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Lip Man 1
12-01-2007, 12:08 PM
December 2, 1971 - It was the trade that perhaps saved the franchise. Sox player personnel director Roland Hemond sent pitcher Tommy John and infielder Steve Huntz to the Dodgers for disgruntled slugger Dick Allen. Allen, one of the most prolific talents in the game, marched to his own drummer and was deemed difficult to handle by other teams and managers. Somehow Sox skipper Chuck Tanner, who knew the Allen family for years, got the best out of him. Allen would almost single handedly lead the team to the 1972 playoffs, winning the American League’s MVP. He’d win two home run titles in his three years on the South Side and be named to three All Star teams. His popularity kept the turnstiles spinning and kept the White Sox solvent.

An hour later Hemond steals pitcher Stan Bahnsen from the Yankees for infielder Rich McKinney. Bahnsen would go on to win 21 games in 1972.(Both Hemond and Tanner talk about Allen and his days with the White Sox in their White Sox Interactive interviews. In addition Carlos May, Ed Hermann, Mike Andrews and Wilbur Wood discuss him as a teammate in their WSI Interviews.)

December 2, 2002 - Another deal that didn’t work to well for the Sox as Kenny Williams trades closer Keith Foulke, catcher Mark Johnson and a third player to the A’s for pitchers Billy Koch, Neal Cotts and a third player. Koch never can find the success he had in either Toronto or Oakland in part, maybe in great part, because of a mysterious illness that strikes both him and his family. It was later revealed that the illness began to manifest itself when he was trying to pitch on the South Side.

Cotts at least,would have a spectacular season in 2005 helping the Sox win the World Series before losing his rhythm and confidence.

Foulke meanwhile, would save 44 games and make the All Star team. Williams may have had his hands tied by the fact that then manager Jerry Manuel had lost confidence in Foulke and refused to pitch him in key situations in the back half of the 2002 season.

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12-01-2007, 12:59 PM
I still think the Sox would've won the division in 03 had it not been for the Foulke Koch trade.

12-01-2007, 04:36 PM
Who was the third player we got for Foulke?

12-01-2007, 04:43 PM
Who was the third player we got for Foulke?

Was it Adkins? Or was he in the Ray Durham deal earlier in 2002?

Edit: It wasn't Adkins. Per retrosheet.org:

Traded by Chicago White Sox (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2002/TM_CHA2002.htm) with Mark Johnson (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/J/Pjohnm003.htm), Joe Valentine (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/V/Pvalej005.htm) and cash to Oakland
Athletics (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2002/TM_OAK2002.htm) in exchange for Billy Koch (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/K/Pkochb001.htm) and 2 players to be named later (December 3,
2002 (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2002/12032002.htm)); Chicago White Sox (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2002/TM_CHA2002.htm) received Neal Cotts (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/C/Pcottn001.htm) and Daylon Holt (December 16, 2002 (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2002/12162002.htm)).

12-01-2007, 07:44 PM
I remember that deal - the Foulke for Koch trade (with others involved). The White Sox may not have won that deal, but they got something out of it with the 2005 season Cotts had.

As for Dick Allen, he may have been the most talented player to wear a White Sox uniform, because he could play the whole game. Great hands (quick and strong, swung a telephone poll for a bat), great baserunner, smart fielder, and was a joy to watch. Allen was great, no doubt about it. When he was healthy, he played terrific baseball for the Sox.


12-03-2007, 10:39 AM
I still think the Sox would've won the division in 03 had it not been for the Foulke Koch trade.

I have thought the same thing. The Sox only finished 4 games out that year and the kind of year Foulke had in '03 vs. the kind of year Koch had may have made the difference. What bothered me the most about this is that, at the time, I thought that the Sox had a decent shot of going far in the playoffs if they could only make it because of their top 3 starting pitchers: Loaiza (in his career year), Colon, and Buehrle.

On the other hand, Cotts was great for us in 2005 when we won it all. So, that trade wasn't a total disaster.