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ND_Sox_Fan
12-04-2007, 01:18 AM
12:43 a.m., from Steve Phillips
• Jose Guillen is close to signing with the Royals for three years and $36 million.

And the Rotoworld take,
The Royals are moving close to agreeing to a three-year deal with Jose Guillen worth $11 million-$12 million per season.
Sure, he's a cheater and an angry malcontent, but do you know how few right-handed power hitters are available right now? If Guillen plays right field, the Royals could put Mark Teahen at first base next year, leaving Billy Butler to DH.

Seems to be an absolute waste for a franchise where $12 million is the equivalent of 1/3 of the payroll.

Domeshot17
12-04-2007, 01:47 AM
wow 12 mil is just too much for him

RowanDye
12-04-2007, 09:51 AM
And the Rotoworld take,


Seems to be an absolute waste for a franchise where $12 million is the equivalent of 1/3 of the payroll.

I think this would definitely take them out of the Andruw Jones sweepstakes though.

Demand is slowly beginning to better match the supply of CFs.

Without a viable leadoff guy on the market, for the right price I still think Jones would look good in a White Sox uni next year.

ChiSoxPatF
12-04-2007, 10:30 AM
Sounds like when Detroit blew a ton of money on Irod. Its as much about spending the money on an attempt to at least APPEAR to try to compete as it is about actually competing.

This is a franchise that needs some sense of dignity - unfortunately, while signing a free agent is a good way of doing that, it isn't when you sign a cheater and a whiner who isn't even capable of carrying the franchise as your marquee signing.

I'm glad they're in our division, but its a sad testament to baseball when you have the disparity between teams like Kansas City and the Yankees/Red Sox.

RowanDye
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Sounds like when Detroit blew a ton of money on Irod. Its as much about spending the money on an attempt to at least APPEAR to try to compete as it is about actually competing.

This is a franchise that needs some sense of dignity - unfortunately, while signing a free agent is a good way of doing that, it isn't when you sign a cheater and a whiner who isn't even capable of carrying the franchise as your marquee signing.

I'm glad they're in our division, but its a sad testament to baseball when you have the disparity between teams like Kansas City and the Yankees/Red Sox.

Rodriguez is declining, but he has done pretty well for the Tigers. He doesn't walk, but he hits for average with some power and plays great defense. Everyone thought Detroit "blew" a lot of money on Maggs and Rodriguez, but they have both been major contributors to a team that has won 183 games over the past two years.

I wouldn't mind KW "blowing" some money on Gold Glovers or MVP candidates.

HomeFish
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Carlos Guillen used to be good, back when he was with the Angels and early on with the Tigers.

Is he bad now? I haven't been following him. The Carlos Guillen I remember was a player that we really could have used on this team.

Flight #24
12-04-2007, 11:06 AM
Just further evidence that the market continues to move upwards. $10-12M for Gary Matthews, $12M for Jose Guillen, $14M for Nancy Drew, $19M for Toriiiiii Hunter. The beat marches on.

Rowand will get his $12-14 and be worth it based on the current market. He'll probably take fewer years at a higher price or vice versa. The Sox should be making sure that they get either he or Fukudome.

RowanDye
12-04-2007, 11:07 AM
Carlos Guillen used to be good, back when he was with the Angels and early on with the Tigers.

Is he bad now? I haven't been following him. The Carlos Guillen I remember was a player that we really could have used on this team.

Teal?

Carlos Guillen still has a decent stick, but will likely play 1B for the Tiggers this year following their trade for Renteria.

All of that of course is completely irrelevant to this read, because we are talking about JOSE Guillen.

HomeFish
12-04-2007, 11:08 AM
OK, I can't read. Sorry. :redface:

soxfan21
12-04-2007, 11:13 AM
I agree with RowanDye about not minding if Kenny would blow some cash on other gold glovers, or MVP candidates. At least this would validate the hike in ticket prices this year.

Flight #24
12-04-2007, 12:16 PM
Interesting article from BP on the market for FAs.


Think about what we’re likely to see this week in Nashville, whether Santana reaches agreement on a new contract or not. Aaron Rowand (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/rowanaa01.shtml) and Andruw Jones (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/jonesan01.shtml) are out there. Carlos Silva and Kyle Lohse (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/lohseky01.shtml), the booby prizes in the market for starting pitching, are sorting through suitors. There are second- and third-tier free agents looking for work. When these players sign, all of their contracts are likely to seem like “bad” ones based on the pay scale that we, as fans, have in our heads. There’s no way Hunter can be worth $18 million a year, or Rowand $14 million a year, or Lohse $12 million a year, the same way that we looked at A.J. Burnett (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/burneaj01.shtml) at $11 million a year, or Gil Meche (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/mechegi01.shtml) at that same number, or Gary Matthews Jr. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/matthga02.shtml)’s $10 million AAV, and drew the same conclusions. A year or two later, those contracts have lost their ability to shock.
We’re in a new world. The baseball industry is growing revenues at such a pace that each new offseason is a market completely detached from the previous one.
...
The teams have $540 million burning a hole in their pocket. They’re going to spend it, because that’s what teams do, and if they can’t use it to buy Albert Pujols (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/pujolal01.shtml) or David Ortiz (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/ortizda01.shtml) or Justin Verlander (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/verlaju01.shtml) or David Wright (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/wrighda03.shtml)—those guys have contracts or are otherwise prevented from making market salaries—they’ll squint and tell themselves that Lohse is a late bloomer, and that their team’s defense can make Silva a 20-game winner, and that Rowand’s off-field contributions justify paying $84 million for his decline phase.
...
The most valuable properties in baseball are true superstars. They cannot be replaced at any price, and as more teams realize this and prevent theirs from hitting the market—Jake Peavy (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/peavyja01.shtml), to name one example, will sign a pre-free agency contract as soon as this week—the gap between the players who do become available and the true superstars grows, and the desperation of the teams who lack these talents to buy facsimiles grows, and the free agent market goes from a tool to a trap.
Some thought we got there in 1978, of course. They were wrong. As revenues increase and every team in baseball is able retain its very best players, however, the caliber of each free agent pool will continue to decrease. The players who hit the market will all have flaws, all be bad buys, all be money sinks. Maybe this winter isn’t the turning point, but the trends are clear, and a future in which good free agent buys are not just rare, they’re nonexistent.


That last part is especially interesting. The value of young talent, especially young superstars is skyrocketing. Which is why if you can turn a star (Konerko) and a couple of hot young prospects (Fields, Gio) for a young superstar that's probably going to be a good move. You can go to the market and get a guy who'll contribute similarly to a Konerko (so Rowand/Jones may not hit as well but factoring in speed/D, they'll be similarly valuable). But you can't get a star - as we're seeing with Santana, those guys will generally get dealt if they're not resigned and the team trading for them will do so with the knowledge of what it'll take to resign them before they hit the market.

TheVulture
12-04-2007, 03:30 PM
Sounds like when Detroit blew a ton of money on Irod. Its as much about spending the money on an attempt to at least APPEAR to try to compete as it is about actually competing.


Yeah, that was obviously a horrible strategy.

I guess we might as well tack on another 1-2 mil to Rowand's going rate in this market.

pdimas
12-05-2007, 04:10 PM
...and now Jose Guillen is about to be suspended for steroids and HGH....
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142696
Better get that deal done before the Royals find out.....

thomas35forever
12-05-2007, 05:57 PM
...and now Jose Guillen is about to be suspended for steroids and HGH....
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142696
Better get that deal done before the Royals find out.....
Unbelievable. First they're interested in Sosa, and now this? Maybe we could be worse off.