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Fenway
10-09-2007, 09:11 AM
The nation is spared another Athens vs Sparta ALCS ( and as a Bostonian I could not be happier )

This should be an interesting series.

I think Boston will win in five.

BOB RYAN (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/ryan)
Red Sox are working on a near-perfect game (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/09/red_sox_are_working_on_a_near_perfect_game)

The 2007 Red Sox now have what they never had during the regular season. They have the duo of David Ortiz and Manny Ramírez operating at peak efficiency.

Pequod
10-09-2007, 09:14 AM
If they can sustain that clutch, 2-out hitting with RISP, I'll take the Indians.

BTW, I think you meant ALCS in your thread title.

Fenway
10-09-2007, 09:16 AM
If they can sustain that clutch, 2-out hitting with RISP, I'll take the Indians.

BTW, I think you meant ALCS in your thread title.

fixed it Hey I have had about 20 minutes sleep after the red eye from hell.....we hit the cold front that seperates the 50's in Boston from the 80's 100 miles away. Not fun

nysox35
10-09-2007, 10:20 AM
Indians in 6.
Beyond that, Go National League...

Fenway
10-09-2007, 10:33 AM
I think Boston is going to win this easily.

It has taken 6 months but Manny has found his swing and when he starts going on a tear look out.....

Boston usually has no problem with Borowski.

downstairs
10-09-2007, 10:50 AM
I think Boston is going to win this easily.

It has taken 6 months but Manny has found his swing and when he starts going on a tear look out.....

Boston usually has no problem with Borowski.

I gotta say I want Cleveland to win. Underdog, no WS since '48, fun young team, etc. etc.

But if I were a betting man, I'd say I agree. Boston takes this with little or no sweat.

They're just playing too well right now, and its not an overachieving "well"... they're just that talented.

Fenway
10-09-2007, 10:56 AM
I gotta say I want Cleveland to win. Underdog, no WS since '48, fun young team, etc. etc.

But if I were a betting man, I'd say I agree. Boston takes this with little or no sweat.

They're just playing too well right now, and its not an overachieving "well"... they're just that talented.

Who was the best team the White Sox played in 2007? If you ask the players they would probably say Boston.

In any event you have the 2 teams with the best record in baseball playing. I do think the home advantage tilts it in Boston's favor.

Boston was 5-2 vs Tribe in 2007 ( winning 3 of 4 at The Jake )

goon
10-09-2007, 10:57 AM
I think Boston is going to win this easily.

It has taken 6 months but Manny has found his swing and when he starts going on a tear look out.....

Boston usually has no problem with Borowski.


I don't know. The Red Sox got lucky facing a clumsy Angel lineup, they won't be as fortunate going against those Jndian sluggers. Granted, Beckett should do okay, especially when considering how hot he has been in the playoffs, but beyond that, I think the tribe can hit Daisuke and Schilling.

Sportscaster17
10-09-2007, 10:58 AM
Boston beat an Angels team which was on the respirator down the stretch and then was beat down with injuries in the playoffs.

The Indians are coming off a very good performance against the team many predicted to win the World Series. If you are expecting a short series, you may be in for quite a rude awakening.

nysox35
10-09-2007, 11:22 AM
I think Schilling is the key. If he gives Boston quality innings, they'll win the series. If he doesn't, I think Cleveland may come through.
The reason I say Schilling is key is b/c Cleveland has 2 studs and not much else. However, if only Beckett is throwing well, the 2 studs will be enough. Should be interesting...

Fenway
10-09-2007, 01:01 PM
Schilling interview on WEEI
WEEI - Dennis and Callahan - Curt Schilling (http://weei.podzinger.com/viewMedia.jsp?index=2&num=10&filter=0&expand=true&match=query,channel&dedupe=1&start=0&il=en&col=en-all-pod_weei-ep&s=PZSID_pods_pod5_8_6_0004;WEEI+-+Dennis+and+Callahan&e=12392625&res=67230618)

On Sabathia:

"No question C.C. has quietly become one of the top two or three guys in baseball and he's been that good for a couple of years now. His command is now getting to the point where he walked like 20-some guys this year, struck out like 200."

On Carmona:

"Carmona, I don't know, I didn't see it coming. But he threw that game against us this year, then I watched him in the Yankee [game], he's unbelievable. He's just filthy. Power pitching is a huge plus in the postseason, so it's definitely going to be a huge challenge."

The schedule ( all times Eastern)

friday, oct. 12 (7:10 p.m.)
Game 1 at Boston


Josh Beckett vs. C.C. Sabathia
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/File-Based_Image_Resource/spacer.gif

saturday, oct. 13 (8:21)
Game 2 at Boston
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monday, oct. 15 (7:10)
Game 3 at Cleveland
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tuesday, oct. 16 (8:21)
Game 4 at Cleveland
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thursday, oct. 18 (8:21)
Game 5* at Cleveland
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saturday, oct. 20
Game 6* at Boston
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sunday, oct. 21
Game 7* at Boston


(* - if necessary)

palehozenychicty
10-09-2007, 01:04 PM
All I have to say about this one is that Beckett better not lose on Friday. I don't think Daisuke and Schilling will have as good a series with Cleveland. The Indians lineup is much more durable and resilient right now than the Halos.

Tribe in 6.

Moses_Scurry
10-09-2007, 01:10 PM
I think alot of people underestimate the value of Paul Byrd. The man shut down the Sox in 2005 when the Angels were basically in comas with exhaustion after their Yankees ALDS. Plus, he looked awfully good against the Yanks. With CC, Carmona, and Byrd, I say Tribe in 5.

They won't have 4 complete games though. Only the truly great teams do that!

Fenway
10-09-2007, 01:30 PM
Francona announces rotation

Game 1 Beckett
Game 2 Schilling
Game 3 Matsuzaka
Game 4 Wakefield

The Indians have announced that they will go with C.C. Sabathia, Fausto Carmona, and Jake Westbrook for their rotation.

rdwj
10-09-2007, 01:42 PM
I don't think the Indians want to see a 9th inning without a couple of runs to spare. I have a feeling Borowski is going to cost them at least one game.

wilburaga
10-09-2007, 01:58 PM
I think there's going to be too much Fatso and Fausto for the Red Sox. I have nothing against either team, and I'll cheer for the winner in the series.

W

PKalltheway
10-09-2007, 02:18 PM
Cleveland in 7. Sabathia and Carmona will win games 1,2,6, and 7 respectively.

oeo
10-09-2007, 02:21 PM
I think Boston will win it, but it's not going to be as easy as Fenway thinks (five games?!). Sabathia can duel with Beckett, and may actually win that game...then Carmona-Matsuzaka has to go to the Indians; Matsuzaka isn't anything special. I think it's entirely possible that the Indians take the first two games, more likely that they win one, though. I think it will go seven games with Joe 'Blow' Borowski blowing a save in Game 7.

chisoxfanatic
10-09-2007, 03:39 PM
Boston was 5-2 vs Tribe in 2007 ( winning 3 of 4 at The Jake )
And the Yankees were 6-0 against Cleveland during the regular season.

I'm pulling for Cleveland here. They are the most tortured fans in sports. They deserve this more than anyone.

Fenway
10-09-2007, 04:43 PM
Who has the better mascot?

Slider - Cleveland
http://www.markaelrod.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/slider.jpg

or Wally - Boston

http://dealscape.thedealblogs.com/images/clinic7_2003_wally_250.gif

nysox35
10-09-2007, 04:53 PM
Who has the better mascot?

Definitely Wally. He is hilarious in the Ortiz-Posada commercial.

Foulke You
10-09-2007, 05:24 PM
I think Boston wins it but I disagree with Fenway's prediction of 5 games. This series is probably going to be a dogfight and I have a feeling it will come down to the home field advantage and the Red Sox win in 7 games. They both have good starting pitching and fearsome offensive lineups but I have to give the Red Sox the edge in the bullpen. Papelbon is a much more reliable closer than Borowski. How could Wedge possibly feel confident handing the ball to Joe Borowski in a scenario with a 1 run lead and Pedroia, Ortiz, and Ramirez coming up to the plate in a 9th inning.:o: The Yankees hit 2 long ones (1 of them just foul) off of Borowski last night and he hung a cookie that A-Rod just swung and missed at. He looked very hittable. Borowski will definitely blow one before the end of this series. It would be a shame for Indians fans if they end up losing this series because they didn't have the foresight to realize Borowski couldn't be counted on in October.

Fenway
10-10-2007, 01:08 PM
The Indians have announced the anthem singers for Games 3 and 4

Game 3 Joe Walsh (Eagles) :smile:


Game 4 however I dunno

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/photos/060613/drew_carey_125.jpg

Fenway
10-10-2007, 01:20 PM
Indians fans are gagging at the prices in Boston

Tickets: Boston police have been cracking down on scalpers this year, so be careful if you head to the park without tickets. Online vendors are selling seats starting at $265.

Getting there: We didn't find any last-minute airfare deals into Boston ($360 on AirTran Airways out of Akron-Canton; $600 on Continental from Cleveland). But the 10-hour drive is no picnic, either. Once you're in the city, you'll want to take the T (subway) to the park; take the Green Line to Kenmore Square Station.

Where to stay: Hotel Commonwealth, across the street from Fenway, is sold out this weekend. The Indians stay at the Sheraton Boston, adjacent to the city's convention center, which has rooms starting at $419.

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192006285234330.xml&coll=2

Fenway
10-10-2007, 03:08 PM
Indians beat writer looks at the series

The Indians are likely to have a much more difficult time vanquishing the Boston Red Sox in the American League Championship Series than they did in winning the division series from the New York Yankees.

Boston has superior starting pitching and a stronger bullpen than the erstwhile Bombers, and while the Sox's lineup is not as solid top to bottom as the Yankees', Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz are more than a match for any two performers in the New York batting order, particularly in the playoffs.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10407632.html?page=all&c=y


The Boston Globe looks at the stats
position-by-position breakdown (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/10_09_07_indians_matchups/)
We broke down the Red Sox-Indians ALCS matchup, position by position, highlighting stats from the regular season, ALDS, and head to head. Check out our research, and tell us which team you think has the edge at each spot.

and Dan Shaughnessy should be shot
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/10/indians_rate_preferential_treatment/

TommyJohn
10-10-2007, 03:28 PM
Indians beat writer looks at the series

http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10407632.html?page=all&c=y


The Boston Globe looks at the stats
position-by-position breakdown (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/10_09_07_indians_matchups/)
We broke down the Red Sox-Indians ALCS matchup, position by position, highlighting stats from the regular season, ALDS, and head to head. Check out our research, and tell us which team you think has the edge at each spot.

and Dan Shaughnessy should be shot
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/10/indians_rate_preferential_treatment/

No references to Evil Empire, Bambino, Harry Frazee, Bucky Dent, or Aaron Boone.


Who the hell makes any of those references besides him?

I thought the fools in Chicago were bad.

chisoxmike
10-10-2007, 03:32 PM
I've counted Cleveland out all year. From Spring Training, to the regular season, to the ALDS.

I've learned my lesson...

Cleveland in 7.

Fenway
10-10-2007, 03:42 PM
Who the hell makes any of those references besides him?

I thought the fools in Chicago were bad.

One of the more popular blogs in Boston reviews every column he writes :tongue:

http://danshaughnessy.blogspot.com/ (http://danshaughnessy.blogspot.com/)

sadly we stuck with Glenn Geffner for the rest of the playoffs as Dave O'Brien will be doing the feed seen outside the US

http://38cliches.blogspot.com/ (http://38cliches.blogspot.com/)

Fenway
10-10-2007, 04:07 PM
Umpires named

Randy Marsh (Crew Chief ), Kerwin Danley, Brian Gorman, Paul Emmel, Gary Cederstrom and regular-season crew chief Dana DeMuth

rdivaldi
10-11-2007, 12:04 AM
The Indians are coming off a very good performance against the team many predicted to win the World Series.

??? Sure, if you polled all the die-hard Yankee fans in the United States. I know of very few intelligent baseball people who thought that the Yankees had any chance of winning the World Series. The Red Sox are going to handle the Indians, winning in 6.

Fenway
10-11-2007, 10:30 AM
DAN SHAUGHNESSY (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/shaughnessy)
Another case of Manny momentum (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/11/its_another_case_of_manny_momentum)

Manny has turned Fenway Park into his own Classroom Without Walls, sometimes infuriating his bosses and teammates, but he has always felt the love of the Nation.


Kielty is expecting to see Sabathia (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/11/kielty_is_expecting_to_see_sabathia)

Bobby Kielty said that even before he signed with the Red Sox Aug. 6, he'd imagined this scenario: The Sox facing C.C. Sabathia and the Indians in the playoffs, and Kielty grabbing a bat instead of J.D. Drew

Don’t forget the lineup (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1037369)

by Jeff Horrigan
The presence of C.C. Sabathia and Fausto Carmona at the top of the Cleveland Indians starting rotation is reason enough for the Red Sox not...

Papelbon Gives Red Sox Rivera-like advantage on Indians (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037374)
by Tony Massarotti
The Cleveland Indians have Joe Borowski. The Red Sox have Jonathan Papelbon. In the matchup of

Wedge sticks to rotation (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10447322.html)
Sabathia to start Game 1; then, it's Carmona, Westbrook and Byrd
CLEVELAND: There were several ways to program the Indians' rotation, and manager Eric Wedge probably examined all of them. Read the story (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10447322.html)>>

• Cleveland Indians' Franklin Gutierrez is fulfilling the expectations of scouts, coaches (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192091593230670.xml&coll=2)

Nixon likes teammates’ playoff look (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1186736232295500.xml&coll=2)

spawn
10-11-2007, 10:46 AM
I've counted Cleveland out all year. From Spring Training, to the regular season, to the ALDS.

I've learned my lesson...

Cleveland in 7.
Me too. No that there is any comparison, but the '05 Sox were underestimated as well. First, Boston with all of their post-season experience was supposed to knock them out. The Sox sweep them, and then Anaheim was supposed to beat them. The only time in the post season they were favored was the WS. The Indians aren't getting the credit they deserve. I say Indians in 7. And I pray that if manny hits a homer and stands at the plate with his arms raised, the next Cleveland pitcher that faces him throws a pitch that puts him on his ***.

Fenway
10-11-2007, 03:55 PM
The Red Sox post-season program put together a wonderful montage of Boston baseball history

from the NY Times
Red Sox in the Sky With Diamonds (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/sports/baseball/11vecsey.html)

Forty years ago today — now that has a nice ring to it — brash lads flashed across the firmament, bringing light and color and sound to a drab world. They were named John, Paul, George and Ringo. No, they were named Yaz, Boomer, Lonnie and Tony C., reviving the musty franchise of Yawkeyland.


Even a non Boston fan can have fun with this

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/sports/20071011_VECSEY_GRAPHIC/ (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/sports/20071011_VECSEY_GRAPHIC/)

wilburaga
10-11-2007, 04:27 PM
The Red Sox post-season program put together a wonderful montage of Boston baseball history

from the NY Times
Red Sox in the Sky With Diamonds (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/sports/baseball/11vecsey.html)


Even a non Boston fan can have fun with this

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/sports/20071011_VECSEY_GRAPHIC/ (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/sports/20071011_VECSEY_GRAPHIC/)

That was a great article by a great sportswriter.

W

Fenway
10-11-2007, 04:32 PM
That was a great article by a great sportswriter.

W

They also did a great job with the montage. That is something the hard core fans would enjoy...the bandwagoners MIGHT get Wally the mascot.

wilburaga
10-11-2007, 04:36 PM
They also did a great job with the montage. That is something the hard core fans would enjoy...the bandwagoners MIGHT get Wally the mascot.

One hates to be a copycat, but is there a White Sox montage in the offing? I'll see your Wally and raise you an Andy the Clown.

W

Boondock Saint
10-11-2007, 04:50 PM
I voted for the Red Sox in 6, but it could take 7. This series could be awesome.

DSpivack
10-11-2007, 04:51 PM
One hates to be a copycat, but is there a White Sox montage in the offing? I'll see your Wally and raise you an Andy the Clown.

W

What about Ribby and Roobarb or Southpaw? :redneck

Fenway
10-11-2007, 04:56 PM
Red Sox press notes
http://presspass.mlb.com/pp_viewer.asp?d=37440 (http://presspass.mlb.com/pp_viewer.asp?d=37440)

Fenway
10-12-2007, 09:31 AM
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Aces up for Game 1 (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192178503256440.xml&coll=2)
Cy who? Sabathia, Beckett set for Fenway showdown
C.C. has grown into ace (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192177989256440.xml&coll=2)
Hoynsie's thoughts on series (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192178787256440.xml&coll=2)
Boston fish wrap wrap-up (http://blog.cleveland.com/tribetracker/2007/10/perusing_the_boston_media.html)
Shared faith in curses, failures (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192178535256440.xml&coll=2)
Pluto: Sox full of beans (http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1192178462256440.xml&coll=2)
Beckett keys in on Sizemore (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192177888256440.xml&coll=2)

Akron Beacon Journal
Tonight, with the stakes ramped up a notch, the Indians face the Boston Red Sox for the right to represent the American League in the World Series. Nerves, quite simply, cannot be a factor. Read the story (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495362.html)

Lifelong Tribe fan having some fun (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495317.html)
Rooting interest of UA educator is with Red Sox (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10494982.html)
Scientific, ahem, 'research' makes Indians the favorite (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495442.html)
Wedge learns to be lenient (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495407.html)
Why are Red Sox happy to play Indians? (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495747.html)
Red Sox discover catcher of future (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495472.html)
Scouting Report (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495712.html)

Boston Globe
The long, painful summer of David Ortiz (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/hurtin_call)
Red Sox' power combination is tough to crack (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/this_combination_is_tough_to_crack)
THE MATCHUPS (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox)
In the end, Red Sox' pen is mightier (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/in_the_end_sox_pen_is_mightier)

The Globe's Nick Cafardo breaks down the Sox-Indians matchups in five categories: Lineups, starting pitching, bullpens, benches, and managers. http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/File-Based_Image_Resource/dingbat_camera_icon.gifPosition-by-position (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/10_09_07_indians_matchups)

Red Sox in a favorable position (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/sox_happily_shed_the_underdog_label)

Isn't this somebody else's script? The Red Sox have the best record in baseball for the first time since 1946. They will happily shed the underdog label in the ALCS.

SHAUGHNESSY: Ellsbury raises some chief concerns over logo (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/theyve_had_some_chief_concerns)
Sox, Indians well connected (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/ok_which_ones_which)
INDIANS NOTEBOOK: Experience didn't matter to Indians (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/an_enjoyable_experience)
Nixon has served his role well (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/nixons_served_role_well)

On the record with Beckett (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/12/on_the_record_with_beckett)

He won't throw shutouts every time he takes the mound in the postseason. Even for the pitcher with two career regular-season shutouts and three career playoff shutouts, that would be asking too much.

Boston Herald
Zeroes could abound (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037633)
by Jeff Horrigan
The last time he headed to the mound at Fenway Park, Josh Beckett solidified his status as one of his...

Automatic transmission (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037604)
by Tony Massarotti
In Cleveland, as in Boston, rest assured that they understand...

ALCS Matchups (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037640)
by Michael Silverman
Tying for the best record in baseball at 96-66 this season,...

Nixon exhibits playoff wisdom (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1037612)
by Rob Bradford
The Indians are getting their money’s worth out of Trot Nixon. While the stat sheet states that the former Red Sox outfielder finished... ]

Tribe’s Shapiro takes tips from Pats’ Pioli (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1037615)

by Rob Bradford
With the Cleveland Indians in the postseason, Scott Pioli was bound to get a phone call. In preparation for his team’s Division...

Wedge fits to a tee (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/other_mlb/view.bg?articleid=1037598)
by Mark Murphy
Even when a young group stays together long enough to be christened as a core, it’s rare when a manager is included. But the Indians...

Providence Journal
Pointing to victory: How the Red Sox and Indians match up (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/SP_BB_MATCHUP12_SK_10-12-07_877EUJB.33935ee.html)
Sabathia vs. Beckett is a dream match-up (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_beckett12_10-12-07_0H7F8H6.3423c0d.html)
In last meeting, Sox took three of four from Indians (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_soxindians12_10-12-07_677EM5P.3022c05.html)
Red Sox News

In terms of closers, stats say Sox have edge (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_rsoxjo12_10-12-07_867F7AP.3423d9e.html)
Wakefield in; Cash out (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_wakefield.161f71d3c.html)
Sox' rotation not set in stone (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_rotation.161f8df96.html)
Kielty to sub for Drew (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_kielty.161fb0eac.html)
Francona: Forget past results (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_francona.161fc7f28.html)

Indians News

Wedge took on leadership role early (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_wedge12_10-12-07_E57F7E8.30238fc.html)
Sabathia will cut back sizzle for more control (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_indiansjo12_10-12-07_E57F7EH.30226b5.html)
New role for Nixon (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_nixon.16200cd2c.html)
Sizemore adapting to success (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_sizemore.16202571d.html)
Drizzle dampens plans (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20071012_drizzle.16203ee09.html)
Player-by-player Indians scouting report (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_scout12_10-12-07_0H7F8HE.3424706.html)

MarySwiss
10-12-2007, 09:36 AM
Pluto: Sox full of beans (http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1192178462256440.xml&coll=2)


They're following this series on PLUTO!?

Wow, I guess this is the single most important event in the solar system, after all! :tongue:

Fenway
10-12-2007, 09:40 AM
They're following this series on PLUTO!?

Wow, I guess this is the single most important event in the solar system, after all! :tongue:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZT4i-nqoYFleNM:http://www.disney.dk/andersand/andeby/portraetter/portrettbilder/portretter/pluto.gif (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.disney.dk/andersand/andeby/portraetter/portrettbilder/portretter/pluto.gif&imgrefurl=http://mayagranny.blogspot.com/2007/04/odd-thoughts-about-pluto-goldilocks.html&h=336&w=315&sz=17&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=ZT4i-nqoYFleNM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpluto%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3De n)

Myrtle72
10-12-2007, 09:44 AM
I honestly dislike both teams equally, so I've got no opinion on who I want to win. If I had money to bet though, it'd be on Boston.

Fenway
10-12-2007, 12:21 PM
The Red Sox have decided not to use the Virtual Waiting Room for World series tickets....

This should knock out phone service in 6 states

A limited number of tickets for World Series games 1, 2, 6 and 7, which may be played at Fenway Park if the Sox get past the Indians, will be available by telephone only (617-482-4SOX) starting at 3 p.m. on Monday, Oct. 15, while supplies last.

There will be a one-game, two-ticket purchase limit per customer. Ticket prices for the World Series, as established by MLB, are $225 for Box seats, $150 for grandstand seats, $75 for bleacher seats and $50 for standing room. All orders will include a $8 per ticket and $15 per transaction fee

Fenway
10-12-2007, 01:07 PM
Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer talks about the Indians on WEEI

WEEI - Dale and Holley - Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer (http://weei.podzinger.com/viewMedia.jsp?index=3&num=10&filter=0&expand=true&match=query,channel&dedupe=1&start=0&il=en&col=en-all-pod_weei-ep&s=PZSID_pods_pod5_8_6_0005;WEEI+-+Dale+and+Holley&e=12494459&res=71401008)

Fenway
10-12-2007, 06:03 PM
It has stopped raining but it will be chilly and windy blowing out to RF. GO SAWX

cburns
10-12-2007, 07:31 PM
Did McCarver just say that against any other centerfielder in baseball Youkilis would have gone to third? Really Tim? I'm sure Youk would definitely have tried Ichiro's arm.

MarySwiss
10-12-2007, 07:34 PM
Did McCarver just say that against any other centerfielder in baseball Youkilis would have gone to third? Really Tim? I'm sure Youk would definitely have tried Ichiro's arm.
That's what I heard.

HomeFish
10-12-2007, 07:54 PM
Horrendous weather here in Boston. How dry is the field?

Foultips
10-12-2007, 09:02 PM
This is not what Cleveland wanted. Boston looks very good.

Fenway
10-12-2007, 11:54 PM
CC had nothing perhaps it was the frigid conditions. Cleveland needs to win Saturday or this could be over quick.

Patrick134
10-13-2007, 12:10 AM
CC had nothing perhaps it was the frigid conditions. Cleveland needs to win Saturday or this could be over quick.


Beckett is the only BoSox starter who can be assumed to have a good outing ahead of time. The japanese pitcher is marginal at best.

drewcifer
10-13-2007, 12:19 AM
Beckett is the only BoSox starter who can be assumed to have a good outing ahead of time. The japanese pitcher is marginal at best.

I agree. Let's see the series play out. Beckett is feeling it - good for him. He had a ridiculous post season record for 1-2-3 innings - like 53%. Just awesome!

I like Cleveland's 3 and 4 over Boston's.

And Schilling.. old guy...who I hate...big mouth...lose, you ass.

Fenway
10-13-2007, 12:38 AM
I agree. Let's see the series play out. Beckett is feeling it - good for him. He had a ridiculous post season record for 1-2-3 innings - like 53%. Just awesome!

I like Cleveland's 3 and 4 over Boston's.

And Schilling.. old guy...who I hate...big mouth...lose, you ass.

I like Schilling tonite in this weather and now it looks like Beckett in Game 4 because of pitch count. DiceK who the hell knows.

Frater Perdurabo
10-13-2007, 07:51 AM
Sticking with DumpJerry's theory, I just want this series to go deep, so that Cleveland's pitchers get tired and don't perform well next year. I want the Sox to have a clear path to go wire to wire to another World Series championship in 2008.

With that in mind, Fenway, can you be sure to let your guys know that if you go up 2-0 or 3-0, they need to toy with the Indians? It's OK to clobber their pitchers. Score 25 or 30 runs per game if you need to, but just let Cleveland win at least 2 or 3 games this series. I mean, you'd like to clinch at home in front of the loyal Red Sox fans, right?
:tongue:

FarWestChicago
10-13-2007, 07:55 AM
Sticking with DumpJerry's theory, I just want this series to go deep, so that Cleveland's pitchers get tired and don't perform well next year. I want the Sox to have a clear path to go wire to wire to another World Series championship in 2008.I don't know that this can happen. It's one thing for your best pitcher to lose. However, Fatbathia set a new standard for laying down as an "ace". Perhaps some of the historians here can come up with the times an "ace" gave up 75 runs in the first game of a series and the demolished team came back to win or even compete.

Fenway
10-13-2007, 09:55 AM
Akron Beacon Journal
TRIBE ACE TRUMPED

C.C. Sabathia did not get it done Friday night. He was gone before he could finish the fifth inning, as the Red Sox loped to a 10-3 win in the opening game of the American League Championship Series at Fenway Park. Read the story (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10518787.html)


OTHER STORIES

Game 1: Hyped-up Sabathia's wild and crazy outing huge disappointment (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10518407.html)
Game 1: For Wedge, watching baseball is work (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10518927.html)
Staying calm among ALCS storm is key for Indians (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495362.html)
Lifelong Tribe fan having some fun (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495317.html)
Rooting interest of UA educator is with Red Sox (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10494982.html)
Scientific, ahem, 'research' makes Indians the favorite (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495442.html)
Wedge learns to be lenient (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495407.html)
Why are Red Sox happy to play Indians? (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495747.html)
Red Sox discover catcher of future (http://www.ohio.com/sports/10495472.html)

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Sabathia's five bases on balls help Boston take 1-0 lead
Box score (http://cleveland.stats.com/mlb/gameview.asp?gamecode=271012102) | Photos (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/photos/) http://www.cleveland.com/sports/graphics/gallery.gif
Shaw: Indians missing an ace (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/bud_shaw/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192264539246820.xml&coll=2)
Terry Pluto: Fausto Carmona's job just got harder (http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1192264549246820.xml&coll=2)
Beckett throws a gem (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192264246246820.xml&coll=2)
Joe Borowski relieved he got the call in the ALDS (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192265149246820.xml&coll=2)
Mark Gillispie's On the Scene at Fenway Park (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192264639246820.xml&coll=2)
ALCS schedule (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/119191934927050.xml&coll=2) | Indians Toon (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/wide/index.ssf?/tribe/wide/101307_toon.html)
Complete Indians coverage (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/)


Boston Globe
Sox put a chill on Indians in opener (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/13/sox_put_a_chill_on_indians_in_opener)

There's a sense of inevitability about the Red Sox playoff march, demonstrated last night in a methodical 10-3 victory over the Indians

RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3 (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox)
Ortiz and Ramírez lead Red Sox' rout (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/13/onslaught)

And until somebody in the opposing dugout figures out a way to get out David Ortiz and Manny Ramírez, this postseason will be over and out

JACKIE MACMULLAN (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/macmullan)
Big-game Beckett strikes again (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/13/big_game_beckett_strikes_again)

Josh Beckett once again stared down the opposing team's ace and elevated his performance to the heights required to excel in postseason play, while his counterpart wilted.

Ortiz, Ramírez reach back for extra (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/13/ortiz_ramrez_reach_back_for_extra)

The keys for the Sox were, as usual, David Ortiz and Manny Ramírez. The superstars reached base 10 times in 10 plate appearances. They had five walks, four hits, and Ortiz was hit by a pitch.

GRAPHIC: Indian drummed (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/graphics/10_13_07_indian_drummed) http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/File-Based_Image_Resource/dingbat_arrow_icon.gif Sabathia didn't have it (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/13/shaky_sabathia_was_out_of_control)

Boston Herald
Red Sox have most dangerous weapon (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037821)
by Tony Massarotti
Once again, Josh Beckett pitched like the true ace he has become, like the kind of man who can now...

Beckett lone pitcher to show up for duel (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037785)
by Jeff Horrigan
It turned out that only one of the weapons was loaded in the anticipated pitching duel between Josh Beckett...

There’s no stopping Manny and Papi (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037823)
by Michael Silverman
During the course of a season, getting on base close to 40 percent of the time is considered pretty...

Red Sox looking superior (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1037822)
by Steve Buckley
By the middle innings last night at Fenway Park, Game 1 of the American League Championship Series...

Providence Journal
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Beckett proves best (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_redsox13_10-13-07_FI7FL78.354b1b7.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Opening arguments? None (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox2.165b588df.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Manny and David: Always on base (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox3.165b330bf.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Rest of the lineup shows Sox aren't a three-man team (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox4.165b11f9a.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Ramirez proves that when you're hot . . . (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox5.165ae626f.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Sox benefit from a productive approach at the plate (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox6.165ac134c.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Sox don't plan to bring Beckett back for Game Four (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox7.165a7d18d.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Gagne may have made his last Sox appearance (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox8.1659fecdd.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Kielty comes through (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox9.1659c64b4.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: Sabathia licks his wounds (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071013-redsox10.165988cf1.html)
RED SOX 10, INDIANS 3: From the stat sheet . . . (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071012-sox11.1659555a1.html)

Fenway
10-13-2007, 10:37 AM
A New York writer sniffs the ALCS isn't the same without the Yankees.

He claims Boston fans miss New York.

Bullcookies

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/10/13/2007-10-13_indians_cant_bring_that_yankee_buzz_to_f.html


Not that it wasn't rocking here last night, as the Sox scored early and often. It just wasn't anywhere nearly as electric as it has been in Octobers past for Yankees-Sox.

But then, maybe that's no surprise, considering it's hard to tell sometimes what means more to Red Sox Nation, Boston victories or Yankee losses.
As evidence, it was early in Game 2 of the division series here last week when the Bug Game ended badly for the Yankees in Cleveland. The roar at Fenway was startling only because the score hadn't been posted yet, which meant an awful lot of Red Sox fans were obsessing wirelessly about the team they love to hate.

But without the Yankees to root against, well, out on Yawkey Way before last night's game, the atmosphere was a little too placid for a big playoff game in this town.

FarWestChicago
10-13-2007, 10:43 AM
A New York writer sniffs the ALCS isn't the same without the Yankees.

He claims Boston fans miss New York.

Bullcookies Yeah, I'm sure the Bahstan fans loved Fatbathia the Lesser more that anybody in NY last night.

Fenway
10-13-2007, 11:17 AM
Yeah, I'm sure the Bahstan fans loved Fatbathia the Lesser more that anybody in NY last night.

Everybody I know is so happy that we are not playing the Yankees and the circus that comes with that. Boston was a very happy place earlier this week when NYY went down.


As you move past Hartford, the New York stations start to fade. The rain lessens and then stops, and two Boston sports-talk radio stations start to boom in loud and clear.

Surely, the listeners are exulting in their Red Sox, back in the American League Championship Series for the first time since 2004, when they rallied from a 3-0 deficit to beat the Yankees and go on to win their first World Series since 1918.

So what are they talking about? The Yankees! Oh, yes, and they are enjoying themselves. The guys on WEEI (850 AM) have a tape of Suzyn Waldman and John Sterling, the Yankees’ announcers, wrapping up Monday night’s season-ending defeat on WCBS (880 AM).



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/sports/baseball/11redsox.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Fenway
10-13-2007, 03:00 PM
Press notes

Boston
http://presspass.mlb.com/pp_viewer.asp?d=37446

Cleveland
http://presspass.mlb.com/pp_viewer.asp?d=37445

palehozenychicty
10-13-2007, 03:58 PM
Captain Cheeseburger was awful again yesterday. Did he throw this poorly at the end of the regular season? I saw that he threw over 240 innings this year, but still.....enough cheeseburgers!

Fenway
10-13-2007, 04:09 PM
Captain Cheeseburger was awful again yesterday. Did he throw this poorly at the end of the regular season? I saw that he threw over 240 innings this year, but still.....enough cheeseburgers!

He did look gassed.

It is not going to be fun at Fenway tonight with tempertures in the mid 40's by 10 PM and a 20-30 MPH wind again.

This video of last night is very strange
TIME-LAPSE PHOTOS: 314 Pitches (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/video/)

drewcifer
10-13-2007, 09:06 PM
Casey Blake has one helluva powerful beard, that's for sure. He makes Varitek look like http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f322/fugnutz/kittydv.gif

thomas35forever
10-13-2007, 10:37 PM
Dammit Manny. What haven't you done?

DirecTV Home Run Cam? *****.

EDIT: Back-to-back shots and the Red Sox have the lead.

drewcifer
10-13-2007, 10:44 PM
Dammit Manny. What haven't you done?

DirecTV Home Run Cam? *****.

EDIT: Back-to-back shots and the Red Sox have the lead.

Manny is so aggravating. I can't imagine what it's like for Fens to have to put up with his crap as a fan, yet need him so badly in games that matter.

MUsoxfan
10-13-2007, 10:47 PM
On an aside, James Taylor was really really awful trying to read the lineup

PKalltheway
10-13-2007, 10:58 PM
Tied up again, this time at 6 runs apiece. Game 2 is shaping up to become a good one.

ilsox7
10-13-2007, 11:14 PM
Tied up again, this time at 6 runs apiece. Game 2 is shaping up to become a good one.

Someone tell Joe Buck that. It baffles me how the worst announcer in all of sports does the best games.

cburns
10-13-2007, 11:17 PM
It really bugs me how Buck keeps saying how Pedroia should be the ROY. I'm not sure what other rookies are out there that deserve it, but enough campaigning.

Boondock Saint
10-13-2007, 11:44 PM
Betancourt just showed Manny a pair of brass balls by blowing him away with a 3-2 belt high fastball.

drewcifer
10-13-2007, 11:46 PM
Betancourt just showed Manny a pair of brass balls by blowing him away with a 3-2 belt high fastball.

Actually, he did twice bro. It just wasn't until Manny took his bat of his shoulder that the ump noticed... :rolleyes:

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 12:21 AM
Enough McCarver, does every stolen base have to bring up the Dave Roberts sb ? Did he invent the sb ?

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 12:23 AM
Enough McCarver, does every stolen base have to bring up the Dave Roberts sb ? Did he invent the sb ?

I've finally gone to Mute. It's either that or not watch. Generally, when Joe Buck is in the booth, I refuse to watch the event. But muting has helped the last few innings.

Brian26
10-14-2007, 12:29 AM
Jon Miller & Joe Morgan are on the radio side. Lesser of two evils, maybe.

PKalltheway
10-14-2007, 12:29 AM
Bottom of 9, will the Red Sox win this, or will the game continue to stretch into the wee small hours of the morning? We'll see...

Hell, the game has been going on for about four and a half hours, and it still isn't past regulation yet!:o:

Brian26
10-14-2007, 12:35 AM
Enough McCarver, does every stolen base have to bring up the Dave Roberts sb ? Did he invent the sb ?

Another one :D:

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 12:39 AM
Jon Miller & Joe Morgan are on the radio side. Lesser of two evils, maybe.

I actually like Jon Miller. But I do not have a radio. Or maybe I do, but if so, I am not digging it up. Itunes and mute works fine.

Brian26
10-14-2007, 12:44 AM
I like Miller too. Morgan is tough to listen to.

The problem with the radio is that its live; the tv feed seems to be delayed about three or four seconds.

QCIASOXFAN
10-14-2007, 12:44 AM
Bonus baseball baby! Go Rockies!

PKalltheway
10-14-2007, 12:45 AM
To extra innings we go...

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 12:45 AM
I like Miller too. Morgan is tough to listen to.

The problem with the radio is that its live; the tv feed seems to be delayed about three or four seconds.


Did you know that Joe Morgan is the best 2nd baseman ever to play the game? I know so b/c Joe Morgan told me.

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 12:46 AM
There is some blonde guy in his late 40's who sits behind home plate. When Manny hit the walk off last week, he ran out of his seat to get somewhere as soon as it left his bat. He just did the same run on that last Youkilis flyout. Sit back down douche, it ain't over.

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 12:46 AM
It seems pretty likely that if the Indians don't score here, Ortiz, Manny and Lowell will find a way to close out extra innings pretty quick off of Borowski.

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 12:55 AM
Fans loudly booing Cora for getting in the red sox first baseman's way there.

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 12:57 AM
Fans loudly booing Cora for getting in the red sox first baseman's way there.

That was the "Yoook" call.

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 01:00 AM
Peralta just about took that one in the mush.

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 01:00 AM
Big Poopi running lazily until he saw the bad hop. Nice Job.

thomas35forever
10-14-2007, 01:04 AM
Why does it seem like playoff baseball at Fenway always lasts till 1:30 AM? It doesn't make any sense.

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 01:04 AM
It seems pretty likely that if the Indians don't score here, Ortiz, Manny and Lowell will find a way to close out extra innings pretty quick off of Borowski.

Looks like I couldn't have been more wrong. No Borowski, no hits. :redneck

QCIASOXFAN
10-14-2007, 01:09 AM
Why does it seem like playoff baseball at Fenway always lasts till 1:30 AM? It doesn't make any sense.
ET zone?

drewcifer
10-14-2007, 01:10 AM
ET zone?

Well, that's the one that matters.

QCIASOXFAN
10-14-2007, 01:11 AM
Go Gagne! This is great. Load'em up.

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 01:16 AM
The Trotigal son returns.

PKalltheway
10-14-2007, 01:16 AM
Cleveland leads 7-6!

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 01:17 AM
I know this has been a great game, but damn, let's get this thing over with!

thomas35forever
10-14-2007, 01:18 AM
Woo! Go Cleveland! 8-6!:bandance:

PKalltheway
10-14-2007, 01:18 AM
Wild pitch, another run scores! 8-6 Cleveland!

drewcifer
10-14-2007, 01:19 AM
Wild pitch, another run scores! 8-6 Cleveland!

Sweet!

thomas35forever
10-14-2007, 01:21 AM
The Tribe is doing the little things right, and they score another run off it.

cburns
10-14-2007, 01:25 AM
I bet the Indians fans are pretty damn happy to see all these insurance runs being scored.

cburns
10-14-2007, 01:26 AM
I'd like to see a squeeze here

Brian26
10-14-2007, 01:26 AM
Look at all the empty seats all of a sudden.

QCIASOXFAN
10-14-2007, 01:26 AM
Does Garko have Konerko speed, how does he not score on that?

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:26 AM
I bet the Indians fans are pretty damn happy to see all these insurance runs being scored.

The United States of America is happy. Anything to shut obnoxious Boston fans up is good for this country.

The Immigrant
10-14-2007, 01:27 AM
Phil Rogers thinks this is all KW's fault for trading Javy Lopez to the Red Sox.

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:27 AM
Look at all the empty seats all of a sudden.

Seriously. Plenty of fair weather fans out there in Boston.

cburns
10-14-2007, 01:27 AM
The United States of America is happy. Anything to shut obnoxious Boston fans up is good for this country.

You can tell how annoying Boston fans are when White Sox fans are rooting for the Indians.

QCIASOXFAN
10-14-2007, 01:28 AM
:lol: This is great.

thomas35forever
10-14-2007, 01:29 AM
Gutierrez with a 3-run homer? That's the final insult. This could be demoralizing for Boston heading into Jacobs Field.

The Immigrant
10-14-2007, 01:29 AM
I think Gutierez got all of that one.

drewcifer
10-14-2007, 01:29 AM
Holy **** - That made Paulie's look like a bunt...

Way to go, Tribe.

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:29 AM
You can tell how annoying Boston fans are when White Sox fans are rooting for the Indians.

:yup:

ChiSoxGirl
10-14-2007, 01:29 AM
Could Buck sound anymore dejected than he does right now? It sounds like someone let the wind out of his sails. :rolleyes:

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 01:30 AM
Let the Pawtucket panic begin.

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 01:30 AM
Holy **** - That made Paulie's look like a bunt...

Way to go, Tribe.

If there isn't a sign up there on the monster, that ball is WAY out of the park.

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:30 AM
Could Buck sound anymore dejected than he does right now? It sounds like someone let the wind out of his sails. :rolleyes:

The mute button is your friend.

HomeFish
10-14-2007, 01:31 AM
I hate seeing Lester lit up like this. He's kind of a hero for me after his comeback from cancer.

ChiSoxGirl
10-14-2007, 01:31 AM
The mute button is your friend.

Well, it's either this or listen to my dad snoring in the other room. I choose Buck. :redneck

drewcifer
10-14-2007, 01:31 AM
So next will be Byrd against Dice-K, yes? I'd pick Byrd... especially at home. Even we beat him and I think that was in Boston...

QCIASOXFAN
10-14-2007, 01:32 AM
Let the Pawtucket panic begin.
You can bet Fenway will post 30 articles about it tomorrow to.

HomeFish
10-14-2007, 01:32 AM
That said, here's hoping the Red Sox score seven in the bottom of this inning and ensure that the ALCS winner is nice and worn out for the Rockies.

ChiSoxGirl
10-14-2007, 01:33 AM
So next will be Byrd against Dice-K, yes? I'd pick Byrd... especially at home. Even we beat him and I think that was in Boston...

I think they showed earlier that it's Westbrook vs. Dice-K on Monday. :dunno:

HomeFish
10-14-2007, 01:33 AM
So next will be Byrd against Dice-K, yes? I'd pick Byrd... especially at home. Even we beat him and I think that was in Boston...

Byrd was the only man to beat the 2005 Chicago White Sox in the playoffs. That was one hell of a frustrating game to be at.

DrCrawdad
10-14-2007, 01:36 AM
I've grown to really dislike the Red Sox. So, I have absolutely no qualms about rooting for Cleveland.

Brian26
10-14-2007, 01:36 AM
I can't believe how quickly the fans filed out of there when they were only down by four runs.

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:37 AM
I've grown to really dislike the Red Sox. So, I have absolutely no qualms about rooting for Cleveland.

There probably is not another team in sports (maybe the Twins) that I hate more. Considering the Red Sox were my 2nd favorite team in 2004, that says something. They have, by far, the worst fans in all of sports.

PKalltheway
10-14-2007, 01:37 AM
And this game is FINALLY over

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 01:37 AM
Finally!

HomeFish
10-14-2007, 01:38 AM
I've grown to really dislike the Red Sox. So, I have absolutely no qualms about rooting for Cleveland.

Red Sox fans (in the media and elsewhere) are going to be obnoxious no matter what. The Tribe fans, however, can still be humbled.

That's why I'm cheering for Boston, but it's pretty close.

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:38 AM
I can't believe how quickly the fans filed out of there when they were only down by four runs.

Red Sox Nation = Bandwagon Frauds.

ChiSoxGirl
10-14-2007, 01:38 AM
I've grown to really dislike the Red Sox. So, I have absolutely no qualms about rooting for Cleveland.

As alohafri said to me tonight, "The enemy of the enemy is your friend. Go Indians!" :smile:

thomas35forever
10-14-2007, 01:38 AM
Me thinks the Tribe are going to sweep these next three games.:praying:

Does FOX really need to show Trot Nixon in '03? Shut up about America's ball team already.:angry:

Boondock Saint
10-14-2007, 01:39 AM
I can't believe how quickly the fans filed out of there when they were only down by four runs.

Me either. I would NEVER leave a playoff game early.

drewcifer
10-14-2007, 01:50 AM
I would leave an obvious ass-beating.

RadioheadRocks
10-14-2007, 02:03 AM
Could Buck sound anymore dejected than he does right now? It sounds like someone let the wind out of his sails. :rolleyes:



Awwwwwwwwwwwww, poor baby!

michned
10-14-2007, 02:12 AM
There probably is not another team in sports (maybe the Twins) that I hate more. Considering the Red Sox were my 2nd favorite team in 2004, that says something. They have, by far, the worst fans in all of sports.

I'm in the same boat as you. When I was a kid I'd visit Boston every summer (my mother grew up there) so I had a nice little secondary rooting interest in the Red Sox. I remember some cool things like being at Jim Rice's debut in '74 and seeing Fred Lynn as a rookie in '75, and breaking my cousin's Hartland statue of Ted Williams, which today would probably be worth a couple hundred.

But I think this whole Red Sox Nation crap (I like how the media now just refers to it now as the "Nation") is just something that was created and fueled by all the media there is today. Growing up I thought it was hilarious that my uncles and cousins all would obsess over the ups and downs of the Red Sox, but we're exposed to so much of it today that, like you, I just wish they'd all go away.

Sorry Fenway! :smile:

TornLabrum
10-14-2007, 11:18 AM
There probably is not another team in sports (maybe the Twins) that I hate more. Considering the Red Sox were my 2nd favorite team in 2004, that says something. They have, by far, the worst fans in all of sports.

Not as long as there is one Cubs fan alive in the world.

LITTLE NELL
10-14-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm in the same boat as you. When I was a kid I'd visit Boston every summer (my mother grew up there) so I had a nice little secondary rooting interest in the Red Sox. I remember some cool things like being at Jim Rice's debut in '74 and seeing Fred Lynn as a rookie in '75, and breaking my cousin's Hartland statue of Ted Williams, which today would probably be worth a couple hundred.

But I think this whole Red Sox Nation crap (I like how the media now just refers to it now as the "Nation") is just something that was created and fueled by all the media there is today. Growing up I thought it was hilarious that my uncles and cousins all would obsess over the ups and downs of the Red Sox, but we're exposed to so much of it today that, like you, I just wish they'd all go away.

Sorry Fenway! :smile:
If there is such a thing as Red Sox nation(which I dont) they live down here in SW Florida and are driving me insane. Go Tribe!!

Fenway
10-14-2007, 12:14 PM
That was ugly. Here we go Bruins Here we go clap clap

HerzogVon
10-14-2007, 12:37 PM
Arrived here with no particular animosity towards the Carmines. That continued into 2006. But then...

The constant obsession by the eastern media - particularly ESPN and AOL* - with all things Red Hose Nation** and whatnot - slowly began to take it's toll. Now, my Hate List reads as follows:

1.) Cubs
2.) Twins
3.) Red Sox
4.) Yankees

Never thought the Bronx Bummers would be supplanted at #3, but it's happened.


* Anyone else on AOL? Did you read Richard "There Is No" Justice? The pitiful whining has officially begun.

** The only "Nation" truly in need of a good nuking!

MarySwiss
10-14-2007, 12:49 PM
Arrived here with no particular animosity towards the Carmines. That continued into 2006. But then...

The constant obsession by the eastern media - particularly ESPN and AOL* - with all things Red Hose Nation** and whatnot - slowly began to take it's toll. Now, my Hate List reads as follows:

1.) Cubs
2.) Twins
3.) Red Sox
4.) Yankees


I have the same top four but in a different order.
1) Twins
2) Red Sox
3) Yankees
4) Cubs (actually "Cub fans" would be more accurate)

And I agree. I was actually happy for the Red Sawx fans in 2004, but now I wish they'd all just go away.
Except maybe Fens; he seems pretty harmless most of the time. :cool:

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:09 PM
Not as long as there is one Cubs fan alive in the world.

I know many good Cub fans. I know maybe two good Red Sox fans. Obviously, I live in Chicago so odds are I will know more good Cub fans. But the Red Sox bandwagon is much more annoying to me than the Cub bandwagon.

TornLabrum
10-14-2007, 01:14 PM
I know many good Cub fans. I know maybe two good Red Sox fans. Obviously, I live in Chicago so odds are I will know more good Cub fans. But the Red Sox bandwagon is much more annoying to me than the Cub bandwagon.

At least those who jump on the Red Sox bandwagon are backing a team that actually has some history of accomplishing something.

ilsox7
10-14-2007, 01:19 PM
At least those who jump on the Red Sox bandwagon are backing a team that actually has some history of accomplishing something.

That's one of the things that makes them more annoying to me. They are just following the team b/c they are a winner. Many bandwagon Cub "fans" have no problem admitting to me that the reason they like the Cubs is b/c they enjoy sitting in the bleachers drinking on a nice summer day. Red Sox fans, on the other hand, try to get you to believe they are these great baseball fans, with their pre-worn-out Red Sox hats. Bandwagon Cub fans are easy to dismiss b/c they have not won a thing. Not so much for the bandwagon Red Sox fans.

Brian26
10-14-2007, 01:21 PM
Not as long as there is one Cubs fan alive in the world.

I'm not sure if you're soley talking about bandwagon fans or just Cubs fans in general. I happen to know a handful of Cubs fans that are intelligent, respectable baseball followers who know the history of their team. I can't blame them for being dealt their lot in life, but they exist and are the exception to the rule. These are the type of people I feel sorry for.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-14-2007, 03:05 PM
...I can't blame them [Cubs fans] for being dealt their lot in life, but they exist and are the exception to the rule. These are the type of people I feel sorry for.

I'm confused by this. Are you saying you believe Cubs fans haven't chosen to support the Cubs of their own free will?

:?:

Cuck_The_Fubs
10-14-2007, 03:41 PM
I'm confused by this. Are you saying you believe Cubs fans haven't chosen to support the Cubs of their own free will?

:?:
Here in Chicago, you must choose either 1 of 2 losing baseball teams: The White Sox, or the Cubs. It isn't the Old Style-drinkin'-no-good-yuppies I feel sorry for. It's the dedicated die-hards of Cub nation; like my grandpa. They are just as deserving of a World Series as we are, even though they are wearing cubbie blue. I feel sorry that the older generation of cub fans only have so much time to live to see a world series.

So yeah, I do feel bad for the dedicated cub fans.

Brian26
10-14-2007, 04:17 PM
I'm confused by this. Are you saying you believe Cubs fans haven't chosen to support the Cubs of their own free will?

:?:

I'm talking about people like my father-in-law who is in his mid 70's and has been a Cubs fan since the 1940's. He's knows baseball inside and out, has followed the Cubs since before he had a television in his house, and he still roots and follows for the team even though he hasn't been to a game in years.

Of course he's chosen to root for the Cubs all these years, but he picked the Cubs as his rooting interest at a very young age and has stuck with that. I respect that. What I don't respect are bandwagon fans who choose to jump on the bandwagon at their own free will.

I can die a happy man because I saw my team make it to the mountain top after 33 years of life on this planet. I sometimes feel sorry for the older generation of fans who haven't experienced that, no matter who they root for. That's the extent of my sympathy for Vineline Nation.

Fenway
10-14-2007, 04:22 PM
waving from Cleveland after 9 hours on I-90

Just to clear up one thing. Many fans who had taken the subway to the game were forced to leave in the 11th inning as the last train was at 12:30 AM. Many of these people park at stations 10 miles away and a cab fare would be insane.

Those left at the park wanted to shoot Gagme

For those interested here are links to coverage

Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/

Boston Herald
http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/

Providence Journal
http://www.projo.com/redsox

Cleveland Plain Dealer
http://www.cleveland.com

Akron Beacon-Journal
http://www.ohio.com

Brian26
10-14-2007, 04:24 PM
Just to clear up one thing. Many fans who had taken the subway to the game were forced to leave in the 11th inning as the last train was at 12:30 AM. Many of these people park at stations 10 miles away and a cab fare would be insane.

That's understandable. The Green Line stops running here at 1am, and I came very close to missing that on a couple of extra inning games this summer.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-14-2007, 04:52 PM
I'm talking about people like my father-in-law who is in his mid 70's and has been a Cubs fan since the 1940's. He's knows baseball inside and out, has followed the Cubs since before he had a television in his house, and he still roots and follows for the team even though he hasn't been to a game in years.

Of course he's chosen to root for the Cubs all these years, but he picked the Cubs as his rooting interest at a very young age and has stuck with that. I respect that. What I don't respect are bandwagon fans who choose to jump on the bandwagon at their own free will.

My dad is over over 80 and caddied at Olympia Fields CC back in the 30's for people like Jimmy Dykes and Charlie Grimm. People like my dad and your father-in-law who have supported the Cubs for 70+ years straight can't possibly constitute even 2 percent of today's Cub fan base. Most of their surviving octogenarian fans (as you might expect) are women -- and I guarantee the overwhelming majority of them couldn't tell you one thing about Charlie Grimm or his place in Cubs history.

FWIW, my dad proudly wore the Sox championship shirt and cap I got for him and he spent plenty of time the last 2+ years watching the Sox on his Zenith (though I'm sure he still watched more golf than anything else). I'll ask him if his life has been diminished at all for only seeing the Chicago White Sox win a world championship and not the Cubs. I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

Age brings wisdom. I wouldn't underestimate this tiny group you're concerned about.

Brian26
10-14-2007, 06:00 PM
My dad is over over 80 and caddied at Olympia Fields CC back in the 30's for people like Jimmy Dykes and Charlie Grimm. People like my dad and your father-in-law who have supported the Cubs for 70+ years straight can't possibly constitute even 2 percent of today's Cub fan base. Most of their surviving octogenarian fans (as you might expect) are women -- and I guarantee the overwhelming majority of them couldn't tell you one thing about Charlie Grimm or his place in Cubs history.

FWIW, my dad proudly wore the Sox championship shirt and cap I got for him and he spent plenty of time the last 2+ years watching the Sox on his Zenith (though I'm sure he still watched more golf than anything else). I'll ask him if his life has been diminished at all for only seeing the Chicago White Sox win a world championship and not the Cubs. I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.

Age brings wisdom. I wouldn't underestimate this tiny group you're concerned about.

I find it hard to believe that I'm actually defending, and feeling sympathy towards, a segment of Cub fans after reading this. It seems more than a bit condescending to infer that a majority of older Cubs fans are too senile to remember their younger days of fandom and don't matter enough (to you) to be able to choose, on their own, what makes them happy.

I'm not underestimating anybody, but unfortunately I think you are.

GoSox2K3
10-14-2007, 06:46 PM
At least those who jump on the Red Sox bandwagon are backing a team that actually has some history of accomplishing something.

Agreed.

I vote for Cub fans as the worst in baseball because they are the only ones in baseball - maybe in all of sports - that I can think of who care more about attendance than winning. I have talked to many Cub fans and for a great majority, the main point they love to talk about is attendance and how popular the Cubs are.

They care more about the oldness of their ballpark (no matter how smelly, cramped, and full of obstructed seats) than about the team on the field. This may be true in Boston to, but they've actuall

Of course, as some have already pointed out here, it's difficult making blanket statements because for any fan base there are always the deserving kindly, knowledgeable, deserving long time fans. Actually, I feel sorry for the long time Cub fan old timers for two reasons. First, their long suffering with terrible teams. But second, it's because their once humble fan base has been totally taken over by the total assclown 20 and 30-something drunks who are now the face of "Cubdom".

That being said...back on topic...I'm pulling for the Indians in this series. I hate the insufferable full-of-themselvesness of the Red Sox fan base. What once was one of my favorite other teams has become one of my least like teams. I hate the Indians too - they are my least favorite of our division rivals....but in this ALCS I want them to beat the Red Sox. Best case at this point is for the Indians to win the pennant and then lose the World Series.

HerzogVon
10-14-2007, 07:07 PM
I'm not sure if you're soley talking about bandwagon fans or just Cubs fans in general. I happen to know a handful of Cubs fans that are intelligent, respectable baseball followers who know the history of their team. I can't blame them for being dealt their lot in life, but they exist and are the exception to the rule. These are the type of people I feel sorry for.

We all know a few good Cubs fans, no exception here. What frosts me are the media in this town. When you are lucky enough to have two MLB teams - founding franchises, at that - you ought to go out of your way to show respect towards each. No such luck in Chicago.

It was the same way when the Cardinals played NFL football on the south side. They received the Rodney Dangerfield treatment as well. The result was that we lost them, and became a one football club burg. That nearly happened with the Sox...more times than I care to remember.

DSpivack
10-14-2007, 07:44 PM
We all know a few good Cubs fans, no exception here. What frosts me are the media in this town. When you are lucky enough to have two MLB teams - founding franchises, at that - you ought to go out of your way to show respect towards each. No such luck in Chicago.

It was the same way when the Cardinals played NFL football on the south side. They received the Rodney Dangerfield treatment as well. The result was that we lost them, and became a one football club burg. That nearly happened with the Sox...more times than I care to remember.

While true, I think the Cubs get the treatment they do because in a certain sense the media doesn't respect them; they don't expect them to win and celebrate any little event when they do. Sox fans are much different, more realistic in a way, and that reflects itself in the perception surrounding the team. That's not to say they're isn't an inherent bias, but the fact that the Sox are treated just like any other team, as opposed to the attention the Cubs get as 'lovable losers', to me is a good thing.

Fenway
10-14-2007, 11:02 PM
True hardcore Boston fans hate what our fanbase has become. Funny thing is you do not have this problem with the Patriots fans.

Patrick134
10-14-2007, 11:24 PM
True hardcore Boston fans hate what our fanbase has become. Funny thing is you do not have this problem with the Patriots fans.


Good point Fens. It seems now that the douchebag fans were never about beating the Yankees, it's about being the Yankees. If you're anywhere but Boston and New York (or Bristol), the "evil empire" has 2 caps, one black, one red.

MUsoxfan
10-14-2007, 11:30 PM
True hardcore Boston fans hate what our fanbase has become. Funny thing is you do not have this problem with the Patriots fans.


I would if I knew any other than you:tongue:

Fenway
10-15-2007, 07:32 AM
Good point Fens. It seems now that the douchebag fans were never about beating the Yankees, it's about being the Yankees. If you're anywhere but Boston and New York (or Bristol), the "evil empire" has 2 caps, one black, one red.

To quote Bob Ryan "My gawd we have become what we hated". There is not a Patriots Nation around the US like you see with Dallas or Packers even though for 6 years the NFL has revolved around Foxboro.

SBSoxFan
10-15-2007, 09:39 AM
To quote Bob Ryan "My gawd we have become what we hated". There is not a Patriots Nation around the US like you see with Dallas or Packers even though for 6 years the NFL has revolved around Foxboro.

Does this have something to do with the types of players on each team? It's easy to respect Tom Brady. Manny Ramirez? Not so much. Perhaps people resent fans of certain teams as an extension of the personalities those teams employ.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 09:45 AM
That's understandable. The Green Line stops running here at 1am, and I came very close to missing that on a couple of extra inning games this summer.

The problem with the Boston transit system is to stay open past 12:30 AM would cost a small fortune. When they stopped all-night service years ago because the system was broke and the state took it over, the drivers union then inserted a clause in the contract that any run past 1 AM the drivers would get TRIPLE time. Plus if they extend it past 1 AM they must do it for the entire system, not just around Fenway. The only time they do it now is New Year's Eve.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 09:49 AM
I have never seen so much doom and gloom written about a team that is 1-1 after 2 games. :?:

DAN SHAUGHNESSY (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/shaughnessy)
Lasting impression: Rest for the wary (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/lasting_impression_rest_for_the_wary)

From Bombay to Bangor, the global community of Red Sow watchers buzzed about manager Terry Francona's decision to send Eric Gagne into the game for the start of the 11th.

JACKIE MACMULLAN (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/macmullan)
Answering some distress signals (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/answering_some_distress_signals)

Hello, and welcome to the Red Sox Hotline. We are here to help you and your family cope with the events of the past 24 hours in a safe and beneficial manner.

RED SOX NOTEBOOK: Plan is to go forth with Wakefield (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/plan_is_to_go_forth_with_wakefield)
INDIANS NOTEBOOK: 'Big-time' Nixon is leading by example (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/big_time_nixon_is_leading_by_example)
Lesson learned after an all-nighter (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/lesson_learned_after_an_all_nighter)
FROM CLEVELAND.COM: Will the gnats return to the Jake? (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119243716584680.xml&coll=2)

HerzogVon
10-15-2007, 10:44 AM
I have never seen so much doom and gloom written about a team that is 1-1 after 2 games. :?:

DAN SHAUGHNESSY (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/shaughnessy)
Lasting impression: Rest for the wary (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/lasting_impression_rest_for_the_wary)

From Bombay to Bangor, the global community of Red Sow watchers buzzed about manager Terry Francona's decision to send Eric Gagne into the game for the start of the 11th.

JACKIE MACMULLAN (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/macmullan)
Answering some distress signals (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/answering_some_distress_signals)

Hello, and welcome to the Red Sox Hotline. We are here to help you and your family cope with the events of the past 24 hours in a safe and beneficial manner.

RED SOX NOTEBOOK: Plan is to go forth with Wakefield (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/plan_is_to_go_forth_with_wakefield)
INDIANS NOTEBOOK: 'Big-time' Nixon is leading by example (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/big_time_nixon_is_leading_by_example)
Lesson learned after an all-nighter (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/15/lesson_learned_after_an_all_nighter)
FROM CLEVELAND.COM: Will the gnats return to the Jake? (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/119243716584680.xml&coll=2)

Narcissistic drama kings and queens, one and all! Name me another spot within the continental US where people are as obsessed with their patch and themselves? ( "Wrigleyville" doesn't count, as there is no such thing. ) No, you can't.

Perhaps a movie is already in the works? Let's call it "Death of a Nation". Ben Affleck, Dennis Leary and the entire staff of AOL* can star in this gripping soaper about the mass epidemic of hissy fits that MIGHT ensue, IF the BoTox lose to Cleveland. OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

D.W. Grifter


* Did I mention AOL? I meant to say AOL, because AOL is every bit as bad as ESPN. Or, am I the only one who's noticed this?

Fenway
10-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Narcissistic drama kings and queens, one and all! Name me another spot within the continental US where people are as obsessed with their patch and themselves? ( "Wrigleyville" doesn't count, as there is no such thing. ) No, you can't.

Perhaps a movie is already in the works? Let's call it "Death of a Nation". Ben Affleck, Dennis Leary and the entire staff of AOL* can star in this gripping soaper about the mass epidemic of hissy fits that MIGHT ensue, IF the BoTox lose to Cleveland. OH, THE HUMANITY!!!

D.W. Grifter


* Did I mention AOL? I meant to say AOL, because AOL is every bit as bad as ESPN. Or, am I the only one who's noticed this?

My biggest fear is if Boston loses this series it sets the stage for A-Rod coming to Boston. With Schilling gone there is $14 M and if they sign A-Rod then Mike Lowell goes elsewhere.

Dice-K pitched his best game of the year at The Jake winning 1-0 but for the last month he has looked gassed.

Wakefield is supposed to pitch Game 4 but with Tim you never know what you are getting.

Francona could come back with Beckett in Game 4 if they lose tonight but then you still have to use Schilling and D-K to get it to a Game 7 with Beckett.

The only thing I am certain of is the series will return to Boston....but right now I am very nervous about how this will play out.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 11:11 AM
from the Ohio papers

Plain Dealer columnist Terry Pluto took another look at Trot Nixon's heroics (http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/119243758684680.xml&coll=2) in Game 2:


Paul Hoynes writes about a quiet Fenway Park (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/119243755084680.xml&coll=2) in the early morning hours on Sunday:Saturday night, the Indians scored seven runs in the 11th inning to even the AL Championship Series against Boston at one victory apiece. Fenway Park, baseball's raucous green jewel, was so quiet that when Franklin Gutierrez ended the seven-run rally with a three-run homer, the voice of Indians play-by-play announcer Tom Hamilton, calling the homer, could be heard booming out of the broadcast booth and carrying all the way to the far end of the open-windowed press box.

Hamilton has a good set of lungs, but usually it's hard to hear yourself think in the postseason at Fenway.


Mike McIntyre looks at the Indians hoping to get back in the World Series (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/opinion/119243712084680.xml&coll=2) for the first time since 1997.

Dennis Manoloff previews Game 3 (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/119244426386380.xml&coll=2) and has a line about former Indian Manny Ramirez:

Oh and you might be seeing a few midge masks (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/wide/midge_mask.pdf) in the crowd tonight as Tribe fans hope to bug Boston at the Jake:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/EB_midge.jpg

Nellie_Fox
10-15-2007, 11:23 AM
* Did I mention AOL? I meant to say AOL, because AOL is every bit as bad as ESPN. Or, am I the only one who's noticed this?How would I notice what AOL thinks about anything?

spiffie
10-15-2007, 11:32 AM
My biggest fear is if Boston loses this series it sets the stage for A-Rod coming to Boston. With Schilling gone there is $14 M and if they sign A-Rod then Mike Lowell goes elsewhere.
Yes, I would be terrified of having the best player in baseball sign with my team, especially considering that my team has plenty of money to afford him and still plug any other holes they might have. The only thing scarier would be if they decided to try to get Johan Santana too, then you might have to hide under the covers in fear.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 01:22 PM
Yes, I would be terrified of having the best player in baseball sign with my team, especially considering that my team has plenty of money to afford him and still plug any other holes they might have. The only thing scarier would be if they decided to try to get Johan Santana too, then you might have to hide under the covers in fear.

A-Rod would be a bad fit in this town given the past few years. Santana however would be welcomed with open arms.


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spiffie
10-15-2007, 01:33 PM
A-Rod would be a bad fit in this town given the past few years. Santana however would be welcomed with open arms.
I somehow suspect the first time he put a game winner over the Monster it would be kind of like how Manny keeps on being forgiven by the fans who are "fed up with him and ready to see him go." All those moments he's mocked for (the fight, the slapping of the ball) would become times he showed his desperate want to win and that he really doesn't care about money, he just wants to get a ring so he leaves it all on the field.

Then he would go 1-23 in the playoffs and the Rex Sox would go out and sign another couple high priced free agents to try and fill whatever ailed them that year. At some point in there, they would complain about how much the Yankees are spending, and the rest of the world will look at both teams and give a collective :rolleyes:.

I'm not psychic, but I think that's probably about right.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 04:56 PM
It is 67 degrees in Cleveland and they are very worried that as darkness falls the midges will be attracted by the lights again.



LINEUPS

Red Sox
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Julio Lugo, SS
SP - Daisuke Matsuzaka
Indians
1. Grady Sizemore, CF
2. Asdrubal Cabrera, 2B
3. Travis Hafner, DH
4. Victor Martinez, C
5. Ryan Garko, 1B
6. Jhonny Peralta, SS
7. Kenny Lofton, LF
8. Trot Nixon, RF
9. Casey Blake, 3B
SP - Jake Westbrook

Nellie_Fox
10-15-2007, 04:58 PM
It is 67 degrees in Cleveland and they are very worried that as darkness falls the midges will be attracted by the lights again.Hmm. It was my understanding that they only have one emergence in the spring, and sometimes one in the fall.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 05:07 PM
Hmm. It was my understanding that they only have one emergence in the spring, and sometimes one in the fall.

I hope you are right. They are talking about putting on the lights at the football field which is on the lake just in case.

Fenway
10-15-2007, 06:03 PM
Looks like we will not see Gagme again this post-season as Francona can not trust him.

PKalltheway
10-15-2007, 07:15 PM
Great DP turned by Cleveland to get things going.

itsnotrequired
10-15-2007, 07:36 PM
Great DP turned by Cleveland to get things going.

...and a great DP to get out of a bases loaded, zero out situation in the second.

whitesoxfan1986
10-15-2007, 07:48 PM
Kenny Lofton with a homer. 2-0 Jndjans

thomas35forever
10-15-2007, 07:48 PM
Kenny Lofton with a homer. Can't believe the guy still has a swing.

ode to veeck
10-15-2007, 07:54 PM
Kenny Lofton with a homer. Can't believe the guy still has a swing.

He's like the energizer bunny

itsnotrequired
10-15-2007, 08:19 PM
Ortiz is hit by a Rameriz grounder. I haven't seen a runner hit by a batted ball in a while.

chisoxfanatic
10-15-2007, 09:04 PM
Cleveland's added to their total. It's 4-0 right now in the bottom of the 5th!

itsnotrequired
10-15-2007, 09:31 PM
Fenway is working the game tonight and manning a camera near a beer stand.

An Indians fan poured a beer on his hat...

goon
10-15-2007, 10:04 PM
An Indians fan poured a beer on his hat...

what a prick.

itsnotrequired
10-15-2007, 10:38 PM
what a prick.

It is unclear if said hat was on his head at the time.

:redneck

Hendu
10-15-2007, 10:39 PM
Tribe leads 2 games to 1.

2 most overused and unoriginal things in postseason baseball: The homer hanky and 'believe' signs.

Foulke You
10-15-2007, 10:49 PM
Tribe leads 2 games to 1.

2 most overused and unoriginal things in postseason baseball: The homer hanky and 'believe' signs.
Homer hankys don't bother me too much but I'm with you on the "believe" signs. Well, at least the "thunder sticks" fad seems to have died down. Those were terrible.

Fenway
10-16-2007, 12:14 AM
WBZ is reporting Beckett will pitch Game 4 and then would have full rest for Game 7.

Grzegorz
10-16-2007, 05:48 AM
WBZ is reporting Beckett will pitch Game 4 and then would have full rest for Game 7.

Smart move...

Fenway
10-16-2007, 10:22 AM
Smart move...

Looks like we will not know for sure until game time WHO is pitching.

It appears Lucchino wants Beckett to pitch, Francona says for now Wakefield.

Problem for Boston is with Wakefield you get either very good or very bad....then if you pitch Beckett in Game 5 and the series gets back to Fenway you then have Schilling in Game 6 :?: and if there is a Game 7 you roll the dice with Matsuzaka.:whiner:

anyhow here are the fishwraps

Boston Globe
Good times seem distant for Red Sox (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/16/cuffed_in_cleveland)

The Indians last night won their second straight, beating a free-falling Daisuke Matsuzaka, 4-2, at Jacobs Field, to take a 2-1 lead in this best-of-seven series. Forty-one-year-old Tim Wakefield, who has not pitched since Sept. 29, gets the ball tonight for the suddenly reeling Red Sox.

Dicey situation (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/16/dicey_situation)
He was painfully polite to the very end, which once again came much too soon for Daisuke Matsuzaka. (TodaysGlobe("10/16/07","Boston Globe, 10/16/07") Today's GlobeBoston Globe, 10/16/07)

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/File-Based_Image_Resource/dingbat_arrow_icon.gif ON BASEBALL: Shaky team tries to keep the faith (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/16/shaky_team_tries_to_keep_the_faith)

JACKIE MACMULLAN (http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/macmullan)
It's not translating to success (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/16/its_not_translating_to_success)

For the second time in as many postseason starts, Daisuke Matsuzaka failed to get out of the fifth inning.

GAME 4 > RED SOX AT INDIANS, 8:21 P.M. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox)
Veteran Wakefield is game for this start (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/10/16/veteran_wakefield_is_game_for_this_start)

In choosing Tim Wakefield over Josh Beckett, who if he started Game 4 would be going on three days of rest, Terry Francona showed he trusts Wakefield.

Shaughnessy: Beckett should pitch (http://www.boston.com/partners/worldnow/nesn.html?catID=80767&clipid=1840076&autoStart=true&mute=false&continuous=true)

Boston Herald
Dice-K, Sox fizzle again (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1038371)
by Michael Silverman
CLEVELAND - There will be no bubbly in Cleveland this time. When the Red Sox came to Cleveland in...

Veterans move fourth (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1038378)
by Tony Massarotti
CLEVELAND - The knuckleball being what it is, Tim Wakefield can...

Tito pleads: It’s Beckett in 5th (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1038376)
by Michael SilvermanRed Sox Notebook
CLEVELAND - The point will become moot once Tim Wakefield throws his first pitch tonight, but manager Terry Francona can’t understand why...

This test a big challenge (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1038373)
by Tony Massarotti
CLEVELAND - And so now, after so much time in front, the 2007 Red Sox find themselves in a most unfamiliar place. Behind. “We...

Dice-K’s not hot (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1038374)
by Steve Buckley
CLEVELAND - And so came, and so went, another opportunity...

Providence Journal

INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: Again, it’s no Dice (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_sox16_10-16-07_3H7GCT3.38274a6.html)
INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: They’ve made their bed, but will they die in it? (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_seancol16_10-16-07_3H7GCU7.3827eba.html)
INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: Francona, Varitek stay upbeat despite Dice-K’s latest struggle (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-20071015-lateside.1752a3a76.html)
INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: Red Sox hitters are going back in time (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_earlysoxside16_10-16-07_9I7GD3K.3949a83.html)
INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: Pedroia needs ‘to go back to drawing board’ (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/to_rich_lee_1_10-16-07_9I7GGNH.394a838.html)
INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: Sox irked by work of plate umpire Brian Gorman (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/to_rich_lee_2_10-16-07_9I7GGNK.394a701.html)
INDIANS 4, RED SOX 2: Ortiz fine after taking grounder off leg (http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/to_rich_lee_3_10-16-07_9I7GGNN.38b7e12.html)

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Kenny lofts one (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524153269960.xml&coll=2)
Lofton's homer, Westbrook's pitching give Tribe 2-1 lead in American League Championship Series
Pluto: A scene and a feeling (http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1192523626269960.xml&coll=2)


• Livy: Lofton's shot recalls falls past (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/bill_livingston/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524272269960.xml&coll=2)

• Lofton steals the show (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192523547269960.xml&coll=2)
• Peralta still surprising Santiago (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524057269960.xml&coll=2)
• Boston's big two held in check (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524266269960.xml&coll=2)
• At plate, in field, Cabrera delivers (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524382269960.xml&coll=2)
• ALCS won't be bugged with spray (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524308269960.xml&coll=2)
• Wakefield set to go in Game 4 (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192523449269960.xml&coll=2)
• Game 4 preview: Byrd vs. Wakefield (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1192524367269960.xml&coll=2)
• More from The Plain Dealer (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/)

Akron Beacon Journal
Lofton blasts two-run homer; Westbrook gets grounders galore
CLEVELAND: All it took for Kenny Lofton to become a folk hero in Cleveland was a July trade that delivered him from the Texas Rangers to the Indians. Read the story (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10567451.html)

Ortiz, Ramirez go quiet in night (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10567056.html)
Fox Sports broadcasters an improvement over TBS (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10567501.html)
Wedge gives Nixon start in Game 3 (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10567566.html)
Sinkerball helps keep Tribe ahead (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10567571.html)
Photos: Tribe 4-2 to take Game 3 (http://www.ohio.com/sports/indians/10564611.html)

spawn
10-16-2007, 10:26 AM
I think Boston is going to win this easily.

It has taken 6 months but Manny has found his swing and when he starts going on a tear look out.....

Boston usually has no problem with Borowski.
So much for your predicition. :wink: :D:

Fenway
10-16-2007, 10:32 AM
So much for your predicition. :wink: :D:

:whiner:

Bucky F. Dent
10-16-2007, 10:33 AM
WBZ is reporting Beckett will pitch Game 4 and then would have full rest for Game 7.


Anyone watching the game last night listen to the mind numbing inning long conversation that Buck & McCarver had about the difference between pitching Beckett on three or four days rest.

My God, I thought they were going to break out a power point presentation at some point.

We get it, more rest is better!!!!

And for those of you who might not remember, because we've only repeated it a dozen times in the last six minutes, Beckett won game six of the 2003 world series, beating our beloved Joe Torre and the new york yankees, on three days rest.

Letting their bias show, B&M gave no consideration whatsoever to how the Indians might adjust their rotation.

Apparently no one cares about that.

spawn
10-16-2007, 10:43 AM
Anyone watching the game last night listen
Letting their bias show, B&M gave no consideration whatsoever to how the Indians might adjust their rotation.

Apparently no one cares about that.
I don't see that as bias. They probably didn't say anything because Cleveland doesn't have to adjust their rotation. Sabathia and Carmona would pitch games 5 & 6 if necessary, and the Red Sox lit both of them up. Westbrook pitched a nice game last night, and would pitch game 7. Byrd pitched well against the Yankees in his only appearance in the post-season, so there is no need to skip his turn in the roatation, especially being up 2-1. There is no need for the Indians to panic.

The Red Sox are down 2-1, with Wakefield scheduled to start. He's been hurt, so you don't know what you'll get from him. The Red Sox don't want to go down 3 games to 1, so they may need to re-consider their rotation.

Fenway
10-16-2007, 11:29 AM
I must concede The Jake is my second favorite new park after AT&T in San Francisco. Too bad it is in Cleveland

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/16/1192536898_6493.jpg

ilsox7
10-16-2007, 11:36 AM
I must concede The Jake is my second favorite new park after AT&T in San Francisco. Too bad it is in Cleveland

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/16/1192536898_6493.jpg

The Jake is awesome. Cleveland ain't that bad, either. Especially if you're just visiting.

Fenway
10-16-2007, 11:59 AM
The Jake is awesome. Cleveland ain't that bad, either. Especially if you're just visiting.

We doing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in a few minutes.

Cleveland is certainly a lot better off than cities like St Louis or Detroit.

They certainly have some wacko fans
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/16/1192540196_8903.jpg
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/16/1192540195_7659.jpg

ilsox7
10-16-2007, 12:04 PM
We doing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in a few minutes.

Cleveland is certainly a lot better off than cities like St Louis or Detroit.

They certainly have some wacko fans
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/16/1192540196_8903.jpg
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/10/16/1192540195_7659.jpg

If you can get into Great Lakes Brewery, go there for a beer and food. The Winking Lizard chain of bars are nice, too.

Fenway
10-16-2007, 12:10 PM
It has been a long time for Cleveland.

White Sox fans will notice a familar face in this pic

http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/cleve/images/7315/13.jpg

and this clown is LOUD
http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/images/2006/07/17/dt2rjr9c.jpg

thomas35forever
10-16-2007, 12:30 PM
Could it be any more obvious who Joe Buck wants to win this series? He was practically silent near and at the end. He probably ranks 2004 as the best postseason he's ever called.

Viva Medias B's
10-16-2007, 01:22 PM
Could it be any more obvious who Joe Buck wants to win this series? He was practically silent near and at the end. He probably ranks 2004 as the best postseason he's ever called.

That is quite a statement considering his own team won it all last year, and that team which won it all in 2004 did so at the expense of his own team.

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 01:47 PM
It has been a long time for Cleveland.

White Sox fans will notice a familar face in this pic

http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/cleve/images/7315/13.jpg


A pretty good shot of "pegleg" Bill

Fenway
10-16-2007, 02:41 PM
Just spent a couple of hours over at the Rock and Roll HoF and will do more there tomorrow on the off day.

Cracked up when I saw a small exhibit for the famous DJ's of years past that included a famous Boston DJ Arnie "Woo Woo" Ginsburg. He is in with some good company.

Bruce Morrow, Dan Ingram, Scott Muni, Paul Berlin, Art Laboe, Dick Biondi, Joey Reynolds, Martha Jean the Queen Steinberg, Dave Marsden, Hal Jackson, Jerry Blavat, Pat O'Day, Porky Chedwick, Red Robbins, Jack Armstrong, Denny Sanders and Max Floyd




They don't do radio like this anymore :tongue:
Click here to hear Arnie on his FIRST DAY on WRKO (http://audio.wrko.org/aircheck_wrko/6703_ginsburg.ram)

http://www.wrko.org/_talentpix_pr/pr_ginsburg_sm.jpg (http://www.wrko.org/prphotos/prginsburg.htm)

Fenway
10-16-2007, 02:49 PM
Very good article on the pros and cons of pitching with only 3 days rest

http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2007/10/16/three_days_grace/


Red Sox fans are split down the middle on this

SURVEY: Would you rather see Beckett in Game 4? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/polls/10_16_2007_game4starter)

Nellie_Fox
10-16-2007, 03:18 PM
Very good article on the pros and cons of pitching with only 3 days restBuck Martinez talked about this on XM the other morning. He raised the point that it sends a "panic" signal to the rest of the team to suddenly change the way you do business to that degree.

Fenway
10-16-2007, 03:55 PM
Weather looks iffy for tonight ( but after Sunday in Denver.... )

Raining hard here right now

http://www.weathernet5.com/index.html


One can get seasick looking at the ore boats bobbing in Lake Erie

wilburaga
10-16-2007, 04:15 PM
Buck Martinez talked about this on XM the other morning. He raised the point that it sends a "panic" signal to the rest of the team to suddenly change the way you do business to that degree.

Wedge did an excellent job of ignoring my advice that Byrd be bumped from game 4 versus NY.

Maybe, just maybe, these guys know something we don't.

W

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 05:28 PM
Very good article on the pros and cons of pitching with only 3 days rest

http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2007/10/16/three_days_grace/


Red Sox fans are split down the middle on this

SURVEY: Would you rather see Beckett in Game 4? (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/polls/10_16_2007_game4starter)

I'd give the ball to Beckett as the Red Sox can't afford to fall behind 3-1 and Becket's won convincingly in the playoffs on 3 days rest before (heck with sabremetricians anyways!)

chisoxmike
10-16-2007, 08:29 PM
I gotta say, the Cleveland crowds seem like they've been the most "into the games" for a lack of a better term.

Also, Fenway, sorry to hear about the jag Cleveland fans the other night. That shouldn't be done to anybody anywhere. What a total lack common sense.

MarySwiss
10-16-2007, 08:44 PM
YIKES!! Anyone else see the cameraman with the Sox Locker Room hat? Was that our very own Fenway?? Almost had to be!! :D:

SoxandtheCityTee
10-16-2007, 08:49 PM
YIKES!! Anyone else see the cameraman with the Sox Locker Room hat? Was that our very own Fenway?? Almost had to be!! :D:

Whose at-bat? I just turned to the game.

chisoxmike
10-16-2007, 08:51 PM
OH MAN!!!!!!!!!

Nice **** up job FOX! They left out the Sox when they were mentioning and showing clips of all of Kenny Lofton's teams.

:rolleyes:

Mr. White Sox
10-16-2007, 08:52 PM
Kenny Lofton played part of a season with the White Sox too, didn't he? They said he played 2002 with the Giants but I thought he was traded that year from Chicago.

chisoxmike
10-16-2007, 08:52 PM
Kenny Lofton played part of a season with the White Sox too, didn't he? They said he played 2002 with the Giants but I thought he was traded that year from Chicago.


Yeah, they left that out.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Hendu
10-16-2007, 08:53 PM
YIKES!! Anyone else see the cameraman with the Sox Locker Room hat? Was that our very own Fenway?? Almost had to be!! :D:

Shoot, I missed it.

Wakefield's knuckler is working so far.

Hendu
10-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Kenny Lofton played part of a season with the White Sox too, didn't he? They said he played 2002 with the Giants but I thought he was traded that year from Chicago.

I think they were only referring to teams he's been to the post-season with.

thomas35forever
10-16-2007, 08:59 PM
What's with the camera staring directly at Byrd's face? Looks like something out of a movie.

Huisj
10-16-2007, 09:02 PM
I think they were only referring to teams he's been to the post-season with.

Yep, that's what I heard too. No need to get all worked up people--just because it's Fox doesn't mean it's automatically incorrect or out to get the Sox.

On another note, does that funny camera from behind the plate that they use to show a closeup of the pitcher's head drive anyone else nuts? It's like it's using film or something. Every time they show it, I think I'm watching a documentary about the game put together by NFL Films.

EDIT: ha, looks like thomas35forever thinks so too.

MarySwiss
10-16-2007, 09:11 PM
YIKES!! Anyone else see the cameraman with the Sox Locker Room hat? Was that our very own Fenway?? Almost had to be!! :D:

Whose at-bat? I just turned to the game.

Shoot, I missed it.

Wakefield's knuckler is working so far.

I almost missed it myself. It was some kind of aside they were using as filler. There were two cameramen, and one of them had a Sox WS Locker Room cap on.

Sockinchisox
10-16-2007, 09:13 PM
OH MAN!!!!!!!!!

Nice **** up job FOX! They left out the Sox when they were mentioning and showing clips of all of Kenny Lofton's teams.

:rolleyes:

They left out the Phillies to.

Huisj
10-16-2007, 09:16 PM
Thank goodness for Fox's webMD injury report. They kept on talking about this weird thing that Wakefield's been having pain in--something called a shoulder--and I just couldn't figure out for the life of me what they meant. But then they showed the webMD injury report, and I get it now; the shoulder is that joint that your arm juts out of just down from your neck and above your armpit. phew, I was confused before that.

soltrain21
10-16-2007, 09:27 PM
OH MAN!!!!!!!!!

Nice **** up job FOX! They left out the Sox when they were mentioning and showing clips of all of Kenny Lofton's teams.

:rolleyes:


It was only teams he went to the postseason with. Nice try, though.

Huisj
10-16-2007, 09:35 PM
Buck just mentioned how well Ramirez knows the big left field wall at Jacobs field when he fielded that ball from Peralta (implying that it was because of the years he spent playing there). But wait, didn't he play RF the whole time he was with Cleveland?

Hendu
10-16-2007, 09:43 PM
Buck just mentioned how well Ramirez knows the big left field wall at Jacobs field when he fielded that ball from Peralta (implying that it was because of the years he spent playing there). But wait, didn't he play RF the whole time he was with Cleveland?

I believe so. Nice catch.

Oblong
10-16-2007, 09:45 PM
Could Joe Buck have sounded more disappointed at the Indians hitting a HR????

Seriously, I hope the audio is available.

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 09:56 PM
Could Joe Buck have sounded more disappointed at the Indians hitting a HR????

Seriously, I hope the audio is available.

I record but don't listen to the audio. It's too painful to bear.

thomas35forever
10-16-2007, 09:58 PM
Hey, the movie camera on the pitcher is gone.

chisoxfanatic
10-16-2007, 10:05 PM
Wow. I think this series will be over on Thursday.

chisoxmike
10-16-2007, 10:06 PM
It was only teams he went to the postseason with. Nice try, though.


Worth a try, I think.

palehozenychicty
10-16-2007, 10:08 PM
I gotta say, the Cleveland crowds seem like they've been the most "into the games" for a lack of a better term.

Also, Fenway, sorry to hear about the jag Cleveland fans the other night. That shouldn't be done to anybody anywhere. What a total lack common sense.


Have you been watching the Rockies at all?! I know that they've been on late, but Coors has been as racuous as anywhere I've seen. NOTHING was as loud as the Cell in October 2005, but Coors comes close.

Patrick134
10-16-2007, 10:09 PM
With all the extra rounds of playoffs. these "all time postseason records" are kind of tainted. Not like Bonds, but tainted nonetheless.

ilsox7
10-16-2007, 10:09 PM
With Boston possibly going down 3-1, can anyone tell me if the sun will rise tomorrow?

Hendu
10-16-2007, 10:10 PM
Flood gates are open. How much you wanna bet that the Boston media are going to rip Francona to shreds for starting Wakefield? If he had started Beckett and the move backfired of course they would also rip him to shreds.

The Red Sox are in trouble. They don't have the pitching depth to pull off another 2004 miracle.

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 10:11 PM
With Boston possibly going down 3-1, can anyone tell me if the sun will rise tomorrow?

:tealpolice:

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 10:12 PM
Where is "Dandy" Don Meredith? He'd be singing "turn out the lights ... "

Patrick134
10-16-2007, 10:12 PM
Flood gates are open. How much you wanna bet that the Boston media are going to rip Francona to shreds for starting Wakefield? If he had started Beckett and the move backfired of course they would also rip him to shreds.

The Red Sox are in trouble. They don't have the pitching depth to pull off another 2004 miracle.


well beckett can win and make it go back to Fenway, but that's hardly a lock, especially with how Boston's offense has tanked lately.

chisoxmike
10-16-2007, 10:13 PM
Have you been watching the Rockies at all?! I know that they've been on late, but Coors has been as racuous as anywhere I've seen. NOTHING was as loud as the Cell in October 2005, but Coors comes close.

Yeah. I still think Cleveland seems like they've been the best crowds, with Colorado a close second.

I saw a lot of people just standing and smiling during the Rockies game last night when they clinched.

Granted, I really can't say anything since I'm not at any of the games. But just by seeing them on TV, it seems Cleveland is the loudest.

PKalltheway
10-16-2007, 10:15 PM
Red Sox are falling apart right now

palehozenychicty
10-16-2007, 10:16 PM
Well, Fens said that the Red Sox would win in 5. I guess that he was wrong. :D:

Hendu
10-16-2007, 10:22 PM
Yeah. I still think Cleveland seems like they've been the best crowds, with Colorado a close second.

I saw a lot of people just standing and smiling during the Rockies game last night when they clinched.

Granted, I really can't say anything since I'm not at any of the games. But just by seeing them on TV, it seems Cleveland is the loudest.

I wonder if the noise factor has anything to do with TBS vs. Fox production values. Didn't Fens say that they were ordered by TBS to turn the volume down before the divisional series?

Huisj
10-16-2007, 10:25 PM
I wonder if the noise factor has anything to do with TBS vs. Fox production values. Didn't Fens say that they were ordered by TBS to turn the volume down before the divisional series?

I have always kind of thought that Fox broadcasts in general tend to have loud crowd noise, even on just blah mid-summer Saturday afternoon games. There are times then they overpower what the announcers are saying (which is ok sometimes).

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 10:28 PM
I have always kind of thought that Fox broadcasts in general tend to have loud crowd noise, even on just blah mid-summer Saturday afternoon games. There are times then they overpower what the announcers are saying (which is ok sometimes).

OK almost anytime

MarySwiss
10-16-2007, 10:33 PM
OK almost anytime

OK pretty much all the time! :smile:

Brian26
10-16-2007, 10:34 PM
Nobody should be showboating in the 6th inning when they're down by four runs. Act like you've hit a homerun before, Manny.

MarySwiss
10-16-2007, 10:36 PM
(All together now) It's just Manny being Manny. :wink:

chisoxfanatic
10-16-2007, 10:37 PM
(All together now) It's just Manny being Manny. :wink:
X2

PKalltheway
10-16-2007, 10:39 PM
Nobody should be showboating in the 6th inning when they're down by four runs. Act like you've hit a homerun before, Manny.
I wish somebody would just grow some ****ing balls, and brush his sorry ass back.

ode to veeck
10-16-2007, 10:44 PM
I wish somebody would just grow some ****ing balls, and brush his sorry ass back.

Where's Nolan Ryan or Bob Gibson when you need them

PKalltheway
10-16-2007, 10:50 PM
Where's Nolan Ryan or Bob Gibson when you need them
You're telling me...that is ridiculous...

itsnotrequired
10-16-2007, 10:57 PM
Fenway sporting a Ravens cap and working the mid-level third base camera tonight.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-16-2007, 11:01 PM
Fenway sporting a Ravens cap and working the mid-level third base camera tonight.

I never did spot him in the Sox cap, but thought I'd missed it.