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Fenway
10-24-2007, 09:50 AM
This column in the Boston Globe sums up how the fanbase has changed and not for the better. Fans 40 and older act far differently than people in their 20's and 30's.

My son is 15. He has seen 3 Super Bowl wins and now his second World Series. To him the losers are the Bruins and Celtics. His world is far different than mine. He is cocky about the Red Sox....something I never could be.

The Red Sox Nation fans you hate are a product of the ESPN generation.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/24/with_the_red_sox_victories_comes_a_loss_of_angst/


We're rolling sevens everywhere. The perennial bridesmaid is now the odds-on favorite - two-to-one against Colorado, according to the Vegas line. Phones are ringing. Far-flung friends and family members are calling - tell us what it's like, fill us in on the excitement, don't spare a single detail of the city's singular swagger.

So shouldn't it feel better than it does?

Tom Menino was sitting in his City Hall office yesterday saying what needed to be said. "This is different. In 2004, we never had a taste." He paused, then added, "When you think about Boston, 1 in 3 Bostonians is 20 to 34 years old. You and I know what it's like to lose. They don't."
Which means they don't know about our angst. It was our blanket, our source of comfort, our common bond. If angst were a natural resource, we could have had factories packaging it up 24 hours a day and shipping it to every part of the world.

As it was, we claimed all the angst for ourselves, though the good people of Chicago seemed to have their own supply. Red Sox fans could always blame our misfortunes on New York's payroll, Boston's mismanagement, free agents' unwillingness to come here. It gave us our status as perennial underdogs, the lovable spectacle. We wore that suit, frayed as it sometimes seemed, very comfortably.
Without it, what have we become?

And here's the answer we know but dread: Another free-spending, big market team that buys its way into the postseason with every expectation that it will win.

itsnotrequired
10-24-2007, 09:53 AM
I blame fantasy sports.

Fenway
10-24-2007, 10:07 AM
I blame fantasy sports.

ESPN, fantasy sports, the internet....a lot of factors.

My friends DESPISE the younger fanbase that Boston has developed. It has become more than us vs them ( Boston - New York )

I know how brutal the lost weekend in August at USCF had to be for White Sox fans as Red Sox fans never stopped yelling for 4 days..it had to drive White Sox fans bonkers.

I am just pleading do not condemn the Boston fanbase because of the younger fans. It is very similar to what happened with the Cubs.

However the biggest difference in the Red Sox and Cubs fanbase is a Boston fan would NEVER accept losing. They would be out for blood and former GM Lou Gorman found out the hard way.

zach23
10-24-2007, 10:16 AM
Congrats Boston, you have finally become what you always hated so much. You are now the evil empire.
You have become the Yankees.
You are arrogant and expect to win every year because your team spares no expense in signing every player possible. You are no longer the lovable underdog, and instead you have become just another bully.
Your fans are becoming well known as obnoxious boors just like Yankees fans. They definitely have that same arrogant "in-your-face" style that the New York fans have.

So all these years the Boston fans really were not hating New York, they were aching to be just like them. Now they finally are.

It is funny that in this World Series, Colorado is playing the role that the Red Sox used to play. They are the underdog taking on the huge behemoth with the bloated payroll, hired guns, and obnoxious fans.
I hope the Rockies sweep them.

Fenway
10-24-2007, 10:26 AM
Congrats Boston, you have finally become what you always hated so much. You are now the evil empire.
You have become the Yankees.
You are arrogant and expect to win every year because your team spares no expense in signing every player possible. You are no longer the lovable underdog, and instead you have become just another bully.
Your fans are becoming well known as obnoxious boors just like Yankees fans. They definitely have that same arrogant "in-your-face" style that the New York fans have.

So all these years the Boston fans really were not hating New York, they were aching to be just like them. Now they finally are.

It is funny that in this World Series, Colorado is playing the role that the Red Sox used to play. They are the underdog taking on the huge behemoth with the bloated payroll, hired guns, and obnoxious fans.
I hope the Rockies sweep them.

I can't argue with you.

Boston did have to spend more to compete with NYY because they are in the same division.

But now in 5 years they have become more than a baseball team. They own a cable network that may be worth more now than the network VHF stations in town. They have become a real estate tycoon in the Kenmore-Longwood area. Fenway has become a theme park that would make Disney blush.

However the thing I do enjoy from all this is going to Manhattan now wearing a B hat and not having to listen to a Yankees fan brag. After a lifetime of being abused by NYY fans I am enjoying this.

Just remember since 2003 in the playoffs only one team has been able to shut us up

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manders_01
10-24-2007, 10:33 AM
I was thinking about it last night...when they won in 04, I was excited for them. It was a great story.

But now they turned into what is describe above and I loathe them.

GO ROX!

Oblong
10-24-2007, 10:35 AM
Just remember since 2003 in the playoffs only one team has been able to shut us up

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Well the Yankees and Tigers shut you up by denying entry into the playoffs in 2006.

TommyJohn
10-24-2007, 10:39 AM
I can't argue with you.

Boston did have to spend more to compete with NYY because they are in the same division.

But now in 5 years they have become more than a baseball team. They own a cable network that may be worth more now than the network VHF stations in town. They have become a real estate tycoon in the Kenmore-Longwood area. Fenway has become a theme park that would make Disney blush.

However the thing I do enjoy from all this is going to Manhattan now wearing a B hat and not having to listen to a Yankees fan brag. After a lifetime of being abused by NYY fans I am enjoying this.

Just remember since 2003 in the playoffs only one team has been able to shut us up

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:bubUtctotpTErM:http://img.webring.com/r/c/chicagowhitesox/logo (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.webring.com/r/c/chicagowhitesox/logo&imgrefurl=http://ss.webring.com/navbar%3Ff%3Dl%3By%3Dandrea%3Bu%3Dmlbrings&h=372&w=375&sz=26&hl=en&start=6&sig2=yxdO9peyf9I_X1LDn14fkQ&tbnid=bubUtctotpTErM:&tbnh=121&tbnw=122&ei=IFYfR9LsMZiWeOnUmbQM&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchicago%2Bwhite%2Bsox%26gbv%3D2%26svn um%3D10%26hl%3Den)

I dream of the day that the White Sox become a franchise on par with the
Yankees and Red Sox. (Deep pink?)

ChiSoxGirl
10-24-2007, 10:43 AM
ESPN, fantasy sports, the internet....a lot of factors.

My friends DESPISE the younger fanbase that Boston has developed. It has become more than us vs them ( Boston - New York )

I know how brutal the lost weekend in August at USCF had to be for White Sox fans as Red Sox fans never stopped yelling for 4 days..it had to drive White Sox fans bonkers.

I am just pleading do not condemn the Boston fanbase because of the younger fans. It is very similar to what happened with the Cubs.

However the biggest difference in the Red Sox and Cubs fanbase is a Boston fan would NEVER accept losing. They would be out for blood and former GM Lou Gorman found out the hard way.

Oh, it did. My post (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1668452&postcount=65) recapping that weekend series in August, of which I attended the night cap of Friday's doubleheader and the series finale on Sunday, sums it up perfectly. The behavior of the majority of these "fans" was inexcusable. Because of the ridiculousness that occurred at USCF, I absolutely refuse to go to the Red Sox series in '08.

As I said in this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1668497&postcount=72) post, I've gone into opposing ballparks as the visiting fan and not only was I treated well, but I behaved myself. I went to these games in Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Tampa with friends, but we didn't use that as an excuse to behave like tools.

There's a sense of pride that White Sox fans- younger and older- have, and we don't use 88 years of futility as an excuse to act like younger Red Sox (and Cub) fans do. Most of us conduct ourselves accordingly.

AZChiSoxFan
10-24-2007, 10:59 AM
I was thinking about it last night...when they won in 04, I was excited for them. It was a great story.

But now they turned into what is describe above and I loathe them.

GO ROX!

I feel exactly the same way!!

Iwritecode
10-24-2007, 11:01 AM
Which means they don't know about our angst. It was our blanket, our source of comfort, our common bond. If angst were a natural resource, we could have had factories packaging it up 24 hours a day and shipping it to every part of the world.

Holy crap where's the puke tag?

I've never been able to grasp why fans can embrace and take comfort in LOSING.

soxfanatlanta
10-24-2007, 11:04 AM
Holy crap where's the puke tag?

I've never been able to grasp why fans can embrace and take comfort in LOSING.

I was about to write that. The writer loved to be miserable? Cry me a ****ing river. :rolleyes:

Chez
10-24-2007, 12:43 PM
All the real Red Sox fans I know are in their mid 40's or older. Without exception they are among the most knowledgeable, passionate baseball fans I've ever met. They truly love their team. As such, I refuse to jump on the "I hate the Red Sox" wave that's growing here on WSI. My 84 year old mother-in-law watches every game from her assisted living facility in Needham, Mass. I'm supposed to hate her for supporting her team? Was I supposed to root for Cleveland simply because they aren't Boston -- even though Tribe fans have booed Jim Thome every trip to the plate he makes at the Jake? I don't like Manny, I don't like Schilling but hating the Red Sox because the national media loves them seems a bit irrational.

Foulke You
10-24-2007, 01:02 PM
All the real Red Sox fans I know are in their mid 40's or older. Without exception they are among the most knowledgeable, passionate baseball fans I've ever met. They truly love their team. As such, I refuse to jump on the "I hate the Red Sox" wave that's growing here on WSI. My 84 year old mother-in-law watches every game from her assisted living facility in Needham, Mass. I'm supposed to hate her for supporting her team? Was I supposed to root for Cleveland simply because they aren't Boston -- even though Tribe fans have booed Jim Thome every trip to the plate he makes at the Jake? I don't like Manny, I don't like Schilling but hating the Red Sox because the national media loves them seems a bit irrational.
I also refuse to hop on the "Red Sox Hate" train that is in full throttle at WSI. I love visiting the city of Boston and most of the Red Sox fans I talked to while I was there were very friendly and knowledgable. I've had a fairly large sample size too because I went in '02, '03, and '05 for the entire Red Sox/White Sox series plus I spent the whole week in the city each time.

There is definitely a huge difference to me between the diehards that show up at Fenway Park and the "diehards" that show up at Comiskey Park in Chicago. People need to remember that there are a lot of Cubs fans who masquerade as Red Sox fans on the side in our fair city. I'm pretty sure a nice chunk of the Red Sox fans at The Cell in August were of the Cubs/Red Sox variety. I'm not turning a complete blind eye to the arrogance even the real Red Sox fans have developed. However, to say the Red Sox fanbase is a clone of the Cubs fanbase would be incorrect. Red Sox fans know way too much about baseball to be confused with the blue clad morons at Clark and Addison. Cubs fans go to Wrigley to drink beer, watch ivy grow, and chase girls. Nobody goes to Fenway Park to stare at the Green Monster or Pesky's Pole. They go to watch the Red Sox play baseball. You can call them arrogant and annoying but you can't call them Cubs fans. No fanbase deserves that insult.:D:

getonbckthr
10-24-2007, 01:06 PM
I can't argue with you.

Boston did have to spend more to compete with NYY because they are in the same division.

But now in 5 years they have become more than a baseball team. They own a cable network that may be worth more now than the network VHF stations in town. They have become a real estate tycoon in the Kenmore-Longwood area. Fenway has become a theme park that would make Disney blush.

However the thing I do enjoy from all this is going to Manhattan now wearing a B hat and not having to listen to a Yankees fan brag. After a lifetime of being abused by NYY fans I am enjoying this.

Just remember since 2003 in the playoffs only one team has been able to shut us up

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In order to compete with the Yanks they had to get into all those other fields.

thomas35forever
10-24-2007, 02:43 PM
My grandfather, a lifelong Cubs fan, sent me an e-mail the other night about how he is pulling for the Red Sox since they have also been a favorite team of his since watching Ted Williams play. Who can argue with that? It's nice to like a team because they had perhaps the purest hitter to ever play the game. I can respect him for that.

However, I just can't root for the Red Sox due to the Nation and all the hype ESPN gives them. FOX can be just as bad. Joe Buck's final call of the '04 Series had to be the best baseball moment of his life for him, even more so than any World Series his Cardinals have won.

That being said, Go Rockies.

Fenway
10-24-2007, 03:16 PM
In order to compete with the Yanks they had to get into all those other fields.

Yes they did and they have been very creative.

One wonders now if the Steinbrenner sons will do this with the Yankees as well.

I must admit this World Series is different for me as now we are the hunted, the hated team.

Nothing will ever top those 10 crazy days in October of 2004 when Boston went from being dead to champions for the first time in 86 years. I know that will be the #1 sports memory of my life..nothing the Red Sox ever do from now on can top that.

The truth is the Boston Red Sox have become Manchester United ( my favorite team is Manchester City ) or a smaller version of the hated Yankees.

Still when the first pitch is made they are still the team I have loved since I was 6 years old. In 1967 they rewarded all my blind childhood faith. In 1975 that fought a much better Reds team to the final out. In 77 and 78 they killed me by losing heartbreakers to NYY. I left the Bucky Dent game heartbroken and got very, very drunk that night and threw my hat in the Charles saying never more.

The following spring I was with my girlfriend in Florida and we were driving to Disney from Tampa. She had heard me swear all winter that I was done with them. Suddenly on I-4 was a sign

AUBURNDALE
WINTER HAVEN
Exit 2 Miles

My hands started to shake ( Winter Haven was spring training then ) and as we got closer to the exit I sweated more. She started to laugh and said

They play the White Sox at 2 I bought the tickets

I have never looked back

Game 6 at Shea Stadium was as bad as it gets and yet in 2003 they managed to top that fiasco by blowing Game 7 at Yankee Stadium. Yes losing to the Yankees in that fashion stung harder than being one strike away from winning it all. You have to be a Red Sox fan and live in New England to understand that.

I never took comfort in losing EVER.

Fenway
10-24-2007, 04:52 PM
Just talking to my old college roommate in LA. His home is in no danger and he was kidding me that he found the ticket stub from Game 7 of the 75 World Series that we went to together. Face value $ 7.50

Times have changed

itsnotrequired
10-24-2007, 04:55 PM
Just talking to my old college roommate in LA. His home is in no danger and he was kidding me that he found the ticket stub from Game 7 of the 75 World Series that we went to together. Face value $ 7.50

Times have changed

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/smiley/oldman.gif

nysox35
10-24-2007, 05:15 PM
Yes they did and they have been very creative.

One wonders now if the Steinbrenner sons will do this with the Yankees as well.

I must admit this World Series is different for me as now we are the hunted, the hated team.

Nothing will ever top those 10 crazy days in October of 2004 when Boston went from being dead to champions for the first time in 86 years. I know that will be the #1 sports memory of my life..nothing the Red Sox ever do from now on can top that.

The truth is the Boston Red Sox have become Manchester United ( my favorite team is Manchester City ) or a smaller version of the hated Yankees.

Still when the first pitch is made they are still the team I have loved since I was 6 years old. In 1967 they rewarded all my blind childhood faith. In 1975 that fought a much better Reds team to the final out. In 77 and 78 they killed me by losing heartbreakers to NYY. I left the Bucky Dent game heartbroken and got very, very drunk that night and threw my hat in the Charles saying never more.

The following spring I was with my girlfriend in Florida and we were driving to Disney from Tampa. She had heard me swear all winter that I was done with them. Suddenly on I-4 was a sign

AUBURNDALE
WINTER HAVEN
Exit 2 Miles

My hands started to shake ( Winter Haven was spring training then ) and as we got closer to the exit I sweated more. She started to laugh and said

They play the White Sox at 2 I bought the tickets

I have never looked back

Game 6 at Shea Stadium was as bad as it gets and yet in 2003 they managed to top that fiasco by blowing Game 7 at Yankee Stadium. Yes losing to the Yankees in that fashion stung harder than being one strike away from winning it all. You have to be a Red Sox fan and live in New England to understand that.

I never took comfort in losing EVER.

Wow...great post Fenway! That was an awesome read.

LITTLE NELL
10-24-2007, 06:00 PM
What this all comes down to is that MLB has a big problem with the rich getting richer and buying championships. I expect the Red Sox, Yankees and Cubs to contend for years to come. The Royals, Pirates et al dont have a chance on this playing field. Im not a fan of the NFL but they do have their act together as far as parity is concerned.

Grzegorz
10-25-2007, 06:00 AM
The Red Sox are soiled by guys like Ramirez and Papelbon. What ever happened to humility and respect for your opposition?

It's just another example of downward spiral of society.

Screw the Red Sox.

Fenway
10-25-2007, 11:01 AM
Oh, it did. My post (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1668452&postcount=65) recapping that weekend series in August, of which I attended the night cap of Friday's doubleheader and the series finale on Sunday, sums it up perfectly. The behavior of the majority of these "fans" was inexcusable. Because of the ridiculousness that occurred at USCF, I absolutely refuse to go to the Red Sox series in '08.

As I said in this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1668497&postcount=72) post, I've gone into opposing ballparks as the visiting fan and not only was I treated well, but I behaved myself. I went to these games in Pittsburgh, Detroit, and Tampa with friends, but we didn't use that as an excuse to behave like tools.

There's a sense of pride that White Sox fans- younger and older- have, and we don't use 88 years of futility as an excuse to act like younger Red Sox (and Cub) fans do. Most of us conduct ourselves accordingly.

I was there and know it was a brutal weekend for White Sox fans.

But let's be honest, it wasn't the Red Sox fans that made it brutal, it was the horrific play of the White Sox that weekend.

If you think there were a lot of Red Sox fans at The Cell that weekend you should have seen what happened in Baltimore where the Boston fans numbered close to 30,000. The Oriole fans had the last laugh however as the O's took 2 of 3. That shut the Boston fans up.

October26
10-25-2007, 12:03 PM
Fenway, you seem like a very knowledgeable fan and I enjoy your posts here on WSI (although a few of the recent ones I've chosen to ignore). I am happy for you that your red sox are in the World Series, since I believe you are a long time fan. But here's a message for the younger boston fans (the ones we all associate with Red Sox Nation). In life and in baseball, what goes around comes around. Enjoy being on top of the world now, because things might not be so rosy in the future.

I used to like the Red Sox back in the day (1975, 1986) but I am so turned off by all the hype around that team now that I am in the DISINTERESTED category. I was so bored with last night's game that I went to sleep at 9:15 pm.

Fenway
10-25-2007, 12:26 PM
Fenway, you seem like a very knowledgeable fan and I enjoy your posts here on WSI (although a few of the recent ones I've chosen to ignore). I am happy for you that your red sox are in the World Series, since I believe you are a long time fan. But here's a message for the younger boston fans (the ones we all associate with Red Sox Nation). In life and in baseball, what goes around comes around. Enjoy being on top of the world now, because things might not be so rosy in the future.

I used to like the Red Sox back in the day (1975, 1986) but I am so turned off by all the hype around that team now that I am in the DISINTERESTED category. I was so bored with last night's game that I went to sleep at 9:15 pm.

I miss the days when there would be 14,000 FANS freezing in the park during the first week of the season.

What I don't get is Patriots fans do not act this way. It drives me nuts.

Grzegorz
10-26-2007, 05:53 AM
But let's be honest, it wasn't the Red Sox fans that made it brutal, it was the horrific play of the White Sox that weekend.


Are you saying that the Chicago White Sox fans in attendance were hypersensitive to any excessive criticism or behavior because their Sox played so poorly?

itsnotrequired
10-26-2007, 08:40 AM
Are you saying that the Chicago White Sox fans in attendance were hypersensitive to any excessive criticism or behavior because their Sox played so poorly?

Winning cures many ills. I know that if the Sox would have swept and outscored Boston 46-8, I wouldn't really have cared what Boston fans had to say that weekend.

Fenway
10-26-2007, 10:06 AM
Are you saying that the Chicago White Sox fans in attendance were hypersensitive to any excessive criticism or behavior because their Sox played so poorly?

If the shoe was on the other foot I know I would be hot under the collar.

Like I said earlier Baltimore shut up the Boston fans by winning 2 of 3