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DumpJerry
11-25-2007, 08:45 AM
In the Cleveland Plain Dealer today, sportswriter Paul Hoynes (who has covered the Tribe for 25 years now) continues his year-long series of the "Best I've Ever Seen" at5 each position. Today he declares Randy Johnson the best LHP he's ever seen. Hard to argue with that. Among the best of the rest of LHP's he lists are the Sox' Mark Buehrle and Tommy John (he says Sabathia is the best Indian LHP he's ever seen). The only position left for him to list is Closer (December). The best DH he's ever seen? Big Hurt.

The series can be found at www.cleveland.com/bestever (http://www.cleveland.com/bestever) Enjoy.

Who would be on your list? This is the best you have seen, the best of all time.

JohnTucker0814
11-25-2007, 09:35 AM
I'm only 32 but here are my "best" that I've ever seen:

1B - Don Mattingly
2B - Roberto Alomar
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Ozzie Smith
LF - Rickey Henderson
CF - Ken Griffey Jr.
RF - Vladimir Guerrero
DH - Frank Thomas
RHSP - Pedro Martinez
LHSP - Johan Santana
RP - Mariano Rivera

I saw Pedro pitch in person a few times during his monster seasons with Boston and WOW! He was amazing!

Grzegorz
11-25-2007, 10:02 AM
The best left handed pitcher, in my opinion, was Steve Carlton.

1B - Eddie Murray
2B - Joe Morgan
3B - Mike Schmidt
SS - Gary Templeton
LF - Rickey Henderson
CF - Ken Griffey Jr.
RF - Frank Robinson
C - Johnny Bench
DH - Paul Molitor
RHSP - Bob Gibson
LHSP - Steve Carlton
RP - Mariano Rivera

PalehosePlanet
11-25-2007, 10:15 AM
The best left handed pitcher, in my opinion, was Steve Carlton.

ABSOULTELY agree!! Anytime someone's nickname is as generic as "Lefty" and everyone in both leagues knows who you're talking about has to be the best. Besides the man once won 27 games for a Cardinals team that only won 59 games. WOW! How is that even possible?

To Lefty :gulp:

LITTLE NELL
11-25-2007, 10:32 AM
1B Eddie Murray
2B Nelson Fox
SS Luis Aparicio
3B Mike Schmidt
LF Ted Williams
CF Willie Mays
RF Mickey Mantle(moved from CF)
C Johnny Bench
DH Frank Thomas
RHSP Nolan Ryan
RHSP Roger Cleamons
LHSP Warren Spahn
LHSP Steve Carlton (Honorable Mention to Sandy Koufax)
RP Bruce Sutter
RP Hoyt Wilhelm

These are the best I have seen since 1953.

Grzegorz
11-25-2007, 10:38 AM
What the hell is this poll about? The best ever or the best/most talented players we've ever seen?

JohnTucker0814
11-25-2007, 12:15 PM
What the hell is this poll about? The best ever or the best/most talented players we've ever seen?

I believe the best YOU have ever seen...

PKalltheway
11-25-2007, 01:57 PM
Here's the best that I've seen in my short lifetime:

1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Roberto Alomar
SS: Alex Rodriguez
3B: Scott Rolen
OF: Ken Griffey, Jr.
OF: Andruw Jones
OF: Vladimir Guerrero
RHP: Greg Maddux (Honorable mention to Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez. I'm a little biased since I have actually seen Maddux pitch in person a couple of times.)
LHP: Randy Johnson
RP: Mariano Rivera
DH: Frank Thomas
C: Mike Piazza

ThaSandman
11-25-2007, 02:59 PM
I understand that he is involved in a steroid controversy right now, but how is Barry Bonds not on anyone's list. Even before he had been linked to steroids he was a 3 time MVP, Gold Glove Winner and 40/40 club member. The fact that some people have Andruw Jones or Rickey Henderson above him is absolutely insane. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm sure people with disagree with mine. Nonetheless here is my list.

C - Carlton Fisk
1B - Don Mattingly
2B - Roberto Alomar
3B - George Brett
SS - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Ken Griffey Jr.
RF - Tony Gwynn
DH - Paul Molitor

RSP - Nolan Ryan
LSP - Randy Johnson
CP - Mariano Rivera

eastchicagosoxfan
11-25-2007, 03:44 PM
The best I can recall, from the 1970's to present. I watched the NL and the Cubs after school in the '70's, didn't watch much baseball from '86 to '91, while in college, and since then, have really only watched the Sox.

Catcher Johnny Bench maybe the best ever
First Big Frank his hitting overshadowed his poor throwing.
Second Roberto Alomar before his Sox career
Shortstop Cal Ripken very consistent
Third George Brett or Mike Schmidt. Robin Ventura was better than
his numbers.
Left Rickey Henderson says Rickey should be here
Center Ken Griffey JR. If he could have stayed healthy!
Right Vladimir Guerrero He's got it all
DH Albert Belle He could just flat out kill the ball
RHP Greg Maddux I don't remember Seaver with the Mets, and the
Sox were very good against Clemens.
LHP Johan Santana Brings Nintendo stuff
Closer Dan Quisenberry He was as good as anyone
Utility guy Pete Rose Jack of all trades, master of none
Manager Tommy Lasorda

Paulwny
11-25-2007, 08:15 PM
1b) Cepeda
2b)Alomar
3b) Brett (offense) / Robinson ( defense)
ss) ARod
lf) Williams
cf) Mays/ Mantle
rf) Kaline
c) Bench
dh) Frank/Ortiz
p) Gibson/Koufax
rp) Rivera/ Gossage

Frater Perdurabo
11-25-2007, 08:48 PM
If I were to construct a 25-man roster filled with the best I had ever seen, it would be:

LF Rickey Henderson
RF Barry Bonds (pre-roid Pittsburgh version)
DH Frank Thomas
SS Alex Rodriguez
1B Albert Pujols
3B Mike Schmidt
CF Ken Griffey, Jr.
C Ivan Rodriguez
2B Pete Rose

Bench: Reggie Jackson (OF), Cal Ripken, Jr. (SS/3B), Carlton Fisk (C), George Brett (3B/1B), Tim Raines (OF), Tony Gwynn (OF)

Rotation: Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Johan Santana, Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens

Bullpen: Mariano Rivera, Lee Smith, Trevor Hoffman, Dennis Eckersley, Goose Gossage

I was not alive to see Rose when he regularly played 2B, or Tom Seaver or Steve Carlton during their respective primes. But I have seen each of them play and so I feel free to include them.

My team features two of the four 40-40 players, the current MLB HR single season and career HR leader, six players with 500+ homers, three players with 500+ career steals, the all-time hits leader, the last two players to flirt with a .400 average, four of the top five all-time saves leaders, four 300-game winners and one who dominates hitters like no one since Bob Gibson or Sandy Koufax.

D. TODD
11-26-2007, 11:12 AM
ABSOULTELY agree!! Anytime someone's nickname is as generic as "Lefty" and everyone in both leagues knows who you're talking about has to be the best. Besides the man once won 27 games for a Cardinals team that only won 59 games. WOW! How is that even possible?

To Lefty :gulp: I agree "lefty" was the best I've seen. I did not have the pleasure of seeing Koufax live.

D. TODD
11-26-2007, 11:20 AM
1st Frank Thomas
2nd Robbie Alomar (close second to Morgan)
SS Alex Rodriguez!!!!
3b Mike Schmidt
LF Barry Bonds (Ricky Henderson a not so close second)
CF Ken Griffey JR.
RF Tony Gwynn
C Johnny Bench
LHP Steve Carlton
Rhp Doc Gooden (short term) Perdo Martinez (long term)
RELIEF Mariano Rivera