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jabrch
10-31-2007, 10:30 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/2007-10-31-elias-rankings-complete_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Elias didn't put Silva as a Type A FA....OR A TYPE B FA. That means he isn't in the top 60% of MLB SP, according to the experts who rank them.

That should put an end to Silva = Garland...

santo=dorf
11-01-2007, 06:43 PM
I'd hardly put much merit in those rankings.
JD Drew was an "A" but Granderson was a "B"

AJ was an "A" as was Vazquez, but Buehrle was a "B"

Interesting list none the less.

jsg-07
12-06-2007, 09:54 AM
I did not want to start an entirely new thread on this because this one already existed but I wanted to know what you all think of him.

From what I have read in other threads, it seems like this guy is the worst pitcher in the Majors.

I dont know, he seems to have good career numbers and pitches a lot of innings, why not give him a try as a back end starter?? If Floyd and Danks turn out to be good, we can maybe trade him at the deadline.

In the mean time, you have insurance for one of those guys, plus Jose (who could either be a stud or a flop next year).

Keep in mind, before I get bashed for this, it is merely a question, not saying the sox should or shouldnt do it, but I guess i dont understand why all the hate.

dickallen15
12-06-2007, 09:59 AM
His career ERA is 0.03 higher that Javier Vazquez's.

The Immigrant
12-06-2007, 10:39 AM
His career ERA is 0.03 higher that Javier Vazquez's.

Silva's only been a starter for 4 years and his numbers are trending the wrong way. Expect that difference in ERA to grow.

soxinem1
12-06-2007, 04:53 PM
He's not worth anywhere close to the 5 year, $50 million deal he is reportedly seeking.

rowand33
12-06-2007, 04:58 PM
He's the epitome of the word "fine"

RichH55
12-07-2007, 01:33 PM
He's the epitome of the word "fine"


I would say "bad

spiffie
12-07-2007, 01:37 PM
Silva's only been a starter for 4 years and his numbers are trending the wrong way. Expect that difference in ERA to grow.
2004 - 4.21
2005 - 3.44
2006 - 5.94
2007 - 4.19

Not sure how that's trending the wrong way. He had one year better than average for him, one year below average for him, and two years right around his career average.

Zisk77
12-07-2007, 01:48 PM
ERA is not a good indicator for Silva. The twinkies routinely yank him after 5 innings (and therefore he doesn't get shelled much)because he blows and their bullpen rocks. Silva is the epitome of the "5 and fly" guy.

Garland > Silva

spiffie
12-07-2007, 02:37 PM
ERA is not a good indicator for Silva. The twinkies routinely yank him after 5 innings (and therefore he doesn't get shelled much)because he blows and their bullpen rocks. Silva is the epitome of the "5 and fly" guy.

Garland > Silva
Silva's IP (IP/start):
2004 - 203 in 33 starts (6.15)
2005 - 188.33 in 27 starts (6.98)
2006 - 173.33 in 31 starts (5.59)
2007 - 202 in 33 starts (6.12)
Total - 766.66 in 124 starts (6.18 in/start)

Last year in 33 starts Silva pitched into the 5th inning 30 of 33 times, into the 6th inning 26 of 33 times, the 7th inning 16 times, and the 8th and beyond 5 times.

The Immigrant
12-07-2007, 02:47 PM
2005 - 3.44
2006 - 5.94

Not sure how that's trending the wrong way.

That's how.

spiffie
12-07-2007, 02:51 PM
That's how.
Mark Buehrle:
2005 - 3.12
2006 - 4.99

A trend is only a trend if it keeps going in that direction. The removal of 2007 from your list just proves that point.

rowand33
12-07-2007, 03:48 PM
I would say "bad

I'd take him over Floyd.

JB98
12-07-2007, 06:50 PM
Juan Uribe owns Carlos Silva.

FarWestChicago
12-07-2007, 08:09 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/2007-10-31-elias-rankings-complete_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

Elias didn't put Silva as a Type A FA....OR A TYPE B FA. That means he isn't in the top 60% of MLB SP, according to the experts who rank them.

That should put an end to Silva = Garland...Carlos Silva is better than any player who ever played for the Sox. Just ask HomeFish, Lip or champagne.

chaerulez
12-07-2007, 08:14 PM
I did not want to start an entirely new thread on this because this one already existed but I wanted to know what you all think of him.

From what I have read in other threads, it seems like this guy is the worst pitcher in the Majors.

I dont know, he seems to have good career numbers and pitches a lot of innings, why not give him a try as a back end starter?? If Floyd and Danks turn out to be good, we can maybe trade him at the deadline.

In the mean time, you have insurance for one of those guys, plus Jose (who could either be a stud or a flop next year).

Keep in mind, before I get bashed for this, it is merely a question, not saying the sox should or shouldnt do it, but I guess i dont understand why all the hate.

Carlos Silva is an average pitcher. I don't get either why people don't think he's worth $10 million a year. That's how much the market has gone up for average starting pitching. Gil Meche, Ted Lilly... if Barry Zito is getting $18 million a year to have a ERA+ of 98, how is paying Silva $10 million a year to have a ERA+ 103 any worse?

Do I think the White Sox need him? Not really. I think I'd rather try out young talent and see what we got because I'd rather see a bullpen upgrade and Fukudome. Garland's career ERA+ is 106, Silva is 102. Factor in Garland actually strikes out more batters, he is a better pitcher, but not by much.