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DeadMoney
10-01-2007, 10:44 PM
Source: Schoeneweis tied to Internet pharmacy in probe

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3045585)

"According to a source in Florida close to the ongoing investigation of Signature, Schoeneweis' name appears on packages that were sent to Comiskey Park while the White Sox were battling to win the AL Central title in 2003. Two more shipments arrived at the stadium in 2004, months before Schoeneweis underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left elbow."

thomas35forever
10-01-2007, 10:48 PM
Just what we need, another reason for the Cubune to bash us while their team is in the playoffs.:mad:

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 10:54 PM
They didn't help him at all.

DeadMoney
10-01-2007, 11:00 PM
Just what we need, another reason for the Cubune to bash us while their team is in the playoffs.:mad:

My only problem is that they were sent to the park (and with such frequency). If they were sent to his home or some PO Box (or ANYWHERE else), I'd have no problem with this story. But, being that they were sent to the park worries me. Not to mention the fact that it certainly drags the 'Chicago White Sox' as an organization through the mud with him.

Here's how often he appears to have received shipments (from the article):
May 23, 2003
June 25, 2003
(those two couldn't have been sent to the park, he was still with the Angels)

And then,
July 30, 2003: Traded by the Angels to the White Sox

September 3, 2003
November 18, 2003
April 15, 2004
June 24, 2004

So am I to assume that September 3, April 15 and June 24 were the shipments he received at the park? This isn't good.

oeo
10-01-2007, 11:07 PM
They didn't help him at all.

No kidding...he should get a refund.

Harry Potter
10-01-2007, 11:07 PM
Quit trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill DM

DeadMoney
10-01-2007, 11:08 PM
Quit trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill DM

Your just lucky your still not banned. And anyway, my opinion of him is, "he sucked, so why does it matter for us (for him, on a personal level it's different though)?"

oeo
10-01-2007, 11:16 PM
Your just lucky your still not banned. And anyway, my opinion of him is, "he sucked, so why does it matter for us (for him, on a personal level it's different though)?"

You're talking like this is going to take the organization down. Why would it? It's not good for Scott Schoenweis, that's it.

DeadMoney
10-01-2007, 11:24 PM
You're talking like this is going to take the organization down. Why would it? It's not good for Scott Schoenweis, that's it.

It wont.

But, it certainly will bring questions that I really don't want to hear. Maybe about the Sox organization knowing, or about other players knowing and we don't need that crap (for a crappy pitcher nonetheless). Like anything with these stories, it will pass (and I'm glad it came out THIS week because of the playoffs) so I'm probably making a little too much out of it, but it will bring about questions about the Sox that I just don't want to hear.

oeo
10-01-2007, 11:31 PM
It wont.

But, it certainly will bring questions that I really don't want to hear. Maybe about the Sox organization knowing, or about other players knowing and we don't need that crap (for a crappy pitcher nonetheless). Like anything with these stories, it will pass (and I'm glad it came out THIS week because of the playoffs) so I'm probably making a little too much out of it, but it will bring about questions about the Sox that I just don't want to hear.

You can ask questions like that to every organization. I doubt Schoenweis was the only Sox player to ever use roids; not even close. Every team had roiders, they were all over the place. The question should be who didn't use steroids, not who did.

And you don't know that the Sox knew about it. The Sox have been publicly against steroids for awhile now, I doubt if they knew he was roiding they would keep letting the shipments roll in.

nccwsfan
10-02-2007, 12:01 AM
I don't think this will have any impact on the White Sox organization whatsoever. At the same time when we look back on this years from now I would be surprised if any team had zero instances of a player (or players) who was known to take PED, including our White Sox.

It's just a sordid era in MLB history.

UserNameBlank
10-02-2007, 12:04 AM
This ALL makes sense now!

Think about it...

Schoenweis gets roids in '03 right? Jerry Manuel's last year, right?

Well, didn't Jerry get ejected more times in 2003 than he ever had in his career previously?

I think it's more than fair to assume the following:

1. Jerry Manuel's ejections were the result of "roid-rage."
2. Neal Cotts started against the Yankees instead of Buehrle because Manuel was having delusional thoughts that are also common with steroids.
3. Kenny Williams found out Jerry's secret and fired him after the season. Yes, Schoenweis stuck around because... umm.... actually I don't know why he stuck around. He must have had some pictures.

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:40 AM
You're talking like this is going to take the organization down. Why would it? It's not good for Scott Schoenweis, that's it.

Not just for the Sox, but when teams are signing for packages from questionable sources you really start to wonder how much they knew and how long they have known it. Canseco made the claim that owners were signing for steroid deliveries for the players. Now whether JR or his ilk actually personally signed or not, if someone in management did, it's an issue. Of course the Sox probably receive dozens of packages a day which require a signature, so it may indeed be innocent, but still, if it doesn't give you the heebie jeebies to read that teams signed for steroid shipments, then you're either unshockable or completely delusional (not you, people in general).

illini81887
10-02-2007, 01:00 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3045585

Nellie_Fox
10-02-2007, 01:04 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3045585

Look around to see if there's already a thread before posting. Merged.

kevin57
10-02-2007, 01:06 AM
The "drip-drip-drip" of revelations of roid use is making wonder of a BIG exposť of player use is in the offing. (We all know about the Mitchell report and the Feds, so it could be the result of one or both.)

There's a part of me that would love to see an earth shattering no-holds barred name the names report when the season's done. I think that's the only way to wake the players and MLB out of this denial.

I did :D: when I saw BORE ASS mentioned in the article.

Frater Perdurabo
10-02-2007, 07:33 AM
I'm withholding judgment until comprehension is complete, which generally is what I've done with most of these steroid accusations. (For me, the big exception has been Sosa, who was empirically PROVEN to be a cheater when he used a corked bat, and Bonds, who is a classless jerk.) Anyway, the ESPN story mentions that Schoeneweis survived a bout with testicular cancer while in college. Testosterone supplements can be prescribed to someone with a hormone deficiency (although the other agent supposedly doesn't have an official indication for the condition, but I guess it's possible that it was prescribed for an "off label" use).

For example, perhaps some of you who prematurely judged former Bears QB coach Wade Wilson should know that Wilson sheepishly admitted to the Dallas media that he took HGH in an effort to fight erectile dysfunction, after other regular treatments (Viagra, Levitra, etc.) failed. He said he stopped taking the HGH after it, too, didn't work.

My only point is that we shouldn't be throwing people under the bus just because there's a report that linked their name to a shipment. Wait until all the facts are in before making a judgment.

Fenway
10-02-2007, 10:01 AM
In NY it is let's really kick the Mets while they down

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10022007/img/back100207.jpg

ANOTHER STAIN IN FLUSHING (http://www.nypost.com/seven/10022007/sports/mets/another_stain_in_flushing.htm)


It was bad enough that they were lousy pitchers. But Mota had the steroid rap on his baseball yellow sheet. And now it turns out that Schoeneweis may have wandered down that path, too. Bad enough that the Mets were overpopulated with chokers this year. Now it seems they may have been lousy with cheaters, too.

Lip Man 1
10-02-2007, 01:17 PM
I'll reserve judgement until I know more about if this is connected with his cancer treatments/ remission.

Lip

JB98
10-02-2007, 03:55 PM
I don't know why anyone would think this is a black eye for the Sox organization. Players get all kinds of mail at the ballpark. Should the club be expected to comb through all of it? Certainly not.

Who gives a **** about Schoeneweis anyway? His contributions to the Sox organization couldn't be airbrushed on the head of a pin. He was a crappy pitcher on a couple of mediocre White Sox teams.

Gavin
10-02-2007, 04:28 PM
That explains the double in FLA.

The Immigrant
10-02-2007, 04:35 PM
Players get all kinds of mail at the ballpark. Should the club be expected to comb through all of it? Certainly not.

You mean Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't personally sign for and inspect every package delivered to 333 W. 35th St.?

Dick Allen
10-02-2007, 07:34 PM
I'll reserve judgement until I know more about if this is connected with his cancer treatments/ remission.

LipDon't you mean another Scott, Radinsky?

Lip Man 1
10-02-2007, 07:46 PM
Dick:

No Schoenweis had testicular cancer as well. This may have been part of the treatment...I don't know. That's why I'm witholding judgement.

Lip

tacosalbarojas
10-02-2007, 08:57 PM
Schoeneweis says today he's never heard of the company. He sounded better sticking to silence on the topic.

Dick Allen
10-03-2007, 09:23 AM
Dick:

No Schoenweis had testicular cancer as well. This may have been part of the treatment...I don't know. That's why I'm witholding judgement.

LipOK, sorry, didn't know that.

russ99
10-03-2007, 11:47 AM
You mean Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't personally sign for and inspect every package delivered to 333 W. 35th St.?

Exactly. Just because of one player stupidly shipping enhancers to the park means the club has to open all the players' mail?

Also, If Schoeneweis was stupid enough to send that kind of thing directly to the park instead of a less conspicuous address or box, he deserves what he gets.