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eastchicagosoxfan
10-05-2007, 08:06 PM
Kenny Lofton had a decent season at age 40. He hit .296, scored 86 runs, and had 145 hits. I imagine he'll be back in 2008. For his career, he has 2428 hits, over 600 stolen bases, has scored over 1500 runs, and is a .299 hitter. At this point, he's in the Hall of Very Good. Short of 3000 hits, what are some other benchmarks he can hit to increase his chances? A great post-season would certainly help. He's 54th alltime in runs scored, but a couple of productive seasons could put him in the top 30. Everyone in the top 30, sans Raphael Stermelo is in. Is it enough. He has 1528 runs, Joe Morgan ( arguably baseball's greatest player according to one impartial analyst ) is at number 30 with 1650 runs scored. What do you think?

itsnotrequired
10-05-2007, 08:08 PM
Not a chance.

eastchicagosoxfan
10-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Not a chance.

What's he got to do? I'm not saying he's there, but I think with a couple of more productive seasons he should garner some serious consideration. Is it 3000 or bust for Lofton?

itsnotrequired
10-05-2007, 08:32 PM
What's he got to do? I'm not saying he's there, but I think with a couple of more productive seasons he should garner some serious consideration. Is it 3000 or bust for Lofton?

Throw in another 500 hits and a couple hundred more stolen bases and he will be a serious contender.

eastchicagosoxfan
10-05-2007, 08:42 PM
Throw in another 500 hits and a couple hundred more stolen bases and he will be a serious contender.
He hits those numbers he's a shoe in.

itsnotrequired
10-05-2007, 08:44 PM
He hits those numbers he's a shoe in.

Alright, question answered. The thread can now be closed.

:D:

eastchicagosoxfan
10-05-2007, 08:57 PM
Alright, question answered. The thread can now be closed.

:D:
So, I can safely assume you're in the " FAR " camp? :gulp:

eastchicagosoxfan
10-05-2007, 09:33 PM
Sooooo, who scored the winning RUN in tonight's game? The run, the most underrated baseball stat.

itsnotrequired
10-05-2007, 11:52 PM
Sooooo, who scored the winning RUN in tonight's game? The run, the most underrated baseball stat.

Lofton should get the game ball and a HoF nod.

:cool:

eastchicagosoxfan
10-06-2007, 07:00 AM
Lofton should get the game ball and a HoF nod.

:cool:
And the keys to several cities.:redneck

hose
10-06-2007, 08:58 AM
I think Kenny gets close enough to knock on the door at the HoF but he doesn't get in.

downstairs
10-06-2007, 10:03 AM
Sooooo, who scored the winning RUN in tonight's game? The run, the most underrated baseball stat.

Nah, I disagree. For a stat to be most meaningful for a player, it has to be as separate as possible from the work of others.

If you're standing on first with Jim Thome up as compared to a .200 hitter, you have a much better chance at scoring a run.

nccwsfan
10-06-2007, 01:29 PM
Kenny Lofton is in the Hall of Good. He's not in the Hall of Very Good and not close to the Hall of Fame.

So many other deserving candidates need to be in before Lofton even had a shot. Remember our boy Roberto Alomar? He was a virtual lock in the later stages of his career, and now I'm unsure if he gets in anytime soon if at all. Alomar is closer than Lofton, IMO.

Chicken Dinner
10-06-2007, 03:12 PM
He's a shoe in for the DHL hall of Fame.:D:

Huisj
10-06-2007, 10:30 PM
One big problem for Lofton is that he hasn't really played a full season as an everyday player in years. Some recent years, he's been sort of a platoon player who earns a full time job part way through the year, and other years that he's been an everyday player, he's missed some time with injuries.

Lofton has only played 150 games in a season twice in his career, in 1996 & 1998.

D. TODD
10-08-2007, 11:31 AM
His numbers are borderline hall of famer. Great gold glove centerfielder, one of the best base stealers of his time a three hundred lifetime hitter over a long career and elite lead-off man of his era.

He also was sent packing by every team he played for very quickly. Except for Gaylord Perry I can't think of another "hall of famer" that so many teams got rid of so often. He does not strike me as a hall of fame guy, but damn his numbers do put him at the threshold of that honor.

Hell, he's an E.C. boy that I had plenty of experience with in high school, I always thought he was a better basketball player anyway.

eriqjaffe
10-08-2007, 12:03 PM
Just in case any of you guys still had any delusions about the Sox offense this year, here's how Lofton - at age 40 - would rank on the '07 Sox:

1) Batting Average (.296) - 1st, 21 points higher Jim Thome.
2) Stolen Bases (23) - 2nd, 9 fewer than Jerry "14 Years Younger" Owens.
3) OBP (.367) - 2nd.
4) Triples (6) - 1st.
5) Walks (56) - 3rd.
6) Strikeouts (51) - 12th. Andy Gonzalez struck out more times in nearly 300 fewer at-bats.

The mind boggles.

hi im skot
10-08-2007, 12:29 PM
Just in case any of you guys still had any delusions about the Sox offense this year, here's how Lofton - at age 40 - would rank on the '07 Sox:


2) Stolen Bases (23) - 2nd, 9 fewer than Jerry "14 Years Younger" Owens.


Jerry Owens didn't play an entire season.

Not to mention it was, you know, his rookie year.

eriqjaffe
10-08-2007, 01:15 PM
Jerry Owens didn't play an entire season.

Not to mention it was, you know, his rookie year.Both true, and I didn't really think about that when I wrote that.