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Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:05 PM
I have learn from a source in the D Back office that Carlos is going to be traded to the Sox

JohnTucker0814
12-03-2007, 01:06 PM
link? Did your source tell you who we trade?

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:06 PM
link? Did your source tell you who we trade?

it will be a minor leaguer I believe from double A

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:08 PM
It would be an interesting move. His minor league numbers are impressive (312/427/526 in 1337 minor league ABs) and he's only 25. Hopefully if this is true we aren't giving up too much though.

oeo
12-03-2007, 01:08 PM
I have learn from a source in the D Back office that Carlos is going to be traded to the Sox

You do know that you will be forever mocked if this isn't true...

JohnTucker0814
12-03-2007, 01:09 PM
Obviously as long as it's not Gio... i love this trade!

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:10 PM
You do know that you will be forever mocked if this isn't true...


I know but I trust this source alot and he is high up in the D backs organzation...

Flight #24
12-03-2007, 01:11 PM
Interesting. Rotoworld reports that he had shoulder surgery 10/12 and may miss part of ST. He's also called a "worthy piece" in a potential AZ trade for Garland as recently as July.

Hopefully it's not for a GIO/DLS type of kid, esp given the injury and the fac tthat he underwhelmed last year. I'd do a Russell-type of swap or if we got lucky, Sisco.

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:13 PM
MLB TV is also reporting about Quentin coming to the Sox

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:13 PM
it will be a minor leaguer I believe from double A
The next piece of news from the White Sox will be the demotion of Juan Uribe to AA.

Rocky Soprano
12-03-2007, 01:15 PM
I like Quentin so depending on who we gave up, I really like this move.

ilsox7
12-03-2007, 01:16 PM
According to MLB Radio (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/radio/index.jsp), the D’Backs will soon announce that they have traded OF Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for 20–year-old 1B Chris Carter.

Source: Blog (http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/news-dbacks-to-trade-quentin-to-white-sox/)

JohnTucker0814
12-03-2007, 01:16 PM
According to MLB Radio (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/radio/index.jsp), the D’Backs will soon announce that they have traded OF Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for 20–year-old 1B Chris Carter.

Why are we giving the DBacks our only good position prospects... ugh!

...
12-03-2007, 01:17 PM
According to MLB Radio (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/radio/index.jsp), the D’Backs will soon announce that they have traded OF Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for 20–year-old 1B Chris Carter.

You've gotta be ****ing me

HawkDJ
12-03-2007, 01:19 PM
Rotoworld's take on the trade:

We hope the Diamondbacks are getting a quality pitching prospect in return as well. Quentin's stock is down, especially following shoulder surgery, but he's still a fine bet to have a long career as a regular corner outfielder. Carter, who shares the same name as the first baseman the Diamondbacks traded to Boston in the three-team Wily Mo Pena deal, hit .291/.383/.522 as a 20-year-old in low-A ball last season.

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:20 PM
I like this trade much less than I did 10 minutes ago. I guess they figure that between Konerko, Thome, Dye, and possibly even Fields one day that 1B is just going to be logjammed forever.

ilsox7
12-03-2007, 01:21 PM
I like this trade much less than I did 10 minutes ago. I guess they figure that between Konerko, Thome, Dye, and possibly even Fields one day that 1B is just going to be logjammed forever.

That and the guy is a low-A ball prospect. That means he's what, at least 3-4 years away from the Bigs if he even makes it? I'll reserve judgment until it is official, but it sounds good to me so far.

joebro25
12-03-2007, 01:22 PM
I don't like it, if this guy is going to be our LF, we have to go out and get a big time CF.

eastchicagosoxfan
12-03-2007, 01:23 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/q/quentca01.shtml

Here are Quentin's stats above.
Carter's stats are below.

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=2387

:popcorn: I'll watch the debate unfold. One guy is ready. One guy is 4+ years away.

Hitmen77
12-03-2007, 01:23 PM
If this deal is confirmed, where does Quentin fit in with the Sox plans for 2008? Are they hoping he becomes our starting LF while they still pursue an answer to CF this offseason?

It sounds like Quentin is expected to be sidelined through the end of spring training due to his surgery. So, he wouldn't be ready for opening day.

...
12-03-2007, 01:23 PM
So where exactly does Quentin fit in the field and in the batting order? RF is filled and he does not really possess the ideal speed to lead off. Or does he?

ilsox7
12-03-2007, 01:23 PM
I don't like it, if this guy is going to be our LF, we have to go out and get a big time CF.

If they do pencil him in as an opening day starter, I completely agree. If Owens is the 4th OF, that works for me, as long as we have solid defense and good offensive production from CF.

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:24 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/q/quentca01.shtml

Here are Quentin's stats above.
Carter's stats are below.

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=2387

:popcorn: I'll watch the debate unfold. One guy is ready. One guy is 4+ years away.
I worry when a team trades away a young player after an injury. Makes me wonder what they've seen that has them ready to dump such a good prospect for a player who, though he does have tons of potential, is an A-ball guy.

Tekijawa
12-03-2007, 01:25 PM
Plan 1C Complete!

DumpJerry
12-03-2007, 01:27 PM
I'm running out right now to get my lawn chair set up on LaSalle Street.

JohnTucker0814
12-03-2007, 01:28 PM
btw... which shoulder had surgery? Was it his throwing arm? I would be a heck of a lot more concerned if this was the case...

voodoochile
12-03-2007, 01:28 PM
Anyone with a link to more information regarding Carlos' stats and scouting info would be appreciated...

Edit: Nevermind, posted while I was typing...

fquaye149
12-03-2007, 01:32 PM
So where exactly does Quentin fit in the field and in the batting order? RF is filled and he does not really possess the ideal speed to lead off. Or does he?


Ideally we will get a CF who can conceivably lead off (Coco Crisp...:?:)

Or maybe he'll be trade bait for a team looking for a right fielder

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Hey do I get anything for breaking the news before Bruce Levine lol

PorkChopExpress
12-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Or maybe he'll be trade bait for a team looking for a right fielder

This could be a possibility. But I like Quentin if we hold on to him, too.

oeo
12-03-2007, 01:34 PM
So where exactly does Quentin fit in the field and in the batting order? RF is filled and he does not really possess the ideal speed to lead off. Or does he?

He doesn't steal many bases, so I'm going to say no.

I guess for those of you that are crazy about OBP, Quentin will help that down the road. But to me, he sounds like a slower, less powerful version of Ryan Sweeney.

Mr. White Sox
12-03-2007, 01:36 PM
Are any other sources reporting this so far, or is it just Bruce and "mlb radio"/Rotoworld?

MCHSoxFan
12-03-2007, 01:38 PM
Are any other sources reporting this so far, or is it just Bruce and "mlb radio"/Rotoworld?

I just checked whitesox.com. NO WORD FROM THEM. :?:

...
12-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Hey do I get anything for breaking the news before Bruce Levine lol

:highfive:

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:41 PM
Are any other sources reporting this so far, or is it just Bruce and "mlb radio"/Rotoworld?


According to my source its a done deal and will be reportely soon by the teams

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:41 PM
He doesn't steal many bases, so I'm going to say no.

I guess for those of you that are crazy about OBP, Quentin will help that down the road. But to me, he sounds like a slower, less powerful version of Ryan Sweeney.
I'm sorry, but that last statement just makes little sense.

Sweeney's minor league numbers:
1891 AB, 91 2B, 33HR, 32 SB, .401 SLG, (21 AB/2B, 57 AB/HR, 16 G/SB)

Quentin's minor league numbers:
1337 AB, 103 2B, 55HR, 19 SB, .526 SLG (13 AB/2B, 24 AB/HR, 20G/SB)

CHISOXFAN13
12-03-2007, 01:42 PM
I just checked whitesox.com. NO WORD FROM THEM. :?:

Can we stop with the needing 15 sources before we believe it? I find it hard to believe that Rockabilly, Levine and Rotoworld would make up a deal like this one.

fquaye149
12-03-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm sorry, but that last statement just makes little sense.

Sweeney's minor league numbers:
1891 AB, 91 2B, 33HR, 32 SB, .401 SLG, (21 AB/2B, 57 AB/HR, 16 G/SB)

Quentin's minor league numbers:
1337 AB, 103 2B, 55HR, 19 SB, .526 SLG (13 AB/2B, 24 AB/HR, 20G/SB)


BUT SWEENEY ONCE HIT A HR OFF BARTOLO COLON IN SPRING TRAINING

Chicken Dinner
12-03-2007, 01:45 PM
The Knights need outfield help too. :?:

oeo
12-03-2007, 01:45 PM
I'm sorry, but that last statement just makes little sense.

Sweeney's minor league numbers:
1891 AB, 91 2B, 33HR, 32 SB, .401 SLG, (21 AB/2B, 57 AB/HR, 16 G/SB)

Quentin's minor league numbers:
1337 AB, 103 2B, 55HR, 19 SB, .526 SLG (13 AB/2B, 24 AB/HR, 20G/SB)

My mistake. I guess I should look at career numbers. :tongue:

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:45 PM
I just checked whitesox.com. NO WORD FROM THEM. :?:
NASHVILLE -- The D-backs are close to finalizing a deal that would send outfielder Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for Minor League first baseman Chris Carter, an industry source said Monday. The deal is expected to be announced Monday afternoon.

Carter, who will turn 21 later this month, was ranked among the White Sox top 10 prospects by Baseball America. A 15th-round pick by Chicago in the 2005 First-Year Player Draft, he has tremendous power and a good idea of the strike zone.
Last year with Kannapolis of the Class A South Atlantic League, Carter hit .291 with 25 homers and 93 RBIs. He drew 67 walks, which led to a .383 on-base percentage, and he slugged .522. With the tremendous power also comes strikeouts. Carter fanned 112 times in 467 at-bats.

from MLB.com

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:47 PM
NASHVILLE -- The D-backs are close to finalizing a deal that would send outfielder Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for Minor League first baseman Chris Carter, an industry source said Monday. The deal is expected to be announced Monday afternoon.

Carter, who will turn 21 later this month, was ranked among the White Sox top 10 prospects by Baseball America. A 15th-round pick by Chicago in the 2005 First-Year Player Draft, he has tremendous power and a good idea of the strike zone.
Last year with Kannapolis of the Class A South Atlantic League, Carter hit .291 with 25 homers and 93 RBIs. He drew 67 walks, which led to a .383 on-base percentage, and he slugged .522. With the tremendous power also comes strikeouts. Carter fanned 112 times in 467 at-bats.

from MLB.com
Congratulations. You have just broken one more trade than Otis ever has :tongue:

Mr. White Sox
12-03-2007, 01:47 PM
mlb.com is a reputable-enough source; that almost confirms it. The reason why I asked is more because of the many other deals similar to this that were "all but finalized" only to later be debunked as rumor. This one is legit, though.

soxfan43
12-03-2007, 01:49 PM
For those of you looking for a behind the scenes look at this Quentin kid, if you get the HDTV or I think it's MOJO now channel they have a program called the Show. It follows several D-Backs prospects a couple seasons ago at AAA. Chris young, quentin, and a couple other guys are featured on it.

The Immigrant
12-03-2007, 01:50 PM
I like this move...a lot. Quentin is an intriguing OF prospect whose .346 OBP in 2006 would stand out on the Sox and his slugging numbers in AAA are promising. We need young players to build into our everyday lineup, and this guy could be a cheap, productive LF for the next 5-6 years.

Flight #24
12-03-2007, 01:50 PM
FWLIW, rotoworld history says that this injury was something small that happened in March of last year. He sat out a bit and then played through it. Sounds like a "cleanup" type of procedure that just happens to be occurring now. He even said in July that "I'll probably get it taken care of after the season".

oeo
12-03-2007, 01:52 PM
I worry when a team trades away a young player after an injury. Makes me wonder what they've seen that has them ready to dump such a good prospect for a player who, though he does have tons of potential, is an A-ball guy.

Quentin is expendable, like Richar was. They have a logjam in the outfield with Young, Upton, and now Byrnes locked up long term.

spiffie
12-03-2007, 01:54 PM
Quentin is expendable, like Richar was. They have a logjam in the outfield with Young, Upton, and now Byrnes locked up long term.
Fair enough thinking. And I guess if you assume Carter was not likely to get a shot at 1B anytime soon that its a decent enough tradeoff.

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 01:58 PM
With Quentin playing LF who is going to be our leadoff hitter if we get Rowand to play CF..

Domeshot17
12-03-2007, 01:58 PM
I like this trade

but I like it a lot more

If Quentin is packaged with a few others for Miguel Cabrera!

oeo
12-03-2007, 02:00 PM
With Quentin playing LF who is going to be our leadoff hitter if we get Rowand to play CF..

Well, I think this pretty much knocks Rowand/Jones out of the debate. One position to fill and it has to be leadoff (unless we find a leadoff hitter at 2B).

I'll cry if it's Crisp or Owens. And I have this weird feeling that it won't even be the former, but the latter. :whiner:

JohnTucker0814
12-03-2007, 02:01 PM
With Quentin playing LF who is going to be our leadoff hitter if we get Rowand to play CF..

Thome!

JohnTucker0814
12-03-2007, 02:03 PM
maybe this means Dye moves to 1st and Konerko is on his way to Anaheim... who knows... hopefully there is more to come this week..

JRIG
12-03-2007, 02:04 PM
I like this deal a lot. You get a guy who's never OBP'd less than .422 in the minors and has power to back that up as well. He's ready to contribute now and could very well be the starting LF in '08. Plus he plays a defensive position that is tougher to fill than 1B.

Thumbs up on this one, KW.

BainesHOF
12-03-2007, 02:05 PM
Got outfielder Carlos Quentin from the Diamondbacks in exchange for Class A first baseman Chris Carter.

Sargeant79
12-03-2007, 02:05 PM
Where does everyone keep getting this Dye to 1B stuff? It's been said on here for over a year now. He's not a first baseman. If he gets moved anywhere, it would likely be to LF or eventually to DH. Fields is more likely to be moved to 1B than Dye.

btrain929
12-03-2007, 02:06 PM
How's Quentin's D/arm???

Domeshot17
12-03-2007, 02:07 PM
Where does everyone keep getting this Dye to 1B stuff? It's been said on here for over a year now. He's not a first baseman. If he gets moved anywhere, it would likely be to LF or eventually to DH. Fields is more likely to be moved to 1B than Dye.

He played first in a pinch there in 2005. After that people clamored for him to replace Konerko. I guess I didn't get a taste of the kool aid but it still blows my mind. I don't think 1/2 of sox fans realize how lucky we are to have a defensive 1b like Konerko.

CLR01
12-03-2007, 02:07 PM
Got outfielder Carlos Quentin from the Diamondbacks in exchange for Class A first baseman Chris Carter.

You don't say!!! Source? :rolleyes:

soxwon
12-03-2007, 02:10 PM
link? Did your source tell you who we trade?

christopher carter- one of our better prospects

infohawk
12-03-2007, 02:13 PM
I like this move. Quentin hits for a decent average, has some power, takes some walks and, more importantly, doesnt strike out a ton. Not to mention he is young and cheap. He runs o.k., but is not considered a speed threat by any stretch. He has had Tommy John surgery in the past. This looks to be one of those "helps us now and helps us later" moves.

goon
12-03-2007, 02:13 PM
I wonder if the Sox made this acquisition so they can put him in a package for another trade. If the Sox are going to keep him, I think it's an alright trade. There are certain qualities that he has that compliment the team, even though Carter looked pretty impressive out of the gate last season at Kannapolis.

Foulke You
12-03-2007, 02:16 PM
I'm hoping this is one of those deals we'll look back on as a steal for the Sox. I like what I've read about Carlos Quentin's offensive ablities. Does anyone know anything about Quentin's defensive ability? Like everyone else though, I wonder if this is a move to replenish the farm system or is this a move for 2008? Perhaps it is a fallback move.

Pequod
12-03-2007, 02:18 PM
Per whitesox.com: Heath Phillips was DFA'd to make room for Quentin.

soxfan123
12-03-2007, 02:18 PM
Would Quentin ever be considered for CF? It seems http://southsidesox.com/ thinks so:

" We got our CF and I'm not mad at all!"

I would hope that he is not our CF. Coco Crisp/someone else that can lead off should be the CF. I LOVE THIS TRADE THOUGH. It gives us more big-league ready talent, and much needed OBP. I think Kenny can breathe a little easier now.

D. TODD
12-03-2007, 02:18 PM
Not much not to like about this move at this point. Carter may be good down the road, but a MLB ready outfielder prospect with the upside of Carlos Q. is a big addition. Kenny will be a very busy man in Nashville and I think this move is a good start.:D:

KRS1
12-03-2007, 02:20 PM
Anyone with a link to more information regarding Carlos' stats and scouting info would be appreciated...

Edit: Nevermind, posted while I was typing...

Anything you want to know as far as scouting, let me know. I see the Dbacks play a lot in person, and they are easily my second most watched team. I also saw Carlos play in Tucson in 05' a handful of times, and he was definitely one of those "turn your head" players that commanded attention because of the scouts high regard for him, and just how good he was. I'll give a bit of a scouting report right now.

He is built like a tank, very muscular.

Has very quick hands through the zone(awesome bat speed), and a reasonably compact swing. However, he has a problem keeping on(or laying off of) the low outside breaking balls. He can get a little out front and loopy with his swing on those ones, but otherwise he stays inside the ball nicely.

Great plate discipline, walking as much as he K'd in the minors, but as expected he lost a bit of that against big league pitchers. Hopefully, with time, he can readjust and get back to the comfort level he had in the minors and lay off the pitches that are giving him trouble from seasoned vets.

Good but not great speed-- more than adequate for the corners, not enough for CF. When seeing him field the first thing I noticed was he was much faster than I expected though.

The injury was to his left(non-throwing) shoulders labrum and RC. It was reported as just a small tear, that he tried to rehab through and it got worse. He has a strong throwing arm, which he had TJ surgery on a few years ago, and it just started to look real good again before he went down with injury. Probably be our best arm in the OF, but not nearly as consistently accurate as Dye's.


I love Carter, and with some questions surrounding Carlos' shoulder it makes it a bit of a gamble. However, if Carlos were healthy I have a hard time believing we could get him straight-up for Chris at this point, so it is a gamble worth taking IMO. As has been said, he is ready to go this year, and Chris will take some more seasoning. I feel good about this deal knowing the huge potential Carlos has.

Sargeant79
12-03-2007, 02:20 PM
Per whitesox.com: Heath Phillips was DFA'd to make room for Quentin.

That's surprising.

salty99
12-03-2007, 02:21 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20071203&content_id=2315912&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

nccwsfan
12-03-2007, 02:21 PM
This is an upgrade in our lineup- if his OBP numbers can remain at the current levels he'll be able to contribute in 08' and beyond. Plus they still have $$$ available if needed to fill the holes (bullpen, starter, etc).

Good trade Kenny.

Walkman
12-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Love the move. Seems like Q plays good D too.

So who's gone now, Fields or Crede?

champagne030
12-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Per whitesox.com: Heath Phillips was DFA'd to make room for Quentin.

Can't be true. Fenway posted the musings of some Boston hack who said we were going to deal another starter because Phillips was ready for the rotation.

sox1970
12-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Per whitesox.com: Heath Phillips was DFA'd to make room for Quentin.

I think they'll still be able to make a trade for Phillips in the next 10 days.

D. TODD
12-03-2007, 02:22 PM
I'm hoping this is one of those deals we'll look back on as a steal for the Sox. I like what I've read about Carlos Quentin's offensive ablities. Does anyone know anything about Quentin's defensive ability? Like everyone else though, I wonder if this is a move to replenish the farm system or is this a move for 2008? Perhaps it is a fallback move. He is suppose to be a plus defender at either corner outfield position, all around talent a plus defensively, but that was before he had the arm injury so I'm not sure how that will affect his defensive status overall for now. I see from a recent post that the recent arm injury was not his throwing arm.

mjmcend
12-03-2007, 02:23 PM
This was a good trade to fill a hole. I'm not big on cheerleading, but good job Kenny.

btrain929
12-03-2007, 02:23 PM
I like this move. Quentin hits for a decent average, has some power, takes some walks and, more importantly, doesnt strike out a ton. Not to mention he is young and cheap. He runs o.k., but is not considered a speed threat by any stretch. He has had Tommy John surgery in the past. This looks to be one of those "helps us now and helps us later" moves.

Absolutely. Can't ask more than that. We filled an OF position without trading any of our top pitching prospects or spending millions of dollars. Carter was a strong talent, but he wasn't going to help us in the next 3-4 years. I like it.

Dolanski
12-03-2007, 02:26 PM
Wow, this here intarweb moves fast. Trade was first reported at noon, and in an hour and a half, wikipedia already has him on our team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Quentin

Bucky F. Dent
12-03-2007, 02:27 PM
So, is the expectation that this kid will be starting in '08, or is this a down the road type of a deal?

the1tab
12-03-2007, 02:28 PM
ESPN 1000's Bruce LevineLine is reporting this too (which means it must have been true for days). They also said that Quentin was ranked by Baseball America as the #20 prospect in all of baseball and has the best arm in the Arizona system.

I like the move... but coming off shoulder surgery w/ very little major league experience, this deal smells more like a rebuilding effort than a win in 2008 move. I LOVE the thought of this kid next to Owens in our OF... in 2010. But what does that mean to us this coming season???

santo=dorf
12-03-2007, 02:28 PM
Hey do I get anything for breaking the news before Bruce Levine lol
I think the majority of WSI is willing to accept that your D'Backs source is better than Otis' Red Sox source. :wink:

gogosox16
12-03-2007, 02:29 PM
So, is the expectation that this kid will be starting in '08, or is this a down the road type of a deal?
Should be our starting left fielder for next year. I like

Dolanski
12-03-2007, 02:30 PM
I have a feeling this is a guy Kenny may have had his eyes on for awhile. He is a fellow Stanford alum

KRS1
12-03-2007, 02:30 PM
How's Quentin's D/arm???

Gets good reads and jumps on balls. Plays well near the wall. His arm was a bit weakened following the TJ surgery, but as I said in my other post, this season you could see he was really getting some much stronger throws off. He does have a tendency to let go some pretty poor throws too, but that is not on his arm strength, just some bad technique at times.

oeo
12-03-2007, 02:30 PM
I don't know that Quentin is in the immediate plans for 2008. He had surgery in October and it's supposedly a 6 month recovery. Which means that we will not see how he does in Spring Training, and may not even see him until midseason (depending on how his rehab assignment goes). There's still a lot of work to be done...

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 02:34 PM
ESPN 1000's Bruce LevineLine is reporting this too (which means it must have been true for days). They also said that Quentin was ranked by Baseball America as the #20 prospect in all of baseball and has the best arm in the Arizona system.

I like the move... but coming off shoulder surgery w/ very little major league experience, this deal smells more like a rebuilding effort than a win in 2008 move. I LOVE the thought of this kid next to Owens in our OF... in 2010. But what does that mean to us this coming season???
If he is healthy for opening day I expect 25-30 hrs, 80-90 RBI's and like a .270 average. Personally I see him comparable to Crede.

Bucky F. Dent
12-03-2007, 02:34 PM
So, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly (and I hate tea) Owens is your starting centerfielder, either Crede or Fields will be dealt to bring in more pitching (depending on who brings more in return), and if KW can play the jedi mind trick on one of his colleagues in Nashville, Uribe is dealt for arms as well.

tstrike2000
12-03-2007, 02:35 PM
I like this move, too. He's a very solid prospect and has a chance to be a stud when I read about him in the Sporting News prospect list last spring.

skottyj242
12-03-2007, 02:37 PM
I like it but I hope this isn't the big news we all have been waiting for.

Corlose 15
12-03-2007, 02:38 PM
So, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly (and I hate tea) Owens is your starting centerfielder, either Crede or Fields will be dealt to bring in more pitching (depending on who brings more in return), and if KW can play the jedi mind trick on one of his colleagues in Nashville, Uribe is dealt for arms as well.

With the reports that extension talks with Crede did not go well and he wants to test free agency, you've gotta believe that he is the one to go.

If they trade Fields they could be looking for a 3B in 2 years.

JRIG
12-03-2007, 02:38 PM
If he is healthy for opening day I expect 25-30 hrs, 80-90 RBI's and like a .270 average. Personally I see him comparable to Crede.

With an OBP about 100 points higher....

palehozenychicty
12-03-2007, 02:39 PM
So, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly (and I hate tea) Owens is your starting centerfielder, either Crede or Fields will be dealt to bring in more pitching (depending on who brings more in return), and if KW can play the jedi mind trick on one of his colleagues in Nashville, Uribe is dealt for arms as well.


I hope not, unless it's some real good, like Bedard.

Fantosme
12-03-2007, 02:43 PM
So, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly (and I hate tea) Owens is your starting centerfielder, either Crede or Fields will be dealt to bring in more pitching (depending on who brings more in return), and if KW can play the jedi mind trick on one of his colleagues in Nashville, Uribe is dealt for arms as well.

The Sox supposedly have $15-$20 million to spend, so I do not see Owens remaining the CF.

DSpivack
12-03-2007, 02:46 PM
Isn't this the 2nd time the Sox have traded a prospect named Chris Carter to Arizona?

JermaineDye05
12-03-2007, 02:50 PM
Isn't this the 2nd time the Sox have traded a prospect named Chris Carter to Arizona?

I don't know about that. I do know they traded a nice centerfield prospect by the name of Chris Young to the D-Backs.

Jjav829
12-03-2007, 02:54 PM
Interesting move. I wonder what KW's intentions are here. Is he acquiring Quentin to move him in another deal? Is he simply trying to buy low on a guy whose stock has fallen? Is his plan to have Quentin be a regular in 2008? I guess we'll see as the offseason progresses. I certainly like the addition.

btrain929
12-03-2007, 02:54 PM
If he is healthy for opening day I expect 25-30 hrs, 80-90 RBI's and like a .270 average. Personally I see him comparable to Crede.

You would project him for that much power? That'd be lovely, but I thought more of a .275/18/85-90/.360 clip. Either way, I won't complain.

soxfan43
12-03-2007, 03:02 PM
Maybe they picked Quentin to replace Sweeney, if he goes in a trade. I've seen him named in a couple of rumors this winter, so who knows.

Tragg
12-03-2007, 03:08 PM
This is an upgrade in our lineup- if his OBP numbers can remain at the current levels he'll be able to contribute in 08' and beyond.
??
His OBP was .298 last year.

Who did we give up for him?

CHISOXFAN13
12-03-2007, 03:11 PM
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His OBP was .298 last year.

Who did we give up for him?

He was hurt last year. I'll cut hom some slack.

Flight #24
12-03-2007, 03:11 PM
I like this move more and more. Not because I'm down on Carter, but because I've heard good things about Quentin for a year or 2 now. IMO given the levels they're at, I think they're equivalent, but Quentin fits the Sox timeline better in terms of contributing now.

Having DFA'd Phillips, they have 10 days to trade/release him. I thought he had some decent value, so does this mean they have another deal lined up?
Uribe+Phillips for ????? Cabrera?

They now have a solid, cheap LF solution. That means you'd ideally find a CF/leadoff guy and they have $$$ to do that with (Crede+???for Figgins?). Or you let Cabrera lead off and sign Rowand/Jones for that extra $$$.

cws05champ
12-03-2007, 03:15 PM
I like this move... Hate to give up Carter(hope he doesn't turn into a Konerko type), but this helps us now.

nccwsfan
12-03-2007, 03:16 PM
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His OBP was .298 last year.

Who did we give up for him?

Minor league prospect Chris Carter (1B). Quentin's minor league OBP was .427 and .342 in 06', which is what I was referring to. Injuries more than likely affected his 07' numbers.

PatK
12-03-2007, 03:22 PM
I'd like this except for Phillips being DFA'd.

Dolanski
12-03-2007, 03:24 PM
Having DFA'd Phillips, they have 10 days to trade/release him. I thought he had some decent value, so does this mean they have another deal lined up?
Uribe+Phillips for ????? Cabrera?


Sorry, but two turds are not going to get you a rolls royce.

Flight #24
12-03-2007, 03:25 PM
Sorry, but two turds are not going to get you a rolls royce.

Apparently your monitor does not display teal well.

HawkDJ
12-03-2007, 03:29 PM
Another rotoworld take:

A great gamble for the White Sox here. Quentin is questionable for Opening Day following October surgery to repair the rotator cuff and labrum in his left (non-throwing) shoulder, but he should be the team's regular left fielder once he proves he's all the way back. Actually, he should play right over Jermaine Dye, but that probably won't happen. Quentin is a very good defender in a corner still capable of turning in some 25-homer seasons in the majors. His acquisition makes it more likely that Josh Fields will be the White Sox's third baseman next year, with Joe Crede getting either traded or non-tendered.

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 03:29 PM
According to the radio the best offer for Andruw Jones is currently 2/32 from the Dodgers. If we were to offer him 5/90 could Carbrera leadoff? Use Crede and Uribe to sure up bench questions and bullpen. Uribe for another bullpen arm/prospect/Prior. Crede for Gordon?

NardiWasHere
12-03-2007, 03:30 PM
I'd like this except for Phillips being DFA'd.

I don't get it. Why do this? I would have thought he had decent trade value, now don't the Sox lose leverage if they want to deal him now?

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 03:31 PM
I don't get it. Why do this? I would have thought he had decent trade value, now don't the Sox lose leverage if they want to deal him now?
Possibly could indicate another move on the horizon with Phillips being part of it.

NardiWasHere
12-03-2007, 03:33 PM
Possibly could indicate another move on the horizon with Phillips being part of it.

Why wouldn't that team just wait 10 days to sign him without giving up talent to aquire him?

Hagan
12-03-2007, 03:35 PM
Isn't this the 2nd time the Sox have traded a prospect named Chris Carter to Arizona?

I believe that the diamondbacks traded another chris carter who also plays first to the red sox.

Hokiesox
12-03-2007, 03:35 PM
The Sox supposedly have $15-$20 million to spend, so I do not see Owens remaining the CF.

Doesn't mean they need to spend that money now.

Can't say I'm thrilled with Owens in CF though, I hope you're right.

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 03:42 PM
Why wouldn't that team just wait 10 days to sign him without giving up talent to aquire him?
Well i'm assuming this deal would be on the verge of being finalized but the move only be done to immediately open a spot.

GoSox2K3
12-03-2007, 03:42 PM
According to the radio the best offer for Andruw Jones is currently 2/32 from the Dodgers. If we were to offer him 5/90 could Carbrera leadoff? Use Crede and Uribe to sure up bench questions and bullpen. Uribe for another bullpen arm/prospect/Prior. Crede for Gordon?

:?:
So, the best offer for Jones right now is 2/32 and you think the Sox should come in with a 5/90 offer?

....and why is Prior in deep pink? But hey, just as long as Rowand is KW's plan Z.

spiffie
12-03-2007, 03:43 PM
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His OBP was .298 last year.

Who did we give up for him?
He was injured and facing MLB pitching for nearly the first time. His minor league numbers show him with an OBP over 100 pts higher than his BA, with a nearly 1:1 K/BB ratio. Also in 2006 he posted a 342 OBP in the majors even though he only hit 253. He's going to put up good OBP numbers once he adjusts to major league pitching.

KyWhiSoxFan
12-03-2007, 03:44 PM
I'm not sure why this trade is so universally liked. Yes, Carlos Quentin is closer to the majors than Chris Carter, but Quentin batted .214 last year in 81 games. (I suppose that average puts him right at home with the Sox of last year.) In exactly half a season, he drove in 31 runs and hit 5 HRs. I'll give him some slack in that his injury may have affected him, but how much?

It's not that I hate giving up Carter and his potential, it's that Quentin does not appear to be ready to step in and play immediately. At best, he's the fourth outfielder. If he's the starting LF, I'm really worried.

esbrechtel
12-03-2007, 03:46 PM
I don't know anything about him....I will wait to pass judgement later, I am still wondering where our leadoff hitter is going to come from (just say no to coco....)

SABRSox
12-03-2007, 03:46 PM
I'm not sure why this trade is so universally liked. Yes, Carlos Quentin is closer to the majors than Chris Carter, but Quentin batted .214 last year in 81 games. (I suppose that average puts him right at home with the Sox of last year.) In exactly half a season, he drove in 31 runs and hit 5 HRs. I'll give him some slack in that his injury may have affected him, but how much?

It's not that I hate giving up Carter and his potential, it's that Quentin does not appear to be ready to step in and play immediately. At best, he's the fourth outfielder. If he's the starting LF, I'm really worried.

Shoulder problems last year, so you can't take anything from his 2007. Before 2007, he's been very solid and consistent, and he fills a need for the Sox, where Carter is part of a logjam at 1st.

Flight #24
12-03-2007, 03:51 PM
I'm not sure why this trade is so universally liked. Yes, Carlos Quentin is closer to the majors than Chris Carter, but Quentin batted .214 last year in 81 games. (I suppose that average puts him right at home with the Sox of last year.) In exactly half a season, he drove in 31 runs and hit 5 HRs. I'll give him some slack in that his injury may have affected him, but how much?

It's not that I hate giving up Carter and his potential, it's that Quentin does not appear to be ready to step in and play immediately. At best, he's the fourth outfielder. If he's the starting LF, I'm really worried.

He was diagnosed in March with a torn labrum, but played through it. The main concern IMO is that he had both that and leg/hammy problems last year. After the Pods/Erstad experience I'm a bit gunshy about potential injury prone guys.

But he's almost universally well thought of by both scouts and statheads. That doesn't mean he'll pan out, but it's about as good as you can do when making this kind of deal.

salty99
12-03-2007, 03:53 PM
He was diagnosed in March with a torn labrum, but played through it. .

Carlos Quentin meet Toby Hall!

PorkChopExpress
12-03-2007, 04:10 PM
Why wouldn't that team just wait 10 days to sign him without giving up talent to aquire him?

To ensure you get him other than someone else who might step in and offer something.:dunno:

chisox77
12-03-2007, 04:13 PM
Just from what I've read and heard, the deal seems good to me. If he is ready to contribute in 2008, it's a great deal. But we'll see what happens next . . .


:cool:

thomas35forever
12-03-2007, 04:15 PM
Hopefully, he'll stay injury-free this year. If so, he could be one of the best young leftfielders in the game.

whitesoxfan
12-03-2007, 04:18 PM
Looks like a good deal for us. This guy was an OBP monster in the minors.

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 04:34 PM
I don't know anything about him....I will wait to pass judgement later, I am still wondering where our leadoff hitter is going to come from (just say no to coco....)
Cabrera could leadoff if needed.

Rockin Robin
12-03-2007, 04:34 PM
I like the risk, but man...Carter's #'s looked real nice.

I know it's A-ball, but still. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite us.

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 04:38 PM
I like the risk, but man...Carter's #'s looked real nice.

I know it's A-ball, but still. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite us.
Lets say it does come back to haunt us it won't be until at least 2011. I could live with that. Especially if Quentin performs for us.

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 04:39 PM
Scott Merkin will be on MLB TV in a few minutes

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 04:44 PM
Scott Merkin will be on MLB TV in a few minutes
relay what he says because i'm to cheap to pay for it.:D:

AWhiteSoxinNJ
12-03-2007, 04:56 PM
Merkin on now:
- Quentin deal a good one, on the lines of Lee/Pods trade.
- Still in hunt for CF in Rowand or Crisp, not done in the outfield yet.
- Crede/Fields talk. Nothing new, issues has to be settled.
- No on Tejada, still in Cabrara race, but not on top off the pecking order.
- KW unpredictable, Colon and Garcia as examples.
- Impact of Mark/Dye not being on the market.
- Talking about O. Cabrara trade, major upgrade. Good clubhouse guy.
- Pen talk, comparing '05 to '07 pens.
- KW banking on the young starting pitchers.
- Talking about Jenks outs streak last season.
- Getting anything done this winter meeting, depends on Santana with Crisp.

Soxfest
12-03-2007, 05:00 PM
I like the deal now, I hope the Rowand talk dies out. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/gosox2.gif

DickAllen72
12-03-2007, 05:06 PM
I like the move... but coming off shoulder surgery w/ very little major league experience, this deal smells more like a rebuilding effort than a win in 2008 move.
How in the world does trading an A ball prospect for a Major League prospect smell like a "rebuilding effort"? Smells more like a "re-load for now while trading away a future player" move to me.

102605
12-03-2007, 05:08 PM
Quentin had a very big upside. This could turn out to be a very bad move for AZ in a couple of years.

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 05:20 PM
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – In one year, Carlos Quentin went from the Arizona Diamondbacks' right fielder for the next decade to a giveaway in a trade.

OK, the Diamondbacks received prospect Chris Carter from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for Quentin on Monday, and Carter is a 20-year-old with huge power potential. Yet a low-A first baseman, no matter how he projects, seems scant return on a hitter who put up huge numbers across the minor leagues, slugged nine home runs in his first 150 major-league at-bats and only struggled last season, an injury-hampered one.

(Mod Edit: Please post a link to the article. Copying and pasting the entire thing is a copyright infringement.)

gogosox16
12-03-2007, 05:25 PM
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – In one year, Carlos Quentin went from the Arizona Diamondbacks' right fielder for the next decade to a giveaway in a trade.

OK, the Diamondbacks received prospect Chris Carter from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for Quentin on Monday, and Carter is a 20-year-old with huge power potential. Yet a low-A first baseman, no matter how he projects, seems scant return on a hitter who put up huge numbers across the minor leagues, slugged nine home runs in his first 150 major-league at-bats and only struggled last season, an injury-hampered one.

(Mod Edit: Please post a link to the article. Copying and pasting the entire thing is a copyright infringement.)
I like that they have found the left fielder of the future and I really don't understand why so many people are so high on Chris Carter....He was in Low A ball and batted .290 25 homers or something but struck out a lot....A ball is so far away from the majors and the pitching gets harder from hear on out....Now if he was in AA or AAA and putting up those #'s and reduced his strike outs I would be a little more optimistic but as of right now the Sox got a huge steal in this trade.

russ99
12-03-2007, 05:26 PM
Me likey.

I think this has a potential to be a great deal as long as the Sox still get a major league hitter for CF. Grudgingly, Cabrera could bat leadoff, but he's much better at #2.

As for the Phillips DFA, I wonder if the Rule 5 draft has anything to do with that. Maybe Kenny's thinking that if he exposes Phillips, someone will grab him and another Sox player might not be taken...

Phillips is still a decent prospect, but to me it looks like a lot of other Sox prospects have passed him by.

He could be a throw-in on another deal, and he could also accept the assignment. This really was just a move to clear 1 player off the 40 man for Quentin, and he was the best choice over some of the kids Kenny added to the 40 man recently.

MCHSoxFan
12-03-2007, 05:28 PM
Can we stop with the needing 15 sources before we believe it? I find it hard to believe that Rockabilly, Levine and Rotoworld would make up a deal like this one.

Oh no, I ws not saying that. I believed it. I was just pointing out that there was nothing anywhere else because that is what the poster asked.

Goose
12-03-2007, 05:31 PM
...and in a weak National League the Diamondbacks are a starting pitcher away from being West division favorites.

Maybe KW can package up a proven starter with World Series experience for one of AZ's studs...

KW: "It hurts me to discuss this, but Contraras can be made available."

AZ: "That is the experience that we have been looking for. We are a lock for the World Series!"

Or something to that effect.

BadBobbyJenks
12-03-2007, 06:36 PM
Why are we giving the DBacks our only good position prospects... ugh!


a 20 year old 1b in single a....I think we have a decent option at first at the moment.

Great trade I think, this guy has some serious potential.

Tragg
12-03-2007, 06:37 PM
Quinten may be their Brian Anderson.
This is sort of like the Richar trade, although I think Cunningham was much higher regarded than Carter.

palehosepub
12-03-2007, 06:49 PM
I think this deal makes Fukodome a must-sign unless we can trade trade for Willits, Crawford, Figgins, or another legit lead off hitter.

soco
12-03-2007, 06:54 PM
The problem with Quentin at Arizona wasn't a lack of talent (as his minor league stats show) but simply looking completely lost during 2007. The shoulder injury may have been part of it, but I bet with different scenery he'll be able to turn it around, instead of staying in a place with no home and too high expectations.

JB98
12-03-2007, 07:01 PM
Meh....not sold on Quentin.

KW has a lot of work to do this winter.

SABRSox
12-03-2007, 07:17 PM
Meh....not sold on Quentin.

KW has a lot of work to do this winter.

I looooooooove when you analyze.

ShoelessJoeS
12-03-2007, 07:23 PM
From what I'm reading, CQ has a very high ceiling, and can play some great defense. Hopefully his shoulder will be ready by Opening Day, but if it isn't I wouldn't be suprised.

chisoxmike
12-03-2007, 07:24 PM
Meh....not sold on Quentin.

KW has a lot of work to do this winter.

Prepare to be berated by everyone becuase you have an opinion that doesn't conform. :bandance: :duck::sunshine:

asindc
12-03-2007, 07:31 PM
Prepare to be berated by everyone becuase you have an opinion that doesn't conform. :bandance: :duck::sunshine:
... or more to the point, bereft of any analysis.:smile:

getonbckthr
12-03-2007, 07:33 PM
Prepare to be berated by everyone becuase you have an opinion that doesn't conform. :bandance: :duck::sunshine:
I won't berate him, he's entitled to his opinion. I just can't wait til Mr. Quentin proves him wrong.:D: I will agree that Kenny has work left to do. Most notably Andruw Jones at 5 years and 90.1 million.

sullythered
12-03-2007, 07:36 PM
Like it. Quentin looks like the real deal (potentially). He also looks like a young Eric Estrada.:tongue:

JB98
12-03-2007, 07:38 PM
... or more to the point, bereft of any analysis.:smile:

Well, here's my analysis. Carlos Quentin is 25 years old. He's not a prospect anymore. He's a former first round pick who has struggled mightily to make the transition from AAA to the majors. He's got talent, but he hasn't been able to capitalize on his opportunities to play. He's a lifetime .230 hitter.

He reminds me an awful lot of Brian Anderson and other young players we've had come along in recent years. I'm not excited about the acquisition.

Since I don't conform to the prevailing opinion, I'm sure I'll be assailed. Oh well. What else is new?

JermaineDye05
12-03-2007, 08:03 PM
I like this transaction, I remember seeing Quentin in spring training the last couple of years and doing nothing but hit and defend. I really think with a change of scenery he can turn it around. he had a good OBP in 2006 at .347 despite his average in the .250's. He's only 25 so I think he has time to turn it around. IF he can play to his potential he could be a real good addition to the ballclub. When he was sent back down to AAA he did pretty well hitting .348 with 5 hrs and 27 RBI in 33 games OBP at .430. Hopefully he makes a nice trasition to the team and plays to his potential.

JRIG
12-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Well, here's my analysis. Carlos Quentin is 25 years old. He's not a prospect anymore. He's a former first round pick who has struggled mightily to make the transition from AAA to the majors. He's got talent, but he hasn't been able to capitalize on his opportunities to play. He's a lifetime .230 hitter.

He reminds me an awful lot of Brian Anderson and other young players we've had come along in recent years. I'm not excited about the acquisition.

Since I don't conform to the prevailing opinion, I'm sure I'll be assailed. Oh well. What else is new?

He hit .253/.342/.530 in 166 at bats as a 23 year old rookie. That's pretty freaking good.

If you want to base your opinion on 229 at bats last year when he was playing with a torn labrum all season, be my guest. I'll take 1200 at bats at the minors league levels where he raked and a great debut in '05 and say he still can have a big-time impact at the ML-level.

JB98
12-03-2007, 08:09 PM
He hit .253/.342/.530 in 166 at bats as a 23 year old rookie. That's pretty freaking good.

If you want to base your opinion on 229 at bats last year when he was playing with a torn labrum all season, be my guest. I'll take 1200 at bats at the minors league levels where he raked and a great debut in '05 and say he still can have a big-time impact at the ML-level.

Sure he could. Or he could be terrible. I see a roster full of 'what ifs' right now. Hence my comment about KW having a lot of work to do this winter.

btrain929
12-03-2007, 08:31 PM
Sure he could. Or he could be terrible. I see a roster full of 'what ifs' right now. Hence my comment about KW having a lot of work to do this winter.

He definitely still has work to do to get back to the playoffs and contend in our division. But the way I look at it, we've greatly improved our SS position, our bullpen, and our OF (Quentin is better than any options we had for LF in '07) without spending any money or hurting the '08 squad too much (Carter wasn't going to be in our plans for a long time, and Garland I was never a big fan of. Pitching 200 innings a year doesn't make you good. And he wasn't going to resign with us anyways).

We have room to get a lot better, but I feel we are already heads and shoulders better than we were as a whole in '07.

ChiSoxPatF
12-03-2007, 08:43 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Arizona-sells-low-on-Quentin?urn=mlb,56054

Everyone seems pretty high on this kid and seeing as though we are trading potential in 3-4 years for potential now in a need position, I say this is a good to great deal. Kenny is by no means done if he wants to make this team respectable again and this deal will probably necessitate a deal for a legitimate CF to take the pressure off a developing LF, 3B, and 2B.

This also provides a hedging-of-bets for Kenny. If he goes all in this year and it blows up in our collective faces, Kenny at least has begun the pipeline of young players with not just Richar, Fields, and Owens but Quentin as well.

Good job Kenny :gulp: - now get us a leadoff hitter and some (okay, a lot) of pitching.

delben91
12-03-2007, 09:09 PM
Sure he could. Or he could be terrible. I see a roster full of 'what ifs' right now. Hence my comment about KW having a lot of work to do this winter.

Let me start by saying I agree with you on Quentin.

That said, every roster is all what ifs. What if Boston trades for Santana and then he, beckett, dice-k, buckholz all blow out their arms. Unlikely, but still a what if.

I guess my point is KW has to be focusing on acquiring players with the most minimal/unlikely "what ifs" because even the healthiest player in the world can get hurt, and even the most consistent, can have a bad year (2006 Mark Buehrle).

chisox77
12-03-2007, 09:14 PM
Years from now, this trade will be looked at as the key deal that sent the White Sox on an upward surge of baseball domination. This is colossal, and we like it that way!


:cool:

gobears1987
12-03-2007, 09:40 PM
I like the deal. Good hitting 1B hitters are a dime a dozen so we didn't give up too much. Besides, odds are the guy wouldn't pan out.

JB98
12-03-2007, 09:44 PM
Let me start by saying I agree with you on Quentin.

That said, every roster is all what ifs. What if Boston trades for Santana and then he, beckett, dice-k, buckholz all blow out their arms. Unlikely, but still a what if.

I guess my point is KW has to be focusing on acquiring players with the most minimal/unlikely "what ifs" because even the healthiest player in the world can get hurt, and even the most consistent, can have a bad year (2006 Mark Buehrle).


I don't think a rotation of Santana, Beckett, Schilling, Dice-K and Buchholz is a 'what-if." Sure, they could all blow out their arms, but a reasonable person would expect them to be effective unless extraordinary circumstances occur. There's always a possibility that extraordinary circumstances could occur, but if you've got a rotation like that you don't feel like a number of things have to break your way in order to win.

Right now, I look at our roster, and I think we need a ****load of luck to have a chance at winning in 2008. Obviously, KW is not done yet. He better not be. Aside from Konerko, Pierzynski, Buerhle and Jenks, I don't think we have too many guys who can be counted on to perform at the level we need. There are several others who are capable, but they are question marks.

Every team has question marks, but I think we have FAR MORE question marks than Cleveland and Detroit at this stage of game. Let's hope that changes between now and March 31.

gobears1987
12-03-2007, 09:49 PM
Love the move. Seems like Q plays good D too.

So who's gone now, Fields or Crede?
Crede. It isn't even a question, he's a FA soon, Boras is his agent, and the back is too much of a liability.

Sockinchisox
12-03-2007, 09:52 PM
Good move.

duke of dorwood
12-03-2007, 09:57 PM
I sure hope he's not done. With all our desire to improve remember, this is a trade of MINOR League players. The pain of having 5 minor leaguers in our line up at a time last Summer remains, Owens, Richar, Fields, Terrero, Gonzalez. This is not competitive with Cleveland & Detroit.

Rockabilly
12-03-2007, 09:59 PM
I sure hope he's not done. With all our desire to improve remember, this is a trade of MINOR League players. The pain of having 5 minor leaguers in our line up at a time last Summer remains, Owens, Richar, Fields, Terrero, Gonzalez. This is not competitive with Cleveland & Detroit.


KW said he is far from being finished with making our OF alot better. I think Carlos will be a role player for us

Sockinchisox
12-03-2007, 10:04 PM
KW said he is far from being finished with making our OF alot better. I think Carlos will be a role player for us

A Guy with the talent that he has cannot be a 4th OF.

champagne030
12-03-2007, 10:07 PM
I don't think a rotation of Santana, Beckett, Schilling, Dice-K and Buchholz is a 'what-if." Sure, they could all blow out their arms, but a reasonable person would expect them to be effective unless extraordinary circumstances occur. There's always a possibility that extraordinary circumstances could occur, but if you've got a rotation like that you don't feel like a number of things have to break your way in order to win.

Right now, I look at our roster, and I think we need a ****load of luck to have a chance at winning in 2008. Obviously, KW is not done yet. He better not be. Aside from Konerko, Pierzynski, Buerhle and Jenks, I don't think we have too many guys who can be counted on to perform at the level we need. There are several others who are capable, but they are question marks.

Every team has question marks, but I think we have FAR MORE question marks than Cleveland and Detroit at this stage of game. Let's hope that changes between now and March 31.

Uh, oh. Kenny's coffee getter <<cough Jabrch cough>> will be here soon enough to tell you that Owens will post a .375+ OBP, Floyd will have 14+ wins plus a sub 4 ERA, Richar wins a Silver Slugger and Fields will hit 45 HR's and win a GG this season. Oh, I forgot, Contreras wins comeback player of the year too.......

oeo
12-03-2007, 10:12 PM
A Guy with the talent that he has cannot be a 4th OF.

That's what the D'Backs planned on doing with him, if they kept him. He'll be put into whatever role we need him in. Right now he looks like our starting LF...in a few days he could be our 4th outfielder.

ChiSoxFan35
12-03-2007, 10:13 PM
Crede. It isn't even a question, he's a FA soon, Boras is his agent, and the back is too much of a liability.

I disagree it's not a question, Fields is worth more, we don't even know if anyone wants to take Crede. I don't want a Lastings Milledge like return, and Crede has always said in the end, it's his decision and Boras knows who is working for who

beckett21
12-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Count me among those who like the move. You hate to give up a good prospect, but I definitely like what Quentin potentially brings to the table.

Hopefully he lives up to his hype.

cws05champ
12-03-2007, 10:30 PM
Well what do you know, Mark Gonzales weighing in on the trade and wondering if the Sox have soured on Sweeney and Anderson.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/anderson-sweene.html


Anderson, the opening day center fielder in 2006, was demoted in late April of 2007 and is recovering from a wrist injury. A scout who watched Sweeney in the Arizona Fall League two months ago thought he would be better served in a trade.


I don't even know what this means....by watching him the the AFL, the scout came to the conclusion that he would be better in another farm system. That would make him hit more?

...and Phil Rogers:
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/a-step-forward.html

For the second time in six months, Williams has made the kind of move you'd make only if it's really important to compete right now -- that is, trade your best young position player prospect for an older minor-leaguer without such a high ceiling.


The good news is that you shouldn't judge Quentin by his numbers. He's a former first-round pick with a lot of upside, especially hitting at U.S. Cellular Field.


These quotes from Phil are from the same article 3 paragraphs apart!

Craig Grebeck
12-03-2007, 10:31 PM
I don't understand how Carlos Quentin could possibly be a 4th OF on this team.

Even if we were to get Coco and sign Fukudome - I'd rather deal JD and keep Q.

Walkman
12-03-2007, 10:38 PM
Well what do you know, Mark Gonzales weighing in on the trade and wondering if the Sox have soured on Sweeney and Anderson.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/anderson-sweene.html



I don't even know what this means....by watching him the the AFL, the scout came to the conclusion that he would be better in another farm system. That would make him hit more?

...and Phil Rogers:
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/a-step-forward.html





These quotes from Phil are from the same article 3 paragraphs apart!

I don't know why those "baseball writers" even bother writing this slop. I read these guys only expecting to be amazed about how lame they can be.

Grzegorz
12-03-2007, 10:57 PM
KW said he is far from being finished with making our OF alot better. I think Carlos will be a role player for us

A Guy with the talent that he has cannot be a 4th OF.

This is a risky deal. I do not believe that power hitting first basement are a "dime a dozen" or that the odds of Chris Carter "panning out" are low.

That said, the move had to be made because of uncertainty in the outfield. If this guy doesn't start in the outfield as soon as he's cleared to play medically than the deal sucks.

I do not believe that KW made this move to bolster the bench. So he's here and here are two words of advice: "contribute immediately".

cws05champ
12-03-2007, 11:08 PM
Where are the " Ozzie's going to ruin this kids career and confidence" people right about now? I haven't seen them yet....

Jerome
12-03-2007, 11:29 PM
I like the trade

on an unrelated note, was 'Otis' the guy who overheard Kenny at the airport on his cell phone?

KRS1
12-03-2007, 11:42 PM
That said, the move had to be made because of uncertainty in the outfield. If this guy doesn't start in the outfield as soon as he's cleared to play medically than the deal sucks.


:rolleyes:

Oh yeah. If he has to wait a couple months to make sure he isn't put in the same situation last year that hurt him a lot, then Kenny is certainly making a mistake here. I mean, there's no way we win in this deal unless Carlos is playing as soon as he is medically cleared. Not even if he runs off AS appearance after AS appearance because his missing a little while getting himself back up to speed would be DEVASTATING. Excellent way to evaluate a trade.

Oh yeah, it's then, not than.

Corrine
12-03-2007, 11:50 PM
I'll wait and see what other moves Kenny makes before I decide how I feel about this single move. I'm a big picture kind of girl.

RowanDye
12-03-2007, 11:59 PM
Well what do you know, Mark Gonzales weighing in on the trade and wondering if the Sox have soured on Sweeney and Anderson.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/anderson-sweene.html



I don't even know what this means....by watching him the the AFL, the scout came to the conclusion that he would be better in another farm system. That would make him hit more?

...and Phil Rogers:
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/a-step-forward.html





These quotes from Phil are from the same article 3 paragraphs apart!

I read this earlier too and was amazed once again at Phil's ineptitude. I sorely regret buying his book for my Dad last year. I was already pretty well done with reading Roger's articles but this puts the nail in the coffin. **** you Phil!

champagne030
12-04-2007, 12:05 AM
Where are the " Ozzie's going to ruin this kids career and confidence" people right about now? I haven't seen them yet....

Well, they'll be banned if they post their response.

I'm just saying that people against this trade will be saying it's because of certain backgrounds...

BadBobbyJenks
12-04-2007, 12:07 AM
What about fukodome? Left handed bat who seems like he could lead off no?

palehosepub
12-04-2007, 12:12 AM
LET'S SIGN FUKODOME!
Trade Crede, Egbert, Russell, and DLS
for Willits/Figinns and Ervin Santana

CF Fukodome
Cabrera
DH Thome
1B PK
RF JD
C AJ
LF Quinton/Figgins/Willits
3B Fields
2B Richar

Buerhle, Vasquez, Santana, Conteraras/Broadway/ Danks

Save McCuddy's
12-04-2007, 12:15 AM
I'm never comfortable when we make moves that are predicated on Kenny's evaluation of minor league talent -- ours or anyone else's for that matter. That hasn't proved to be his strong suit.

BadBobbyJenks
12-04-2007, 12:39 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=law_keith


"His value was low at the moment for a pair of reasons -- the Eric Byrnes extension locked him out of a job in Arizona, and Quentin just had surgery on his left shoulder. If healthy, he'll provide a solid boost of OBP to a lineup that's light on patient hitters. The White Sox's team OBP was just .318 last year, and just one hitter was over .360. The move also allows them to fill an outfield hole without spending a significant amount of money."


he says carter may have 30 homerun potential, but is so raw its hard to project.

He basically says this was a steal for the sox

oeo
12-04-2007, 12:41 AM
LET'S SIGN FUKODOME!
Trade Crede, Egbert, Russell, and DLS
for Willits/Figinns and Ervin Santana

CF Fukodome
Cabrera
DH Thome
1B PK
RF JD
C AJ
LF Quinton/Figgins/Willits
3B Fields
2B Richar

Buerhle, Vasquez, Santana, Conteraras/Broadway/ Danks

What has Ervin Santana ever done to make you think he's a #3 starter?

rowand33
12-04-2007, 12:43 AM
I like the trade though I'm much more worried about who our leadoff man will be than I was 24 hours ago.

Save McCuddy's
12-04-2007, 12:52 AM
On what basis are we considering Quentin to be an OBP guy? Is it the 15 walks he drew in 166 AB's in 2006? Maybe it was the .293 OBP he turned in last year.

Believe me, I had him on my rotisserie farm squad for 3 years buying into BP's assessments of his power potential and the numbers he was putting up in AAA. The problem is that the Pacific Coast League is just too hitter friendly to read anything into the numbers that guys put up there -- especially the south division with LA and Arizona. Unless this guy proves to be a late bloomer ala Konerko, we have just traded for Darrin Jackson II.

Foulke You
12-04-2007, 12:54 AM
On what basis are we considering Quentin to be an OBP guy? Is it the 15 walks he drew in 166 AB's in 2006? Maybe it was the .293 OBP he turned in last year.

Believe me, I had him on my rotisserie farm squad for 3 years buying into BP's assessments of his power potential and the numbers he was putting up in AAA. The problem is that the Pacific Coast League is just too hitter friendly to read anything into the numbers that guys put up there -- especially the south division with LA and Arizona. Unless this guy proves to be a late bloomer ala Konerko, we have just traded for Darrin Jackson II.
If true, Darrin Jackson II would still be a huge improvment over what we were trotting out in LF last season. Andy Gonzalez anyone? How about Luis Terrero?:tongue:

Man Soo Lee
12-04-2007, 01:42 AM
According to the radio the best offer for Andruw Jones is currently 2/32 from the Dodgers. If we were to offer him 5/90...

That's some shrewd negotiating there. :tongue:

EndemicSox
12-04-2007, 01:55 AM
Quentin's minor league numbers suggest he has significant talent...especially the OBP. Nevertheless, I have to question Arizona's willingness to part with Quentin. They soured on him for reasons which I do not know, and we can only hope KW has an idea...

goon
12-04-2007, 03:27 AM
Quentin's minor league numbers suggest he has significant talent...especially the OBP. Nevertheless, I have to question Arizona's willingness to part with Quentin. They soured on him for reasons which I do not know, and we can only hope KW has an idea...

I don't know if it's that as much as they have already have Young, Brynes and Upton. Quentin just became expendable.

ChiSoxFan35
12-04-2007, 04:07 AM
From Phil Rogers:

Chris Carter is not a household name, I know. But he's the best power-hitting prospect in a system that doesn't have many of them and as such was probably the guy viewed as the eventual replacement for Paul Konerko or Jim Thome. Baseball America had him preliminarily rated as the No. 6 prospect on their Top 10 list, scheduled for publication in a future issue. The five guys listed ahead of him are all pitchers.

So, no, the Sox aren't getting Quentin, a .career .230 hitter in 138 big-league games, for nothing.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2007/12/a-step-forward.html

He goes on to praise Quentin, so that's not the point, but as with every trade, it's too early to declare a winner. A lot of 'what if's' on both sides, and of course, we all need to see the future moves that happen

ChiSoxFan35
12-04-2007, 04:13 AM
If true, Darrin Jackson II would still be a huge improvment over what we were trotting out in LF last season. Andy Gonzalez anyone? How about Luis Terrero?:tongue:

How about Pods. How much is it going to cost to redesign the Fundamental deck?

MetroPD
12-04-2007, 04:57 AM
I'm not sure why this trade is so universally liked. Yes, Carlos Quentin is closer to the majors than Chris Carter, but Quentin batted .214 last year in 81 games. (I suppose that average puts him right at home with the Sox of last year.) In exactly half a season, he drove in 31 runs and hit 5 HRs. I'll give him some slack in that his injury may have affected him, but how much?

It's not that I hate giving up Carter and his potential, it's that Quentin does not appear to be ready to step in and play immediately. At best, he's the fourth outfielder. If he's the starting LF, I'm really worried.
Agree, Fields is still a better fit in LF.

Grzegorz
12-04-2007, 05:50 AM
Oh yeah, it's then, not than.

Thanks for pointing out the typing error; I do apologize to everyone I've offended. I promise to be far more considerate of my fellow WSI'ers in the future.

KRS1,

I certainly did not intend to waste your valuable time, or keystrokes, in your effort to bring perfection to every post made on this board.

My point is that the trade should be one of building for a World Series title run in the short term rather than building for a title in the long term.

santo=dorf
12-04-2007, 06:34 AM
LET'S SIGN FUKODOME!
Trade Crede, Egbert, Russell, and DLS
for Willits/Figinns and Ervin Santana

CF Fukodome
Cabrera
DH Thome
1B PK
RF JD
C AJ
LF Quinton/Figgins/Willits
3B Fields
2B Richar

Buerhle, Vasquez, Santana, Conteraras/Broadway/ Danks
Just stop it.

Carlos Vasquez will not be in the rotation, and trading Egbert, DLS and Crede for a garbage pitcher in Santana and a 27 year old Willits would be stupid as ****.

SBSoxFan
12-04-2007, 08:43 AM
Just stop it.

Carlos Vasquez will not be in the rotation

:rolling: I'm pretty sure he must've meant Javier Vazquez ... right?

Danryan
12-04-2007, 09:05 AM
Quentin = Terrero

balke
12-04-2007, 09:20 AM
Quentin = Terrero

Danryan = darkcloud


Name me one thing that even remotely suggests that?

Terrero was a .284 hitter in the minors, with an OBP of .334
Quentin was a .309 hitter in the minors, with an OBP of .427

Quentin also hits HR's at twice the rate with more doubles.

Tragg
12-04-2007, 09:20 AM
Where are the " Ozzie's going to ruin this kids career and confidence" people right about now? I haven't seen them yet....

Let's hope that Quinten (and Richar) will break the ice for Guillen and Walker and render those arguments moot in 2008.

santo=dorf
12-04-2007, 09:52 AM
:rolling: I'm pretty sure he must've meant Javier Vazquez ... right?
The "Vasquez" misspell has gotten to the point where it's more unforgivable than "Jose Valentine." Some posters like myself just read the post as Carlos Vasquez until the misspelling is corrected.

SBSoxFan
12-04-2007, 09:57 AM
The "Vasquez" misspell has gotten to the point where it's more unforgivable than "Jose Valentine." Some posters like myself just read the post as Carlos Vasquez until the misspelling is corrected.

I'd rather it be a misspelling than pining for Carlos Vasquez to be in the starting rotation!

btrain929
12-04-2007, 11:21 AM
Danryan = darkcloud


Name me one thing that even remotely suggests that?

Terrero was a .284 hitter in the minors, with an OBP of .334
Quentin was a .309 hitter in the minors, with an OBP of .427

Quentin also hits HR's at twice the rate with more doubles.

Yes from what I've seen on TV and his stats in the minors, he's a doubles machine. That'd be nice to have at the bottom of the order.

Nellie_Fox
12-04-2007, 11:23 AM
:tomatoaward :tomatoaward

soxinem1
12-04-2007, 12:18 PM
:tomatoaward :tomatoaward


Wow! A trade for a failed prospect gets 200 replies!

Are we dying for a big trade/FA pick-up or what! :smile::smile:

RowanDye
12-04-2007, 12:57 PM
Some interesting quotes from Cowley's latest article (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/679411,CST-SPT-sox04.article):

"Quentin, 25, had been on the slow track, stalled out somewhere between Joe Borchard Highway and Interstate Brian Anderson as far as the Diamondbacks were concerned"

Whatever Joe...

The other interesting quote is from KW regarding outfielders:

''We're more looking at the free-agent route than the trade route right now,'' Williams said.

Hmmmm...

Save McCuddy's
12-04-2007, 01:25 PM
I'm beginning to warm up to this deal.

We traded a guy who is one dimensional and put up good numbers as one of the older players in low - A ball. Those numbers pale by comparison to what Quentin did in high A and AA when he first broke in.

Most importantly, Quentin brings defense. He rates out as above major league average in right with a strong arm and range that nearly enables him to play center. While I worry that he's 25 and hasn't established himself yet, last year's injury rates a second chance.

Good effort Kenny.

TomBradley72
12-04-2007, 01:25 PM
Even if we were to get Coco and sign Fukudome - I'd rather deal JD and keep Q.

:bong:

spiffie
12-04-2007, 01:32 PM
Interesting bit from Rob Neyer's chat on ESPN:

Dan (Chicago, IL): True or False. Carlos Quentin will be more valuable at league minimum than Jose Guillen at 36 mil and Torii Hunter at 90 mil.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Rob Neyer: Unknown. Quentin's performance in the majors this season does raise some real questions, particularly regarding his health. But I do think he'll be the best of those three players in 2010.

TheVulture
12-04-2007, 02:45 PM
I can't believe there actually exist Sox fans who don't like this trade! Are you people nuts? Last I checked we're a little short in quality major league OFers.
We get a guy with .300 BA .400 OBP and 35 HR potential, plays good defense and who is ready now for a guy 3-5 years from the majors who, according to available reports, fields like Ronnie Milsap. This guy could be in our outfield for the next 5 years. Maybe it won't pan out, but this is a great move!

StepsInSC
12-04-2007, 02:47 PM
Wow! A trade for a failed prospect gets 200 replies!

One injury-riddled year in the bigs is enough to constitute a "failure?" :?:

TheVulture
12-04-2007, 02:50 PM
"Quentin, 25, had been on the slow track, stalled out somewhere between Joe Borchard Highway and Interstate Brian Anderson as far as the Diamondbacks were concerned"

Whatever Joe...


Yeah, I don't really recall those guys putting up .440 OBPs in AA/AAA or putting up this line in their first opportunity at the major league level.

166 AB 13 2B 3 3B 9 HR .342 OBP .530 SLG

At 550 ABs that pans out to 43 2B, 10 3B, 30 HR

''We're more looking at the free-agent route than the trade route right now,'' Williams said.

Hmmmm...[/quote]

Got to like the sound of that...

California Sox
12-04-2007, 02:52 PM
I'm beginning to warm up to this deal.

We traded a guy who is one dimensional and put up good numbers as one of the older players in low - A ball.

Say what you will about Chris Carter, at 20 he was not "one of the older players in low-A ball." In fact, out of the top players on Kanny (Shelby, Gomes, Hernandez, Allen, Miranda), he was the youngest.

TheVulture
12-04-2007, 02:54 PM
Quentin = Terrero
Danryan=Sadly mistaken

Terrero career minor leagues numbers:
.286/.328/.453
Quentin:
.313/.413/.527

Terrero never showed the promise Quentin has. This guy has serious potential people!

TheVulture
12-04-2007, 02:59 PM
I like the move... but coming off shoulder surgery w/ very little major league experience, this deal smells more like a rebuilding effort than a win in 2008 move.

How does trading a low A player for a major league player smell like a rebuilding move?

TheVulture
12-04-2007, 03:09 PM
Agree, Fields is still a better fit in LF.:lol:

rdivaldi
12-04-2007, 03:19 PM
Say what you will about Chris Carter, at 20 he was not "one of the older players in low-A ball." In fact, out of the top players on Kanny (Shelby, Gomes, Hernandez, Allen, Miranda), he was the youngest.

I don't think anyone could honestly say that Carter wasn't the top position prospect in Kanny last year and one of the top two or three in our entire farm system. He's a good prospect with a high ceiling if he can cut down on his swing.

XplodingScorbord
12-04-2007, 03:29 PM
I can't believe there actually exist Sox fans who don't like this trade! Are you people nuts? Last I checked we're a little short in quality major league OFers.
We get a guy with .300 BA .400 OBP and 35 HR potential, plays good defense and who is ready now for a guy 3-5 years from the majors who, according to available reports, fields like Ronnie Milsap. This guy could be in our outfield for the next 5 years. Maybe it won't pan out, but this is a great move!

Well played, sir!

wilburaga
12-04-2007, 03:44 PM
Danryan=Sadly mistaken

Terrero career minor leagues numbers:
.286/.328/.453
Quentin:
.313/.413/.527

Terrero never showed the promise Quentin has. This guy has serious potential people!

I agree that by the time Terrero got to us he was no longer a top prospect. But he was the Diamondbacks top prospect in 2002 according to Baseball America. Quentin got the nod in 2005. BTW, the top D'back prospect in 2001 was one Alex Cintron.

W

Flight #24
12-04-2007, 04:27 PM
I agree that by the time Terrero got to us he was no longer a top prospect. But he was the Diamondbacks top prospect in 2002 according to Baseball America. Quentin got the nod in 2005. BTW, the top D'back prospect in 2001 was one Alex Cintron.

W

And if I'm not mistaken, the most recent DBacks top prospect was Chris Young. They'd better dump him fast.

Just because other top prospects have flopped doesn't mean this guy will. Alex Cintron never put up minor league #s anywhere close to Quentin, neither did Terrero. Neither did they put up as solid numbers in yr1 as he did. What looks bad is his yr2, which was mitigated by his injury that he pushed through to play this year.

PaleHoser
12-05-2007, 02:15 AM
Quentin went to Stanford, just like KW. On the Stanford attendee scale, let's hope he performs more like Jack McDowell than Joe Borchard.

Maybe he can pitch? He certainly hit like a pitcher last season.

SoxxoS
12-05-2007, 09:19 PM
The more and more I look into this deal the more and more I like it -

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/Q/carlos-quentin.shtml

Look at those numbers - The guy RAKED everywhere he went except his second stint in the majors at 24. Its not like he was outmatched in his first stint, where he had a legit 166 AB's and held his own with a .872 OPS...
So he struggled (where injury may have been a little problem) last year...big deal.

Got to give to get - And 1B are a lot easier to find than corner outfielders.

JermaineDye05
12-05-2007, 09:57 PM
The more and more I look into this deal the more and more I like it -

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/Q/carlos-quentin.shtml

Look at those numbers - The guy RAKED everywhere he went except his second stint in the majors at 24. Its not like he was outmatched in his first stint, where he had a legit 166 AB's and held his own with a .872 OPS...
So he struggled (where injury may have been a little problem) last year...big deal.

Got to give to get - And 1B are a lot easier to find than corner outfielders.

Yeah I really think Kenny caught lightning in a bottle here with Quentin. The guy seems like a great hitter, and he's a hell of a fielder too. I've been watching highlights on the Diamondbacks websites.

SoxxoS
12-05-2007, 09:58 PM
Not to rain on my own parade - But i read http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/4/25/142358/012

and this comment at the bottom kind of scared me -

Quentin Im a bit concerned about Quentin's performance last year in AAA. A .300 batting average is nothing special in the PCL in general, and even less so when you consider his ballpark. BP's major league equivalent line for him last year was .247/.356/.415. The list of past top hitting prospects from arizona I think should be somewhat concerning:
Scott Hariston, career minor league line of .321/.399/.566
Jack Cust, .292/.436/.520
Travis Lee, .315/.411/.590
Karim Garcia, .286/.341/.523 (some in the Dodger system)
Lyle Overbay, .338/.407/.532
Chad Tracy, .335/.388/.468
Erubiel Durazo, .403/.585/.722
only Tracy, Durazo, and Overbay have had significant success, and it didnt come until they they were 25, 29, and 27, respectively. All three took some time before they figuered out major league pitching and the others have yet to figure it out.
My point is that I think its difficult to really put the Tuscon, El Paso, and Lancaster ballparks and their respective leagues into proper context. Perhaps Quentin, and Jackson, are for real. All I'm saying is that Arizona has had a number of hitting prospects put up phenominal raw stats only to struggle in the majors.

jabrch
05-11-2008, 12:21 AM
Good move.


DAMN RIGHT IT WAS....

Imagine if KW didn't pull this one off?

ChiSoxFan35
05-11-2008, 12:25 AM
jeez man, 'Carlos Quentin traded'... is not a thread I want to see when I log in!

chisoxfanatic
05-11-2008, 12:27 AM
jeez man, 'Carlos Quentin traded'... is not a thread I want to see when I log in!

My heart skipped a few beats myself as well...geez!

btrain929
05-11-2008, 12:43 AM
jeez man, 'Carlos Quentin traded'... is not a thread I want to see when I log in!

My heart skipped a few beats myself as well...geez!

Jeeeeeeeeeeezus, my heart jumped into my throat. Unless it was to the Giants for Lincecum, I don't wanna see this nonsense anymore :tongue:

jabrch
05-11-2008, 12:44 AM
Sorry to scare folks....just interested in a follow up...probably could have created a new thread....

CLR01
05-11-2008, 12:55 AM
Why the **** is this thread getting bumped.

:rolleyes:

Tragg
05-11-2008, 01:40 AM
Why the **** is this thread getting bumped.

:rolleyes:
Obviously to point a finger and sing "na na na na na na" to posters. Yet, there's no one to "na na na na na" because few seriously objected to that trade last December anyway.

Chilli Palmer
05-11-2008, 01:50 AM
Now I see why KW said he wanted The Carlos Quentin.

WhiteSox5187
05-11-2008, 01:53 AM
Christ, I saw just the start of this thread: "Carlos Quentin traded" and my heart stopped. We should close this thread before someone dies before reading the whole thing. Jesus.

DumpJerry
05-11-2008, 01:56 AM
Christ, I saw just the start of this thread: "Carlos Quentin traded" and my heart stopped. We should close this thread before someone dies before reading the whole thing. Jesus.
If people stopped posting on this thread, it will sink into oblivion.

Chilli Palmer
05-11-2008, 02:00 AM
Where is TCQ's tag?