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OfficerKarkovice
04-17-2002, 12:14 AM
So I got in this argument with a friend who says that Barry Bonds was not the best player in the past 10 years...NOT only did he say that but he wants me to compare Bonds to SHAMMY SOSA over the last 10 years. I dont exactly know where to get these kind of stats so I wonder if some of you guys could get comparison stats for these 2 over the last 10 years. Thanks.

Randar68
04-17-2002, 12:22 AM
Who needs stats?

1 of them has had 3 good years and 6-7 horrendous ones, and the other had a HOF decade!

OfficerKarkovice
04-17-2002, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Randar68
Who needs stats?

1 of them has had 3 good years and 6-7 horrendous ones, and the other had a HOF decade!

My point exactly...but of course he's on the Cubby Crack.
:bluerock

Dadawg_77
04-17-2002, 01:02 AM
I know this off the top of my head becuase I looked it up to disprove a scrub crack head.

Thomas 1.015 OPS
Bonds was like 1.102 maybe but it was over one
Sosa .885

That is career OPS.

ESPN.com has a great stat section on each player, just go the player section and find the guy who you are looking for.

kermittheefrog
04-17-2002, 01:02 AM
Baseball-reference.com!!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/compare.cgi?top=/b/bondsba01.shtml

kermittheefrog
04-17-2002, 01:08 AM
Before you even need stats there is the fact that Bonds is the only man to win four MVP awards and one of 11 guys to do it back to back. They've played in the same league for most of their careers and Sosa has "just" one MVP award. I think that pretty much prove things right there but if you want to actually compare Bonds and Sosa it's ridiculous because Sosa has only been on Bonds' level since 1998. Think about that, being on Bonds' level since 98 is gonna but Sosa in the Hall. Where does that put Bonds? I think he's the best player ever relative to his era.

MattSharp
04-17-2002, 01:09 AM
Since I am such a great guy I will do some legwork for you:

Since and including 1992-2001:

Sosa
G: 1398
AB: 5439
H: 1560
2B: 234
3B: 30
HR: 421
RBI: 1123
BB: 577
SO: 1395
SB: 161
AVG: .286

Bonds
G: 1426
AB: 4821
H: 1476
2B: 299
3B: 40
HR: 425
RBI: 1089
BB: 1240
SO: 761
SB: 272
AVG: .306

Sosa only has better numbers in 2 categories and HRs isn't even one of them. Please tell your friend to explain this one to me?

Dadawg_77
04-17-2002, 01:13 AM
also look at Total Bases, On base % and slg %

OfficerKarkovice
04-17-2002, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by MattSharp
Since I am such a great guy I will do some legwork for you:

Since and including 1992-2001:

Sosa
G: 1398
AB: 5439
H: 1560
2B: 234
3B: 30
HR: 421
RBI: 1123
BB: 577
SO: 1395
SB: 161
AVG: .286

Bonds
G: 1426
AB: 4821
H: 1476
2B: 299
3B: 40
HR: 425
RBI: 1089
BB: 1240
SO: 761
SB: 272
AVG: .306

Sosa only has better numbers in 2 categories and HRs isn't even one of them. Please tell your friend to explain this one to me?

You're the man Matt...thanks for the help guys...time to set the damn Cub fans right.

RedPinStripes
04-17-2002, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice


You're the man Matt...thanks for the help guys...time to set the damn Cub fans right.

Are they ever right?

Bmr31
04-17-2002, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by kermittheefrog
Before you even need stats there is the fact that Bonds is the only man to win four MVP awards and one of 11 guys to do it back to back. They've played in the same league for most of their careers and Sosa has "just" one MVP award. I think that pretty much prove things right there but if you want to actually compare Bonds and Sosa it's ridiculous because Sosa has only been on Bonds' level since 1998. Think about that, being on Bonds' level since 98 is gonna but Sosa in the Hall. Where does that put Bonds? I think he's the best player ever relative to his era.

forgive me if anyone mentioned this but Bonds has numerous gold gloves and sosa does not. In all fairness to sosa, he had more than 3 "good" years, he had 3 great years. With that said, sosa cant compare to Bonds, over the past 10 season.

Randar68
04-17-2002, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice


You're the man Matt...thanks for the help guys...time to set the damn Cub fans right.

Please also note that the only reason Sosa is ahead of Bonds in hits and RBI's is because Sammy has over 600 more at bats because he never took a walk before a couple seasons ago (and some health issues with Barry).

Normalize AB's, and it's not even close in ANY category...

NUCatsFan
04-17-2002, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by MattSharp
Since I am such a great guy I will do some legwork for you:

[edited to highlight my point]

Since and including 1992-2001:

Sosa
G: 1398
AB: 5439
BB: 577
SO: 1395

Bonds
G: 1426
AB: 4821
BB: 1240
SO: 761


Those stats are absolutely amazing. Looking at ratios, 9.4 AB/BB for Sosa vs. 3.9 for Bonds. That means that you can reasonable expect Barry to take a walk about once a game. As for Sosa, he'll be lucky to take one ever 2 or 3. As for strikeouts, the ratios are, 3.9 AB/K vs. 6.3 for Bonds. Again, that translates into about one K per game for Sosa vs 2 in 3 games for Barry. Sammy tends to make the easier out than Barry. But then again, we already knew that, didn't we.

NUCatsFan
04-17-2002, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Dadawg_77
also look at Total Bases, On base % and slg %

I'd be interested in RISP BA/OBP/SLG, but I'm not sure those kinds of stats are available.

Dadawg_77
04-17-2002, 01:49 PM
ESPN.com player pages have the stats.

kermittheefrog
04-17-2002, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by NUCatsFan


Those stats are absolutely amazing. Looking at ratios, 9.4 AB/BB for Sosa vs. 3.9 for Bonds. That means that you can reasonable expect Barry to take a walk about once a game. As for Sosa, he'll be lucky to take one ever 2 or 3. As for strikeouts, the ratios are, 3.9 AB/K vs. 6.3 for Bonds. Again, that translates into about one K per game for Sosa vs 2 in 3 games for Barry. Sammy tends to make the easier out than Barry. But then again, we already knew that, didn't we.

In fairness to Sosa his walk rate is a lot better now and he was well over 100 walks this year. Now for you folks who wanted BA/OBP/SLG and total bases:

Once again between 1992 and 2001 inclusive.

Bonds:
BA: .306
OBP: .449
SLG: .649
TB: 3130
Extra base hits: 764

Sosa
BA: .287
OBP: .356
SLG: .573
TB: 3117
EBH: 685

baggio202
04-17-2002, 06:46 PM
bonds also went from a lead off man to one of the best power hitters in history....he has to be the best player ive seen and ive been following baseball for 30 years