francisco in a better position to compete with us.

kobo
12-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Look Rowand wasn't going to be a savior for this team and magically get us 90 wins, but you know what? He was a better option than Jerry Owens. He was also the last "premier" FA CFer out there. And we didn't get him because we don't want to "over pay."
We as fans have no idea why we didn't get him. Maybe the Sox never even pursued him. Just because he was available doesn't mean the Sox were making a move to get him.

SoxSpeed22
12-12-2007, 03:51 PM
:tomatoaward:tomatoaward
That didn't take long.
:therapy:

ZombieRob
12-12-2007, 03:52 PM
The next premier FA is going to be looking for a deal similar to what Hunter got, are the Sox willing to spend that kind of money?
Next premier agent? whos left?

munchman33
12-12-2007, 03:52 PM
KW offers about 50M for a player who has never played in the major but can't give an All-star gold glover 60M...


It's all about upside. Rowand is what he is. He'll never be a superstar, and that's superstar money you're talking about.

oeo
12-12-2007, 03:52 PM
I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.....OUR STUBBORN IDIOT KENNY WILLIAMS STICKS WITH HIS SOX FORMULA AND IN THE END WE ARE LEFT WITH NOBODY.....IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, SPEND IT SOMEPLACE! WOULD IT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THAT MUCH MORE TO GIVE TORII 3 MORE MILLION EVERY YEAR? NO. BUT WE ARE STUPID AND STUBBORN AND THIS TEAM IS HEADED NOWHERE FAST.:angry::angry::angry::angry:

Damn, somebody needs to take a step back and take a couple deep breaths. It's not the end of the world; believe it or not, life will go on...

If Kenny is going to make some serious changes, I'd rather he get creative and trade guys like Konerko/Dye for youth. Not sign free agents to large sums and lose draft picks.

mcfish
12-12-2007, 03:52 PM
I don't think a lot of Sox fans are going to buy tickets to a $80M payroll team with Quentin and Owens starting in LF and CF...You'll be surprised then...

Also, no way the payroll goes down to $80M. It's going to be way higher than that.

chisoxmike
12-12-2007, 03:52 PM
K.W says he really like Owens and Quentin.So if he says they are going to be good ,we just have to believe him.

He also said Sisco and Aardsma were "lock down" guys. I didn't buy that a year ago, and I don't buy Jerry Owens now. Although, I am interested to see what Quentin can do.

salty99
12-12-2007, 03:53 PM
He also said Sisco and Aardsma were "lock down" guys. I didn't buy that a year ago, and I don't buy Jerry Owens now. Although, I am interested to see what Quentin can do.

Exactly, what is he supposed to say, we got these 2 new guys and they suck. The end.

nccwsfan
12-12-2007, 03:53 PM
I DONT THINK YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU HAVE TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.....OUR STUBBORN IDIOT KENNY WILLIAMS STICKS WITH HIS SOX FORMULA AND IN THE END WE ARE LEFT WITH NOBODY.....IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO SPEND, SPEND IT SOMEPLACE! WOULD IT HAVE REALLY TAKEN THAT MUCH MORE TO GIVE TORII 3 MORE MILLION EVERY YEAR? NO. BUT WE ARE STUPID AND STUBBORN AND THIS TEAM IS HEADED NOWHERE FAST.:angry::angry::angry::angry:

Stupid and stubborn? GMAB- most Angels fans will probably strongly disagree with you in 2012 when the LA Angels are paying $18 million per year for a 37 year old Hunter. Overpaying for declining skills is not a sound investment, regardless of who the player is. If the sources are correct we were the highest bidder for Fukudome- how does that make KW stubborn?

Unless I'm reading my calendar incorrectly spring training does not start tomorrow. I know it's hard to do because the big name FA's are off of the board, but let the offseason play out before declaring this team going nowhere.:rolleyes:

russ99
12-12-2007, 03:54 PM
You'll be surprised then...

Also, no way the payroll goes down to $80M. It's going to be way higher than that.

That's what it's at now without Crede and Uribe. And if Danks and Floyd are the last 2 starters and Owens and Quentin are the outfielders, I don't see how it will get bigger.

I wonder if we need to reassess that whole Crede at 3B and Fields in LF possibility. If we can't get another hitter, there's no point in dealing Crede until the deadline.

Chicken Dinner
12-12-2007, 03:54 PM
It's all about upside. Rowand is what he is. He'll never be a superstar, and that's superstar money you're talking about.

Unfortunately it's not superstar money anymore.

DeuceUnit
12-12-2007, 03:54 PM
I know this has to be a record for the amount of people browsing Talking Baseball!!! Over 200 right now! Wow. That said, this is worse than the 2003 off season. :gulp:

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 03:55 PM
we are stuck with nobody??? Burhls, pk, dye, thome, AJ, Fields, Javy,

Nobody??

As for the three more million to Torii.... last I heard, Kenny was not given a chance to match that. So maybe back off a bit.

I as much as anyone was hoping for more this year, but whether you want to call them excuses or what, its not like kenny did not try or do the best he could with what we had.

Torii-5 years $75 mil??? People here were complaining it was too much and Torii would have taken it had the angels not come in and over-paid.

Miggy-Our farm system is what it is, nothing we can do about it now.

Fukudome- Reports show we out bid competition, however, he wanted to be the first Japanese player on a team. Can't help it if the guy does not want to play here because of his ego.

Rowand- You will find if you read any of my posts that I am a big Rowand fan, but 5 years for him?? Ok, maybe thats the market but he is not a lead off hitter and if there are no lead off hitters out there we can aquire / pay for, we have to give Owens a try.

I hate to be a kenny apologist here, but what the hell would any of us done any differently??
The thing is, the Hunter signing is really what set the market...so once we lost out on him we had to be prepared to offer more to guys like Rowand and Fukodome...the whole Fukodome thing sounds fishy, he turns down more money because he wants to be the first Japanese player on a team? Hmm...it could be that he wanted to play for a team that he thought had a chance at contending, and if that's the case, it hurts, but it's probably the truth...as for Rowand, we had lost out on Hunter and Fukodome at this point and if I'm GM and I want to win NOW I'd just give him the fifth year and bite the bullet. By re-signing JD, AJ and Buerhle he's made a commitment to winning now and it's too late to just change direction in the middle of the off season.

JNS
12-12-2007, 03:56 PM
It goes on and on and on.
Jerry Owens has his chance now, unless he was plan Z11. Anderson is probably plan Z92 in Ozzie and Kenny's eyes.

You sound like a German U-boat or the next Nissan sports car.

KW will do well to slink out of town using one of those methods of transportation.

Seriously, Ozzie himself has said that he is very worried about the lineup if something isn't done. As many have said, there is plenty of time to get something done, but nobody left to do something with.

Oh yeah, Barry Bonds is available. Whoopie.

ode to veeck
12-12-2007, 03:57 PM
TORII DID NOT GIVE THE SOX A CHANCE TO COUNTER THE ANGELS OFFER, ROWAND WAS NOT THE ANSWER TO TURNING THE TEAM FROM A 90 LOSS TEAM TO A PLAYOFF CONTENDER. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MONEY DOESN'T MEAN YOU JUST GO OUT AND SPEND IT.

will you folks turn off your caps key please

kittle42
12-12-2007, 03:57 PM
He's a 3/24 guy a couple of years ago, in a market where Tori Hunter gets 18 million, a .222 hitting Andruw Jones gets 14 million, a guy who hasn't seen a single pitch in the majors (but has the potential to be the next Ichiro meet Matusi) gets twelve million, Aaron Rowand coming off a year where he hit .309 commands ten million. That's the reality. People seem to be having a hard time accepting that the market has changed.

Yes, they love their Fiscally Responsible Champion White Sox.

ksimpson14
12-12-2007, 03:57 PM
Back after the Garland trade, Williams did a long interview with CSN, and he said it'd be possible that Owens starts and they'd give him a shot (before Hunter signed anywhere), and that he was absolutely fine with Danks/Floyd and the rotation.

I figured he was just doing his 'just in case' talk and trying to fool people, but now it looks a lot different. But that's okay, everyone here says he's "working hard". Yeah, like we really know that. Because when you're spending your time trying to acquire Miguel Cabrera when your offer is a joke, that's a real good example of working hard and efficiently.

When Rowand continues to do well, it'll be blamed on the NL, even though it makes little sense since he's not a SP. Well, coming back to the AL really hurt Jim Thome, coming from the same ballpark/team, and going up or staying the same in offensive categories across the board the following year. And now the number is 60 mill? Oh my, this team has become a joke.

It's Time
12-12-2007, 03:58 PM
the whole Fukodome thing sounds fishy, he turns down more money because he wants to be the first Japanese player on a team? Hmm...it could be that he wanted to play for a team that he thought had a chance at contending, and if that's the case, it hurts, but it's probably the truth....

The whole "I want to be the 1st Japanese player on the Cubs BS" is just a nice way of saying I think you're team sucks.

kidmccarthy
12-12-2007, 03:58 PM
So as in lasts weeks meltdown, will Kenny come out and say that Quentin and Owens are highly regarded in the league and any team out there would covet them? I surely see him saying something of that ilk. When that happens my friend....Kenny Williams will be dead to me. DEAD.

Rockabilly
12-12-2007, 03:58 PM
I had such high hopes going into this off season after hearing KW talked about how things are going to change and we will be back into the playoffs..

I'm willing to give KW time to fixed this team but its getting harder and harder after you see Hunter,Jones, Rowand and Fukudome signing with other teams.

ksimpson14
12-12-2007, 03:59 PM
we are stuck with nobody??? Burhls, pk, dye, thome, AJ, Fields, Javy,

Nobody??

I hate to be a kenny apologist here, but what the hell would any of us done any differently??



Uhh yeah, nobody for our holes. Those guys got you an embarrassing season last year. Some might regress even more if following trends. It says a lot when you were better off taking back Podsednik as the best option for your OF spot

Goose
12-12-2007, 04:00 PM
On the other hand, however, it's good that KW didn't hamstring the Sox with a bad contract (which may be exactly what Hunter, Rowand, Jones and Fukudome all got). I guess I'm OK with what happened this off season, AS LONG AS Kenny spends whatever he has to, the next time a premier FA hits the market.

Are you kidding me? For real? You're OK with it because the contracts they got MAY look bad at some point in the future? When would that line be crossed from a good contract to a bad one? ANY contract could become a bad contract at some point. The player may end up playing 1 game of his 5/90 contract due to injury. Does that mean that no competitive contracts should ever be offered? And you are giving Kenny a pass AS LONG AS he gets premier FA NEXT off season? What about THIS off season? A lot of people on this board are preaching about the amount of money players are being offered. Claiming that such-and-such a player is not "worth that much"...well, guess what...they ARE worth it because that is what they got. We got Owens. HIP-HIP-HUR-****ING-HAY. I was on the fence and keeping quiet on the Kenny/JR bashing, but this is getting ridiculous. Spend the ****ing money, lest we adopt the Royals and Rays philosophy. Kenny has looked like an ass this whole off season, and I don't see it getting any better anytime soon. It feels like we are stuck between a season where we are rebuilding and a season where we are trying to compete. There is no middle ground. This team has no direction at all...they are just all over the place.

ksimpson14
12-12-2007, 04:00 PM
So as in lasts weeks meltdown, will Kenny come out and say that Quentin and Owens are highly regarded in the league and any team out there would covet them? I surely see him saying something of that ilk. When that happens my friend....Kenny Williams will be dead to me. DEAD.

He already talked up Owens like that after the Garland trade. I guess he already foresaw himself sitting on his ass this year

nysox35
12-12-2007, 04:00 PM
I wonder if we need to reassess that whole Crede at 3B and Fields in LF possibility. If we can't get another hitter, there's no point in dealing Crede until the deadline.

I am wondering that as well. I am against trading Joe, especially for the bag of balls that most people seem to think we'd get in return. How about this:

CF Owens
SS Cabrera
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
3B Crede
C AJ
LF Fields
2B Richar

That doesn't seem TOO Horrible. I'm not an Owens hater like so many on here. I think he could actually be a decent player.

DeadMoney
12-12-2007, 04:00 PM
Well...

Time to develop Owens, Quentin, Fields, Richar, maybe Anderson, maybe Sweeney, etc., and to save the money they didn't spend for future years.

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 04:00 PM
You sound like a German U-boat or the next Nissan sports car.

KW will do well to slink out of town using one of those methods of transportation.

Seriously, Ozzie himself has said that he is very worried about the lineup if something isn't done. As many have said, there is plenty of time to get something done, but nobody left to do something with.

Oh yeah, Barry Bonds is available. Whoopie.
Gene:and now the starting line up for your 2008 Chicago Whitesox!
fans:cheering
Gene:leading off Center Fielder #7 Jerry Owens!
Fans:light cheering
Gene:2nd shortstop #___ Orlando Cabrera
Fans:pretty good cheer
Gene:3rd Left Fielder Barry Bonds
Fans: Boooooooooooooooooooooo
and so on

StepsInSC
12-12-2007, 04:01 PM
Odd to say it but it could be worse; we could be the GIANTS.

salty99
12-12-2007, 04:01 PM
I hear Mackowiak is available...how about him in Center?

getonbckthr
12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Thank you for saving our ass San Francisco.

munchman33
12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Odd to say it but it could be worse; we could be the GIANTS.

At least they sign the players they say they will.

russ99
12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
I am wondering that as well. I am against trading Joe, especially for the bag of balls that most people seem to think we'd get in return. How about this:

CF Owens
SS Cabrera
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
3B Crede
C AJ
LF Fields
2B Richar

That doesn't seem TOO Horrible. I'm not an Owens hater like so many on here. I think he could actually be a decent player.

I'm not sold on Owens. I'd prefer Cabrera 1st, Fields 2nd then Owens 9th.
It's not horrible, but not good either.

Maybe Kenny has a few deals up his sleeves. Spring Training's still a long way away.

CLR01
12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:


There will be a lot of people crying in their beers tonight. Thank god.


I wonder how long until the first Rowand to Sox trade thread pops up. 1 month?

kidmccarthy
12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Odd to say it but it could be worse; we could be the GIANTS.

Yeah, we could have Lincecum and Cain for the next five years.

DSpivack
12-12-2007, 04:03 PM
At least they sign the players they say they will.

They are the definition of overpaid mediocrity. It seems like that's what a lot of folks here want to be.

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 04:03 PM
Odd to say it but it could be worse; we could be the GIANTS.
Or even worse...we could be the Astros who just gave away 5 prospects for a declining player and we could now have absolutly no fam system(at least we somewhat but very smally have one) and we could still suck in the N.L. Central

Tekijawa
12-12-2007, 04:03 PM
Looks like the Giants will try and compete with us this year also!

WhiteSox5187
12-12-2007, 04:04 PM
The whole "I want to be the 1st Japanese player on the Cubs BS" is just a nice way of saying I think you're team sucks.
Yep...we're kinda screwed here. Another poster said it earlier, we don't really have a direction right now...:(:

StepsInSC
12-12-2007, 04:04 PM
At least they sign the players they say they will.

That's the single most stupid thing I've read today.

kittle42
12-12-2007, 04:04 PM
I had 1/3 of a season ticket package and went to 12 games last year, mostly before the break. Could be fewer this year. I enjoy a day at the ballpark, but I can't stand watching a steaming pile of crap on the field.

Well, at least they're still getting my money! Go Sox!

brumski
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Source citing that Aaron Rowand has agreed in principal to a 6 year / 50 million dollar deal with the San Frincisco Giants.

gogosox16
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Yeah, we could have Lincecum and Cain for the next five years.
Or we could have Gavin Floyd and Jose Contreras instead

Bucky F. Dent
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
He probably got a huge deal that he did not deserve, but that is what free agents get nowadays and if the Sox are seeming more and more to be reluctant to change with the times.


The Reinsdorf and Williams are beginning to remind me more and more of Old man Wirtz and Pulford, complaining about the skyrocketing contracts being paid for players while other teams pay those prices, and the Hawks/Sox try to get by on a budget that becomes increasingly unrealistic.

BeviBall!
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
How about this:

CF Owens
SS Cabrera
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
3B Crede
C AJ
LF Fields
2B Richar

That doesn't seem TOO Horrible.

That's a decent lineup for the NL Central. We're going to get our lunch handed to us daily in the AL Central.

Madvora
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Claiming that such-and-such a player is not "worth that much"...well, guess what...they ARE worth it because that is what they got.
I agree with you here. There's too many people that rip any contract signed out there and make it look like it was a great decision by KW because the other team got screwed with that contract.
This is like some kind of denial self-defense mechanism that keeps recurring in some posters after every contract is signed.

StepsInSC
12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Yeah, we could have Lincecum and Cain for the next five years.

Lincecum and Cain are not going to save the Giants. They're paying $26 million for an outfield of Rowand, Randy Winn, and Dave Roberts.

Over By There
12-12-2007, 04:06 PM
Are you kidding me? For real? You're OK with it because the contracts they got MAY look bad at some point in the future?

I can't believe I'm going to wade into this thread, but I'm getting a little confused by the Dark Cloud Party Line.

Some say that we should blow this team up and focus on competing in 2011.

Others say we shouldn't worry about giving away bloated contracts just because OH MY LORD WE SHOULD BE PANICKING - AARON ROWAND WAS THE ONLY PREMIER CF LEFT OUT THERE!

PPDCs, please help me understand.

asindc
12-12-2007, 04:06 PM
Too bad Soxyess isn't around for this...

Actually, I was thinking that Soxyess still being around would have crashed the server by now...:?:

brumski
12-12-2007, 04:06 PM
supposedly the Sox took their offer off the table... I guarantee the dealing will begin in the next week, starting with Konerko...