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Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 09:11 PM
..."Let's go Cubbies," the video board at Chase will instruct the Diamondback fans to drown them out with chants of "Beat the Cubs!" I am sure this will draw the ire of WLS-TV.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 09:22 PM
I'm sure all of us here at WSI will lose a lot of sleep over the fact that Tribune executives might have their feelings hurt.

If I'm the Diamondbacks, I worry more about the wash-ups (Clark, Ojeda, Byrnes) and no-names (Stephen Drew?) on their team than I do about the folks in the stands.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 09:23 PM
Why'd we give up Chris Young again?

Palehose Pete
10-03-2007, 09:25 PM
pitching. we gave up a speedy cf w/ 32 homers who can lead off for pitching.

MarySwiss
10-03-2007, 09:26 PM
..."Let's go Cubbies," the video board at Chase will instruct the Diamondback fans to drown them out with chants of "Beat the Cubs!" I am sure this will draw the ire of WLS-TV.
I heard that, too. Way to go, D'Backs! Although based on what I'm seeing on my TV, that whole "Wrigley Field West" thing just hasn't come to pass! :cool:

FedEx227
10-03-2007, 09:28 PM
I'm sure all of us here at WSI will lose a lot of sleep over the fact that Tribune executives might have their feelings hurt.

If I'm the Diamondbacks, I worry more about the wash-ups (Clark, Ojeda, Byrnes) and no-names (Stephen Drew?) on their team than I do about the folks in the stands.

How is Stephen Drew a no-name?

He was a top-15 pick only 4 years ago.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 09:30 PM
Why'd we give up Chris Young again?

Well, we got what looks to be a top of the rotation pitcher. It's looking more and more like a trade that works out for both teams. But that's a topic for another day.

skobabe8
10-03-2007, 09:31 PM
Why'd we give up Chris Young again?


You wouldnt have done the same? I would have every time.

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 09:33 PM
Well, we got what looks to be a top of the rotation pitcher. It's looking more and more like a trade that works out for both teams. But that's a topic for another day.

The Sox should have given them Anderson instead. I'm convinced that trade would have still gone through and this shows how KW is an idiot.

:happybday

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 09:33 PM
Right now I might rather have Young than Javy; but at the time there was no guarantee Young would pan out in the Majors anymore than BA.

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 09:34 PM
Right now I might rather have Young than Javy; but at the time there was no guarantee Young would pan out in the Majors anymore than BA.

And there's no guarantee he will pan out, either. An OBP south of .300 is plain ugly.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 09:42 PM
Horrible AB by Soriano. Actually, great pitching by Webb.

DumpJerry
10-03-2007, 09:42 PM
BA was rated as a higher prospect than Young at the time.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 09:43 PM
Dick Stockton can't pronounce Mike Quade's last name right.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 09:45 PM
Webb is looking filthy!

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Webb is looking filthy!

He certainly is. And Zambrano had to run the bases a bit there and didn't have an inning of rest. Let's see if that hurts his control or if he leaves some pitches up this inning.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Webb is looking filthy!

An amazing inning. But can Augie Ojeda and friends score him some runs?

oeo
10-03-2007, 09:47 PM
pitching. we gave up a speedy cf w/ 32 homers who can lead off for pitching.

Exactly...could you imagine what kind of shape our rotation would be in next year without Javy? CF can be filled a lot easier than the #2 slot in our rotation.

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 09:50 PM
An amazing inning. But can Augie Ojeda and friends score him some runs?

A good family friend, unfortunately Cubs fans, named their dog Augie back when Ojeda was a Cubs SS. Here's hoping he strikes back against his former team. :tongue:

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 09:51 PM
A good family friend, unfortunately Cubs fans, named their dog Augie back when Ojeda was a Cubs SS. Here's hoping he strikes back against his former team. :tongue:

He was the original Messiah up there, after all.

I thought he was out of baseball years ago, though. Then again, I thought Tony Clark was dead until I saw him take an at-bat earlier this game. How in the world have the Diamondbacks won anything with this motley crew?

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 09:52 PM
Cell phone idiot behind home plate, and it's shocking what jersey he is wearing.

MarySwiss
10-03-2007, 09:52 PM
Conditions are a little tense in the MarySwiss household tonight.

Oh, well; tomorrow we celebrate our 32nd anniversary at the game. Not a bad run, even if it ends there! :wink:

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 09:54 PM
He was the original Messiah up there, after all.

I thought he was out of baseball years ago, though. Then again, I thought Tony Clark was dead until I saw him take an at-bat earlier this game. How in the world have the Diamondbacks won anything with this motley crew?

Good ol' pitching and defense.

Ojeda certainly was out of the majors awhile. I want to say he was in the Twins organization for a bit, but not really sure.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 09:55 PM
Frank Caliendo getting his own TV show has made my evening.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 09:55 PM
:hawk
Ramirez just missed that one.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 09:56 PM
Good ol' pitching and defense.

Ojeda certainly was out of the majors awhile. I want to say he was in the Twins organization for a bit, but not really sure.

I distinctly remember mocking a Twins fan about Augie Ojeda in the early 2000's; I believe it was either in the 2002 or 2003 offseason.

The story I heard was that he had bought a Cadillac dealership in Pennsylvania and was going to leave baseball for car dealing.

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 09:56 PM
Frank Caliendo getting his own TV show has made my evening.

He doesn't seem that funny to me, but he does a better impersonation of the President than anyone I've heard.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 09:56 PM
Cell phone idiot behind home plate, and it's shocking what jersey he is wearing.
My girlfriend was annoyed with that guy. I told her he was wearing a Cubs jersey and she told me to shut up :smile:

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 09:57 PM
He doesn't seem that funny to me, but he does a better impersonation of the President than anyone I've heard.

His stuff is amazing IMO. His Bush and Madden are just unreal.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 09:58 PM
Was that my imagination or did we just hear our first "Let's go Cubs" chant?

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 09:59 PM
I love me some good pitching. The only thing missing from this game is a bit of an October chill. Ninety-one degrees just doesn't cut it! And it's supposed to be close to 80 in Chicago this weekend!

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 09:59 PM
Was that my imagination or did we just hear our first "Let's go Cubs" chant?

Ugh. One of the best young pitchers in the game is dealing (as I type that he hits DeRosa) and all the announcers can talk about is how great and loyal Cubs fans are and it's amazing how well they travel, yada yada.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:00 PM
I love me some good pitching. The only thing missing from this game is a bit of an October chill. Ninety-one degrees just doesn't cut it! And it's supposed to be close to 80 in Chicago this weekend!

IIRC, our two ALDS games at home against Boston were pretty warm days.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:01 PM
IIRC, our two ALDS games at home against Boston were pretty warm days.

Game 1 definitely was and I think the second game was, too. But then it got cold!

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:02 PM
IIRC, our two ALDS games at home against Boston were pretty warm days.

85 degrees Game 1, http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200510040.shtml.

81 degrees, Game 2,http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200510050.shtml

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:04 PM
:putitontheboard

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:04 PM
Be-he-mothian.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:04 PM
I'm sure all of us here at WSI will lose a lot of sleep over the fact that Tribune executives might have their feelings hurt.

If I'm the Diamondbacks, I worry more about the wash-ups (Clark, Ojeda, Byrnes) and no-names (Stephen Drew?) on their team than I do about the folks in the stands.

I believe you were saying something funny...

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 10:05 PM
That was an absurd strike call on Clark.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:06 PM
That was an absurd strike call on Clark.

Big strike zone tonight, but it's going both ways.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:07 PM
That was an absurd strike call on Clark.

Umps have been pandering to Zambrano all night.

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 10:07 PM
Big strike zone tonight, but it's going both ways.

Ah, I haven't paid much attention so far - been watching an old Sopranos on A&E.

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:08 PM
Big strike zone tonight, but it's going both ways.

Seriously. You could fly a 747 through that zone.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
Seriously. You could fly a 747 through that zone.

Pitcher's duel favors the D-Backs.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
Alrght, there's your run Webb, don't blow it.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
Whats the over/under on how many flyballs Soriano hops at before he screws a routine flyball up?

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:10 PM
I'm curious if anyone could tell me, is the dream still alive?

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:11 PM
I'm curious if anyone could tell me, is the dream still alive?

Yes, because it's oooooouuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr country.

Bucky F. Dent
10-03-2007, 10:11 PM
Beat me to it Spivack.:D:

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:11 PM
I'm curious if anyone could tell me, is the dream still alive?

It is for folks like me and you.

I've always said the best folk are commercial-watching folk.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:12 PM
When did Josh Fields join the D-Backs?

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:12 PM
Beat me to it Spivack.:D:

What can I say, I'm like a rock.

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:12 PM
****ing bull **** 9 pm start, I need some ****ing sleep before work.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:12 PM
****

jabrch
10-03-2007, 10:13 PM
Why'd we give up Chris Young again?

You need a reminder?

Chris Young - .237/.295/.467
Javy Vazquez - 3.74/1.14/213Ks

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:13 PM
****ing bull **** 9 pm start, I need some ****ing sleep before work.

Sleep with your eyes open.

Palehose Pete
10-03-2007, 10:14 PM
OMG, the TBS picture is so jumpy and bad right now that I think I'm going to start having seizures...

Wow, what's going on here? Is there a solar flare disrupting the transmission?

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:14 PM
Is the cell phone idiot from before trying to distract Webb? He was holding up some sort of sign. That reminds me of the lady at Shea Stadium during the 1986 World Series who kept rolling her arms whenever a Red Sox pitcher was on the mound.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
OMG, the TBS picture is so jumpy and bad right now that I think I'm going to start having seizures...

Wow, what's going on here? Is there a solar flare disrupting the transmission?

I've really not noticed it.

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Sleep with your eyes open.
I'm hurting. Got up for work at 2:15 am. Started at 3 am. Got home about 1 pm just in time to plant my ass on the couch for the playoffs. I don't like chances of making through the Cub game. Yes I gotta be up at 2:15 am tommorow for work.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:15 PM
The Cub's fanbase *****ing has already begun :whiner:

WEBB CLEARLY HAS A BROWN SUBSTANCE ON HIS HAT!!!!!!!!!!!

COME ON, HOW CAN THE UMPS NOT CATCH THAT????????

Are non-biased announcers told, in no uncertain terms, to not call possible infractions into play on air??

How can the announcers not notice the area and his constantly putting his hand up there??

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:16 PM
Still our country...

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:16 PM
You need a reminder?

Chris Young - .237/.295/.467
Javy Vazquez - 3.74/1.14/213Ks

Ok, so I got a bit giddy when I saw a leadoff guy get a hit and then steal a base. :tongue:

Palehose Pete
10-03-2007, 10:16 PM
Maybe it's just Soriano jumping up to meet a fly ball...

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:16 PM
I'm hurting. Got up for work at 2:15 am. Started at 3 am. Got home about 1 pm just in time to plant my ass on the couch for the playoffs. I don't like chances of making through the Cub game. Yes I gotta be up at 2:15 am tommorow for work.

You should have won the lotto instead.

oeo
10-03-2007, 10:16 PM
Zambrano is the only one that can hit. :lol:

TDog
10-03-2007, 10:17 PM
****ing bull **** 9 pm start, I need some ****ing sleep before work.

Move to the West Coast.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:17 PM
So, as Jacque Jones grounded out, I heard a loud "goddamnit!" from next door.

Great, just great. I move 1,000 miles and I still live next door to a Cubs fan.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:17 PM
Notice USCF in that last Chevy commercial?

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 10:17 PM
If I'm the Diamondbacks, I worry more about the wash-ups (Clark, Ojeda, Byrnes) and no-names (Stephen Drew?) on their team than I do about the folks in the stands.

Yeah, great call on the no-names. :rolleyes: All Drew has done so far is homer and make a couple of nice plays at short.

How about getting a clue before posting?

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:18 PM
So, as Jacque Jones grounded out, I heard a loud "goddamnit!" from next door.

Great, just great. I move 1,000 miles and I still live next door to a Cubs fan.

They are likely Red Sox fans who root for the Cubs as their #2 team.

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Still our country...

:::Bangs head against desk:::

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:18 PM
:::Bangs head against desk:::
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4417/bangingheadrc0.gif

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:18 PM
Notice USCF in that last Chevy commercial?

I try not to notice anything during a Chevy commercial.

But I live in Chevy Chase!

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 10:18 PM
I'm hurting. Got up for work at 2:15 am. Started at 3 am. Got home about 1 pm just in time to plant my ass on the couch for the playoffs. I don't like chances of making through the Cub game. Yes I gotta be up at 2:15 am tommorow for work.

Dude, go to sleep.

I'll have a close friend of everyone at WSI's give you a wake up call with the final. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=93364)

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:19 PM
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4417/bangingheadrc0.gif

Thanks, couldn't find it.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:22 PM
Come on Augie, extend the inning so the pitcher's spot doesn't clog up the next inning.

Gotta love the National League "strategy", no?

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 10:23 PM
Theriot kinda looks like an inbred Doug Flutie.

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:23 PM
Except for the homer "Z'" has been dominant. Webb has gotten out of trouble so far. He's gotta becareful you give a team that many oppertunities eventually they'll get ya.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:24 PM
Right here, Ojeda should get in Zambrano's head. Remember when, IIRC, Timo or Pablo did that in a crosstown game?

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:24 PM
Theriot kinda looks like an inbred Doug Flutie.
Instead of "Flutie Flakes" we can have "Therios"

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:25 PM
Instead of "Flutie Flakes" we can have "Therios"

His name is The Riot.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:27 PM
Instead of "Flutie Flakes" we can have "Therios"
:rolling:

AnkleSox
10-03-2007, 10:28 PM
They are likely Red Sox fans who root for the Cubs as their #2 team.

There really aren't that many of those, as much as cubs fans like to think they have some stupid bond. I hate the red sox, but most of the fans i've talked to were annoyed by the cubs fans who tried to share in on their victory in 2004.

rookie
10-03-2007, 10:29 PM
Ugh. One of the best young pitchers in the game is dealing (as I type that he hits DeRosa) and all the announcers can talk about is how great and loyal Cubs fans are and it's amazing how well they travel, yada yada.

Do they do this with Yankee/Red Sox games? Because their fans "travel" well. I don't know, but I don't think Yankee/Red Sox fans are obssessed with how large their fanbase is. Yankees are obssessed with being God's gift to baseball, and I don't know what the Red Sox are obssessed with...the Yankees maybe?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4417/bangingheadrc0.gif

I HATE the commercial. Not only is it annoying, but the first few ones has clips from important moments in US history...to sell cars. Good grief. I want to scream every time I hear that stupid song.

Patrick134
10-03-2007, 10:29 PM
Way for Zambrano to celebrate striking out Webb like it was Babe Ruth up there. Douche.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:30 PM
There really aren't that many of those, as much as cubs fans like to think they have some stupid bond. I hate the red sox, but most of the fans i've talked to were annoyed by the cubs fans who tried to share in on their victory in 2004.

The handful of Red Sox fans I know (pretty solid fans, too) consider the Cubs their NL team.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Webb is back in trouble; he's gonna have to get red-hot Mark DeRosa out with a guy in second. That is, if Cliff Floyd doesn't drive him in first.

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Way for Zambrano to celebrate striking out Webb like it was Babe Ruth up there. Douche.
Whats wrong with showing emotion?

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:33 PM
Where was it?

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:34 PM
Scary AB for Webb here. Soto can swing it.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:34 PM
Webb can't find the plate.

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Webb's blowing it right here.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:36 PM
And the screws are coming off. ****.

AnkleSox
10-03-2007, 10:36 PM
oh what the **** webb

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:36 PM
Webb beating himself here. Curious to see if Theriot is taking a strike here or not.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:36 PM
Bases juiced for the Cubs. Time for Webb to dig deep and get out of the jam.

Frontman
10-03-2007, 10:36 PM
If the Cubs don't do something here, they're wasting a golden opportunity. Zambrano has pitched a decent game, yet they can't get more than 3 hits?!?!?!?

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:37 PM
And the screws are coming off. ****.

Classic HomeFish...

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 10:37 PM
If the Cubs don't do something here, they're wasting a golden opportunity. Zambrano has pitched a decent game, yet they can't get more than 3 hits?!?!?!?
They don't need to do anything. Webb is handing them the game.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:38 PM
If the Cubs score even one run here, they've just won the ballgame. No way are the Diamondbacks going to score again, with the way Zambrano has been pitching and their general lack of talent.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:38 PM
If the Cubs score even one run here, they've just won the ballgame. No way are the Diamondbacks going to score again, with the way Zambrano has been pitching and their general lack of talent.

They just did.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:38 PM
Classic HomeFish...
Yeah, and Stephen Drew is a nobody

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:38 PM
If the Cubs score even one run here, they've just won the ballgame. No way are the Diamondbacks going to score again, with the way Zambrano has been pitching and their general lack of talent.

:rolling:

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:38 PM
If the Cubs score even one run here, they've just won the ballgame. No way are the Diamondbacks going to score again, with the way Zambrano has been pitching and their general lack of talent.

:rolleyes::roflmao:

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:39 PM
About time Chicago. Do the damage yourself "Z".

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:39 PM
If the Cubs score even one run here, they've just won the ballgame. No way are the Diamondbacks going to score again, with the way Zambrano has been pitching and their general lack of talent.

Any chance we can get a graph to make this more clear?

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 10:39 PM
pitching. we gave up a speedy cf w/ 32 homers who can lead off for pitching.Exactly what part of .295 on base percentage convinces you he can bat lead off?

DSpivack
10-03-2007, 10:39 PM
Well, that could've been much worse.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
:rolling:

:rolleyes::roflmao:

+1

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
And he gets out with only a run. The D'backs better wake up here.

chisoxmike
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
About time Chicago. Do the damage yourself "Z".

:?:

Frontman
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
Exactly what part of .295 on base percentage convinces you he can bat lead off?

That's about 30 points higher than Pods when he lead off this season.

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
Exactly what part of .295 on base percentage convinces you he can bat lead off?

Who cares? Look at the power!

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:40 PM
Well, that could've been much worse.
Nope, that was the game, series, and playoffs. Haven't you been reading Homefish's posts?

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 10:41 PM
If the Cubs score even one run here, they've just won the ballgame. No way are the Diamondbacks going to score again, with the way Zambrano has been pitching and their general lack of talent.

It was so lame of MLB to let the D-backs into the playoffs after going 66-96 this year. Damn that Bud Selig!

getonbckthr
10-03-2007, 10:41 PM
:?:
Yes i'm cheering for the Cubs, who happen to be from CHICAGO!

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:41 PM
The D-Backs' pen is better than the Cubs'.

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:41 PM
Yes i'm cheering for the Cubs, who happen to be from CHICAGO!

Great band, good tunes!

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:42 PM
The D-Backs' pen is better than the Cubs'.

Yep. Low scoring, close games favor the D-Backs in a pretty big way. If every game of this series is 1-1 going into the 7th, I like the D-Backs' chances.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:43 PM
Stockton: "Soriano hobbling a bit."

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 10:44 PM
I bet Z throws at Drew here.

JB98
10-03-2007, 10:45 PM
Yes i'm cheering for the Cubs, who happen to be from CHICAGO!

I'm cheering for the Diamondbacks, who happen to be from Arizona.

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 10:46 PM
That's about 30 points higher than Pods when he lead off this season.OK, and if I had argued that Podsednik was a better player than Chris Young, you would have just won. That doesn't make him a lead off hitter.

Stephen Drew SUCKS. Cut his ass already, Arizona.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:46 PM
Yep. Low scoring, close games favor the D-Backs in a pretty big way. If every game of this series is 1-1 going into the 7th, I like the D-Backs' chances.

With Webb struggling and the top of the opposing lineup coming up, I can't say that I do.

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 10:47 PM
That last AB by Young shows what's wrong with his game. In a low scoring game where you desperately need base runners, he swings at a 3-1 pitch way up in the zone.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:47 PM
Stephen Drew SUCKS. Cut his ass already, Arizona.
Tell me about it. He's a nobody, or so I've read :rolleyes:

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:48 PM
With Webb struggling and the top of the opposing lineup coming up, I can't say that I do.

I'm not surprised. According to you, this ballgame is already over. Regardless of what the outcome actually turns out to be, you've decided there is absolutely no chance, right now, of the D-Backs winning.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:48 PM
Tell me about it. He's a nobody, or so I've read :rolleyes:

I'm happy he's proving me wrong (so far), but there is only so much one man can do with ****ing Eric Byrnes hitting behind him, and the ancient Tony Clark.

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 10:49 PM
With Webb struggling and the top of the opposing lineup coming up, I can't say that I do.Much like Hangar, you have gone so overboard that you are actually just a caricature of yourself.

itsnotrequired
10-03-2007, 10:49 PM
I'm happy he's proving me wrong (so far), but there is only so much one man can do with ****ing Eric Byrnes hitting behind him, and the ancient Tony Clark.

The dream is still alive...

DumpJerry
10-03-2007, 10:50 PM
I couldn't find it, but just before the 2005 season started, Homefish posted an assessement of the White Sox' chances that year which made it sound like they'd be lucky to win 40 games. In 2005.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:50 PM
Much like Hangar, you have gone so overboard that you are actually just a caricature of yourself.

QFT.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 10:50 PM
I couldn't find it, but just before the 2005 season started, Homefish posted an assessement of the White Sox' chances that year which made it sound like they'd be lucky to win 40 games. In 2005.

My prediction was 72 wins, not 40.

WizardsofOzzie
10-03-2007, 10:52 PM
I'm happy he's proving me wrong (so far), but there is only so much one man can do with ****ing Eric Byrnes hitting behind him, and the ancient Tony Clark.
Remind me, is that the same ****ing Eric Byrnes who hit only 7 less HR than Jermaine Dye with a BA 32 points higher? You make it sound like they just pulled him out of A ball

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 10:52 PM
Zambrano may be done for the night.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 10:52 PM
Wow. Pulling Zambrano? Maybe he should get into a little better shape for next year.

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 11:07 PM
WSI back up and so are the Dbacks!

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:07 PM
Now that we're back, Arizona took the lead on a solo shot by Reynolds.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:08 PM
3-1 'Zona on a sac fly.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 11:10 PM
None of this makes any sense. I was told the game was over and the D-Backs could not possibly score again. :?:

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:29 PM
We're back again, and it's hold 'em and go to bed time.

Diamondbacks 3, Cubs 1 (End 8th)

rookie
10-03-2007, 11:30 PM
WSI back up and so are the Dbacks!

That's what we get for watching a Cubs game. I know it's sad, but I enjoy watching them lose. So glad Arizona came through. Anyone know why the cameras were so fascinated with Zambrano's face?

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 11:30 PM
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/house-selling-1.jpg
http://www.eslkidstuff.com/images/fish.gif

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:32 PM
Lead man down, and the cell phone idiot is trying to distract Valverde with a flashing Cubs sign. Where the hell is Chase Field security?

thedudeabides
10-03-2007, 11:32 PM
Anybody else see the t-shirt the reads "The Windy City Blows"?

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 11:32 PM
Chris Young has a little Willie Mays Hayes in him.

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 11:33 PM
Lead man down, and the cell phone idiot is trying to distract Valverde with a flashing Cubs sign. Where the hell is Chase Field security?There you go.
And all they did was ask him to stop. They should have thrown him out of the park and given him the beating of his life.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:34 PM
After being warned by the umps, the cell phone idiot sits down.

Meanwhile, two down!

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 11:34 PM
The guy holding the neon sign::rolling:

oeo
10-03-2007, 11:34 PM
Can Cubs fans get any dumber?

TDog
10-03-2007, 11:35 PM
Yes i'm cheering for the Cubs, who happen to be from CHICAGO!


I've never lived in Chicago, and I find your statement distasteful.

thedudeabides
10-03-2007, 11:35 PM
Can Cubs fans get any dumber?

It appears they can.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 11:36 PM
Can Cubs fans get any dumber?

Yes. 2005 crosstown series, I bring a sign showing the actual standings of the two teams that day, with the Sox up 10.5 games and the Cubs down a similar amount. A Cubs fan walks up to me and says "you wish!"

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:36 PM
:garyward
My son is at bat!

Domeshot17
10-03-2007, 11:38 PM
Anyone else notice cell phone idiot drop his beer or soda can or whatever when he was trying to explain his cheating tactics

SoxSpeed22
10-03-2007, 11:38 PM
:garyward
My son is at bat!Which BTW, could make a decent DH if we have to trade Thome for $ purposes.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:38 PM
Crap.

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 11:38 PM
Why am I nervous all of a sudden?

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 11:39 PM
Well, walks got them in trouble earlier. Will Soriano capitalize? He hasn't looked too good at the plate tonight thus far.

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 11:39 PM
Tying run comes to the plate in the form of noted postseason slugger Alfonso Soriano.

He hit a game-tying HR against the Diamondbacks in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series. Things are looking down.

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 11:39 PM
stupid valverde. I don't think this guy has a 3 up 3 down save this year

koch44
10-03-2007, 11:39 PM
It was funny seeing the close up of the guy as the umpires were coming up to him, he looked very nervous while taking sips of beer.

oeo
10-03-2007, 11:39 PM
How did that moron not get kicked out of the game?

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
Tying run comes to the plate in the form of noted postseason slugger Alfonso Soriano.

He hit a game-tying HR against the Diamondbacks in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series. Things are looking down.

Do things ever look up in your world?

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
Tying run comes to the plate in the form of noted postseason slugger Alfonso Soriano.

He hit a game-tying HR against the Diamondbacks in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series. Things are looking down.

of course they are

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
AND THIS GAME IS OVAAAA!!!

:supernana:

The Immigrant
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
:dtroll::dtroll::dtroll:

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
Ring it up!

HomeFish
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Do things ever look up in your world?

Things just got a whole lot better. :smile:

mrfourni
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Lou's got to be second guessing pulling zambozo now

manders_01
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Neon sign guy...

First of all, how much money do you have that you are at all these Chicago postseason games?

Second, how do you get this money when you seem to have a wide open schedule?

And third, QUIT ROOTING FOR THE SCRUBS!!!

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
And this ballgame is OVAH!

If the Cubs had come back from that, the fans and the Cubune would've praised that idiot behind the plate.

The Immigrant
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
It's never gonna happen.

:gulp:

oeo
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Tying run comes to the plate in the form of noted postseason slugger Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano can't get a hit with a runner in scoring position to save his life. That's why he doesn't bat in the middle of the order...he can't get the job done.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 11:41 PM
Good baseball game tonight. It's unfortunate Lou took out Zambrano, as this was shaping up to be a phenomenal pitcher's duel. In the end, the D-Backs won in the manner I thought they would. Keep it close, low scoring, and let the bullpen dominate.

TDog
10-03-2007, 11:42 PM
Lou's got to be second guessing pulling zambozo now

I've never considered him a good manager.

The Immigrant
10-03-2007, 11:42 PM
Neon sign guy...

First of all, how much money do you have that you are at all these Chicago postseason games?

He was at the Bears-Cowboys game too.

chisoxmike
10-03-2007, 11:42 PM
Neon sign guy...

First of all, how much money do you have that you are at all these Chicago postseason games?

Second, how do you get this money when you seem to have a wide open schedule?

And third, QUIT ROOTING FOR THE SCRUBS!!!

I don't think that was the guy who was at the Sox games.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:43 PM
I wonder how much play the cell phone/neon sign idiot will get. He has provided us with the textbook stereotype of a stupid Cub fan willing to cheat and undermine the opposition in an attempt to gain victory.

chisoxmike
10-03-2007, 11:44 PM
Frank!

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 11:44 PM
Dear Carlos Zambrano,

Did you see Valverde dance and run his mouth just then? That is because he actually did something - he closed the game. Now, do you realize how ****ing stupid you looked when you danced around and yelled at yourself after you struck someone out to end the first inning? Enjoy your offseason, and go **** yourself.

Yours truly,

TOR

cburns
10-03-2007, 11:44 PM
I've never considered him a good manager.

Lou is a good manager. He said Zambrano would be pitching Game 4 if it was necessary. Probably wanted to keep his pitch count low.

russ99
10-03-2007, 11:45 PM
..."Let's go Cubbies," the video board at Chase will instruct the Diamondback fans to drown them out with chants of "Beat the Cubs!" I am sure this will draw the ire of WLS-TV.

Cripes, we should be doing that at the Cell. Every other year I vow never to do Cubs/Sox and after a year away I break it.

oeo
10-03-2007, 11:45 PM
I wonder how much play the cell phone/neon sign idiot will get. He has provided us with the textbook stereotype of a stupid Cub fan willing to cheat and undermine the opposition in an attempt to gain victory.

How did he even get behind home plate with that thing?

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:46 PM
Lou: "Hey you guys, this is only the first game."

thedudeabides
10-03-2007, 11:46 PM
Lou's got to be second guessing pulling zambozo now

A couple of situations I thought Lou should have bunted. Also, why did Jacque Jones bat 2nd tonight? Not Lou's best game as a manager.

manders_01
10-03-2007, 11:47 PM
I don't think that was the guy who was at the Sox games.

IMO, add a 'stache and it's him. I really think it's the same guy.

thomas35forever
10-03-2007, 11:47 PM
I don't think that was the guy who was at the Sox games.
That neon sign was a lot bigger and flashier.

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 11:47 PM
Neon sign guy...

First of all, how much money do you have that you are at all these Chicago postseason games?

Second, how do you get this money when you seem to have a wide open schedule?

And third, QUIT ROOTING FOR THE SCRUBS!!!I don't think that is the same guy. Isn't our neon sign guy "Soxman"? Soxman would never root for the Cubs.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-03-2007, 11:48 PM
How did he even get behind home plate with that thing?

How about his reaction when the Ump called him on it -- What, me? What did I do? -- with the arms outstretched. What a jackass.

Domeshot17
10-03-2007, 11:48 PM
blow cubs blow
blow cubs blow
hey chicago what do ya say
the cubs are gonna choke today

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:48 PM
I don't think that is the same guy. Isn't our neon sign guy "Soxman"? Soxman would never root for the Cubs.

Bingo.

chisoxmike
10-03-2007, 11:48 PM
IMO, add a 'stache and it's him. I really think it's the same guy.

It seemed the guy was media. He was sitting in front of a computer.

thedudeabides
10-03-2007, 11:50 PM
Lou is a good manager. He said Zambrano would be pitching Game 4 if it was necessary. Probably wanted to keep his pitch count low.

I think taking out a pitcher to be fresh for a game that may never be played is stupid. If that's the reason he pulled him he should take some heat for it.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:50 PM
It seemed the guy was media. He was sitting in front of a computer.

Unless he was working for a shock jock or something like that, they guy is not media. Any person working for a reputable media organization would be fired for doing something like that.

TheOldRoman
10-03-2007, 11:50 PM
Lou is a good manager. He said Zambrano would be pitching Game 4 if it was necessary. Probably wanted to keep his pitch count low.
Part of me hopes it goes to game 4 just so Zambrano gets pounded on three days rest to end another failure of a season. Nah, I would rather end it on Saturday.

TDog
10-03-2007, 11:51 PM
Lou is a good manager. He said Zambrano would be pitching Game 4 if it was necessary. Probably wanted to keep his pitch count low.

How do you even know there will be a Game 4? Pitch counts mean much, much less this time of year. Especially in a best of three series, every game could be a starter's last.

Edit: I looked it up and found Zambrano threw 110 pitches in his last start, so concerned was Piniella with his pitch count in his tuneup before the NLDS.

mrfourni
10-03-2007, 11:52 PM
Lou is a good manager. He said Zambrano would be pitching Game 4 if it was necessary. Probably wanted to keep his pitch count low.

In that situation I still think you keep Zambrano in. If it was a 7 game series, maybe you worry about the pitch count. Now Zambrano might not pitch again.

But then again I'm not a manager.

oeo
10-03-2007, 11:52 PM
I think taking out a pitcher to be fresh for a game that may never be played is stupid. If that's the reason he pulled him he should take some heat for it.

But the reason they have to do it, is because they're not a very good team. If they had some SP depth, they wouldn't have to worry about Zambozo pitching too long...much like the '05 Sox.

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 11:52 PM
How about his reaction when the Ump called him on it -- What, me? What did I do? -- with the arms outstretched. What a jackass.

"C'mon bro, just messin around, supportin' the Cubb-eeze. Cubb-eeze, whoo!"

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 11:52 PM
Lou is a good manager. He said Zambrano would be pitching Game 4 if it was necessary. Probably wanted to keep his pitch count low.

Perfect. the recent postseason history of guys going on short rest isn't too good. Plus, if you look at the splits, Z was much better on the road that he was at the urinal this year. I truly hope they bring him back for game 4.

cburns
10-03-2007, 11:53 PM
How do you even know there will be a Game 4? Pitch counts mean much, much less this time of year. Especially in a best of three series, every game could be a starter's last.

At the same time, Marmol has been pretty damn good this year. He should be able to trust him not to give up any runs. Having said that, I'm very pleased with the results of the game.

peeonwrigley
10-03-2007, 11:53 PM
Does AZ plan to bring Webb back for game 4 (if necessary)?

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 11:54 PM
It seemed the guy was media. He was sitting in front of a computer.

He's not media. Those are the most expensive seats in the house. Sort of like the scout seats at USCF, only a much smaller section.

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:55 PM
Fans on the Score and Sox fan Laurence Holmes looking at Piniella as the reason for the loss. And I think Webb is slated to pitch Game 5 if the series goes that far.

thedudeabides
10-03-2007, 11:55 PM
Does AZ plan to bring Webb back for game 4 (if necessary)?

I believe so. I think most teams this series, no matter what they say now, will bring their #1 back for game 4.

FedEx227
10-03-2007, 11:56 PM
Fans on the Score and Sox fan Laurence Holmes looking at Piniella as the reason for the loss. And I think Webb is slated to pitch Game 5 if the series goes that far.

Bring back Dusty!

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 11:57 PM
I believe so. I think most teams this series, no matter what they say now, will bring their #1 back for game 4.

Unlikely if they are up 2-1 on the road.

AZChiSoxFan
10-03-2007, 11:57 PM
I believe so. I think most teams this series, no matter what they say now, will bring their #1 back for game 4.

No they won't. Viva was correct. Webb would only pitch again in this series in a game 5. Hitter extrordonaire, Micah Owings is slated to pitch game 4 for the snakes.

ilsox7
10-03-2007, 11:57 PM
Nice postgame interview by Bob Melvin here. Lots of good insights about his team.

cburns
10-03-2007, 11:58 PM
Does anyone have the stats on what the record is for teams to have lost the first game of a 5 game series?

Viva Medias B's
10-03-2007, 11:58 PM
I'll close with this one:

:wills
"Here's hoping you enjoyed the game thread; I KNOW you liked the outcome."

thedudeabides
10-03-2007, 11:59 PM
Unlikely if they are up 2-1 on the road.

I guess your right. The situation will dictate who pitches.

The Immigrant
10-03-2007, 11:59 PM
Unlikely if they are up 2-1 on the road.

Agreed, but if it's an elimination game he will probably pitch.

ilsox7
10-04-2007, 12:01 AM
Agreed, but if it's an elimination game he will probably pitch.

I would think/hope so. Unless Webb is just tanked, I cannot imagine him sitting on the sideline watching his team get eliminated.

TheOldRoman
10-04-2007, 12:03 AM
But the reason they have to do it, is because they're not a very good team. If they had some SP depth, they wouldn't have to worry about Zambozo pitching too long...much like the '05 Sox.That can't be. Homefish was just telling us that the Cubs had a huge advantage in pitching.

TDog
10-04-2007, 12:05 AM
At the same time, Marmol has been pretty damn good this year. He should be able to trust him not to give up any runs. Having said that, I'm very pleased with the results of the game.

The game was tied. If the Cubs had a big lead, the lead would make more sense. Any time you go to the bullpen, especially on he road where a team doesn't often play, you don't know what you're going to get.

I didn't watch the game, but apparently Marmol gave up the lead as soon as he came in.

The Cubs bullpen lost more games than the White Sox bullpen in 2007. And that doesn't reflect well on the Cubs manager.

cburns
10-04-2007, 12:10 AM
I'm not saying I agreed with the move, I just can understand where it's coming from thats all.

thomas35forever
10-04-2007, 12:11 AM
This discussion about Lou take Zambozo out of a tied ballgame is like questioning Phil Garner taking Brandon Backe out of Game 4 of the 2005 WS.

TDog
10-04-2007, 12:14 AM
This discussion about Lou take Zambozo out of a tied ballgame is like questioning Phil Garner taking Brandon Backe out of Game 4 of the 2005 WS.

Didn't Backe come out for a pinch-hitter? I was driving home from work and listening to the game on the radio. In any event, I didn't think taking Backe out was a smart move, but it made more strategic sense than taking out Zambrano tonight.

Nellie_Fox
10-04-2007, 12:26 AM
The Sox should have given them Anderson instead. I'm convinced that trade would have still gone through and this shows how KW is an idiot.
http://www.madbeast.com/images/HINDSIGHT_TEXT.jpg

Much like Hangar, you have gone so overboard that you are actually just a caricature of yourself.That horse left the barn years ago.

DumpJerry
10-04-2007, 06:19 AM
Yes i'm cheering for the Cubs, who happen to be from CHICAGO!
So were Richard Speck and John Wayne Gacy.:tongue:

DumpJerry
10-04-2007, 06:27 AM
It seemed the guy was media. He was sitting in front of a computer.
:moron
I normally don't seek the spotlight, but I couldn't help myself last night.

Frontman
10-04-2007, 08:27 AM
Cubs wasted an opportunity last night. In a 3 game series, that HAVE to win tonight, as going down 0-2, they've got to win 3 in a row; which this team didn't do that much of this season.

Shame really, as Zambrano pitched a decent game. Got himself in trouble a few times, but kept them in the game until he was removed.

MarySwiss
10-04-2007, 08:31 AM
No they won't. Viva was correct. Webb would only pitch again in this series in a game 5. Hitter extrordonaire, Micah Owings is slated to pitch game 4 for the snakes.

You know, it would almost be worth seeing this go to game 4 just to watch what would happen if Micah took Zambozo deep! Can you imagine? :D:

But I said "almost." in a five-game series, I'd rather see them wrap it up ASAP.

HomeFish
10-04-2007, 09:15 AM
Talk of a Game 5 is premature, as is criticism of yanking Zambrano. The Diamondbacks have some very, very questionable pitching coming up in the next two days. Ted Lilly and Rich Hill completely outclass Davis and Hernandez. The Cubs will very easily win Game 2 and Game 3 against an atrocious Arizona offense and very hittable Arizona pitching. Soriano, Jones, Lee, Ramirez, and Floyd will not go a combined 1-for-17 against what Arizona is sending to the mound next.

Go into Game 4 with both Zambrano and Webb pitching on short rest, and, well, pulling Zambrano early starts looking like a genius move.

DumpJerry
10-04-2007, 09:39 AM
Cubs wasted an opportunity last night. In a 3 game series, that HAVE to win tonight, as going down 0-2, they've got to win 3 in a row; which this team didn't do that much of this season.
Yup, a 0-2 hole in a best of 5 is insurmountable. Just ask the 1984 Padres.

Actually, I agree with you. If the Cubs lose tonight, they lose homefield advantage and they are still playing like they did last week when they got swept by the Marlins. This isn't June. It is not time for adjustments.

asindc
10-04-2007, 09:47 AM
The Sox should have given them Anderson instead. I'm convinced that trade would have still gone through and this shows how KW is an idiot.

:happybday

This is what I love about internet and sports talk radio general managing. You assume that KW did not offer Anderson or someone similar. Just what is your assumption based upon?

Furthermore, is Cashman an idiot? He traded Vazquez, Brad Halsey, and Dioner Navarro to the Dbacks for Randy Johnson after one year. How did that work out for the Yanks? No need to point out that the Yanks have made the postseason every season since... did this particular trade help them do so?

That one year with the Yanks is very similar to Vazquez's 1st year with the Sox. Ask any Yanks fan if they would like to undue that trade and have Vazquez as their #2 and Halsey as a #5 or middle reliever, with Navarro as a backup to Posada.

AZChiSoxFan
10-04-2007, 09:56 AM
Talk of a Game 5 is premature, as is criticism of yanking Zambrano. The Diamondbacks have some very, very questionable pitching coming up in the next two days. Ted Lilly and Rich Hill completely outclass Davis and Hernandez. The Cubs will very easily win Game 2 and Game 3 against an atrocious Arizona offense and very hittable Arizona pitching. Soriano, Jones, Lee, Ramirez, and Floyd will not go a combined 1-for-17 against what Arizona is sending to the mound next.

Go into Game 4 with both Zambrano and Webb pitching on short rest, and, well, pulling Zambrano early starts looking like a genius move.

Of course, just like the D-backs had no chance to win last night once the scrubs tied it, right HomeFish?

I'll go ahead and call Bob Melvin and tell him to just forfeit the next two games since they have no chance to win.

Regarding Game 4 (if there even is one), as I stated previously, Webb will not be pitching. As far as Z pitching, I say bring it on baby. The recent postseason history of guys going on short rest isn't too good. Plus, Z was much better on the road this year than he was at the urinal. I relish the thought of facing Z on short rest at the urinal.

HomeFish
10-04-2007, 10:02 AM
Of course, just like the D-backs had no chance to win last night once the scrubs tied it, right HomeFish?

I'll go ahead and call Bob Melvin and tell him to just forfeit the next two games since they have no chance to win.

Regarding Game 4 (if there even is one), as I stated previously, Webb will not be pitching. As far as Z pitching, I say bring it on baby. The recent postseason history of guys going on short rest isn't too good. Plus, Z was much better on the road this year than he was at the urinal. I relish the thought of facing Z on short rest at the urinal.

If Game 4 is an elimination game, you don't think Melvin would bring out Webb? The rest of the Arizona rotation is far inferior.

What was possible with Webb on the mound last night is not possible with the upcoming Arizona pitchers on the mound. The Diamondbacks got some lucky runs, but that wouldn't be anywhere close to enough if the Cubs offense turned it on -- and with the low-quality pitching coming up for the Diamondbacks, it's virtually impossible for the Cubs offense to not turn on.

oeo
10-04-2007, 10:08 AM
Shame really, as Zambrano pitched a decent game. Got himself in trouble a few times, but kept them in the game until he was removed.

And the better pitcher pitched the better game. The only inning that they 'got to' Webb, was his own fault because he couldn't find the plate.

AZChiSoxFan
10-04-2007, 10:09 AM
If Game 4 is an elimination game, you don't think Melvin would bring out Webb? The rest of the Arizona rotation is far inferior.

What was possible with Webb on the mound last night is not possible with the upcoming Arizona pitchers on the mound. The Diamondbacks got some lucky runs, but that wouldn't be anywhere close to enough if the Cubs offense turned it on -- and with the low-quality pitching coming up for the Diamondbacks, it's virtually impossible for the Cubs offense to not turn on.


Sure, whatever you say HF. :rolleyes: Like I said, I'll call Bob Melvin and let him know they can just head for the golf course.

WizardsofOzzie
10-04-2007, 10:14 AM
Sure, whatever you say HF. :rolleyes: Like I said, I'll call Bob Melvin and let him know they can just head for the golf course.
I think it's best not to even bother trying to argue with him. As far as he's concerned, the Cubs won the series after the first pitch was thrown.

SBSoxFan
10-04-2007, 10:23 AM
I think it's best not to even bother trying to argue with him. As far as he's concerned, the Cubs won the series after the first pitch was thrown.

I didn't know HomeFish was Program Director for ESPN 1000.

"Your home for playoff baseball, including every pitch of the Cubs' run to the world series." Gee, maybe they should worry about winning a game first before worrying about a run to the world series. :rolleyes:

SBSoxFan
10-04-2007, 10:24 AM
If Game 4 is an elimination game, you don't think Melvin would bring out Webb? The rest of the Arizona rotation is far inferior.

What was possible with Webb on the mound last night is not possible with the upcoming Arizona pitchers on the mound. The Diamondbacks got some lucky runs, but that wouldn't be anywhere close to enough if the Cubs offense turned it on -- and with the low-quality pitching coming up for the Diamondbacks, it's virtually impossible for the Cubs offense to not turn on.

How were their runs lucky? The D'Backs scored 2 of their 3 runs on homers. How is that lucky? On the contrary, the Cubs were lucky they didn't get shut out, scoring their run on 2 walks and an infield hit.

Frontman
10-04-2007, 10:30 AM
And the better pitcher pitched the better game. The only inning that they 'got to' Webb, was his own fault because he couldn't find the plate.

Oh, I didn't mean that Zambrano did better than Webb, far from it. It was just that you want your pitcher to take the mound, hold them to 0-2 runs, and score 3 or more to win. The D-backs did that, the Cubs didn't.

And the damage they did to Webb was self-inflicted by Webb; plus they could of done a LOT more instead of 1 run.

AZChiSoxFan
10-04-2007, 10:31 AM
I think it's best not to even bother trying to argue with him. As far as he's concerned, the Cubs won the series after the first pitch was thrown.

Great point. I'll try to refrain from arguing with HF.

AZChiSoxFan
10-04-2007, 10:33 AM
"Your home for playoff baseball, including every pitch of the Cubs' run to the world series." Gee, maybe they should worry about winning a game first before worrying about a run to the world series. :rolleyes:

Somehow I'm guessing that they weren't using this line in 2005. My guess is it was more along the lines of: "your home for playoff baseball, including every pitch of the Red Sox 3 game sweep of the White Sox."

itsnotrequired
10-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Hilarious stuff on the chicagosports.com graffiti boards.

15. I gave Cub fans a very bad name last night. I still can't believe that I wasn't tackled by security and thrown out of Chase Field. How did I get those seats.
Submitted by: Blinking Light Guy
9:54 AM CDT, Oct 4, 2007

30. THE CUBS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!!
Submitted by: Dennis Green
9:48 AM CDT, Oct 4, 2007

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-071004cubsboard,1,7621939.graffitiboard

kobo
10-04-2007, 10:47 AM
What was possible with Webb on the mound last night is not possible with the upcoming Arizona pitchers on the mound.
After watching 4 White Sox pitchers pitch back to back to back to back complete games in the playoffs, I'd say anything is possible.

The Immigrant
10-04-2007, 10:52 AM
After watching 4 White Sox pitchers pitch back to back to back to back complete games in the playoffs, I'd say anything is possible.

Except for HomeFish being rational.

spiffie
10-04-2007, 10:56 AM
You know what would help this thread? If Homefish had some sort of graph showing us what we can expect to go down in the coming games.

manders_01
10-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Does anyone have the stats on what the record is for teams to have lost the first game of a 5 game series?

The Rockies postgame show touched on this briefly last night...not sure of the time frame or if it's both leagues or just NL:

65% of game 1 winners go one to win the 5-game series
68% of game 1 winners that are the road team go on to win the 5-game series

Sorry I couldn't be more specific. :smile:

Johnny Mostil
10-04-2007, 11:15 AM
with the low-quality pitching coming up for the Diamondbacks, it's virtually impossible for the Cubs offense to not turn on.

Like they did 8/25 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200708250.shtml) against tonight's starter?

Jim Caple (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&id=3048576), in also noting the move might not be properly evaluated until the series is over, raised what might be a better point. The move wasn't about the pitching matchups in the next two games, or due to the "fact" that it is "virtually impossible for the Cubs['] offense not to turn on" in the next two games. It's more likely about the Cubs' "potential No. 4 starter, Jason Marquis . . . pitch[ing] so poorly in September (6.41 ERA) that [Piniella] felt the need to avoid him if at all possible and keep [his] ace fresh to start Sunday instead." Which brings up questions about three-man rotations in three rounds of playoffs that I'm too lazy to research right now . . .

oeo
10-04-2007, 11:21 AM
Like they did 8/25 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ARI/ARI200708250.shtml) against tonight's starter?

Jim Caple (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&id=3048576), in also noting the move might not be properly evaluated until the series is over, raised what might be a better point. The move wasn't about the pitching matchups in the next two games, or due to the "fact" that it is "virtually impossible for the Cubs['] offense not to turn on" in the next two games. It's more likely about the Cubs' "potential No. 4 starter, Jason Marquis . . . pitch[ing] so poorly in September (6.41 ERA) that [Piniella] felt the need to avoid him if at all possible and keep [his] ace fresh to start Sunday instead." Which brings up questions about three-man rotations in three rounds of playoffs that I'm too lazy to research right now . . .

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Like I said before, they don't have the starting pitching depth, and therefore Piniella had to make the move. And now maybe people will realize that they're really not a good team, but a mediocre one at best (and I say at best because I don't think there's a single good team in the NL, and they're the worst one of them all).

thomas35forever
10-04-2007, 12:16 PM
You know what would help this thread? If Homefish had some sort of graph showing us what we can expect to go down in the coming games.
Why, it's quite simple. By knowing that the Cubs had a superb lineup and rotation and based on Webb's sixth inning last night, every Arizona pitcher is going to have a bad inning and eventually, it's going to cost their team. Zambrano could have gone one, maybe two more innings and not have given up any more runs. The offense is going to wake up and Arizona doesn't have nearly the power to counter it. We'll all be watching the Cubbie fans celebrating in their own park on Sunday.

TDog
10-04-2007, 01:06 PM
Talk of a Game 5 is premature, as is criticism of yanking Zambrano. ...

Go into Game 4 with both Zambrano and Webb pitching on short rest, and, well, pulling Zambrano early starts looking like a genius move.

Lou Piniella conceded Game 1. Maybe he knows Bob Melvin will concede Games 2 and 3. Maybe he figured his vaunted pitching staff would be rested if it only needed to pitch eight innings in the opener instead of nine or more. I'm not privy to the mental calculations of his genius.

If the Cubs win the next two games and have Zambrano pitching and winning in Game 4, would Zambrano be well-rested enough to start Game 1 of the NLCS? If you know the Cubs are going to win the next two games because the Cubs staff can easily beat the Diamondbacks and only Webb can beat the Cubs on the Diamondbacks staff, wouldn't you go out to win the opener so there is, as so many people were posting here Wednesday, no way the Diamondbacks could come back and win the series?

Piniella conceded Game 1 in a series that ends with a team getting three wins. And for all the success Zambrano has had this season, he has also proved himself to be a pitcher who can lose. He was the only Cubs pitcher to lose to the White Sox this year at a time their offense was in a supreme funk.

If the Cubs win the next two games Piniella will be lucky to be in position to win with Zambrano, lucky in a way that isn't attributable to the residue of design.

Johnny Mostil
10-04-2007, 01:19 PM
If the Cubs win the next two games and have Zambrano pitching and winning in Game 4, would Zambrano be well-rested enough to start Game 1 of the NLCS? If you know the Cubs are going to win the next two games because the Cubs staff can easily beat the Diamondbacks and only Webb can beat the Cubs on the Diamondbacks staff, wouldn't you go out to win the opener so there is, as so many people were posting here Wednesday, no way the Diamondbacks could come back and win the series?I would have thought so . . .

DSpivack
10-04-2007, 01:35 PM
Ding! Ding! Ding!

Like I said before, they don't have the starting pitching depth, and therefore Piniella had to make the move. And now maybe people will realize that they're really not a good team, but a mediocre one at best (and I say at best because I don't think there's a single good team in the NL, and they're the worst one of them all).

I don't know much about the guy, but when Marmol came in the game, they showed his numbers and I was startled at how good of a season he had; like Politte or Cotts in 2005. Then he proceeded to give up one or two runs. Granted, he's a reliever, but his ERA was a full two runs lower than Zambrano's. Isn't ripping Piniella's move a bit of 20/20 hindsight?