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bumptious987
11-15-2007, 12:25 PM
SI just posted an article by Verducci chronicling how Towers builds his bullpen. I figured Kenny could learn a thing or two:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/11/13/padres.relief/1.html

broker3d
11-15-2007, 12:29 PM
good read.

spawn
11-15-2007, 12:29 PM
SI just posted an article by Verducci chronicling how Towers builds his bullpen. I figured Kenny could learn a thing or two:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/11/13/padres.relief/1.html
Maybe Towers can learn a thing or two from Kenny on how to build a World Series Champion. :rolleyes:

balke
11-15-2007, 12:31 PM
Falling starters - Hermanson
Stay away from high priced relievers- Flash Gordon
Deception in Delivery - Shingo
Don't drop players into the 8th - I don't remember this happening. And if it does, is that really the GM's decision?

I'm hoping for a fallen starter to enter the pen, or a young gun acquired in a trade. We'll see how he does.

Domeshot17
11-15-2007, 12:35 PM
While I dont think it should have been an attack at Kenny, Towers is a bullpen genious and this was a cool read.

spawn
11-15-2007, 12:36 PM
While I dont think it should have been an attack at Kenny, Towers is a bullpen genious and this was a cool read.
It was a good read...but the attack on Kenny was pretty stupid.

doublem23
11-15-2007, 12:41 PM
SI just posted an article by Verducci chronicling how Towers builds his bullpen. I figured Kenny could learn a thing or two:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/11/13/padres.relief/1.html

Where does it say have your owner build you an enormous ballpark and have all your pitchers catch lightning in a bottle the same year?

P.S., look at the bullpen Kenny built in 2005... I still forget how ungodly those stats are until I look at them again... But the stat that is really telling is that the six guys who started at least 10 games for the Sox in 2005 pitched nearly 75% of the innings that team threw (1085 2/3 IP of 1475 2/3). That's how you build a good bullpen... Keep them the hell off the field.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml

Tragg
11-15-2007, 12:41 PM
"Falling starters" was the key to our 2005 bullpen. And avoid career middle relievers. Nothing earthshaking there....except that we did the opposite after 2005.
Padres did a nice job of selling real high on LInebrink...took some guts, right in the middle of the race.

jabrch
11-15-2007, 12:47 PM
Where does it say have your owner build you an enormous ballpark and have all your pitchers catch lightning in a bottle the same year?

P.S., look at the bullpen Kenny built in 2005... I still forget how ungodly those stats are until I look at them again... But the stat that is really telling is that the six guys who started at least 10 games for the Sox in 2005 pitched nearly 75% of the innings that team threw (1085 2/3 IP of 1475 2/3). That's how you build a good bullpen... Keep them the hell off the field.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml

Those are two great points Doublem.

UserNameBlank
11-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Where does it say have your owner build you an enormous ballpark and have all your pitchers catch lightning in a bottle the same year?

P.S., look at the bullpen Kenny built in 2005... I still forget how ungodly those stats are until I look at them again... But the stat that is really telling is that the six guys who started at least 10 games for the Sox in 2005 pitched nearly 75% of the innings that team threw (1085 2/3 IP of 1475 2/3). That's how you build a good bullpen... Keep them the hell off the field.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005.shtml

True, and keeping his pitchers out of the American League is another skill that apparently Kenny really needs to work on.

spiffie
11-15-2007, 01:27 PM
"Falling starters" was the key to our 2005 bullpen.
Cliff Politte started 8 games in 1998. He started 8 games in 2000. That's it. He spent the rest of his career save for a few save chances as a middle relief guy. Please for the love of God and all things holy quit trying to make it sound like he was some sort of converted major league starter, as you've doing for a year or more, because it just is not true.

doublem23
11-15-2007, 01:33 PM
True, and keeping his pitchers out of the American League is another skill that apparently Kenny really needs to work on.

We didn't do so hot against the National League last year, either. :tongue:

FedEx227
11-15-2007, 01:44 PM
Do people not realize that MacDougal, Aardsma and Sisco are all falled/failed starters?

FarWestChicago
11-15-2007, 01:45 PM
Do people not realize that MacDougal, Aardsma and Sisco are all falled/failed starters?Well, they're fallen somethings. That's for sure. :redneck

FedEx227
11-15-2007, 01:56 PM
Well, they're fallen somethings. That's for sure. :redneck

MacDougal is a fallen man, every time he throws the damn ball.

Good god son keep your shoulder in.

drewcifer
11-15-2007, 02:01 PM
Do people not realize that MacDougal, Aardsma and Sisco are all falled/failed starters?

Aardsma:
Minor G - 161
Minor GS - 11

Major G - 81
Major GS - 0

MacDougal:
Minor G - 137
Minor GS - 87

Major G - 241
Major GS - 3

Sisco
Minor G - 95
Minor GS - 80

Major G - 151
Major GS -0

None of them is a falled/failed Major League starter as they were never put in starters role or a rotation. You could argue that Sisco was converted upon his move up, and McDougal maybe somewhere along the way up, but none of these 3 have any kind of SP experience in the bigs.

voodoochile
11-15-2007, 02:04 PM
Do people not realize that MacDougal, Aardsma and Sisco are all falled/failed starters?

Almost all major league relievers are starters when they are drafted. It's not unheard of but it's not common for teams to draft college relievers.

Any guy with a good enough arm to pitch in the majors is too valuable at the amateur level to waste in the pen...

mjmcend
11-15-2007, 02:09 PM
Do people not realize that MacDougal, Aardsma and Sisco are all falled/failed starters?

Damn near ever reliever is a failed starter.