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It's Time
10-29-2007, 03:04 PM
Who was the best White Sox CF you have seen over the last 30 years? Imo, it was Chet.

Mr.1Dog
10-29-2007, 03:21 PM
:?:No love for the One Dog?

chisox77
10-29-2007, 03:32 PM
I love Aaron, but Chet Lemon was better. He had more range, more speed, a strong throwing arm, with the exception of Aaron's 2004 (.310) and 2007 (.313) seasons, was also a better hitter with good power and RBI production.

Chet also played on White Sox teams with little talent. He later proved his worth with the 1984 Detroit Tigers, where he flourished as an excellent player.

:cool:

Lip Man 1
10-29-2007, 03:58 PM
In my book Chet was the second best that I've seen, Jim Landis being the absolute best.

Other great Sox center fielders were Ken Berry and Mike Hershberger. Aaron was certainly very, very good as a fielder.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=2719

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=2961

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=2098

Lip

Scottiehaswheels
10-29-2007, 04:18 PM
No love for Brian Anderson?!

JorgeFabregas
10-29-2007, 04:25 PM
No love for Brian Anderson?!
Well, I've only been a Sox fan for 15 years or so, but he's the best I've seen defensively.

soxinem1
10-29-2007, 05:32 PM
Rudy Law? Lance Johnson? Dave Gallagher? Gary Redus? Daryl Boston?

chisoxmike
10-29-2007, 05:41 PM
Jerry Owens.

SOXBOY
10-29-2007, 05:47 PM
Without question Chet!

misty60481
10-29-2007, 06:08 PM
Jim Landis without a doubt, remember he played in old Comiskey, if he would have played at the Cell the other 2 outfielders could have stayed on the bench. Also his HR. totals would have been much higher.

DumpJerry
10-29-2007, 06:24 PM
Since the poll question is who is a better CF? and did not limit to a specific team or time period, I had to vote "other" since in the history of baseball, there have been better CRers than the two listed.

If it is between Lemon and Rowand, Lemon hands down. Rowand sucks.

CLR01
10-29-2007, 06:29 PM
Since the poll question is who is a better CF? and did not limit to a specific team or time period, I had to vote "other" since in the history of baseball, there have been better CRers than the two listed.

If it is between Lemon and Rowand, Lemon hands down. Rowand sucks.


I owe you a cheesecake.

soxinem1
10-29-2007, 06:35 PM
Ron LeFlore? Vance Law?

Johnny Mostil
10-29-2007, 06:36 PM
Rudy Law? Lance Johnson? Dave Gallagher? Gary Redus? Daryl Boston?

Pshaw. John Cangelosi . . .

thegooch
10-29-2007, 07:16 PM
The Jose Valentin experiment?

MDF3530
10-29-2007, 07:49 PM
Dave Martinez.

He was automatically the best defensively in that outfield, with Maggs doing slapstick in right and the "Gone Fishin'" sign in left that was Carlos Lee.

WhiteSox5187
10-29-2007, 07:52 PM
I never saw Chet Lemon play but my dad is not a big fan of Chet Lemon so on those grounds I don't think I can vote for him. He claims (and he's sitting next to me) "he was never as good as his stats indicated. His hits came when the game was out of reach, his RBIs came when the game was out of reach [kind of like the Sox fan's Ron Santo arguement], he was stupid on the basepaths and stupid in the field." So, take from that what you will. My dad also told me a story of when he was working with the Sox and was for some reason sitting next to Bill Veeck in the pressbox (which my dad rarely did) and Chet did his typical dive into first, to which my dad said to Bill "Ya know, Chet is one of those players you have to watch every day to see how little he contributes to the team," to which Bill replied "You're exactly right."So again, take from that what you will. I think we tend to romanticize him a bit now (cuz my dad is certainly not an idiot when it comes to baseball, unlike me) and see his stats and go "Whoa!" But again forget what he actually contributed in the game.

Oblong
10-29-2007, 07:57 PM
We did a Tiger HOF on my Tiger site and when Lemon came up I was shocked to find out he didn't have more steals. Only 58 for his career, with 13 being a career high in 1976.

Can anyone here verify his middle name? I would swear growing up I'd always hear George Kell say Chester Carl Lemon but now on baseball reference it says Earl. Don't tell me all these years I was hearing his georgia draw incorrectly.

Paulwny
10-29-2007, 08:20 PM
We did a Tiger HOF on my Tiger site and when Lemon came up I was shocked to find out he didn't have more steals. Only 58 for his career, with 13 being a career high in 1976.

Can anyone here verify his middle name? I would swear growing up I'd always hear George Kell say Chester Carl Lemon but now on baseball reference it says Earl. Don't tell me all these years I was hearing his georgia draw incorrectly.

Baseball Almanac and Baseball Cube both have Earl as his middle name.

Railsplitter
10-29-2007, 08:42 PM
Lance Johnson

PaleHoseGeorge
10-29-2007, 08:48 PM
Just since 1975...

1. Chet Lemon
2. Lance Johnson
3. Rudy Law
4. Mike Cameron
5. Aaron Rowand
6. Chris Singleton

DumpJerry
10-29-2007, 09:47 PM
Now, if this poll were about Left Field....hands down this guy:
:pudge

TornLabrum
10-29-2007, 10:45 PM
In my book Chet was the second best that I've seen, Jim Landis being the absolute best.

What? Better than Ken Berry?????

Lip Man 1
10-29-2007, 10:48 PM
Hal:

I know what you mean but overall Chet was a better player then 'the Bandit,' with no disrespect to Kenny. Remember when Chet roamed CF at Comiskey Park it was 445 feet to the CF bleachers, that's a LOT more room.

Lip

tacosalbarojas
10-29-2007, 11:54 PM
The Jose Valentin experiment? While we're at it...Julio Ramirez.

wassagstdu
10-30-2007, 06:59 AM
Jim Landis

ode to veeck
10-30-2007, 09:56 AM
Just since 1975...

1. Chet Lemon
2. Lance Johnson
3. Rudy Law
4. Mike Cameron
5. Aaron Rowand
6. Chris Singleton

Not a bad list, I remember Chet regularly getting to and even trying to go up the cinderblock wall at 440 in dead center (& a little longer in the corners of that same wall). Lance was damn great too. In the few games I saw him play, Brian Anderson was in the same class defensively as Chet and Lance though. Seeing him live reminded me of the 1st games I saw Crede at 3rd base, just marveling at several plays in a single game, tough ones with ease, and at least one you wouldn't expect anyone to get.

I'll never forget Aaron's defense taking over that Yankees series in the heat of the '05 season though either. His D in center really did improve over his Sox tenure, as he had been moved over from the corners to fill Singleton's spot. West and I were at BP in Oakland during Aaron's 1st year as a starter and a nice looking young lady asked me if I could see which OF shagging BP fly balls was Aaron through my long camera lens (I was taking a few pics at the time). I answered "that's easy, just look for the guy bouncing off the walls out there". Turned out she was Aaron's cousin from Vacaville, there with the family and Aaron's uncle to see him play.

soxinem1
10-30-2007, 12:53 PM
Kenny Williams was a good CF until he became a 3B with a broken foot.

D. TODD
10-30-2007, 02:15 PM
Between those two, Chet Lemon and it's not even close.

Soxfest
10-30-2007, 03:49 PM
Chester Earl Lemon hands down!:D:

RCWHITESOX
10-30-2007, 03:50 PM
Jim Landis and Ken Berry hands down.

SBSoxFan
10-30-2007, 04:59 PM
A vision of Lemon dropping balls in CF with that bull**** one-handed catch of his sits in my head. Maybe he was better than that.

SBSoxFan
10-30-2007, 05:02 PM
We did a Tiger HOF on my Tiger site and when Lemon came up I was shocked to find out he didn't have more steals. Only 58 for his career, with 13 being a career high in 1976.

and 76 caught stealing! :o:

October26
10-30-2007, 05:13 PM
I love Aaron, but Chet Lemon was better. He had more range, more speed, a strong throwing arm, with the exception of Aaron's 2004 (.310) and 2007 (.313) seasons, was also a better hitter with good power and RBI production.

Chet also played on White Sox teams with little talent. He later proved his worth with the 1984 Detroit Tigers, where he flourished as an excellent player.

:cool:

:thumbsup: I agree with you. It is difficult to compare players across eras but I would have to go with Chet over Aaron. Your post also reminded me of how much fun I had watching Chet Lemon play for those BAD White Sox teams in the late 70's (the 1977 team being the exception). I was really sad when I saw Chet play for the '84 Tigers, because my dream was to see him play for the White Sox in a World Series. Chet was one of my favorite Sox players when I was a kid and I had the opportunity to meet him, speak with him and get his autograph at last year's Sox fest. What a thrill! :bandance:

HITMEN OF 77
10-31-2007, 11:25 AM
Chet Lemon followed by Ken Berry and Aaron Rowand.

Law11
10-31-2007, 06:29 PM
Rudy Law.. Hence the tag name..

johnr1note
10-31-2007, 06:42 PM
Ken Berry is the best defensive center fielder I have ever seen put on a White Sox uniform. Hands down.

Statistically speaking, Chet was a better hitter than ken, but Ken played in an ere when Batting averages were deflated, and he was no slouch at the plate.

And statistically, Chet is apparently the better outfielder, but I Ken just seemed to do it better, from my viewpoint.

nccwsfan
11-02-2007, 09:22 AM
Chet Lemon- my first White Sox fan favorite!

In 12 months it could be Torii Hunter

DannyCaterFan
11-02-2007, 10:18 PM
Those of us around in the 60's know it could be a toss up between Ken Berry or Jim Landis, then I would go with Aaron Rowand and Chet Lemon.

Ziggy S
11-03-2007, 02:34 AM
1-Dog, hands down. I saw him get to just about every fly ball hit his way and singles did not turn into doubles and/or triples when Lance was out there. If, Schueler wouldn't have been such a stubborn fool, 1-Dog would have been re-signed and the Good Guys would have been in the playoffs in '96, even with Bevington as manager, but then again the Darren Lewis and Dave Martinez platoon worked out much better and besides the Sox saved money. Isn't that what counts?

misty60481
11-03-2007, 07:05 AM
Its really not fair to compare CFs that played in old Comiskey to the new park. The old park had a lot more ground to cover and the outfielders had to have stronger arms. I dont think its fair to compare hitters power numbers from old park to new park either---antbody remember Jim Busby ?????

TornLabrum
11-03-2007, 08:04 AM
Its really not fair to compare CFs that played in old Comiskey to the new park. The old park had a lot more ground to cover and the outfielders had to have stronger arms. I dont think its fair to compare hitters power numbers from old park to new park either---antbody remember Jim Busby ?????

Barely. Frank Lane traded him for the last time just as I was becoming a fan.

Lip Man 1
11-03-2007, 11:55 AM
Busby was part of the original group that started the 'go-go' Sox in 1951. He, Fox and Minoso jump started a dead franchise.

Fans were royally upset when Lane dealt him the first time I think in the Doby deal.

Lip

Cambridge
11-03-2007, 09:57 PM
As someone who doesn't see White Sox games on a daily basis, I'd have to give Lemon the edge over Rowand. As the poll says "in the last 30 years," I'd be inclined to give the nod to Berry over Lemon -- however Berry, while still playing, wasn't in a White Sox uniform during that period.

TheVulture
11-04-2007, 12:35 PM
If we're talking best CFer to wear a sox uniform in the last 30 years, and by best CFer I assume you mean with the glove, I'd have to go with Mike Cameron hands-down.

TheVulture
11-04-2007, 12:37 PM
As someone who doesn't see White Sox games on a daily basis, I'd have to give Lemon the edge over Rowand. As the poll says "in the last 30 years," I'd be inclined to give the nod to Berry over Lemon -- however Berry, while still playing, wasn't in a White Sox uniform during that period.

Berry retired after '75 according to my diligent research, ie baseball-reference.com.

gaelhound
11-05-2007, 12:28 AM
Ken Berrry, When he played they called him the "Moat". Was there also a Ken Henderson for a few seasons?