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Sockinchisox
12-05-2007, 12:26 PM
Starting in 2013, players who have bonuses or incentives in their contracts for awards can no longer win that award.

The BWAA approved this today.

BadBobbyJenks
12-05-2007, 12:27 PM
Starting in 2013, players who have bonuses or incentives in their contracts for awards can no longer win that award.

The BWAA approved this today.


why is this an issue?

Fenway
12-05-2007, 12:29 PM
Schilling gets $1,000,000 next year if he gets ONE Cy Young vote

Dan Shaughnessy went nuts about it

Big Schill's disclosure that he gets $1 million for a single 2008 Cy Young vote might be the final straw in the old debate about baseball writers voting for postseason awards. I was aware of players having clauses for "winning" an award. But it would be costly and difficult to rig an entire election, so the conflict was less obvious. In this case, there are 28 baseball writers around the country who'll have Cy ballots (voters can put three names on the ballot, in descending order), and a third-place vote could be fairly inconspicuous if Schilling has an OK year. It's a blatant conflict. Unless these clauses are disallowed, it's time for the BBWAA to give up the postseason awards.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/11/11/sorting_out_a_few_things_piece_by_piece/

Oblong
12-05-2007, 01:27 PM
What is the legal arrangement between the awards and MLB? I know it gets splashed across mlb.com when they are given out but are they officially sanctioned by MLB? Can MLB just come out with their own set?

I understand the concern but at the same time, I'm leery of a group of writers dictating something that can affect a player's contract.

jackbrohamer
12-05-2007, 05:37 PM
This (from this http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142555 story) is interesting; what a total idiot Schilling is:

Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling has a clause in his agreement for next year that would pay him $1 million if he receives even a single third-place vote for the Cy Young Award.
"The Schilling thing is disturbing because he doesn't even have to win," said O'Connell, noting that Schilling joked about a kickback to the voter if he collected the bonus. "That's something that none of us finds very funny."

BadBobbyJenks
12-06-2007, 12:11 AM
wow didnt know his clause was about ONE vote. But still they are blowing this out of proportion.

Nellie_Fox
12-06-2007, 01:23 AM
wow didnt know his clause was about ONE vote. But still they are blowing this out of proportion.No, I don't think they are. It raises way too many questions. Many newspapers already prohibit their writers from voting on any awards because it makes them part of the story instead of covering the story. This kind of thing will make everyone suspect writers of nefarious deeds.

Fenway
12-06-2007, 10:00 AM
Schilling explodes

The Schilling clause?? (http://38pitches.com/2007/12/05/the-schilling-clause/)

Dec 5th, 2007 by Curt Schilling (http://38pitches.com/author/cschilling/)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/12/06/award_incentives_are_voted_down/

"Give me a break," Schilling wrote on his website, 38pitches.com (http://38pitches.com/). "Don't get me wrong, 100k, 500k, 1 million dollars is a huge sum of money. But to think that these guys ever approached this as anything other than them being touted as the 'experts' on who wins what is crap. Add to that I seriously doubt anyone ever looked at this from a perception standpoint and thought wow, they are making this guy rich. I would disagree.
"The only step that hasn't happened yet is to stop them from voting on awards all together. They shouldn't do it. Any time someone is allowed to vote on this, on the Hall of Fame ballot, and that person injects personal bias into their vote, they should lose the [privilege]."

skottyj242
12-06-2007, 10:03 AM
Who cares about Schilling? It's not my money he's getting. All this does is show that his "hometown discount" he gave was all a sham.

asindc
12-06-2007, 11:42 AM
Schilling gets $1,000,000 next year if he gets ONE Cy Young vote

Dan Shaughnessy went nuts about it

Big Schill's disclosure that he gets $1 million for a single 2008 Cy Young vote might be the final straw in the old debate about baseball writers voting for postseason awards. I was aware of players having clauses for "winning" an award. But it would be costly and difficult to rig an entire election, so the conflict was less obvious. In this case, there are 28 baseball writers around the country who'll have Cy ballots (voters can put three names on the ballot, in descending order), and a third-place vote could be fairly inconspicuous if Schilling has an OK year. It's a blatant conflict. Unless these clauses are disallowed, it's time for the BBWAA to give up the postseason awards.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/11/11/sorting_out_a_few_things_piece_by_piece/

This is another example of Boston becoming Evil Empire, Jr. $1mil for ONE 3RD PLACE vote? That's insanity.

downstairs
12-06-2007, 12:26 PM
Of course it is important, and of course it is a good rule.

We all love to complain about media bias and the like. You want the media in the position to affect a player's salary?

And inscentives based on awards? That is just dumb. They're completely arbitrary. Base it on stats, sure. But awards from a third party source? Dumb.

D. TODD
12-06-2007, 12:29 PM
Good, all the awards are subjective anyway. They are good to debate and give props for, but contracts should not be based on them. Now wins, K's or other stats like that, okay.

Mohoney
12-07-2007, 02:50 AM
It's not like the BBWAA has any integrity left, anyway. Hell, Frodo Sullivan is the head of the Chicago chapter, and I'll bet anything that this worthless shill is going to vote Shammy into Cooperstown the first chance he gets. Remember, this guy publicly stated that he would refuse to vote for McGwire simply based on his testimony before Congress, but whenever Sosa's name comes up, Sullivan's response is "Well, he never tested positive." In my opinion, Sosa's testimony (or lack thereof) was just as incredulous as McGwire's was, and Sullivan and his ilk are complete turds that should never be taken seriously under any circumstances.

The only baseball clippings worth reading in this town are the box scores and extended stats on Sunday. Maybe things are different in other cities, but if the Chicago BBWAA is any indication, the body should disband as quickly as possible.