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DumpJerry
10-06-2007, 10:00 PM
Start anew

soxstarter
10-06-2007, 10:01 PM
Call out the therapists....suicide watches are on.

rdwj
10-06-2007, 10:01 PM
Let's ALL sing...

Na na na na,
Na na na na,
Hey hey hey,

GOODBYE!!!

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:02 PM
Call out the therapists....suicide watches are on.

M'eh. The good Cub fans I know saw this coming for the last week. The others, they probably still don't know what happened. They are just trying to flag down their bartender. :cool:

vegyrex
10-06-2007, 10:03 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/vegyrex/Cryingcubfan.jpg
No joy in Flubbieville tonight. :wink:

Frontman
10-06-2007, 10:03 PM
Sorry if this is a dupe post, as the original thread locked just as I posted up my response to Matt "Drinky" Abbatacola for his bragging about post-season Cubs baseball via myspace:

"Hey Drinky!

Normally, I don't rub it in, but when you put it out there, you open mouth, insert foot.

Listen you idiot. The Cubs won the same amount of games as the Sox in October, and the Sox didn't even try!

(Neither did the Cubs, it seems.)

You go spin that on Monday with your "they made a statement" and how they're the most popular team in town.

One team in this town has won a Series in the last ONE HUNDRED YEARS, and that's the Sox.

Have a good pub crawl. Trust me, it doesn't hurt much to see your team lose in the playoffs.

At your age (and liver damage) you should be used to it by now.

Have fun blaming Bartman, the goat, and how Pinella made "a mistake" by trusting his hottest relief pitcher in game 1. Or that it was any number of excuses you want to make.

No matter how you spin it, no matter how you point it out, the Cubs lost. Period.


Oh sure, they had a better record than the Sox, I'll give you that. They might be in better shape to get back to the playoffs; I'll even give you that as the Cubs division is real weak at this time. But no matter what, both Lou Pinella and Ozzie Guillen will be doing the same thing when the World Series starts.



Watching.


As your boss Berstein would point out, its all about winning in the playoffs, not just making it."

Ex-Chicagoan
10-06-2007, 10:04 PM
I think you let him off light. The wife-beating thing was inappropriate.

russ99
10-06-2007, 10:05 PM
So I'm thinking of heading out to make a round of my North side 'hood with my green Sox hat, a broom and my "Hey Cub Fans" middle finger t-shirt.

Who's with me? :D:

Oh and to the "It's gonna happen" idiot, I have an urgent message for you, it's not.

October26
10-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Thank you, Arizona Diamondbacks! You were by far the better team in that series. Congratulations! Cubs have been eliminated from the playoffs - thank goodness.:D:

viagracat
10-06-2007, 10:06 PM
They Gone!

:bandance::supernana::bandance:

Foultips
10-06-2007, 10:06 PM
The sign now reads 006299 idiots

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:08 PM
Horrible programming choices by the Snore and MVPee. The only place for Cubs fans to vent is on WGN radio... and you know they're not letting THOSE "greatest fans in the world" get on the air.

:smile:

Lip Man 1
10-06-2007, 10:08 PM
99 years (and counting...)

Lip

Frontman
10-06-2007, 10:10 PM
I think you let him off light. The wife-beating thing was inappropriate.

See, unlike the usual Cub fan "All Sox fans are ignorant" I'm not sinking to that level of insult. Drinky will get his due, I'm sure; but at the end, considering their station still employs Mike North? His wife-beating comment pales in comparison to North's rants.

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:10 PM
99 years (and counting...)

Lip


I want to pull in from the old thread about the "C" on the hat being the roman numeral for their 100 year drought. I am still ROLLING about that one!

Ex-Chicagoan
10-06-2007, 10:12 PM
See, unlike the usual Cub fan "All Sox fans are ignorant" I'm not sinking to that level of insult. Drinky will get his due, I'm sure; but at the end, considering their station still employs Mike North? His wife-beating comment pales in comparison to North's rants.

Oh, I understand. I just hope that someone who receives the note passes it on to his bosses. Domestic violence just isn't a funny topic.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:13 PM
First caller gets through on 'GN...

Says Piniella needs to "kick them in the butt."

:?:

Second caller: Sun is still shiny. "I'm just glad they're back in the playoffs."

:gulp:

Foultips
10-06-2007, 10:13 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:13 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.

Speak for yourself.

JB98
10-06-2007, 10:14 PM
I had the Cubs winning this series. :o:

How did the Cubs not pound Doug Davis and Livan Hernandez ? :?:

idiot >me:redface:

It could be worse. Our sports editor here at the Aurora Beacon News picked the Cubs to beat the Yankees in the World Series. LOL!

I had Diamondbacks in five. Even I gave that special Cubbie team too much credit. :redface:

WhiteSox5187
10-06-2007, 10:14 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.
That's true, but there hasn't been a whole lot to be happy about this year. Of course, after we win the WS in 2008 it will be all the sweeter!

Viva Medias B's
10-06-2007, 10:14 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.

I think we were happier than this when Thome hit No. 500.

WSox73
10-06-2007, 10:14 PM
WGN News was going on about curses, The Lovable Losers, etc.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:14 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.

I'm calling bull**** on this one.

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:15 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.

I think we were happier than this when Thome hit No. 500.


... and when Buehrle-mon pitched his no-hitter. :D:

Johnny Mostil
10-06-2007, 10:16 PM
I had the Cubs winning this series. :o:

How did the Cubs not pound Doug Davis and Livan Hernandez ? :?:

idiot >me:redface:

Hell, I had them winning the next one, too . . . :duck:

That's why I'm here and not in Vegas, I guess . . .:redface:

MarySwiss
10-06-2007, 10:17 PM
Thank you, Arizona Diamondbacks! You were by far the better team in that series. Congratulations! Cubs have been eliminated from the playoffs - thank goodness.:D:

Love it! The D'Backs never got any respect. And from what I've heard, neither did the Rox. I was rooting for the Phils because of Aaron and Tadahito, but the idea of a D'Backs/Rox NLCS is appealing, if for no other reason than it would drive the networks crazy!

And the winner of that series facing Cleveland? Choice!:smile:

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:19 PM
Love it! The D'Backs never got any respect. And from what I've heard, neither did the Rox. I was rooting for the Phils because of Aaron and Tadahito, but the idea of a D'Backs/Rox NLCS is appealing, if for no other reason than it would drive the networks crazy!

And the winner of that series facing Cleveland? Choice!:smile:


I'm rooting for Cleveland too.

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:19 PM
Love it! The D'Backs never got any respect. And from what I've heard, neither did the Rox. I was rooting for the Phils because of Aaron and Tadahito, but the idea of a D'Backs/Rox NLCS is appealing, if for no other reason than it would drive the networks crazy!

And the winner of that series facing Cleveland? Choice!:smile:

MarySwiss I totally concur. I'm going with the Rockies as my first choice to win it all (especially coming off of their impressive season-ending run, that wild playoff game vs. San Diego and winning the first two in Philly), but I'd be just as happy to see the D'Backs go all the way. :D:

MarySwiss
10-06-2007, 10:20 PM
First caller gets through on 'GN...

Says Piniella needs to "kick them in the butt."

:?:

Second caller: Sun is still shiny. "I'm just glad they're back in the playoffs."

:gulp:

George, are you serious? This is dumb, even for Cub fans!:?:

Johnny Mostil
10-06-2007, 10:20 PM
Love it! The D'Backs never got any respect. And from what I've heard, neither did the Rox.

I'd mentioned in another thread that I hadn't even known until today that every team in the West (including the Giants) had a winning record against NL teams outside the division. (The only NL team to have a winning record against the West was the Braves.) That impressed me even more than the D-backs, Rox, and Pads having the three best records in the league . . .

Cellview22
10-06-2007, 10:20 PM
Love it! The D'Backs never got any respect. And from what I've heard, neither did the Rox. I was rooting for the Phils because of Aaron and Tadahito, but the idea of a D'Backs/Rox NLCS is appealing, if for no other reason than it would drive the networks crazy!

And the winner of that series facing Cleveland? Choice!:smile:

That's exactly what I was hoping for all along too. Great minds think alike..:D:

BTW, just heard Gov Blagojevich interviewed outside of Wrigley: "Well, I love the Cubs more today than I did yesterday". :rolleyes: What a nut job!

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:21 PM
That's exactly what I was hoping for all along too. Great minds think alike..:D:

BTW, just heard Gov Blagojevich interviewed outside of Wrigley: "Well, I love the Cubs more today than I did yesterday". :rolleyes: What a nut job!

Guess Blago digs the Spiral Starecase. :D:

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:22 PM
Is anyone listening to this dork on GN going on about how other teams are dancing on their field.

"our fan base is so much bigger but we never get rewarded! :whiner:"

Nothing on this station isn't filtered through the ownership sieve.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:22 PM
Third caller at WGN radio: "Division isn't enough." Kaplan replies Cubs need another arm... I'm guessing he'll next point out the sky is blue?
:wink:

MarySwiss
10-06-2007, 10:23 PM
MarySwiss I totally concur. I'm going with the Rockies as my first choice to win it all (especially coming off of their impressive season-ending run, that wild playoff game vs. San Diego and winning the first two in Philly), but I'd be just as happy to see the D'Backs go all the way. :D:
Yurp. I'd obviously rather see the D'Backs win, but I don't hate on the Rox. And I don't think the NL team will beat the AL team, but if I am right, please God let it be Cleveland and not those obnoxious Red Sawx with their obnoxious fans.

That'd include you, Fens! :cool:

WSox73
10-06-2007, 10:25 PM
Guess Blago digs the Spiral Starecase. :D:


BINGO!

Frontman
10-06-2007, 10:25 PM
Is anyone listening to this dork on GN going on about how other teams are dancing on their field.

"our fan base is so much bigger but we never get rewarded! :whiner:"

Nothing on this station isn't filtered through the ownership sieve.

Didn't matter to us Sox fans when it was on 3 separate celebrations on opposing team's fields, why would it matter the size of the fanbase?

Oh, that's your point. :wink:

russ99
10-06-2007, 10:26 PM
This official company line of "they'll be good next year" (isn't that always the excuse) is bunk. They barely played over.500 baseball with that bloated payroll.

Also, the Cubs have a serious question mark for 2008, the sale of the Cubs and (maybe) Wrigley Field that could hamstring this year's open-purse policy for next year and could even become a bigger controversy than the play of team.

And it that's not enough, I'm convinced Zambozo will have arm trouble next year. Look at the pattern. He's a 27 years old power pitcher with no guile or patience with 210+ inning in each of the last 5 seasons under the same coaches that burned out Wood and Prior.

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:28 PM
Didn't matter to us Sox fans when it was on 3 separate celebrations on opposing team's fields, why would it matter the size of the fanbase?

Oh, that's your point. :wink:


i guess they could stop all that celebrating from other teams by winning..

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:28 PM
They're STILL talking about free agent pitchers... and Kaplan is accusing the METS of being too crazy in their spending!

Now I understand where all the delusional thinking of their fans begins... listening to this pap.

:o:

JB98
10-06-2007, 10:28 PM
That's exactly what I was hoping for all along too. Great minds think alike..:D:

BTW, just heard Gov Blagojevich interviewed outside of Wrigley: "Well, I love the Cubs more today than I did yesterday". :rolleyes: What a nut job!

That's really stupid. The Cubs didn't lose yesterday. They lost today. So why does he love them more today?

MarySwiss
10-06-2007, 10:28 PM
That's exactly what I was hoping for all along too. Great minds think alike..:D:

BTW, just heard Gov Blagojevich interviewed outside of Wrigley: "Well, I love the Cubs more today than I did yesterday". :rolleyes: What a nut job!

When I lived in Chicago, this guy was my ward committeeman or somesuch. I thought he was a clown even then. When I saw he'd been elected governor, my reaction was, "What? You're kidding!?"

I stand by that reaction.

JB98
10-06-2007, 10:30 PM
They're STILL talking about free agent pitchers... and Kaplan is accusing the METS of being too crazy in their spending!

Now I understand where all the delusional thinking of their fans begins... listening to this pap.

:o:

After the Game 1 loss, Kaplan assured his Cubbie listeners, "We WILL get to Doug Davis..."

:rolling:

DumpJerry
10-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Official Cub tee shirt which goes on sale tonight:

"99 years is long enough damnit!"

Do you realize that the 5 dozen or so people on Planet Earth today who were alive the last time the Cubs won it all could not watch it on television or listen to it on the radio? Lucky souls!

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:30 PM
They're STILL talking about free agent pitchers... and Kaplan is accusing the METS of being too crazy in their spending!

Now I understand where all the delusional thinking of their fans begins... listening to this pap.

:o:


They just suggested that Rowand would be a great free agent signing for the cubs.. After all he has a World Series ring.

::Screeeammm:: I won't be able to handle that.

Frontman
10-06-2007, 10:31 PM
For those saying we haven't been this happy in months, should just look to my post here

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1691869&postcount=19

And I'm sure all of those events brought more joy and happiness to the Sox fanbase than the Cubs losing. Hell, only thing I'm glad about this being over is that we don't have to have all sports talk in this town dominated by Cubs talk. Maybe we can now hear about the other teams.

Like the Blackhawks, Bulls, and Bears. It's their seasons now.

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:31 PM
After the Game 1 loss, Kaplan assured his Cubbie listeners, "We WILL get to Doug Davis..."

:rolling:


Kinda like when whats-his-bucket asked "Who's Carl Pavano?" in the 2003 NLCS.

russ99
10-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Do you realize that the 5 dozen or so people on Planet Earth today who were alive the last time the Cubs won it all could not watch it on television or listen to it on the radio? Lucky souls!

Yeah, but the White Stockings fans had to put up with the ravings of the 1908 "Mariotti" on the teletype.

BainesHOF
10-06-2007, 10:34 PM
At least the Cubs have Zambrano going in Game 4.

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:35 PM
At least the Cubs have Zambrano going in Game 4.


Yep, that would be for the Cubic Zirconia award ("lovely, isn't it... but is it Real?????").

Scottiehaswheels
10-06-2007, 10:37 PM
At least the Cubs have Zambrano going in Game 4.Ah yes... He of the infamous Cy Young award and World Series guarantee earlier this year?

October26
10-06-2007, 10:38 PM
:rolling: Seriously, though. How come nobody asked "Sweet Lou" about this in the post game conference today? Why he was planning ahead to a game that will never be played. If Ozzie does something like this he would have been raked over the coals. 'course, I don't really think Ozzie could do something so stupid ...

Domeshot17
10-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Sox Fans, this is for you, sorry its a little choppy, rushed it. If anyone wants to use this to taunt cub fans, feel free.


http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q164/domeshot17/sweeo.jpg

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:39 PM
:rolling: Seriously, though. How come nobody asked "Sweet Lou" about this in the post game conference today? Why he was planning ahead to a game that will never be played. If Ozzie does something like this he would have been raked over the coals. 'course, I don't really think Ozzie could do something so stupid ...

Lou has been raked over the coals for a few days now. Asking after losing a series would be poor taste, IMO. He's made it clear how he feels about it. No need to go any further.

Johnny Mostil
10-06-2007, 10:40 PM
At least the Cubs have Zambrano going in Game 4.

Damn straight. Lou Piniella is too good a manager to lose a best-of-five series 5-0 . . .:redneck

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:40 PM
Finally... the fourth caller gets through.

"Cubs are a terrible fundamental team." Kaplan says DeRosa needs to make sure the pitch is a strike.

:gulp:

Fifth caller: MIA
:gulp:

Sixth caller: 35 year Cub fan... "seen good and bad"...:?: "Why should I ever watch this team ever again?" Kaplan implores him to the Cubbie psychoanalysis couch... "Other teams make the same mistakes... just not for 100 years!"

Comedy gold!!!

:roflmao:

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Finally... the fourth caller gets through.

"Cubs are a terrible fundamental team." Kaplan says DeRosa needs to make sure the pitch is a strike.

:gulp:

Fifth caller: MIA
:gulp:

Sixth caller: 35 year Cub fan... seen good and bad...:?: "Why should I ever walk this team ever again?" Kaplan implores him to the Cubbie psychoanalysis couch... "Other teams make the same mistakes... just not for 100 years!"

Comedy gold!!!

:roflmao:


Yeah. And he says, "If you don't watch the cubs, what's your alternative?"

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:43 PM
Yeah. And he says, "If you don't watch the cubs, what's your alternative?"


Hmmmm let's see... alphabetizing my DVDs, organizing my sock drawer, cleaning the cat box, baking a quiche, the possibilities are endless...

October26
10-06-2007, 10:44 PM
Lou has been raked over the coals for a few days now. Asking after losing a series would be poor taste, IMO. He's made it clear how he feels about it. No need to go any further.

Thank you for the clarification. I turned off the radio (except for XM Satellite radio) for the last two weeks or so and have not read the papers. I am happy the Cubs have been eliminated and do not need to do anything further (i.e., harass cub fans, call talk radio, or be obnoxious etc). After today, I can now turn the radio on and no longer listen to "go Cubs go" being played on practically every radio station every 5 minutes in Chicago. This is a relief for me. :D:

Grzegorz
10-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Lou has been raked over the coals for a few days now. Asking after losing a series would be poor taste, IMO. He's made it clear how he feels about it. No need to go any further.

Pinella is one helluva manager. He and Trammell are such an upgrade to what they've had as on-field management the past decade or more.

You want a reason the Cubs lost? Look to its veterans and all their playoff experience that was to carry the day.

Cuck the Fubs
10-06-2007, 10:45 PM
For a team that the Chicago media labeled "smoke and mirrors" the Diamondbacks did a great job of making the Cubs vanish!!!

Thanks for making my weekend D Backs!

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:46 PM
Pinella is one helluva manager. He and Trammell are such an upgrade to what they've had as on-field management the past decade or more.

You want a reason the Cubs lost? Look to its veterans and all their playoff experience that was to carry the day.

Lou is a solid manager. But he made a big, big mistake in game 1. The Cubs still lose this series b/c of their lack of hitting, but Lou deserves to take his fair share of lumps.

white sox bill
10-06-2007, 10:46 PM
This official company line of "they'll be good next year" (isn't that always the excuse) is bunk. They barely played over.500 baseball with that bloated payroll.

Also, the Cubs have a serious question mark for 2008, the sale of the Cubs and (maybe) Wrigley Field that could hamstring this year's open-purse policy for next year and could even become a bigger controversy than the play of team.

And it that's not enough, I'm convinced Zambozo will have arm trouble next year. Look at the pattern. He's a 27 years old power pitcher with no guile or patience with 210+ inning in each of the last 5 seasons under the same coaches that burned out Wood and Prior.

The warm and fuzzys never follow up with a winning season after a playoff apperance

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Seventh caller: "We're die-hards! Just left Wrigley with her 12 y.o. ... not a true Cub fan if you don't believe in next year."

"My dad was a Cubs fan and got his heart broken in '45"

"Now my son is going through it, too. I believe by the time I'm a grandmother they'll win."

Whoa.... lots of drugs in this family...

:o:

Grzegorz
10-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Lou is a solid manager. But he made a big, big mistake in game 1. The Cubs still lose this series b/c of their lack of hitting, but Lou deserves to take his fair share of lumps.

I disagree; the move in the first game was just fine. His players did not execute.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:49 PM
Eighth caller: How do 'rookies' beat supposedly composed veteran players?

Can't remember when Dbacks won series but it was certainly more recent than 1908.

:roflmao:

Domeshot17
10-06-2007, 10:49 PM
Lou 10000% made the right move. He knows Zambrano cant come back on 3 days rest after 100 pitches, he tried in the season and he got shelled.


He turns to his reliever who had been LIGHTS OUT all year, really dominant, and he lost the game.

Say in 2005 Pods does not homer, and Jenks blows the save, or Buehrle blows the save in the World Series marathon game, would you 2nd guess Ozzie?

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:50 PM
I disagree; the move in the first game was just fine. His players did not execute.

That's fine. I just don't agree with planning for games that may (and in this case, may NOT) ever happen. In a short series, game one is extremely important. Losing it puts a lot of pressure on your team. Lou did the exact opposite of what good playoff teams do. Good playoffs teams take things inning by inning and game by game. When your ace is dominating, you don't take him out in the playoffs unless you have a lead.

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 10:50 PM
Eighth caller: How do 'rookies' beat supposedly composed veteran players?

Can't remember when Dbacks won series but it was certainly before 1908.

:roflmao:


I stopped listening. I'm glad they lost, but like someone said, i won't actively rub it in. I don't have to. My team has a trophy.

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:52 PM
Lou 10000% made the right move. He knows Zambrano cant come back on 3 days rest after 100 pitches, he tried in the season and he got shelled.


He turns to his reliever who had been LIGHTS OUT all year, really dominant, and he lost the game.

Say in 2005 Pods does not homer, and Jenks blows the save, or Buehrle blows the save in the World Series marathon game, would you 2nd guess Ozzie?

Huh?

Bringing in MB in the World Series is nothing like pulling your ace after 85 pitches in game 1 of a five game series. Sure, Marmol is the guy you go to if you pull your pitcher. But pulling your pitcher in that situation is just stupid.

DrCrawdad
10-06-2007, 10:52 PM
I was listening till that dufus brought up the fan base......click.

That 15 minutes was the most I have ever listened to WGN outside of when they had the Bears ..... "BALL BALL":rolleyes:

Fanbase, attendance, popularity, etc. that's the out for Cubbie fans and their fans in the media.

Santo was spewing the garbage tonight during the game. At one point when the fans were cheering on a (possible) turning point, Santo blathered, "Aren't these fans the best? No one else has fans like this..."

Yeah Ronnie, no other teams fans cheer loudly in the post-season. Nitwit.

Domeshot17
10-06-2007, 10:55 PM
Huh?

Bringing in MB in the World Series is nothing like pulling your ace after 85 pitches in game 1 of a five game series. Sure, Marmol is the guy you go to if you pull your pitcher. But pulling your pitcher in that situation is just stupid.


My point (and yah Burls may be a bad example) was it wasnt a bad move.

Its a close game, you have a reliever who has endurance who all year has kept the game right where it was at. He has an ERA under 2. You know your ace has to pitch game 4, and is garbage on 3 days rest over 100 pitches. You see him dying in the hot arizona heat and don't want to spend him completely. With the game tied, you think Marmol will keep it there. He has all year.

RadioheadRocks
10-06-2007, 10:55 PM
Fanbase, attendance, popularity, etc. that's the out for Cubbie fans and their fans in the media.

Santo was spewing the garbage tonight during the game. At one point when the fans were cheering on a (possible) turning point, Santo blathered, "Aren't these fans the best? No one else has fans like this..."

Yeah Ronnie, no other teams fans cheer loudly in the post-season. Nitwit.


Behold the following from another thread (nominated by myself as POTW):

Quote:
Originally Posted by mark2olson http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1693249#post1693249)
Rhetorical question, "Is Cubs' baseball about baseball or about publicity?"

ilsox7
10-06-2007, 10:57 PM
My point (and yah Burls may be a bad example) was it wasnt a bad move.

Its a close game, you have a reliever who has endurance who all year has kept the game right where it was at. He has an ERA under 2. You know your ace has to pitch game 4, and is garbage on 3 days rest over 100 pitches. You see him dying in the hot arizona heat and don't want to spend him completely. With the game tied, you think Marmol will keep it there. He has all year.

Well, I am not gonna keep debating this. I just believe that teams need to win the game at hand before planning for a game that may not even happen. Worry about those games when you get there. That's what the vast majority of baseball teams do in the playoffs and most will tell you it's the best strategy.

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 10:58 PM
Ninth caller: "I denounce the Cubs! I'm done! I'm not taking it anymore!"

Kaplan: You're not done. (Passive aggressive)

Caller: "You could put a minor league team out there and the fans would still come!"

Kaplan: 133 days till spring training!

Caller: You're drug dealers! Just say no to Cubs!

Kaplan: You're hooked! You'll be right back!

:gulp:

Domeshot17
10-06-2007, 11:00 PM
Well, I am not gonna keep debating this. I just believe that teams need to win the game at hand before planning for a game that may not even happen. Worry about those games when you get there. That's what the vast majority of baseball teams do in the playoffs and most will tell you it's the best strategy.


Agreed, its all hindsight. And I would 99% of the time agree you play for game 1 not game 4, but when you decide you absolutely 100% are going 3 man, you have to plan for it. But yah, if I was Lou, at some point the thought would come into my head to leave him there and start marshall or marquis in game 4. But if he was hellbent on staying 3man, he made the right move.


Oh well.

Hey chicago what do ya say the cubs are gonna choke today

It's Time
10-06-2007, 11:01 PM
Beautiful night!:smile: That team was exposed for being the mediocre bunch they are.

That said, I think it's safe to say that the myth that White Sox fans do not care about the the Cubs anymore since 05 can be put to bed. 500 plus posts in the game thread and a PG thread going on as well.:o:

Frontman
10-06-2007, 11:09 PM
Huh?

Bringing in MB in the World Series is nothing like pulling your ace after 85 pitches in game 1 of a five game series. Sure, Marmol is the guy you go to if you pull your pitcher. But pulling your pitcher in that situation is just stupid.

Except that all season, Zambrano got lit up like a Christmas tree in the 7th or later innings. Lou made the right call. It just didn't produce the desired results.

Frontman
10-06-2007, 11:12 PM
Seventh caller: "We're die-hards! Just left Wrigley with her 12 y.o. ... not a true Cub fan if you don't believe in next year."

"My dad was a Cubs fan and got his heart broken in '45"

"Now my son is going through it, too. I believe by the time I'm a grandmother they'll win."

Whoa.... lots of drugs in this family...

:o:


Hey now, up until two seasons ago? That could of been me on my cell, talking about myself, my Dad, and my Grandad, God rest his soul; and him not seeing a series win in his lifetime, etc.

No need to be cruel.

Frontman
10-06-2007, 11:14 PM
Beautiful night!:smile: That team was exposed for being the mediocre bunch they are.

That said, I think it's safe to say that the myth that White Sox fans do not care about the the Cubs anymore since 05 can be put to bed. 500 plus posts in the game thread and a PG thread going on as well.:o:

What else we gonna talk about? We can't watch the Blackhawk home games, the Bulls haven't started yet, and the Bears are about to head into Lambeu. What, we should debate the merits of the Sox firing Razor a bit more?

Sockinchisox
10-06-2007, 11:17 PM
Anyone know if 670 is doing a postgame after the blackhawks?

GlassSox
10-06-2007, 11:20 PM
"Now my son is going through it, too. I believe by the time I'm a grandmother they'll win."

:o:

Someone call the police, intentional child abuse!

PaleHoseGeorge
10-06-2007, 11:23 PM
Hey now, up until two seasons ago? That could of been me on my cell, talking about myself, my Dad, and my Grandad, God rest his soul; and him not seeing a series win in his lifetime, etc.

If you believed the Sox were LOVABLE for all those years of losing, then I would agree it could have been you. I don't believe that...

As for cruelty, a mother KNOWINGLY setting her kid up for a lifetime of torment -- a lifetime she freely chooses to admit to, and even calls a radio station (dare I say gleefully) to make sure the entire world knows about it -- that's what is cruel.
:o:

Sorry. Don't lay it at my feet for pointing it out.

JB98
10-06-2007, 11:27 PM
Beautiful night!:smile: That team was exposed for being the mediocre bunch they are.

That said, I think it's safe to say that the myth that White Sox fans do not care about the the Cubs anymore since 05 can be put to bed. 500 plus posts in the game thread and a PG thread going on as well.:o:

HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN!

What a brilliant shootout goal by Patrick Kane! Too bad nobody saw it.....

It's Time
10-06-2007, 11:28 PM
HAWKS WIN! HAWKS WIN!

What a brilliant shootout goal by Patrick Kane! Too bad nobody saw it.....

1-1:smile:

TheOldRoman
10-06-2007, 11:29 PM
:?: Wait, a minute, I thought "it's gonna happen"? Is next year here, yet?

It's Time
10-06-2007, 11:32 PM
http://www.dmwmedia.com/system/files?file=images/CubanCubs.jpg
"Don't worry, Cubs fans. I will buy the team and spend $200M on payroll. 2008 will be great"!

Vernam
10-06-2007, 11:37 PM
I've always heard people complain about Santo's whining ....... all I can say is he should never be allowed on the air again.I heard him when it was still early in the game and they were only down three runs. He was pissing and moaning like the game was already lost. Which it was, of course, but that just shows what a loser mentality the guy has. IOW, he's the perfect announcer for that team, just as he was the perfect leader of the '69 club.

Vernam

alohafri
10-06-2007, 11:51 PM
We were at The Grove Sports Bar on 111th in Worth tonight. The bar staff was wearing pins that had the Cubbie logo that said "Who cares, they still suck."

SoxGirl4Life
10-06-2007, 11:57 PM
Anyone know if 670 is doing a postgame after the blackhawks?


Yeah. they're just starting it.

DrCrawdad
10-06-2007, 11:57 PM
:?: Wait, a minute, I thought "it's gonna happen"? Is next year here, yet?

I'm still waiting for some entrepeneural Sox fan to come up with shirt that says...

"IT'S GONNA HAPPEN" Then with these years crossed out, 1969, 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003, 2007.

Viva Medias B's
10-07-2007, 12:00 AM
Yeah. they're just starting it.

Jesse Rogers is hosting it.

CubKilla
10-07-2007, 12:03 AM
I heard him when it was still early in the game and they were only down three runs. He was pissing and moaning like the game was already lost. Which it was, of course, but that just shows what a loser mentality the guy has. IOW, he's the perfect announcer for that team, just as he was the perfect leader of the '69 club.

Vernam

Santo was his typical self tonight. I had to work, and my job requires me to drive, so I had no choice but to listen. His "OH MY GOD!!!!!" in the 5th when DeRosa grounded into the DP in the 5th was ridiculous and completely drowned out Hughes PBP.

I did get a kick out of him calling Valverde a "hotdog with mustard" though. How the frick this idiot can call ANYBODY on ANY team out for being a hotdog and completely IGNORE the Ramirez's, Soriano's, and Zambrano's on his own team is a complete hypocrite. As a previous poster stated in another thread, for some reason, Santo has a hard-on for this guy.

FedEx227
10-07-2007, 12:06 AM
I did get a kick out of him calling Valverde a "hotdog with mustard" though. How the frick this idiot can call ANYBODY on ANY team out for being a hotdog and completely IGNORE the Ramirez's, Soriano's, and Zambrano's on his own team is a complete hypocrite. As a previous poster stated in another thread, for some reason, Santo has a hard-on for this guy.

Haha. Oh Ronnie, calling Valverde a hotdog with mustard is like calling you a drunk diabetic without legs.

Oh...

thedudeabides
10-07-2007, 12:08 AM
Agreed, its all hindsight. And I would 99% of the time agree you play for game 1 not game 4, but when you decide you absolutely 100% are going 3 man, you have to plan for it. But yah, if I was Lou, at some point the thought would come into my head to leave him there and start marshall or marquis in game 4. But if he was hellbent on staying 3man, he made the right move.


Oh well.

Hey chicago what do ya say the cubs are gonna choke today

No matter what, you have to win game one first. Zambrano was as untouchable as Webb that night. If they have a lead you pull him, they didn't. He only had 85 pitches, he could have shut them down the next inning in 10-15 pitches. If he stays in and wins maybe there isn't a game 4. You can't plan for that. I think Lou is a great manager, but I think that move was a mistake. At first everyone was blasting Lou, now I keep hearing people defending it. Give me one example of a teams #1 rolling through game 1 of a series and being pulled after 85 pitches, and I'll let him off the hook.

eriqjaffe
10-07-2007, 12:18 AM
I had to work, and my job requires me to drive, so I had no choice but to listen.Your radio only get one station? ;)

CubKilla
10-07-2007, 12:19 AM
Your radio only get one station? ;)

Playoff baseball? Unfortunately, yes :(:

FedEx227
10-07-2007, 12:21 AM
Your radio only get one station? ;)

Listening to Ron Santo is more entertaining then any other station on the dial. He's amazing. One broadcast and your hooked... to his ridiculous lack of knowledge, utter stupidy, self-pity and self-denial.

Best part today (I was at work till 10 so only radio for me) was hearing him talk about playoff pressure and utter "Well, it's a different ballgame in the playoffs... I've never been... but I've heard"

:D::D:

voodoochile
10-07-2007, 12:37 AM
Hey chicago what do ya say the cubs are gonna choke today

It's only a choke if you actually stood a chance of winning. No way to win if you don't actually have to throw strikes to retire the team you are playing and the flubbies have horrible plate awareness as a rule. Nothing new there, they've always been packed with free swingers. Most glaring example was obviously the 5th inning when with 1 out, a 3-1 count a pitcher who was struggling to find the strike zone and the bases loaded, the flubbies still managed to ground into the IEDP.

D'backs are a very solid team. Total is definitely greater than the sum of the parts. They are composed and obviously ready for their closeup. No shock they come out of such a tightly contested division where 3 teams all stood a chance at the playoffs in the final week of the year. I won't be surprised if they make it to the WS.

LongLiveFisk
10-07-2007, 12:39 AM
We were at The Grove Sports Bar on 111th in Worth tonight. The bar staff was wearing pins that had the Cubbie logo that said "Who cares, they still suck."

Funny--I walked into Durbin's in Burbank tonight to pick up a pizza and I had no idea what the score was. I walked past the big screen TV and saw the 3-1 D'backs score, laughed a little louder than I intended to and said, "Figures!" Some guy wearing a Sox cap and 2005 WS Champs shirt high-fived me and said "you MUST be a Sox fan!" :redneck

TheCommander
10-07-2007, 12:43 AM
Best part today (I was at work till 10 so only radio for me) was hearing Santo talk about playoff pressure and utter "Well, it's a different ballgame in the playoffs... I've never been... but I've heard"

:D::D:

Almost as good as the following Santo quote I read on mlb.com earlier:
"There's no doubt in my mind that the most important thing we need to do is score runs." :?::rolleyes:

SBSoxFan
10-07-2007, 12:46 AM
Listening to Ron Santo is more entertaining then any other station on the dial. He's amazing. One broadcast and your hooked... to his ridiculous lack of knowledge, utter stupidy, self-pity and self-denial.

Best part today (I was at work till 10 so only radio for me) was hearing him talk about playoff pressure and utter "Well, it's a different ballgame in the playoffs... I've never been... but I've heard"

:D::D:

My favorite part was Hughes reminding the listeners, somewhere around the fourth inning, that extended pregame begins at 10 a.m. tomorrow. :D:

I guess they'll have to change their programming!

RadioheadRocks
10-07-2007, 12:47 AM
My favorite part was Hughes reminding the listeners, somewhere around the fourth inning, that extended pregame begins at 10 a.m. tomorrow. :D:

I guess they'll have to change their programming!

What, and pre-empt Mass for Shut-ins?

C-Dawg
10-07-2007, 12:52 AM
Memo to all those Cub fans who were sitting in Section 540 at USCF for the Sunday Sox-Cubs game in 2006 (they spent the whole game pointing at the WS banner and yelling that it was for the "fake" World Series) - See, it ain't so easy, now, is it!?! The Cubs scored SIX runs in the Division Series... The Sox had six by, what, the second inning?

spongyfungy
10-07-2007, 12:56 AM
I heard there is going to be a Cubs playoff run floppy disk set in the tribune.

ChiSoxFan35
10-07-2007, 12:57 AM
Never have been a Cub hater, but I can't help but smile at the result, the way some "fans" I know conducted themselves after not winning ONE damn thing. Talk about acting like they've never been there before...

My favorite was the media who acted like they won the Series when they clinched the division that Milwaukee ran away from. On the Monday rally, WGN had a big "Cubs win! Cubs win!" logo in the corner, seriously acting like they won the World Series and that was the WS event/parade.

My favorite was sports radio. After a second win against the Reds, all minor leaguers, one host said "you know, they might just be hitting their peak at the perfect moment". This was 2 games after being swept by FLA :?: A week before they beat up on a pathetic Pirates team, and a caller called in saying "you know, they really look like a playoff team" and MacNeil agreed, 'yup'. (He later hung up on someone for being too negative when he said that it was just the pathetic Pirates).

Then the Bernsteins of the world, completely disrespecting the DBacks, Boers already had them in the World Series for sure, he just wasn't sure if they could beat the AL yet though :rolleyes: An embarrassment if someone from another city is listening. They had a NY host on the Score two days ago who laughed at how the Cubs fans celebrated winning a weak division, and that it would make him happy when the Cubs lost. As long as you don't talk with some sappy 'lovable loser' turd, they are the joke of the country.


Also, I already had a lot of man love for Chris B Young before, this kid is awesome, congrats DBacks and their fans. Even though the media disrespected you, I thought you did a great job representing. This team is killing it now, imagine in a few years. Also very clever with 1908 signs, billygoat hand puppets, and a sign that said "It's not a curse, you're just not that good". Good luck in these next rounds! Good to see the rest of the world isn't buying this Tribune spinned garbage, what a way to send the Tribune era to hell :smile:

Lip Man 1
10-07-2007, 12:59 AM
The numbers that count:

99 years..and counting (since 1908)
62 years..and counting (since 1945)
2005!!!

:D:

Lip

ChiSoxFan35
10-07-2007, 12:59 AM
I also want to give props for a creative ESPN.com poster a few days ago. He said:

Zamrbano's line Sunday:
IP H R ER BB K
0 0 0 0 0 0


Nice job Lou!

ilsox7
10-07-2007, 01:00 AM
Never have been a Cub hater, but I can't help but smile at the result, the way some "fans" I know conducted themselves after not winning ONE damn thing. Talk about acting like they've never been there before...

My favorite was the media who acted like they won the Series when they clinched the division that Milwaukee ran away from. On the Monday rally, WGN had a big "Cubs win! Cubs win!" logo in the corner, seriously acting like they won the World Series and that was the WS event/parade.

My favorite was sports radio. After a second win against the Reds, all minor leaguers, one host said "you know, they might just be hitting their peak at the perfect moment". This was 2 games after being swept by FLA :?: A week before they beat up on a pathetic Pirates team, and a caller called in saying "you know, they really look like a playoff team" and MacNeil agreed, 'yup'. (He later hung up on someone for being too negative when he said that it was just the pathetic Pirates).

Then the Bernsteins of the world, completely disrespecting the DBacks, Boers already had them in the World Series for sure, he just wasn't sure if they could beat the AL yet though :rolleyes: An embarrassment if someone from another city is listening. They had a NY host on the Score two days ago who laughed at how the Cubs fans celebrated winning a weak division, and that it would make him happy when the Cubs lost. As long as you don't talk with some sappy 'lovable loser' turd, they are the joke of the country.


Also, I already had a lot of man love for Chris B Young before, this kid is awesome, congrats DBacks and their fans. Even though the media disrespected you, I thought you did a great job representing. This team is killing it now, imagine in a few years. Also very clever with 1908 signs, billygoat hand puppets, and a sign that said "It's not a curse, you're just not that good". Good luck in these next rounds! Good to see the rest of the world isn't buying this Tribune spinned garbage, what a way to send the Tribune era to hell :smile:

You need to invest in an MP3 player.

Nellie_Fox
10-07-2007, 01:20 AM
Santo was his typical self tonight. I had to work, and my job requires me to drive, so I had no choice but to listen. I have two words for you: Ex. Em.

thomas35forever
10-07-2007, 01:24 AM
Our long national nightmare is over. To all the Cubbie fans: It ain't gonna happen, and one more thing...

MAYBE NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D::D::D::D:
http://www.geo-trotter.com/afrique/images/haha.gif

Bill Naharodny
10-07-2007, 01:26 AM
After the Game 1 loss, Kaplan assured his Cubbie listeners, "We WILL get to Doug Davis..."

:rolling:

Same pablum from Boers and Bernstein, too.

Martinigirl
10-07-2007, 01:41 AM
That's fine. I just don't agree with planning for games that may (and in this case, may NOT) ever happen. In a short series, game one is extremely important. Losing it puts a lot of pressure on your team. Lou did the exact opposite of what good playoff teams do. Good playoffs teams take things inning by inning and game by game. When your ace is dominating, you don't take him out in the playoffs unless you have a lead.

That and Lou's comment about the fact it is only one game and everyone needs to calm down. That is fine when you are talking about a whole season, it is not true when you are talking about a five game series.

TheOldRoman
10-07-2007, 01:44 AM
Same pablum from Boers and Bernstein, too.Don't call and tell them that. They would just call you an idiot and hang up. Then they would say you were a typical low life Sox fans, and Boers would say "seriously, can't we just get rid of them? Yeah, just put em on a bus, and set it on fire. NOObody would miss 'em." Then then one of them would mock you in their smarmy, sarcastic tone "I'm Bill Naharodny, I'm gonna go attack a thirdbase coach." Then the other one would do the weasing laugh.:rolleyes:

Bill Naharodny
10-07-2007, 01:56 AM
Don't call and tell them that. They would just call you an idiot and hang up. Then they would say you were a typical low life Sox fans, and Boers would say "seriously, can't we just get rid of them? Yeah, just put em on a bus, and set it on fire. NOObody would miss 'em." Then then one of them would mock you in their smarmy, sarcastic tone "I'm Bill Naharodny, I'm gonna go attack a thirdbase coach." Then the other one would do the weasing laugh.:rolleyes:

Or the Terry Boers "Old Man" laugh.

I know exactly what you're talking about, by the way. Someone called in yesterday to remind Bernstein that he had said the Cubs could afford a game 1 loss (which he had), and he denied saying it. Then Boers yelled at the guy.

Here's a quick test: find a day when Terry and Dan disagree about anything. Some shows are contrived to have a disagreement; these guys make sure they agree on everything. That way, I guess, they can laugh to each other about the "stupidity" of their callers. Way to hold listener-share, boys!

oeo
10-07-2007, 02:07 AM
So, now that it's official...are they going to wear a 100th year commemoration patch next year? :tongue:

Nellie_Fox
10-07-2007, 02:19 AM
Or the Terry Boers "Old Man" laugh.

I know exactly what you're talking about, by the way. Someone called in yesterday to remind Bernstein that he had said the Cubs could afford a game 1 loss (which he had), and he denied saying it. Then Boers yelled at the guy.

Here's a quick test: find a day when Terry and Dan disagree about anything. Some shows are contrived to have a disagreement; these guys make sure they agree on everything. That way, I guess, they can laugh to each other about the "stupidity" of their callers. Way to hold listener-share, boys!Well, apparently you're listening.

TheOldRoman
10-07-2007, 02:23 AM
Well, apparently you're listening.I don't listen. At my old job, I would occasionally nap in my car on breaks. Often I needed help falling asleep, so I turned on the Score.

rowand33
10-07-2007, 02:40 AM
This is from another board I post at:

I was at a bar tonight. When the Cubs lost, some guy, totally drunk out of his mind, starting crying like a little girl.

He went into the men's room and was howling for close to 20 minutes. A waiter went in to get him out of there because people were complaining.

The guy locked himself in a stall and, apparently, said he was going to hurt himself, so they had to call the cops and paramedics to drag him out there.

If you can picture a grown man wearing Cubs stuff from head to toe, drunk out of his mind, being carried out on a gurney while a room full of people laughed at him, well, that was him.

So my question is: which one of you guys was it?

Again. Wow. Thank GOD I was raised a White Sox fan!

I called my dad to thank him the day we won the world series. Maybe I should have called him tonight :cool:

slavko
10-07-2007, 02:41 AM
Or the Terry Boers "Old Man" laugh.

I know exactly what you're talking about, by the way. Someone called in yesterday to remind Bernstein that he had said the Cubs could afford a game 1 loss (which he had), and he denied saying it. Then Boers yelled at the guy.

Here's a quick test: find a day when Terry and Dan disagree about anything. Some shows are contrived to have a disagreement; these guys make sure they agree on everything. That way, I guess, they can laugh to each other about the "stupidity" of their callers. Way to hold listener-share, boys!

I'm not listening. Did these two geniuses ever admit out that the Zook they were didn't want hired can coach? I wasn't listening tonight either. Stanford +40 points beating #1 USC was far better. But I'm left with the question: "Is an Embarrassing Cubs Laydown more fun than a Heartbreaking Cubs Loss?"

TDog
10-07-2007, 02:54 AM
Agreed, its all hindsight. And I would 99% of the time agree you play for game 1 not game 4, but when you decide you absolutely 100% are going 3 man, you have to plan for it. But yah, if I was Lou, at some point the thought would come into my head to leave him there and start marshall or marquis in game 4. But if he was hellbent on staying 3man, he made the right move. ...

I spent Saturday in San Francisco and watched the Blue Angels air show. When I got home, unexpectedly sunburned from an October day by the bay, I checked out the baseball scores then read this thread. I wasn't surprised with the scores. I am surprised that people are defending Piniella.

Criticism of the Zambrano move isn't all hindsight. I take that back. There is some hindsight in rationalizing such an incompetent decision. Piniella is fortunate he is not in a profession where the people who hired him can't sue for malpractice.

If the Cubs had won Game 1 after taking Zambrano out after pitching six innings of a tie game, I would have considered it a stupid move that Piniella was lucky to have gotten away with. I considered it a stupid move when I saw on the Internet that he had made it. The only way it isn't a stupid move (considering a pinch-hitter wasn't involved) is if Zambrano was injured and Piniella tried to keep that a secret. Being "hellbent" on a three-man rotation is no justification because the decision to go with a three-man rotation was Piniella's and resulted in the Cubs neutralizing their own best pitcher. He made sure that Zambrano didn't pitch well enough to win the first game.

Hindsight would be pointing out that the Cubs didn't have any effective starters, Piniella having neutralized Zambrano.

He believed, we are told, he only had three starters, yet, he didn't give his best pitcher a chance to win.

Barring an injury, this move is only acceptable from an inexperienced manager, and only as a mistake he will have to learn from. Piniella doesn't have that excuse.

The Zambrano move was not an isolated incident in that Piniella did a lousy job with his bullpen this year, as evidenced by the number of bullpen losses the Cubs have. The fact is, Piniella did not do a good job managing the Cubs this year.

Scottiehaswheels
10-07-2007, 03:04 AM
Is it perverse to look at the "grieving" Cubs fans photos on all the websites with a smile on my face?

johnnyg83
10-07-2007, 03:18 AM
Nope ... but sharing links wiill help

pmck003
10-07-2007, 03:20 AM
I was thinking that if someone has a proper St. Patrick's snake whoppin stick we should drive the snakes from Denver. Forget the cubs, as the rest of the nation will oncer the trib sells them. Don't compalin, though, when "Go Go Sox" is heard all over the city. Be careful what you wish for.

FedEx227
10-07-2007, 03:22 AM
Is it perverse to look at the "grieving" Cubs fans photos on all the websites with a smile on my face?

Nope. For all the **** they try to pull on us, it's great. Even better is how must of us take it, we don't get upset, we don't react back, we just smile and laugh.

Scottiehaswheels
10-07-2007, 03:28 AM
Nope ... but sharing links wiill helpGo to chicagosports.com or suntimes.com and click on the links... I think the Trib's ones are better... Idiots look like they are actually stunned/crying

RadioheadRocks
10-07-2007, 03:34 AM
Go to chicagosports.com or suntimes.com and click on the links... I think the Trib's ones are better... Idiots look like they are actually stunned/crying


How about the one where they're carrying the W flag upside down... kind of reminds me about that joke about the doofus who got fired from the M&Ms plant for throwing out all the W's.

RadioheadRocks
10-07-2007, 03:41 AM
From Morrissey's column: A radio talk-show host recently referred to the Cubs as a "national embarrassment.'' No. An 85-victory team doesn't often come into the playoffs and dominate. This was a decent team finding its level.


That's gotta be the first time I've heard ANYONE in the Chicago "Cubbie Kiss-Ass" Media voice THAT perspective.

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 05:51 AM
The Cubs getting swept out of the playoffs gave the Chicago White Sox a little breathing room. I guarantee you that the Cubs will push to make improvements. They will be a better team next year. They've raised the stakes; their on the field management is very good.

It appears that they'll be solid up the middle so another arm and a productive right fielder (which I see coming via trade) will make this team that much better in the NL Central.

The battle is a three hundred sixty-five day a year battle and the Chicago White Sox were given one big reprieve.

The pressure should be on Kenny and Ozzie for '08. The ninety wins achieved in 2006 means nothing because the team was not eligible for the playoffs. This year, 2007, was an abysmal failure.

Do you want to push all this Cubs craziness aside? Then now is the time for Kenny and Co. to make good and build another winner. A winner for next year.

LITTLE NELL
10-07-2007, 06:54 AM
Sorry if this is a dupe post, as the original thread locked just as I posted up my response to Matt "Drinky" Abbatacola for his bragging about post-season Cubs baseball via myspace:

"Hey Drinky!

Normally, I don't rub it in, but when you put it out there, you open mouth, insert foot.

Listen you idiot. The Cubs won the same amount of games as the Sox in October, and the Sox didn't even try!

(Neither did the Cubs, it seems.)

You go spin that on Monday with your "they made a statement" and how they're the most popular team in town.

One team in this town has won a Series in the last ONE HUNDRED YEARS, and that's the Sox.

Have a good pub crawl. Trust me, it doesn't hurt much to see your team lose in the playoffs.

At your age (and liver damage) you should be used to it by now.

Have fun blaming Bartman, the goat, and how Pinella made "a mistake" by trusting his hottest relief pitcher in game 1. Or that it was any number of excuses you want to make.

No matter how you spin it, no matter how you point it out, the Cubs lost. Period.


Oh sure, they had a better record than the Sox, I'll give you that. They might be in better shape to get back to the playoffs; I'll even give you that as the Cubs division is real weak at this time. But no matter what, both Lou Pinella and Ozzie Guillen will be doing the same thing when the World Series starts.



Watching.


As your boss Berstein would point out, its all about winning in the playoffs, not just making it."
The Sox have won 2 WS in the last 100 yrs, 1917 and 2005. 1919 should have been another one but we all know what happenned. We would have won a bunch more in the 1920s if not for the "8 Men Out" guys.

veeter
10-07-2007, 07:29 AM
The cubs lost because Arizona is a good team, only getting better. They're simply better than the cubs. The cubs never looked like a pennant winner all season long IMO.

WSox597
10-07-2007, 08:00 AM
I heard there is going to be a Cubs playoff run floppy disk set in the tribune.


Good shot. I like it.

To be in step with their tradition, their park, their "long-suffering' fans, their whole schtick, the playoff run set ought to be on Edison cylinders. After all, that was the media the last time they won anything. :D:

Frater Perdurabo
10-07-2007, 08:12 AM
The battle is a three hundred sixty-five day a year battle and the Chicago White Sox were given one big reprieve.

The pressure should be on Kenny and Ozzie for '08. The ninety wins achieved in 2006 means nothing because the team was not eligible for the playoffs. This year, 2007, was an abysmal failure.

Do you want to push all this Cubs craziness aside? Then now is the time for Kenny and Co. to make good and build another winner. A winner for next year.

Yes. Agreed on all counts. I hope you're reading, KW.

LITTLE NELL
10-07-2007, 08:27 AM
The cubs lost because Arizona is a good team, only getting better. They're simply better than the cubs. The cubs never looked like a pennant winner all season long IMO.
I agree 100 %. I dont know where all this delusion of grandeur came from, but the Cubs were not even close to being a great team that was going to march to the WS. They were the best team in the worst division in MLB, 6th best record in the NL, and 13 or 14th best in MLB.

LITTLE NELL
10-07-2007, 08:35 AM
The Cubs getting swept out of the playoffs gave the Chicago White Sox a little breathing room. I guarantee you that the Cubs will push to make improvements. They will be a better team next year. They've raised the stakes; their on the field management is very good.

It appears that they'll be solid up the middle so another arm and a productive right fielder (which I see coming via trade) will make this team that much better in the NL Central.

The battle is a three hundred sixty-five day a year battle and the Chicago White Sox were given one big reprieve.

The pressure should be on Kenny and Ozzie for '08. The ninety wins achieved in 2006 means nothing because the team was not eligible for the playoffs. This year, 2007, was an abysmal failure.

Do you want to push all this Cubs craziness aside? Then now is the time for Kenny and Co. to make good and build another winner. A winner for next year.
We do need to pick it up next year. The Cubs on the other hand will probably win 70 games next year but 3milllion will still show up. They spent a ton of money this year with FAs and Zambrano and I dont see them being big players in the FA market.

itsnotrequired
10-07-2007, 09:10 AM
I wondered how long before the phrase "end of a dream season" would show up in print. Not too long...

Cubs' dream season swept away (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20071006&content_id=2253727&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)

Dream season? A dream season would imply succeeding after experts had predicted you would fail, players coming out of nowhere and having a huge impact, excelling despite massive injuries, being declared dead in the water and then storming back in September to claim the division, etc. The Cubs did none of this.

They were 8.5 back near the end of June and closed the gap quickly with a nice run while the Brewers floundered. Then they just sort of treaded water (29-28 record for August and September). They relied on Brewer struggles as much as their own success. They had a 12-16 record in August and only maintained their lead because the Brewers played even worse (to be fair, Soriano was out for most of that month). They had to trade their starting catcher in the middle of the season because he couldn't play nice. Their head-case ace pitcher taunts the crowd. It goes on and on.

It was a "nice" season in the sense that they won the division (albeit, a weak one) and went to the postseason but anyone calling it a "dream" season is deluding themselves.

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 09:25 AM
We do need to pick it up next year. The Cubs on the other hand will probably win 70 games next year but 3milllion will still show up.

I'll take the over on seventy wins.

LITTLE NELL
10-07-2007, 09:31 AM
I'll take the over on seventy wins.
How much over 70, this team since 1972 has had back to back winning seasons only 1 time-2003 and 2004. Remember these guys are not called the lovable losers for no reason at all.

DrCrawdad
10-07-2007, 09:33 AM
I wondered how long before the phrase "end of a dream season" would show up in print. Not too long...

Cubs' dream season swept away (http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20071006&content_id=2253727&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc)

Dream season? A dream season would imply succeeding after experts had predicted you would fail, players coming out of nowhere and having a huge impact, excelling despite massive injuries, being declared dead in the water and then storming back in September to claim the division, etc. The Cubs did none of this.

They were 8.5 back near the end of June and closed the gap quickly with a nice run while the Brewers floundered. Then they just sort of treaded water (29-28 record for August and September). They relied on Brewer struggles as much as their own success. They had a 12-16 record in August and only maintained their lead because the Brewers played even worse (to be fair, Soriano was out for most of that month). They had to trade their starting catcher in the middle of the season because he couldn't play nice. Their head-case ace pitcher taunts the crowd. It goes on and on.

It was a "nice" season in the sense that they won the division (albeit, a weak one) and went to the postseason but anyone calling it a "dream" season is deluding themselves.

Perhaps the writer is not responsible for the headline. But the writer, Carrie Muskrat, is a major league MLB propagandist. She the one who a couple years ago wrote that Mark Prior had had a great spring training, even though he NEVER threw a pitch in front of the public or press.

SoxGirl4Life
10-07-2007, 09:33 AM
How much over 70, this team since 1972 has had back to back winning seasons only 1 time-2003 and 2004. Remember these guys are not called the lovable losers for no reason at all.


Yeah, I'm thinking its going to be a huge tank next season for them too.

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 09:40 AM
How much over 70, this team since 1972 has had back to back winning seasons only 1 time-2003 and 2004. Remember these guys are not called the lovable losers for no reason at all.

I don't know how much over seventy but I do not see an approximate eighteen percent decline in regular season victories in '08.

LITTLE NELL
10-07-2007, 09:43 AM
I don't know how much over seventy but I do not see an approximate eighteen percent decline in regular season victories in '08.
Look what the Sox did going from 90 to 72.

itsnotrequired
10-07-2007, 09:44 AM
Perhaps the writer is not responsible for the headline. But the writer, Carrie Muskrat, is a major league MLB propagandist. She the one who a couple years ago wrote that Mark Prior had had a great spring training, even though he NEVER threw a pitch in front of the public or press.

Muskat is the Cubs beat writer for MLB.com. I'm pretty sure she writes her own headlines.

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 09:46 AM
Look what the Sox did going from 90 to 72.

Apples and oranges.

ode to veeck
10-07-2007, 10:01 AM
The cubs lost because Arizona is a good team, only getting better. They're simply better than the cubs. The cubs never looked like a pennant winner all season long IMO.


Best summary yet. All the network experts and marketing folks were pulling for a big market playoffs and the Scrubs. Many baseball "experts" also blew the call by looking at the DBacks on paper and saying their dismal BA would go nowhere, when au contrare, the DBacks just have the knack for winning games this year and keep demonstrating new ways to do it througout the lineup. IN reality the 07 Scrubs were greatly improved over the 96 loss 06 team, but actually backed into 1st place by barely figuring out how not to try to give away the division not quite as hard as the Brew Crew.

LITTLE NELL
10-07-2007, 10:07 AM
Apples and oranges.
Would not mind having the Southside Apples with 96 wins next year and the Northside Oranges with 66.

TornLabrum
10-07-2007, 10:17 AM
Good shot. I like it.

To be in step with their tradition, their park, their "long-suffering' fans, their whole schtick, the playoff run set ought to be on Edison cylinders. After all, that was the media the last time they won anything. :D:

They could actually use movies with a hand-cranked projector accompanied by those new-fangled disc recordings Berliner had invented a decade earlier.

TommyJohn
10-07-2007, 10:30 AM
The Cubs getting swept out of the playoffs gave the Chicago White Sox a little breathing room. I guarantee you that the Cubs will push to make improvements. They will be a better team next year. They've raised the stakes; their on the field management is very good.

It appears that they'll be solid up the middle so another arm and a productive right fielder (which I see coming via trade) will make this team that much better in the NL Central.

The battle is a three hundred sixty-five day a year battle and the Chicago White Sox were given one big reprieve.

The pressure should be on Kenny and Ozzie for '08. The ninety wins achieved in 2006 means nothing because the team was not eligible for the playoffs. This year, 2007, was an abysmal failure.

Do you want to push all this Cubs craziness aside? Then now is the time for Kenny and Co. to make good and build another winner. A winner for next year.



This is one hilarious post. Thanks for the entertainment.

voodoochile
10-07-2007, 10:30 AM
They could actually use movies with a hand-cranked projector accompanied by those new-fangled disc recordings Berliner had invented a decade earlier.

Paint that wooden monstrosity of a scoreboard white and go to dark numbers for the score and they could use it as a screen...

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 10:33 AM
This is one hilarious post. Thanks for the entertainment.

Ok, we'll see who's laughing if the Chicago White Sox repeat their 2007 campaign in '08.

Jerko
10-07-2007, 10:33 AM
What kills me is people STILL think the Cubs were the better team. Let's see, they had a WORSE record than Arizona, who had the 2 other best teams in the league in their division.............Cubs got an August and September diet of Reds, Pirates, Reds with all their guys out, Pirates, Marlins (who kicked their asses), Astros, Cardinals with all their guys out, with a smattering of Brewer (3 games) for good measure and won 85 lousy games.....Did they even play 2 winning teams the last 2 months? Dodgers and Brewers is all I remember and it turns out they sucked too. If any team was smoke and mirrors, it was the Cubs.

voodoochile
10-07-2007, 10:42 AM
Ok, we'll see who's laughing if the Chicago White Sox repeat their 2007 campaign in '08.

Paranoia big destroya...

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 10:45 AM
Ok, we'll see who's laughing if the Chicago White Sox repeat their 2007 campaign in '08.

Paranoia big destroya...

I don't deduce, I observe.

Wsoxmike59
10-07-2007, 10:51 AM
I want to pull in from the old thread about the "C" on the hat being the roman numeral for their 100 year drought. I am still ROLLING about that one!

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/31-10/31-10010-F.jpg


That's too funny SoxGirl.

The other funny post I read regarding the Cubs loss was

"That goat makes one mean curse!"

bryPt
10-07-2007, 10:54 AM
great couple of posts over at www.cubune.com (http://www.cubune.com)

great to wake up this morning with the insanity stopped. Now the cubune corporation can sell that team and hopefully move them to South Dakota or something and Zell can then build condos where the urinal stands now.

voodoochile
10-07-2007, 10:56 AM
I don't deduce, I observe.

Sounds like a lot of deducing if you ask me. I mean you are deducing that if the Sox fail and the flubs make another playoff run than it will be doom and gloom for the team and the fans. At least that is what I am deducing from your posts.

Just an observation though, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

TommyJohn
10-07-2007, 10:59 AM
Ok, we'll see who's laughing if the Chicago White Sox repeat their 2007 campaign in '08.

The part I found funny was the one about how the Cubs put pressure on
the Sox to build another winner. The Cubs went out and responded to
losing ground to the Sox in 2006. They built a team that got to the
postseason and got their annual 3 million. meanwhile, the Sox finished
72-90 and had a steep decline in ratings and attendance. What will be
their response? Their official line is that they don't compete with the
Cubs. So will they make an all-out effort to win back the fans and
recapture the glory days of 2005-06?

alohafri
10-07-2007, 11:00 AM
Why all this talk? I mean, Zambrano is pitching today, after all.:wink:

Wsoxmike59
10-07-2007, 11:04 AM
Is it perverse to look at the "grieving" Cubs fans photos on all the websites with a smile on my face?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-071006cubsfans-photogallery,1,3579567.photogallery

/Sucks to be you Cub fans! :D:

MarySwiss
10-07-2007, 11:09 AM
Is it perverse to look at the "grieving" Cubs fans photos on all the websites with a smile on my face?
No. And pay attention to how many of them are kids and 20-somethings. This is the thing that really kills MrMarySwiss. Last night, some kid who looked to be about 15 was on TV whining about how "it's not fair" and "we've waited so long." My husband, Cub fan first/Sox fan second who actually HAS been waiting a long time, instinctively said "Oh, shut up!"

The cubs lost because Arizona is a good team, only getting better. They're simply better than the cubs. The cubs never looked like a pennant winner all season long IMO.
I've mentioned in other threads some similarities I've noticed between the D'Backs and the 2005 Sox. Here's another one. In today's Republic, Chris Snyder was quoted as saying that they'd played the entire season "under the radar."

DoItForDanPasqua
10-07-2007, 11:16 AM
I want to pull in from the old thread about the "C" on the hat being the roman numeral for their 100 year drought. I am still ROLLING about that one!

That's great! I believe it is now my duty to pass this information to every Cub fan that I know, and I know lots of them.

No matter what happens, they will reach 100 years without winning a World Series. They won the 1908 World Series on October 14; next year's Series will not have even started by then. :D:

viagracat
10-07-2007, 11:42 AM
That's great! I believe it is now my duty to pass this information to every Cub fan that I know, and I know lots of them.

No matter what happens, they will reach 100 years without winning a World Series. They won the 1908 World Series on October 14; next year's Series will not have even started by then. :D:

No continuously operating professional sports team of any kind will ever go 100 or more years without a championship again. Congrats, Cubs. You're truly one of a kind. :smile:

HerzogVon
10-07-2007, 11:50 AM
It's only a choke if you actually stood a chance of winning. No way to win if you don't actually have to throw strikes to retire the team you are playing and the flubbies have horrible plate awareness as a rule. Nothing new there, they've always been packed with free swingers. Most glaring example was obviously the 5th inning when with 1 out, a 3-1 count a pitcher who was struggling to find the strike zone and the bases loaded, the flubbies still managed to ground into the IEDP.

D'backs are a very solid team. Total is definitely greater than the sum of the parts. They are composed and obviously ready for their closeup. No shock they come out of such a tightly contested division where 3 teams all stood a chance at the playoffs in the final week of the year. I won't be surprised if they make it to the WS.

This is an interesting observation, as the D'backs are decidedly reminiscent of the 2005 Sox - ( "Total is definitely greater than the sum of the parts." ) - whereas the Cubs are all too much like our late 2007 edition ( "...packed with free swingers." ) This is a direct result of Kenny's ill-advised tinkering.

Now, returning to the main topic at hand: Here is the banner I wanted to see at Wrigley...

STEVE BARTMAN, YES! / STEVE GOODMAN, NO!

Oh, and in the immortal words of William "Billy Goat" Sianis, "Who smells now?"

TDog
10-07-2007, 12:14 PM
The Cubs getting swept out of the playoffs gave the Chicago White Sox a little breathing room. I guarantee you that the Cubs will push to make improvements. They will be a better team next year. They've raised the stakes; their on the field management is very good. ...

The pressure should be on Kenny and Ozzie for '08. The ninety wins achieved in 2006 means nothing because the team was not eligible for the playoffs. This year, 2007, was an abysmal failure. ...

Really, when you get down to it, the Cubs are still cursed. Now they are cursed with a mediocre manager. The curse is, everyone thinks he's a great manager. Cubs supporters looked at the Diamondbacks and saw with their statistics there was no way they could beat the Cubs with their statistics. The one statistic they didn't consider, not unlike people who overlooked the 2005 White Sox, was wins.

The Cubs, for all the free-agent talent, didn't win many games, especially in competition outside their own sorry division. For all the praise of the bullpen I heard (at first I thought it was sarcasm), the bullpen lost a lot of games. The Diamondbacks also had a better manager.

The Cubs didn't lose despite Piniella. They got to the postseason despite Piniella. Call it hindsight, but after Piniella removed Zambrano in Game 1, the Cubs didn't even show up against the Diamondbacks. Some of us believed at the outset that a strong pitching performance by Zambrano was the only way the Cubs would have a chance to win a game. Any game. Imagine how much the Cubs would have to pay Zambrano if he could pitch more than six innings.

One improvement the Cubs could make is replacing their manager, which they won't do. It would be a small upgrade anyway because they don't have the talent to put together a winning record with teams outside the NL East.

It wasn't the Cubs who raised the bar. It was the White Sox who raised the bar, and not by winning a mediocre division with a record that would have been worth a fourth-place finish in the division their division series opponent captured. Every couple of years anymore a Chicago team gets tot he postseason. Because Cubs fans believe their miserable history is the result of curses and fate, they believed it was their time. If the White Sox had won the wild card, you still would have been hearing about how this was the Cubs year.

But it wasn't fate that propelled the White Sox in 2005. It was great baseball. That's something you don't see consistently every year in Chicago. You certainly didn't see it anywhere in Chicago this year.

But as Leon Durham said after losing a game that could have sent the Cubs to their first World series in 39 years, "We'll be back next year." Note to Cubs fans: It doesn't work that way.

rowand33
10-07-2007, 12:42 PM
No. And pay attention to how many of them are kids and 20-somethings. This is the thing that really kills MrMarySwiss. Last night, some kid who looked to be about 15 was on TV whining about how "it's not fair" and "we've waited so long." My husband, Cub fan first/Sox fan second who actually HAS been waiting a long time, instinctively said "Oh, shut up!"


why does how old they are matter?

that kid has waited his entire lifetime, and 20-somethings are old enough to appreciate a championship.

One of the best days of my life was when the Sox won. I was 21 at the time. Does my age mean I didn't deserve to enjoy it?

SOXSINCE'70
10-07-2007, 12:48 PM
What is sad is this is the happiest Sox fans have been in months.

I was happier when Burly-Mon threw his no hitter .

TomBradley72
10-07-2007, 12:51 PM
Yes...the "juggernaut" that was the 2007 Cubbies:

85 wins (6th in the National League)
8th in the National League in runs scored
7th in the National League in batting average
6th in the National League in fielding average
2nd in the National League in team ERA (this surprised me)
Lost 7 of their last 10 games (Fla/Cinn/AZ)

SOXSINCE'70
10-07-2007, 12:54 PM
Chris Snyder was quoted as saying that they'd played the entire season "under the radar."

:KW
"It's OK to use that phrase,but give my props,dammit!!":D::D:

TDog
10-07-2007, 01:02 PM
why does how old they are matter?

that kid has waited his entire lifetime, and 20-somethings are old enough to appreciate a championship.

One of the best days of my life was when the Sox won. I was 21 at the time. Does my age mean I didn't deserve to enjoy it?

Really, 21 is a great age for your team to win a championship. But you didn't wait that long. It was a great time for your team to win a championship, really. It wasn't like you were approaching 50 and lived through the promise and frustration of the Chuck Tanner years, remembered the excitement of the 1977 Sox finishing third, felt sure than 1983 and later 1993 (and even 1994) would be the year, only to come with renewed hope in October 2000. It was a cold dark night in the park by the time Foulke gave up those home runs in Game 1.

Nobody is saying you didn't appreciate it. But a lot of us would have rolled our eyes if the Sox had lost in 2005 and a teenager had whined, "we've waited so long." Rejoice, relish your team's championship if your team achieves one. We'll tell you how special it is if you don't take it seriously enough, but I don't anyone will accuse you of not having the fan equity to appreciate it. Mourn your team's loss if they lose. It will build character and you will have more reason to appreciate the future championship.

But you aren't part of the "we" who has been waiting so long.

SoxGirl4Life
10-07-2007, 01:06 PM
That's great! I believe it is now my duty to pass this information to every Cub fan that I know, and I know lots of them.

No matter what happens, they will reach 100 years without winning a World Series. They won the 1908 World Series on October 14; next year's Series will not have even started by then. :D:


I must give credit. This wasn't my thought originally. Someone on the first thread posted it. I was just in the middle of responding when we went over 500 posts last night. It took some time to stop laughing!

MarySwiss
10-07-2007, 02:20 PM
Really, 21 is a great age for your team to win a championship. But you didn't wait that long. It was a great time for your team to win a championship, really. It wasn't like you were approaching 50 and lived through the promise and frustration of the Chuck Tanner years, remembered the excitement of the 1977 Sox finishing third, felt sure than 1983 and later 1993 (and even 1994) would be the year, only to come with renewed hope in October 2000. It was a cold dark night in the park by the time Foulke gave up those home runs in Game 1.

Nobody is saying you didn't appreciate it. But a lot of us would have rolled our eyes if the Sox had lost in 2005 and a teenager had whined, "we've waited so long." Rejoice, relish your team's championship if your team achieves one. We'll tell you how special it is if you don't take it seriously enough, but I don't anyone will accuse you of not having the fan equity to appreciate it. Mourn your team's loss if they lose. It will build character and you will have more reason to appreciate the future championship.

But you aren't part of the "we" who has been waiting so long.

why does how old they are matter?

that kid has waited his entire lifetime, and 20-somethings are old enough to appreciate a championship.

One of the best days of my life was when the Sox won. I was 21 at the time. Does my age mean I didn't deserve to enjoy it?

Thanks, TDog. That was my point.

Rowand, my post was not meant as a swipe against the younger generation and of course you deserved to enjoy the Sox championship. But I do honestly think that how old you are DOES matter. My husband would not have had a problem with the kid being upset that his team lost, but to show up on TV whining about how you've been "waiting so long" and how "unfair" it all is will tend to annoy someone who has followed a team for 50+ years without a sniff of a championship.

chisoxmike
10-07-2007, 02:28 PM
:moonwalk: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ :moonwalk:

TDog
10-07-2007, 02:34 PM
Thanks, TDog. That was my point.

Rowand, my post was not meant as a swipe against the younger generation and of course you deserved to enjoy the Sox championship. But I do honestly think that how old you are DOES matter. My husband would not have had a problem with the kid being upset that his team lost, but to show up on TV whining about how you've been "waiting so long" and how "unfair" it all is will tend to annoy someone who has followed a team for 50+ years without a sniff of a championship.

I knew it was your point, and I apologize if I stole any of your thunder by not letting you defend it on your own.

Does anyone remember how we laughed at the image of a kid at The Parade (you know which one, Cubs fans) holding a sign that said, "I've waited six years for this?"

Jerko
10-07-2007, 02:35 PM
I was happier when Burly-Mon threw his no hitter .

Well, it HAS been months........:tongue:

MarySwiss
10-07-2007, 02:43 PM
I knew it was your point, and I apologize if I stole any of your thunder by not letting you defend it on your own.

Does anyone remember how we laughed at the image of a kid at The Parade (you know which one, Cubs fans) holding a sign that said, "I've waited six years for this?"
No apology necessary. Obviously, I didn't make my meaning clear (I guess) and I appreciate the way you clarified it further.

chisoxmike
10-07-2007, 03:09 PM
:rolling:

BP gave the Diamondbacks a 7% chance of sweeping the Cubs.

:rolling:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7305544

Gotta love BP! :thumbsup:

SoxSpeed22
10-07-2007, 03:16 PM
:rolling:

BP gave the Diamondbacks a 7% chance of sweeping the Cubs.

:rolling:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7305544

Gotta love BP! :thumbsup:That is a statistical site and we all know how friendly those are to teams that play well in close games and have bad numbers.

chisoxmike
10-07-2007, 03:18 PM
For the haters out there.

Since 2000...

White Sox: 689-607, 2 playoff appearances, 1 WORLD SERIES TITLE!
Cubs: 627-669, 2 playoff appearances, 5 outs away from appearing in a series... :dunno:

The Dude
10-07-2007, 03:30 PM
Start anew

Fitting that this thread is started by you!:tongue:

WSox597
10-07-2007, 04:21 PM
the D'Backs never got any respectYou're right about that. The Joliet "newspaper", if you can call that fish wrapper a newspaper, said that the Cubs were beaten by a surprising Arizona team.

Surprising?! They won 5 more games than the Cubs in a tougher division. They played the game like it should be played, running, fielding, and hitting in a timely manner.

The only thing surprising about this story is the Cubs and the word "playoff" were in the same sentence.

Good job, D-Backs!

hula
10-07-2007, 04:29 PM
It was so nice to be able to go the sleep last night in peace knowing the curse of the goat is still working...and to hear the silence of those arrogant Cub fans!

:D:

Dan Mega
10-07-2007, 04:43 PM
The real question is, will the Cubsession here finally die down?

itsnotrequired
10-07-2007, 04:44 PM
The real question is, will the Cubsession here finally die down?

Unlikely.

Grzegorz
10-07-2007, 05:23 PM
Sounds like a lot of deducing if you ask me. I mean you are deducing that if the Sox fail and the flubs make another playoff run than it will be doom and gloom for the team and the fans. At least that is what I am deducing from your posts.

Just an observation though, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

You're off base; losing seasons erode a fan base. Sure the core will be there (see the origins of the word 'fan') but building a fan base, or in more general terms a customer base, should be the goal of any business. I observed the way the season evolved on both sides of town; from the way the media covered both teams to attendance, to the way management (field management) presented itself to the baseball fans in this town.

The Cubs held the edge. Losing like the Cubs did means that the Chicago White Sox will not have to face the possibility of the Cubbies pulling off another 'Miracle on the Mississippi'.

Their official line is that they don't compete with the
Cubs. So will they make an all-out effort to win back the fans and
recapture the glory days of 2005-06?

I don't care what the official line from management might be, the Chicago White Sox compete in the same industry is the same town for the same fan base. The Cubs have a natural advantage (I do not believe my contention is debatable): television and print media.

To counter this advantage, the Chicago White Sox need to build a consistent playoff contender.

FarWestChicago
10-07-2007, 09:53 PM
The real question is, will the Cubsession here finally die down?Good question.

Unlikely.Correct. The walking stereotypes who embarrass this site and all Sox fans on a daily basis while rightfully fueling the Sox fan hating media will continue to be a blight on all of us. Sigh...

AZChiSoxFan
10-07-2007, 10:24 PM
:rolling:

BP gave the Diamondbacks a 7% chance of sweeping the Cubs.

:rolling:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7305544

Gotta love BP! :thumbsup:

The worst part though is that as of RIGHT NOW, BP is still only 97.9856321% sure that the D-backs will win the series vs. the scrubs. Of course, that's because they have a lower QWRTSRAT factor than the scrubs.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-07-2007, 10:59 PM
It was so nice to be able to go the sleep last night in peace knowing the curse of the goat is still working...and to hear the silence of those arrogant Cub fans!

:D:

More than my hatred towards the Cubs, it's one of those things about baseball. It is part of the tradition that the Cubs should be the losers. I'm glad that it will continue on.

C-Dawg
10-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Really, when you get down to it, the Cubs are still cursed. Now they are cursed with a mediocre manager. The curse is, everyone thinks he's a great manager.

I see a lot of similarities between the hirings of Piniella and Dusty Baker. In both cases, the hirings of these men brought great joy and optimism to Cub fans, since both were experienced and more or less successful as managers. "In Dusty We Trusty!" was the mantra back in 2003. However, just like in the case of Dusty, "Sweet Lou" has been criticized for mis-use of his pitching staff, and has been out-managed in the post season. And just like Dusty, I predict within 3-4 years, Cub fans will be ready to run Lou out of town, just like they did to Dusty.

itsnotrequired
10-08-2007, 09:33 AM
Correct. The walking stereotypes who embarrass this site and all Sox fans on a daily basis while rightfully fueling the Sox fan hating media will continue to be a blight on all of us. Sigh...

Haven't you heard? Part of being a good Sox fan is hating the Cubs!

VenturaFan23
10-08-2007, 09:38 AM
The real question is, will the Cubsession here finally die down?

No because they'll probably overpay for someone in the offseason and we'll laugh again

SBSoxFan
10-08-2007, 10:46 AM
:rolling:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7305544


The Cubs, on the other hand, were again less than the sum of their parts. :yup:

The Immigrant
10-08-2007, 10:50 AM
:rolling:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7305544


Ken Rosenthal is cubsessed!

ChiSoxFan81
10-08-2007, 10:55 AM
This has to be the highlight of the season - Lilly doing his best Moises Alou impression! Wow, I still haven't stopped laughing.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i225/chisoxfan81/lilly.gif

chisoxfanatic
10-08-2007, 03:31 PM
It's great to be able to go to regularly-scheduled programming again, not having to deal with hearing about all the Cub hype. They won exactly the same number of playoff games as 24 other MLB clubs. Congrats to the winners of the most inferior division in baseball!

dickallen15
10-08-2007, 03:39 PM
It's great to be able to go to regularly-scheduled programming again, not having to deal with hearing about all the Cub hype. They won exactly the same number of playoff games as 24 other MLB clubs. Congrats to the winners of the most inferior division in baseball!
It is a shame their 85 win dream season had to end.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-08-2007, 05:37 PM
:tomatoaward:tomatoaward

SoxandtheCityTee
10-08-2007, 11:04 PM
Haven't you heard? Part of being a good Sox fan is hating the Cubs!

Can we give the Cubsession-baiting a rest for a little while? I heard they were in the playoffs -- some people pay attention to those in any event.

If someone is still starting threads weeks from now, then fire it up. I guess.

itsnotrequired
10-08-2007, 11:06 PM
Can we give the Cubsession-baiting a rest for a little while? I heard they were in the playoffs -- some people pay attention to those in any event.

If someone is still starting threads weeks from now, then fire it up. I guess.

Bah, my post was from over 12 hours ago. Live in the now!

:redneck

SoxandtheCityTee
10-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Bah, my post was from over 12 hours ago. Live in the now!

:redneck

Twelve hours is pretty fast for me. I typically arrive when a thread is cobweb-covered.
:tongue:

Soxfanspcu11
10-09-2007, 03:45 AM
If Ozzie does something like this he would have been raked over the coals. 'course, I don't really think Ozzie could do something so stupid ...

While I do agree with you that if Ozzie had done this he would have been, "raked over the coals", I disagree that Ozzie "couldn't do something so stupid". What comes to mind immediately for me is that game against the Red Sox on July 20th at Fenway Park. White Sox have the lead, and the batter for Boston (can't remember who, but I want to say Varitek) steps to the plate. The White Sox, under Ozzie's guidance, set up in the "Right handed batter shift".

Boston's hitter shows bunt, to everyone's surprise. Luckily for the White Sox, the bunt is pushed foul. Knowing now that the strategy for Francona is to have his hitter bunt down the left field line because of the shift, the NO-BRAINER decision would be to cancel the shift, and to, at the VERY LEAST, bring Fields back over to guard the line.

What does Ozzie do? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The next pitch is a CARBON COPY of the previous. However this time, Varitek (or whomever) gets the bunt down. It was a bad bunt. It was "poked" at, and hit much to hard. If there had been someone at 3rd, it would have been an EASY 5-1 putout without the runners being able to advance. But since Ozzie failed to do ANYTHING, the ball rolls through the infield grass, the infield dirt and into short left field. 2 runs score, and "Varitek" ends up with a bunt double.

This then becomes the turning point of the game, and the White Sox end up getting beat badly.

So, I would respectfully disagree that Ozzie would "not do something so stupid".

Most glaring example was obviously the 5th inning when with 1 out, a 3-1 count a pitcher who was struggling to find the strike zone and the bases loaded, the flubbies still managed to ground into the IEDP.

This play epitomized the scrubs in the postseason. Everything you just said is 100% correct. Not only was Arizona's pitcher having trouble throwing strikes, you could tell in his demeanor that he was quite rattled. The situation, crowd noise and pressure were DEFINETLY getting to him. If you look at the replay of the 3-1 pitch that ended up being hit into an inning ending double play, you will see that the pitch was something off speed and was VERY low. DeRosa (I believe) had to reach WAY down to hit the ball. His swing reminded me of the way a hitter would swing if he had just been given the "Hit and Run" sign.

It was a 3-1 pitch for God's sake! Unless that pitch is a meatball right down the middle, there is absolutely NO WAY he should be swinging at it. Infact, even if it were a fastball right down the middle, he should have not been swinging! Not with the bases loaded, 1 out and down by only 2 runs.

As you mentioned, with how "worked up" Arizona's pitcher was, chances are, he does not throw 2 strikes in a row in that situation. There is NO DOUBT AT ALL that DeRosa swung at Ball 4. If he could have just had some patience, the kind of patience that SHOULD have been not only required, but DEMANDED in that situation, he would have taken Ball 4, made the score 3-2, and still had the bases loaded with 1 out.

As much as I hate the scrubs, and as much as I wanted to see them lose, even I cringed at that play. I couldn't believe that I had seen what I just saw. It is one thing to be "Free-Swinging", but it is something else all together to help out the other team in that fashion.

I guarantee you that the Cubs will push to make improvements. They will be a better team next year. They've raised the stakes; their on the field management is very good.

You "guarantee" that the cubs will push to make improvements?:?:

That's quite the "guarantee" considering the fact that the cubs don't exactly have the history to back up that statement.

When the cubs have made the playoffs in the last 10 years, (1998, 2003, 2007) and fell short of the ultimate goal, they had some very glaring holes in the team that ended up being their un-doing in their playoff series. These glaring holes were never addressed, despite the fact that it was insanely obvious what their problems were.

Instead, their inept management went out and filled holes that did not exist. They made lateral moves. Trying to improve upon their weaknesses was never addressed. Instead, the stategy seemed to be to increase the payroll, bring in some marque names and go at it again the following season with the same problems that sent them home the year prior.

There is no excuse for a team with this kind of a payroll, and the type of assests and connections that they have to be floundering in mediocrity. They have one of the largest payrolls in baseball, yet can not dominate in the worst divison in baseball. They lose their way to their division title, and when faced with a REAL team, get BEAT DOWN all over the field. A team, mind you, that has 1/3 of the payroll of the cubs.

The cubs surprised a lot of people this year. And thus, really "snuck up" on many teams. By the time teams realized that the cubs were a legitimate playoff team, (albeit a .500 one) it was too late.

Don't look for the cubs to be better than 85 wins next year. Infact, I would look for them to go somewhere around 75-87. Not only does history suggest it, but the current crop of players pretty much predicts it.

Grzegorz
10-09-2007, 06:29 AM
Seriously, though. How come nobody asked "Sweet Lou" about this in the post game conference today? Why he was planning ahead to a game that will never be played. If Ozzie does something like this he would have been raked over the coals. 'course, I don't really think Ozzie could do something so stupid ...

October,

Who would you rather have as a field manager: Lou Piniella or Ozzie Guillen?

The Immigrant
10-09-2007, 08:16 AM
What comes to mind immediately for me is that game against the Red Sox on July 20th at Fenway Park. White Sox have the lead, and the batter for Boston (can't remember who, but I want to say Varitek) steps to the plate.

It was the mighty Eric Hinske, who was batting .197 at the time.

spawn
10-09-2007, 09:21 AM
I was away from my laptop all weekend, but I couldn't wait to check out everyone's take on the Cubs getting swept. You all did not disappoint. I think the thing that bugs me are the Chicago mediots proclaiming this a choke job by the Cubs. On paper, the Cubs were better. But what the statistics didn't show was the Cubs playing in arguably the worst divison in baseball. If they are in any other division in the NL, they don't make the playoffs. Also, the D-backs did win 90 games in the best divison in the NL. I don't consider this a choke at all. Nevertheless, I did enjoy the sweep. I was at a wedding on Saturday night, and a Cub fan I'm friends with stated the obvious after checking out the game at the bar: "The D-backs are fundemetally sound. The Cubs aren't. Period." My only regret is not hearing Santo moaning about it on the radio. That would've been the icing on the cake.:D:

October26
10-09-2007, 12:20 PM
October,

Who would you rather have as a field manager: Lou Piniella or Ozzie Guillen?

Ozzie has 272 career wins and Lou has 1519 career wins, so on wins alone, you’d have to go with Lou (of course, Lou has managed a few more games than Ozzie). And Lou has had great success as a manager in the past, except while managingTampa. I have a lot of respect for Lou, just thought he made a questionable decision in game 1 of the Cubs/D’Backs series. My point in the post above was not to compare the two managers. It was simply to state that there are different rules as far as the Chicago media in is concerned for the White Sox manager and the Cubs manager. After the Cubs were eliminated, I resumed reading the newspapers and turned on the TV/radio. I have since read/heard that Lou has been criticized for saving Zambrano for the never played Game 4, so I stand corrected.


As far as your original question, Who would I rather have as a field manager: Lou Piniella or Ozzie Guillen? If the decision were based purely on the numbers, Lou would appear to be the better choice. But, I am a White Sox fan and I would rather have Ozzie as my field manager. Why?

because I saw him play hard for 13 years on some very bad White Sox teams. He hustled everyday and developed a great love for the White Sox organization. As a fan, I enjoyed seeing him in a White Sox uniform – even with his wild and crazy swing.
because I saw him lead the White Sox to a Central Division championship during that very stressful month of September 2005 when Cleveland was hot on our tails. I believe he took a lot of pressure off the players and made it possible for the White Sox to fend off Cleveland.
because I saw him lead the White Sox to a 3 game sweep against Boston. Not in my wildest dreams did I ever think the White Sox could beat the DEFENDING World Series Champion Boston Red Sox in that series. But you know what, Ozzie believed it, and the players believed it and they got it done.
because I saw him lead the White Sox to an American League Championship against Anaheim (even after they lost a critical game 1 of that series).
Because I saw him lead the White Sox to a World Series Championship against Houston. Sure the players have to perform on the field, and our players did, but the manager sets the tone for a team and from what I have heard from White Sox players, they love playing for Ozzie.
Now – let’s fast forward to the present. Ozzie did make some questionable moves during 2007 as the poster Soxfanspcu11 stated above. Believe me, I was just as angry as many White Sox fans on this board. But I really hope that the 2007 season was an aberration. Like Jerry Reinsdorf, I am a very loyal person. So, call me stupid, but I’ll take my chances with Ozzie Guillen as the manager of my favorite team – the Chicago White Sox.

TDog
10-09-2007, 01:33 PM
...


As far as your original question, Who would I rather have as a field manager: Lou Piniella or Ozzie Guillen? If the decision were based purely on the numbers, Lou would appear to be the better choice. But, I am a White Sox fan and I would rather have Ozzie as my field manager. ...

Unfortunately, in baseball, you pay players for what they have done as much as you pay them for what they will do. Pay big bucks for a free agent who puts up what will be the best season and you are rewarding a player who didn't even help you win. Saying you would rather have Lou Piniella based on his numbers isn't so different.

Some are old enough to remember Leo Durocher, who "turned the Cubs into winners" in 1967. Durocher would be elected to the Hall of Fame as a manager. He managed Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays and won pennants and the World Series. He even managed Gil Hodges (briefly), who outmanaged him in 1969. Durocher ended up with more than 2,000 wins as a manager, and a lot of people blame Durocher for the Cubs not winning in 1969. Durocher's work with the 1954 Giants meant little in 1969, less in 1970 and 1971 and even less in 1972, up until the point he was fired. His guest starring appearance (http://www.conelrad.com/mutatedtelevision/hermanmunster.php) on The Munsters (which aired between his managing gigs, about one year before his first game as Cubs manager) meant even less.

Piniella has won more games than Guillen. He is more charming than Guillen and more popular with the media. I'm sure there are questions reporters wouldn't ask Piniella that they would ask Guillen simply because they don't want to be in Piniella's doghouse and don't care if they have a falling out with Guillen.

Both Chicago managers made a lot of mistakes during the 2007 regular season that cost their team games. White Sox players played so horribly in a division where a team would lead baseball in wins. Guillen didn't have the margin for error that Piniella did. If the Brewers had won 90-plus games, or even 86, people wouldn't be praising Piniella for his work in 2007. As it was, Piniella was outmanaged in the NLDS by former White Sox catcher Bob Melvin, who came into the 2007 season managing 30 more losses than wins.

Some people don't see it, but I see Guillen at this stage of his career learning from his mistakes. Guillen is changing with the game of baseball. So is Melvin. The Piniellas and Dusty Bakers that the Cubs tend to hire don't seem to work in that mode.

eriqjaffe
10-09-2007, 03:04 PM
His guest starring appearance (http://www.conelrad.com/mutatedtelevision/hermanmunster.php) on The Munsters (which aired between his managing gigs, about one year before his first game as Cubs manager) meant even less.Mostly because it paled in comparison to his guest starring appearance (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0522599/) on The Beverly Hillbillies. :cool: