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Soxfest
10-29-2007, 02:07 AM
Last 3 times Red Sox won the World Series 1916,1918, and 2004, the White Sox went to the World Series the following year. :D:

Shoeless_Jeff
10-29-2007, 02:49 AM
Heh, this is one of the reasons, I told people, that I was for the Wrong Sox in the WS. I really hope that this is one of those iron clad patterns that somehow always comes true. I doubt it, though.

Also, this is my first post. I've been lurking here a while... so hi everyone.:smile:

It's Dankerific
10-29-2007, 03:29 AM
Last 3 times Red Sox won the World Series 1916,1918, and 2004, the White Sox went to the World Series the following year. :D:

We also won every world series in that pattern that we didn't throw =)

October26
10-29-2007, 08:34 AM
Heh, this is one of the reasons, I told people, that I was for the Wrong Sox in the WS. I really hope that this is one of those iron clad patterns that somehow always comes true. I doubt it, though.

Also, this is my first post. I've been lurking here a while... so hi everyone.:smile:

The Sox need some serious revamping to even sniff a World Series in 2008, my friend. Having said that:

:welcome: I look forward to talking some WHITE SOX baseball with you!

chisoxmike
10-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Mmmmmm, no. The Sox have a long way to go before they get back to the playoffs, let alone a World Series.

This is a very Cub-like way of thinking. "Well, since the Red Sox and White Sox ended their droughts, we're next! WOO-HOO!"

spiffie
10-29-2007, 09:44 AM
Mmmmmm, no. The Sox have a long way to go before they get back to the playoffs, let alone a World Series.

This is a very Cub-like way of thinking. "Well, since the Red Sox and White Sox ended their droughts, we're next! WOO-HOO!"
I did think that after the Red Sox won in 2004, and that worked out okay.

That said, I would bet a dollar on the Sox at 75-1 for next year. I would not however bet five dollars, as I don't like to throw money away more than $1 at a time.

jabrch
10-29-2007, 10:29 AM
That said, I would bet a dollar on the Sox at 75-1 for next year.


I would be stunned if the Vegas odds were anywhere close to 75:1 on us next year by the time opening day comes around.

spiffie
10-29-2007, 10:34 AM
I would be stunned if the Vegas odds were anywhere close to 75:1 on us next year by the time opening day comes around.
Vegas odds will be lower because, even though we might be number two in our city in terms of fans, we're still substantial. There will always be a good amount of White Sox action.

That said, unless Kenny Williams pulls so many rabbits out of his hat that all the magicians of the world retire in shame, I don't see how anyone could see this team as a 2008 World Series contender. If anyone can do it, it likely is Kenny Williams. But the economics of the game have changed the last few years. The ability to sign a lot of good, but not great players, and win that way has been diminished due to everyone spending more. You need either tons of money to sign those guys, or a lot of help from young, cheap players. Our young guys don't seem to have much to offer for next year. Our veterans are what they are. I just hope we're better than this year, with something to point towards for 2009 and beyond.

TDog
10-29-2007, 11:42 AM
Last 3 times Red Sox won the World Series 1916,1918, and 2004, the White Sox went to the World Series the following year. :D:


In other words, it's our turn?

Going into the 2006 season, Cubs fans may have said that the last two times the White Sox won the World Series, the Cubs made it to the Fall Classic the following season. That hadn't happened since World War I, of course. The "it's our turn" thing is more suitable to fans whose world view involves curses.

Vegas odds, of course, are more apt to reflect such outlandish superstition than reality.

oeo
10-29-2007, 12:53 PM
Mmmmmm, no. The Sox have a long way to go before they get back to the playoffs, let alone a World Series.

People said the same thing after the 2004 season. I'm sure you saw a title coming at this time three years ago.

They have some changes to make, but they also have the whole offseason in front of them to do it. Let's see what happens there before we're a long way from the playoffs.

I'm not saying we're going to make the playoffs next year, but let's at least wait to see what our 2008 team is going to look like.

champagne030
10-29-2007, 01:24 PM
People said the same thing after the 2004 season. I'm sure you saw a title coming at this time three years ago.

They have some changes to make, but they also have the whole offseason in front of them to do it. Let's see what happens there before we're a long way from the playoffs.

I'm not saying we're going to make the playoffs next year, but let's at least wait to see what our 2008 team is going to look like.

Ahhh, the old you can't complain before or after 7/14 because it's too early or hindsight is always 20/20 line...........

oeo
10-29-2007, 01:28 PM
Ahhh, the old you can't complain before or after 7/14 because it's too early or hindsight is always 20/20 line...........

Ahhh, the old, I have nothing to say so I'll just type some bull**** that makes no sense.

:?:

soxfan26
10-29-2007, 01:35 PM
I'm not saying we're going to make the playoffs next year, but let's at least wait to see what our 2008 team is going to look like.

Blasphemy! We all know this historical pattern will lead us back to the fall classic no matter who pitches out of the bullpen!

champagne030
10-29-2007, 01:38 PM
Ahhh, the old, I have nothing to say so I'll just type some bull**** that makes no sense.

:?:

What's the bull****? Some guy says we're a lot of changes away from competing for a playoff spot, let alone the World Series and he's told to keep quiet because it's too early. :?:

Sure, it's too early to say that the Sox have no chance of the postseason in '08, but A LOT of major upgrades need to place. That said, you watch.....lots of people are going to be complaining about the fortunes of our team leading up to opening day and a steady parade of posters will tell them that not even one game that counts has been played yet. Then, if the Sox play ****ty though June the same parade of posters will say that it's too early in the season to complain and quit being a pants pisser. Then, if the Sox are completely buried out of contention, the usual suspects will tell anyone complaining that it's easy to complain when hindsight is 20/20. When is it okay to complain about the club? :dunno:

oeo
10-29-2007, 01:47 PM
What's the bull****? Some guy says we're a lot of changes away from competing for a playoff spot, let alone the World Series and he's told to keep quiet because it's too early. :?:

When did I tell him to keep quiet? :?:

I was merely pointing out that there is still a lot of time for that to change...then you came in with some crap about a hindsight is 20/20 line.

Sure, it's too early to say that the Sox have no chance of the postseason in '08, but A LOT of major upgrades need to place. That said, you watch.....lots of people are going to be complaining about the fortunes of our team leading up to opening day and a steady parade of posters will tell them that not even one game that counts has been played yet. Then, if the Sox play ****ty though June the same parade of posters will say that it's too early in the season to complain and quit being a pants pisser. Then, if the Sox are completely buried out of contention, the usual suspects will tell anyone complaining that it's easy to complain when hindsight is 20/20. When is it okay to complain about the club? :dunno:When did I ever say that we didn't need changes? I actually said it in my post that we needed to make a lot of changes. Go ahead and read it again.

You're making no sense right now. The original poster wasn't even doing any complaining, and I didn't tell him to shut his mouth. You must be in the wrong thread. :dunno:

manders_01
10-29-2007, 02:46 PM
LOL I also noticed another little part to this pattern - the loser of the BoSox winning World Series won 2 years later last time. So I'm thinkin White Sox in '08, Rockies in '09! :D:

chisox77
10-29-2007, 03:03 PM
I would like to think things will work out that way . . . it's a nice warm thought, but the White Sox will need a productive offseason to be in a position to make such a thing happen again, at any time within the next two to three seasons.

However, I will not rule it out as a possibility. You just never know.

:cool:

WhiteSoxJunkie
10-30-2007, 05:47 PM
How about this, the last 2 times the Red Sox won the World Series, nobody won the Stanley Cup the following year. There was an influenza epidemic in 1919 that cancelled the Stanley Cup, and of course the lockout in 2005.

soxinem1
10-30-2007, 06:03 PM
I sure hope so, but as I noted in a previous post, the White Sox record in years ending with '8' is not very good.

We shall see, as I hope the '8' ball is knocked out!

Crede24Thome25
10-30-2007, 06:41 PM
I've been thinking the same thing it's been 3 years since the red sox won their world series and they just won, it'll be 3 years for the white sox next year. The red sox ended their 80 something year drought and right after them the white sox ended their 88 year drought. Man that would be so awesome if it could really happen.
check out my sox site at www.freewebs.com/kennysmemorabilia (http://www.freewebs.com/kennysmemorabilia)

A. Cavatica
10-30-2007, 07:36 PM
How about this, the last 2 times the Red Sox won the World Series, nobody won the Stanley Cup the following year. There was an influenza epidemic in 1919 that cancelled the Stanley Cup, and of course the lockout in 2005.

Junkie, what's your sig saying? That Street & Smith's is showing improvement, since their fourth place picks are gradually performing worse?

Bucky F. Dent
10-30-2007, 08:53 PM
Yeah they can make the Series again.

IMHO, if Crede is healthy, they need to make four moves, They need to bring two good arms into the pen. They need a new shortstop. They need a new centerfielder.

With Crede back and those four pieces in place, they can compete with anybody in the majors.

If Crede isn't healthy, it starts to get fuzzier in my opinion.

Frontman
10-30-2007, 09:10 PM
Every team has the same exact chance of getting to the WS in 2008, as not a single game has been played yet of the 2008 season.

That "magical" thinking is for approximately 10 miles north of US Cellular Field.

The Sox have quite a bit of work ahead of them before I'd lay money down on them.

Anything can happen, that's the beauty of baseball.

WhiteSoxJunkie
10-31-2007, 12:16 PM
Junkie, what's your sig saying? That Street & Smith's is showing improvement, since their fourth place picks are gradually performing worse?

Haha no. It's just that I buy that magazine every year and at least one team that they pick to finish 4th ends up contending for the World Series, and in some cases win it. Another wierd coincidence about Street & Smith is that the only time their World Series prediction comes true is when they pick the Red Sox to win.

jabrch
10-31-2007, 12:54 PM
Vegas odds will be lower because, even though we might be number two in our city in terms of fans, we're still substantial. There will always be a good amount of White Sox action.

So you are saying that if it weren't for money flows, and if they just went on likelihood of winning, the Sox would be a 75:1 team?


Really?

I doubt it....

This is not the same issue as the Cubs/Yanks/Red Sox where their odds are strongly impacted by moneyflow to be depressed from their actually likelihood of winning. In fact, the Sox become a value play for that reason - they aren't OUT of it like KC, Pitt, etc. when the season starts, and they aren't a money favorite like the big 3. If there was a casino that put the Sox at 75:1, I'd be all over it. Not because I am sure they will win - but because that's wonderful value for your money.

spiffie
10-31-2007, 01:04 PM
So you are saying that if it weren't for money flows, and if they just went on likelihood of winning, the Sox would be a 75:1 team?


Really?

I doubt it....

This is not the same issue as the Cubs/Yanks/Red Sox where their odds are strongly impacted by moneyflow to be depressed from their actually likelihood of winning. In fact, the Sox become a value play for that reason - they aren't OUT of it like KC, Pitt, etc. when the season starts, and they aren't a money favorite like the big 3. If there was a casino that put the Sox at 75:1, I'd be all over it. Not because I am sure they will win - but because that's wonderful value for your money.
The true odds will never be 75:1 on a major market team because Vegas would never take that risk.

Okay, I'll grant you at 75:1 it would be tough to pass up those odds. But honestly, looking at MLB right now, and considering the situation the Sox are in right now I cannot put them in the top 15 or possibly even 20 teams that have a chance to win it all next year. I think the future has potential with some of the young kids, but I think 2008 looks to be an ugly transition year as we say goodbye to some of the older expensive vets and try to begin to get younger and faster. If I were to put what I think are honest odds on the Sox, I'd say somewhere around 40:1 up to 50:1.

TDog
10-31-2007, 02:37 PM
The true odds will never be 75:1 on a major market team because Vegas would never take that risk.

Okay, I'll grant you at 75:1 it would be tough to pass up those odds. But honestly, looking at MLB right now, and considering the situation the Sox are in right now I cannot put them in the top 15 or possibly even 20 teams that have a chance to win it all next year. I think the future has potential with some of the young kids, but I think 2008 looks to be an ugly transition year as we say goodbye to some of the older expensive vets and try to begin to get younger and faster. If I were to put what I think are honest odds on the Sox, I'd say somewhere around 40:1 up to 50:1.

But, of course, the odds are meaningless.

champagne030
10-31-2007, 03:32 PM
The true odds will never be 75:1 on a major market team because Vegas would never take that risk.

Okay, I'll grant you at 75:1 it would be tough to pass up those odds. But honestly, looking at MLB right now, and considering the situation the Sox are in right now I cannot put them in the top 15 or possibly even 20 teams that have a chance to win it all next year. I think the future has potential with some of the young kids, but I think 2008 looks to be an ugly transition year as we say goodbye to some of the older expensive vets and try to begin to get younger and faster. If I were to put what I think are honest odds on the Sox, I'd say somewhere around 40:1 up to 50:1.

They're at 50-1 right now....tied with the Marlins and Astros. The Giants are next at 60-1 and then you fall to the Reds, Orioles and Rangers of the world at 100-1. I got 50-1 in January of 2005. They did fall as the season got closer to starting.....

jabrch
10-31-2007, 03:45 PM
The true odds will never be 75:1 on a major market team because Vegas would never take that risk.

It happens all the time - but with teams that have almost no chance to win their division or the WC.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-31-2007, 07:05 PM
The Las Vegas betting odds for baseball championships are basically for suckers. They know the people betting on these teams are mostly betting with their heart. Not even the Keno lounge generates a fatter profit per bet.

Everybody enjoy your souvenir betting tote. The payout is a fraction of whatever odds your team actually overcame to make you a winner.

LongLiveFisk
10-31-2007, 07:15 PM
It's a nice thought but intellectually I can't buy into it.