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santo=dorf
12-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Put together a White Sox team composed of players with their worst individual seasons.

Rules:
1. Player can not appear twice unless he sucked at a different position in different years (i.e, Navarro can't appear three times in the rotation.)
2. Due to the fact that most crappy players lose playing time, minimum qualifications:
batters: 150 Plate Appearances
Starting pitchers: 10 starts
Relief pitchers: 30 innings
3. To save time on baseball-reference, try to keep it within the last 40 years

Link (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=58340) for aid. LIST ONLY INDIVIDUAL SEASONS, NOT JUST PLAYERS. :redneck

1B: 1978 Lamar Johnson
2B: 1988 Fred Manrique
3B: 1988 Kenny Williams
SS: 1971 Bee Bee Richard
LF: 1974 Carlos May
CF: 1985 Daryl Boston
RF: 2004 Joe Borchard
C: 1973 Chuck Brinkman
DH: 1978 Ron Blomberg


Bench:
UTL: 2007 Andy Gonzalez
MIF: 1993 Graig Grebeck
MIF: 1990 Steve Lyons
OF:
OF:

SP: 1998 Jaime Navarro
SP: 2002 Todd Richie
SP: 1995 Jason Bere
SP: 2003 Danny Wright
SP: 1999 John Snyder

RP: 2007 Nick Masset
RP: 2003 Rick White
RP: 2004 Mike Jackson
RP: 2006 Cliff Politte
RP: 2007 Mike MacDougal
CL: 2003 Billy Koch

Owner: 1997 Jerry Reinsdorf
GM: 1985 Ken Harrelson
Manager: 1995 Terry Bevington
Third Base Coach:
First Base Coach:
Pitching Coach: 2001 Nardi Contreras
Bench Coach:

Dishonorable mentions: SS 1983 Jerry Dybzinski, C 2004 Ben Davis, 3B 1979 Kevin Bell, SS 2002 Royce Clayton, SS 1986 Ozzie Guillen, SS 1980 Todd Cruz, MIF 1970 Syd O'Brien, 2B 1992 Steve Sax, RF 1993 Dan Pasqua, RP 2006 Neal Cotts

spiffie
12-02-2007, 04:54 PM
John Snyder 1999 seems like a contender.

9-12 6.68 ERA, 74 ERA+, 1.67 WHIP

TomBradley72
12-02-2007, 05:30 PM
Some guys worth consideration:

Claude Osteen-SP (1975, 7-16, 4.36)
Ron Reed-Closer (1984, 0-6, 12 svs)
Bruce Kimm- C (1980, 100 G, .243-0-19)
Eddie Leon-SS (1973, 127 G, .228-3-30)
Tom McGraw-1B (1970, 129 G, .220-6-31)
Nyls Nyman- OF (1975, 106 G .226-3-28)

TomBradley72
12-02-2007, 05:33 PM
From this year's pitching staff:

SP- Jose Contreras (10-17, 5.57)
SP- John Danks (6-13, 5.50)
RP- Mike MacDougal (2-5,6.80)

eastchicagosoxfan
12-02-2007, 05:39 PM
Pat Caraway's 1931 season would qualify. 10 wins, 24 losses, and an era over 6.
Vic Frazier's 1932 season. 3 wins, 13 losses. an era over 6.

The Sox were really bad during the 1920's and most of the 1930's.

There are plenty of bad Sox hurlers from this era.

santo=dorf
12-02-2007, 06:51 PM
Some guys worth consideration:

Claude Osteen-SP (1975, 7-16, 4.36)
Ron Reed-Closer (1984, 0-6, 12 svs)
Bruce Kimm- C (1980, 100 G, .243-0-19)
Eddie Leon-SS (1973, 127 G, .228-3-30)
Tom McGraw-1B (1970, 129 G, .220-6-31)
Nyls Nyman- OF (1975, 106 G .226-3-28)
Good Stuff! Keep 'em coming. :cool:

Ron Reed had a pretty good ERA and WHIP. Was he really that bad? :redneck

Britt Burns
12-02-2007, 08:22 PM
I seem to recall that Reed wasnt that bad in '84. He wasn't even supposed to be the main closer, but the Britt Burns experiment didn't work out and Lamp had left in the offseason. Remember, that was a time when it was more common for closers to come in during the eighth and/or during a tie, so that 0-6 record, while lousy, wasn't altogether indicitive of his performance. I think any of Koch's seasons or Shingo's 2005 easily would rank worse, as would Bob James' '86.

TomBradley72
12-02-2007, 08:44 PM
I seem to recall that Reed wasnt that bad in '84. He wasn't even supposed to be the main closer, but the Britt Burns experiment didn't work out and Lamp had left in the offseason. Remember, that was a time when it was more common for closers to come in during the eighth and/or during a tie, so that 0-6 record, while lousy, wasn't altogether indicitive of his performance. I think any of Koch's seasons or Shingo's 2005 easily would rank worse, as would Bob James' '86.

Maybe I don't recall this accurately...I remembered Reed as specifically being appointed the closer before the season started. He wasn't so much horrible as he was just kind of "anemic"...he seemed out of gas for such a demanding role...was his last season in MLB.

soxinem1
12-02-2007, 10:04 PM
Maybe I don't recall this accurately...I remembered Reed as specifically being appointed the closer before the season started. He wasn't so much horrible as he was just kind of "anemic"...he seemed out of gas for such a demanding role...was his last season in MLB.

Yeah, he was sort of closer by default. The plan was for Britt Burns, who volunteered to open the 1984 season in the pen, to join the rotation in May once a fifth starter was needed. When Britt went into the rotation the first time that year, Red was sort of the defacto closer, as Barojas, Agosto, Gleaton, and Jones all sort of rotated shots at the job.

It was obvious Hemond and LaRussa didn't think they would need much for a closer because the starters were all expected to throw 220-240+ IP. Sort of a dumb thought when youthink about it, as the 1983 White Sox led the league in saves.

As it turns out, the only major pitching categories the 1984 White Sox would rank high in was CG's, H/IP, and losses by starters.

Much like 2007, 1984 was known for a bad bullpen, and a rotating cast of characters comprising it. It only took 12 saves to lead that crew.

Ron Reed was actually okay in 1984, but he did blow a few tight ones. One key game was an extra inning loss to BAL when the Sox took the lead on a wild pitch K, only to have Reed give it back in the home half and lose on a HR by Cal Ripken, Jr.

IIRC, 4-5 of those 12 saves came in September.

Once Bob James was acquired, the plan was for Reed to work behind him. It looked like he would open the 1985 season in the White Sox bullpen.

But some bad outings towards the end of ST and the emergence of Al Jones lead to Reed being one of the last players cut, and he never pitched in the majors again.

aryzner
12-02-2007, 11:48 PM
I don't know how sad it is that you can practically put the entire bullpen from 2007 in here. One might even argue you could almost put most of the team.

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(DISCLAIMER: The views of this post are expressed by a young 24 year old therefore it is possible that I have not seen the worst of the worst Sox seasons.)

rdivaldi
12-02-2007, 11:58 PM
Just take the entire 1998 pitching staff, stick them in a blender and pour their guts out on this thread. I don't think I've ever seen such a worthless collection of arms in my life. I will admit that some of them did go on to have success later on, but that year I got whiplash watching all of the gopher balls that they gave up.

JB98
12-03-2007, 12:18 AM
C - Joel Skinner
1B - Russ Morman
2B - D'Angelo Jiminez
SS - Mike Caruso
3B - Tim Hulett
LF - Daryl Boston
CF- Brian Anderson
RF - Joe Borchard

SP - Jaime Navarro
SP - Joe Magrane
SP - Ross Baumgarten
SP - Danny Wright
SP - Kirk McCaskill
RP - Mike MacDougal
RP - Mike Myers
RP - Andrew Sisco
RP - Shawn Hillegas(can)
RP - Brian Drahman
RP - Carlos Castillo

FedEx227
12-03-2007, 03:36 AM
Just take the entire 1998 pitching staff, stick them in a blender and pour their guts out on this thread. I don't think I've ever seen such a worthless collection of arms in my life. I will admit that some of them did go on to have success later on, but that year I got whiplash watching all of the gopher balls that they gave up.

The five guys that started the most games from them that season:

Sirotka, Navarro, Baldwin, Parque and Scott Eyre had a collective ERA of 5.44.

Those five also gave up 116 HR's collectively, or 23 per starter.

Disgusting.

How we had any success that season is still a mystery.

We scored 861 runs, and gave up 931.

Hitmen77
12-03-2007, 11:43 AM
Nominees:
Cory Snyder - 1991
Steve Sax - 1992
David Wells - 2001
Billy Koch - 2003

duke of dorwood
12-03-2007, 12:07 PM
Toby Hall has GOT to be the catcher-

santo=dorf
12-03-2007, 12:18 PM
Toby Hall has GOT to be the catcher-
He didn't have enough PA's.

1973 Chuck Brinkman: 151 PA's .187/.252/.252 40 OPS+, 37 K's, 10 RBI's
2007 Toby Hall: 120 PA's: .207/.225/.241 21 OPS+, 4 RBI's :o:

102605
12-03-2007, 12:21 PM
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2005/12/24/dMkQpMSu.jpg

Jerko
12-03-2007, 12:24 PM
C Steve Christmas
1B Mike Squires
2B Fred Manrique
SS Harry Chappas
3B Kevin Bell
OF Rusty Kuntz
OF KW
OF Thad Bosley

DH Greg Norton

RockyMtnSoxFan
12-03-2007, 01:06 PM
He didn't record many outs, but Jose Paniagua has to be considered. He recorded a stellar ERA of 108.00 in 2003. If I remember correctly, he came into the late innings of a game in which we were blowing out the Twins, and he almost blew the game. We got the win that day, but the Twins won the next day and the Sox never recovered as the dirty Twins took the division.

I still have a grudge against that guy.

Save McCuddy's
12-03-2007, 01:16 PM
Please consider:

2B 1988 Donny Hill
3B (pick a year) Kevin Bell
C 1979 Bruce Kim
SS 1980 Todd Cruz
OF 1989 Daryl Boston

SP 1989 Jerry Reuss (The Rolls had a few dents but was somehow 8-5?)
SP 1989 Steve Rosenberg
SP 1995 Jason Bere (Historically awful)
RP 1995 Scott Radinsky

Save McCuddy's
12-03-2007, 01:19 PM
Yeah, he was sort of closer by default. The plan was for Britt Burns, who volunteered to open the 1984 season in the pen, to join the rotation in May once a fifth starter was needed. When Britt went into the rotation the first time that year, Red was sort of the defacto closer, as Barojas, Agosto, Gleaton, and Jones all sort of rotated shots at the job.

It was obvious Hemond and LaRussa didn't think they would need much for a closer because the starters were all expected to throw 220-240+ IP. Sort of a dumb thought when youthink about it, as the 1983 White Sox led the league in saves.

As it turns out, the only major pitching categories the 1984 White Sox would rank high in was CG's, H/IP, and losses by starters.

Much like 2007, 1984 was known for a bad bullpen, and a rotating cast of characters comprising it. It only took 12 saves to lead that crew.

Ron Reed was actually okay in 1984, but he did blow a few tight ones. One key game was an extra inning loss to BAL when the Sox took the lead on a wild pitch K, only to have Reed give it back in the home half and lose on a HR by Cal Ripken, Jr.

IIRC, 4-5 of those 12 saves came in September.

Once Bob James was acquired, the plan was for Reed to work behind him. It looked like he would open the 1985 season in the White Sox bullpen.

But some bad outings towards the end of ST and the emergence of Al Jones lead to Reed being one of the last players cut, and he never pitched in the majors again.

I recall reed's season in '84 along similar lines. Overall, he was far too efffective to find his way onto the list. # of saves was a different measure in '84 than it has been since. I would say we have some candidates more deserving of infamy than Reed.

JB98
12-03-2007, 07:08 PM
Toby Hall has GOT to be the catcher-

Nah. We've had worse. Joel Skinner and Mark Johnson were 100 percent healthy when they were sucking with the Sox.

Tragg
12-03-2007, 07:21 PM
Syd O'Brien's got to make the team at 3B for his performance in 1970.
He had an OBP of .285 and had a .938 Fielding percentage at 3rd

There are a lot of prime candidates from the at 1970 club.