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chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 12:47 PM
This isn't who you are rooting for.

Who do you think is gonna win the NL best second place team contest today?

Remember, Jake Peavy going for the Padres. :fogg -> for the Rockies.

Mr.1Dog
10-01-2007, 12:49 PM
I'll take the ROckies today.

skottyj242
10-01-2007, 01:30 PM
I'll take Peavy and the Padres but how can you go against the Rockies in Roctober?

Go Padres.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 01:33 PM
I'll take Peavy and the Padres but how can you go against the Rockies in Roctober?

Go Padres.

Kind of like Soxtober...

I'd like to see the Rockies win and shock baseball. I would pull for them to go all the way...just because I think it would be funny. But I think Padres will man up and win tonight. We'll see...

thedudeabides
10-01-2007, 01:59 PM
Is this game televised?

Foulke You
10-01-2007, 02:03 PM
The Padres lineup is so depleted right now and the Rockies are red hot and have all the momentum. Coors is going to be rocking today with all of their fans. I think if the Rockies keep the game close with Peavy, they'll get to that Padres bullpen late in the game and pull it out. My pick: Rockies. A couple weeks ago with Bradley and Cameron in the Pads lineup, I'd have taken the Padres but Josh Bard as your #5 hitter just ain't gonna cut it.

In any case, I don't think either of these teams are going to be able to knock off Philly regardless. The Phillies are just better in all aspects in my opinion. The Padres only hope of escaping round 1 was Peavy pitching in 2 games and that is now out the window. As far as the Rockies, I just don't trust the their pitching staff in October to go very deep.

Mr.1Dog
10-01-2007, 02:04 PM
Is this game televised?

Yeah. It's on TBS or TNT around 6:30 I think

thedudeabides
10-01-2007, 02:07 PM
Yeah. It's on TBS or TNT around 6:30 I think

Thanks

102605
10-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Go Padres

oeo
10-01-2007, 02:49 PM
Josh Fogg is the best they've got? :?:

Unfortunately, in that case, I think the Padres are going to win. The Rockies are an exciting team to watch, though...Phillies-Rockies would be a great series.

Fenway
10-01-2007, 02:55 PM
Josh Fogg is the best they've got? :?:

Unfortunately, in that case, I think the Padres are going to win. The Rockies are an exciting team to watch, though...Phillies-Rockies would be a great series.

The pride of Lynn, Massachusetts

IF the Rockies can get 5 innings out of him they have a chance
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DeadMoney
10-01-2007, 03:44 PM
Since everything on paper says Padres (including the "Peavy vs. Fogg"), I take the...Rockies to complete the unbelievable.

Never thought I'd be able to use this one:
:fogg
"Peavy who?"

PKalltheway
10-01-2007, 05:19 PM
I'm going with the Rockies. They've got a lot of momentum right now. If I'm not mistaken, they've won 13 out of their last 14 to get to this point, including a sweep of San Diego just over a week ago.

downstairs
10-01-2007, 05:26 PM
I'll take Peavy and the Padres but how can you go against the Rockies in Roctober?

Go Padres.

What the heck is Roctober? They could end up 0-1 in October!?! What's their overall record in "Roctober" anyway?

Maybe "Roctember" if you want... :cool:

getonbckthr
10-01-2007, 05:43 PM
Colorado will win the NL. They remind me of the 03 Marlins.

Oblong
10-01-2007, 05:55 PM
Padres 6
Rockies 1

RockyMtnSoxFan
10-01-2007, 06:16 PM
Josh Fogg is the best they've got? :?:

Unfortunately, in that case, I think the Padres are going to win. The Rockies are an exciting team to watch, though...Phillies-Rockies would be a great series.

Fogg is not the best Rockies starter, but he's the one who's had 4 days' rest. The other option would be rookie Franklin Morales on 3 days' rest, and though he's very good (a recent streak of 20 scoreless innings), he's still young and perhaps not ready for the pressure.

I've become a Rockies fan this year (still a Sox fan first, though). It's been great to watch, because I thought they had a great team back in April. Hopefully they can pull this one out.

fusillirob1983
10-01-2007, 06:57 PM
It'd be interesting to see the Rockies in the playoffs but it's tough to bet against Peavy when the Rockies have Fogg pitching.

JB98
10-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Josh Fogg?

I have to go with the Padres.

DaveIsHere
10-01-2007, 07:29 PM
This sucks, there is no Comcast HD channel for TBS!!!!!!
The whole first round minus HD.....***?????:angry:

JDub35
10-01-2007, 08:00 PM
Anyone know how they selected the location for this game? Thanks!

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 08:02 PM
Anyone know how they selected the location for this game? Thanks!

Coin toss.

illini81887
10-01-2007, 08:12 PM
3-0 rockies!

JB98
10-01-2007, 08:24 PM
3-0 rockies!

Josh Fogg blew it.

itsnotrequired
10-01-2007, 08:24 PM
3-0 rockies!

4-3, Padres on a Gonzales grand slam. And Greene just singled. Only one out.

getonbckthr
10-01-2007, 08:24 PM
****

hi im skot
10-01-2007, 08:24 PM
So much for that.

Jjav829
10-01-2007, 08:25 PM
Adrian Gonzalez! :bandance:

And Khalil Greene follows with a single.

Fenway
10-01-2007, 08:25 PM
This sucks, there is no Comcast HD channel for TBS!!!!!!
The whole first round minus HD.....***?????:angry:

Comcast has HD running in the Boston market

Josh Fogg blew it.

That maybe a killer for the Rockies

BTW how do you like the Boston play by play announcer ( Orsillo )

itsnotrequired
10-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Comcast has HD running in the Boston market

Word on the street is that it will be here on Wednesday.

MarySwiss
10-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Feh! I'm watching Law and Order reruns. Whoever wins this goes down against Philly anyway.

But isn't it nice that, since it's TBS, we get the king of ugly sports coats again? :D:

Viva Medias B's
10-01-2007, 08:34 PM
Word on the street is that it will be here on Wednesday.

Gee, I wonder why.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 08:35 PM
So wait, do the stats today count for players regular season totals?

thedudeabides
10-01-2007, 08:40 PM
Comcast has HD running in the Boston market



That maybe a killer for the Rockies

BTW how do you like the Boston play by play announcer ( Orsillo )

These two have no chemistry. This is an incredibly boring broadcast, and it's 5-4 after 3. There was absolutely no excitement in those last two home run calls.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 08:42 PM
These two have no chemistry. This is an incredibly boring broadcast, and it's 5-4 after 3. There was absolutely no excitement in those last two home run calls.

There's that, and TBS is doing a really ****ty telecast too. There's no reaction shots from the dugouts, very little fan fare shots.

itsnotrequired
10-01-2007, 08:55 PM
So wait, do the stats today count for players regular season totals?

Yes.

palehozenychicty
10-01-2007, 09:31 PM
Big strike out for Speier in the 6th. 5-5 tie in Denver.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Brady Clark must really feel like an ass right now.

Jjav829
10-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Brady Clark is having an awful inning in center. Mike Cameron, where are you? If he was out there and healthy, this inning is long over.

It's Time
10-01-2007, 09:40 PM
6-5 Rockies, bottom of the 6th! The Padres need to win or they will have to deal with the word choke all off season.

Go Rockies!

cburns
10-01-2007, 09:46 PM
I agree with whomever said that the announcers are crappy and boring. With all the action that has happened in this game, you'd think they were calling a 0-0 tie. Is that a LaTroy Hawkins sighting?

palehozenychicty
10-01-2007, 09:54 PM
I agree with whomever said that the announcers are crappy and boring. With all the action that has happened in this game, you'd think they were calling a 0-0 tie. Is that a LaTroy Hawkins sighting?

It is, and it's crazy to say, but I'd rather have him coming out of our pen than Bukvich/MacDoodie. Well, there's next year...

champagne030
10-01-2007, 10:03 PM
I'd say that was a goner, but without HD it's hard to tell. It's like watching the Sox on the ****ing PU.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 10:03 PM
I'd say that was a goner, but without HD it's hard to tell. It's like watching the Sox on the ****ing PU.

It was not a home run. You could tell without the HD.

champagne030
10-01-2007, 10:06 PM
It was not a home run. You could tell without the HD.

It sure as **** didn't hit the padding. Maybe the padding was sagging below the railing, but no way it shoots back like that hitting the yellow sponge.

ndgt10
10-01-2007, 10:07 PM
I have watched it about 15 times and I'm fairly confident it was a homerun.

TDog
10-01-2007, 10:12 PM
I'm not watching the game,but judging from the score I just saw, I'm sure both of these teams would rather be playing the Reds for their ticket to the postseason.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 10:13 PM
I'm not watching the game,but judging from the score I just saw, I'm sure both of these teams would rather be playing the Reds for their ticket to the postseason.

The Cubs wish they could play them in the NLDS.:redneck

Jjav829
10-01-2007, 10:18 PM
Matt Holliday just Brady Clark'ed that one. Tie game.

palehozenychicty
10-01-2007, 10:19 PM
Tie game. The Rockies had their chances to pad onto the lead, but didn't come through. We will have a battle of attrition now. The postseason is here!:D:

champagne030
10-01-2007, 10:20 PM
Matt Holliday just Brady Clark'ed that one. Tie game.

He botched it, but no way, no how, do I let Giles beat me in that situation.

IlliniSox4Life
10-01-2007, 10:26 PM
Did I just see that scroll a few minutes ago across the bottom of the screen right?

Frank Thomas is doing the TBS pregame show on Tuesday?

Bucky F. Dent
10-01-2007, 10:28 PM
Holliday just put his condo in denver on the market.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-01-2007, 10:31 PM
Did I just see that scroll a few minutes ago across the bottom of the screen right?

Frank Thomas is doing the TBS pregame show on Tuesday?

They (what's-his-name and Cal Ripken) just said that Frank would be joining them at the desk in Atlanta on Wednesday.

IlliniSox4Life
10-01-2007, 10:34 PM
They (what's-his-name and Cal Ripken) just said that Frank would be joining them at the desk in Atlanta on Wednesday.

I've already got it DVRd. I can't wait to see what the big man says. It seems very unFranklike.

pmck003
10-01-2007, 10:34 PM
Just got my rockies playoff tickets, now its either gonna be awesome or I gotta go all the way down there to get my money back. Plenty of tix left if your reading from Colorado - got mine in the pavillion; 30 bucks for this sunday and sixty for a week from sunday. was able to get four together

thomas35forever
10-01-2007, 10:36 PM
Just got my rockies playoff tickets, now its either gonna be awesome or I gotta go all the way down there to get my money back. Plenty of tix left if your reading from Colorado - got mine in the pavillion; 30 bucks for this sunday and sixty for a week from sunday. was able to get four together
Can you please buy Dbacks tickets too so Chase won't be filled with Flubs fans?:praying:

It's Time
10-01-2007, 10:38 PM
How fitting would it be for a Helton walkoff?

thomas35forever
10-01-2007, 10:39 PM
How fitting would it be for a Helton walkoff?
Not a match, the board goes back.

It's Time
10-01-2007, 10:41 PM
Never thought I'd be nervous watching a Rockies vs. Padres game, but damn this is great theatre.:cool:

SoxandtheCityTee
10-01-2007, 10:49 PM
Booze ads, I get. Car ads, I get. Sonic ads, I get. But a gazillion E-Harmony commercials during the playoffs?

thomas35forever
10-01-2007, 10:50 PM
Booze ads, I get. Car ads, I get. Sonic ads, I get. But a gazillion E-Harmony commercials during the playoffs?
Technically, it's not the playoffs yet.

pmck003
10-01-2007, 10:53 PM
Can you please buy Dbacks tickets too so Chase won't be filled with Flubs fans?:praying:

If it came to it, I'd have to bring one cub fan to the NLCS. But I might have to charge him street value for his ticket, maybe enough so he can buy his girlfriend a rox hat.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-01-2007, 10:54 PM
Technically, it's not the playoffs yet.

True that. It just struck me as odd, and these annoucers are boring me to death.

It's Time
10-01-2007, 11:15 PM
Both teams are burning through their bullpen, which will hamper them in game 1. This is not exactly the ideal way you want to go into the playoffs.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 11:28 PM
Have you guys noticed the guy sitting behind the plate holding his dog?

:rolling:

chisoxfanatic
10-01-2007, 11:31 PM
Both teams are burning through their bullpen, which will hamper them in game 1. This is not exactly the ideal way you want to go into the playoffs.
I'm surprised they didn't accommodate the winner of this game by pushing their series to start Thursday.

thomas35forever
10-01-2007, 11:43 PM
A guy in the crowd wearing a Wrigley Field sweatshirt? I question his allegiances.

manders_01
10-01-2007, 11:44 PM
This is the most amazing game I've ever been to!

Let's go ROX!!!

thomas35forever
10-01-2007, 11:45 PM
This is the most amazing game I've ever been to!

Let's go ROX!!!
Where are you typing from?:?:

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 11:48 PM
Where are you typing from?:?:

They have internet on cell phones now.:D:

It's Time
10-01-2007, 11:55 PM
The dreaded leadoff walk.

ilsox7
10-01-2007, 11:56 PM
The dreaded leadoff walk.

The dreaded two-run home run in the top of the 13th of a playoff game.

Jjav829
10-01-2007, 11:56 PM
Scott Hairston! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

FJA
10-01-2007, 11:56 PM
And that's what happens when your playoff hopes rest on the shoulders of one Jorge Julio.

It's Time
10-01-2007, 11:56 PM
2 run dong by Hairston. 8-6 Pads.

JGarlandrules20
10-01-2007, 11:57 PM
Why would they put in Jorge Julio??? The Rockies have to have better options than him.

chisoxmike
10-01-2007, 11:57 PM
What the **** are they talking about? Hairston's HR went over the ****ing fence!

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Why would they put in Jorge Julio??? The Rockies have to have better options than him.

Well, it was the 9th pitcher they've used tonight.

manders_01
10-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Alright, so I thought my post would help...regardless, Rockies need to get this goin!

Jjav829
10-02-2007, 12:02 AM
Why would they put in Jorge Julio??? The Rockies have to have better options than him.

They don't. They've already used 8 relievers. And that's basically the difference in the game right now. While Peavy certainly wasn't his usual dominating self, he still went deep enough in the game to not overtax the Pads bullpen. Bud Black has a stable of quality relievers he can turn to and they've come through thus far.

TDog
10-02-2007, 12:02 AM
Why would they put in Jorge Julio??? The Rockies have to have better options than him.

Julio is the Rockies' ninth pitcher. Their last reliever pitched three innings. Apparently Fogg only went four innings.

Frankly, I expected Blum to hit the home run in extra innings. But the game isn't over yet.

jfinsocal
10-02-2007, 12:06 AM
It's Trevor Time. Hopefully he can make up for Saturday against TG Jr.

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:07 AM
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_466918.jpg
"Matt, if you find a good moving company, call me".

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_407812.jpg
"I'm on it, Jorge".

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:07 AM
They have 20 or so pitchers on their playoff roster. Even leaving the starters aside, I can't believe there wasn't a better option than Jorge Julio.

No one has 20 or so pitchers on a playoff roster. But this game doesn't use playoff rosters (to my knowledge). Regardless, when you're using the 9th pitcher in a game, they aren ot going to be good.

FJA
10-02-2007, 12:08 AM
No one has 20 or so pitchers on a playoff roster. But this game doesn't use playoff rosters (to my knowledge). Regardless, when you're using the 9th pitcher in a game, they aren ot going to be good.

Yeah - quick response, you caught me before I deleted.:redface:

102605
10-02-2007, 12:11 AM
Go Padres!

102605
10-02-2007, 12:13 AM
****!

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:14 AM
I love me some October baseball.

hi im skot
10-02-2007, 12:14 AM
Wow!

JGarlandrules20
10-02-2007, 12:14 AM
Matt Holiday is beyond amazing.

Hendu
10-02-2007, 12:14 AM
Holy crap! This game is a classic.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:14 AM
This game is never going to end, is it?

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:14 AM
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Tie game!

102605
10-02-2007, 12:15 AM
I can't believe it. The Padres lineup was toast anyways with injuries and I don't think they could have beaten Philly, Chicago or Arizona.

hi im skot
10-02-2007, 12:15 AM
I didn't know Brad Lidge came over in that Jason Lane deal.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:15 AM
Come ON Rockies, I have school tomorrow.

I didn't know that Todd Helton batted .372 in 2000. Just a random Rockies fact.

rookie
10-02-2007, 12:16 AM
This game is unbelievable. Those fans in Colorado are definitely getting their money's worth for their tiebreaker tickets!

TDog
10-02-2007, 12:16 AM
Scott Hairston was only 3 when Tito Landrum ended his father's 1083 season. He was probably too young to be at the game, and even if he was, he wouldn't remember it. But I'm sure his father was reminded of Toto Landrum tonight. And I'm sure his father is proud.

Too bad the Sox didn't come back against Baltimore 24 years ago.

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:16 AM
And of all people to cough it up, Trevor Hoffman. These Rockies have the mojo for sure.

Patrick134
10-02-2007, 12:16 AM
It's a shame one of these good teams has to miss the postseason while the Scrubs play on.

TDog
10-02-2007, 12:17 AM
And of all people to cough it up, Trevor Hoffman. These Rockies have the mojo for sure.

The Padres had to have a better option than Hoffman.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:18 AM
Holy crap. First pitch. FINALLY. What was it, Gameday's delayed?

kobo
10-02-2007, 12:18 AM
What an incredible 13th inning.

oeo
10-02-2007, 12:18 AM
What a game! Go Rox!

And Michael Barret is still a little *****.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:19 AM
What. A. Game. Wow.

Now I can sleep, yay.

JGarlandrules20
10-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Why would he go head first there?

102605
10-02-2007, 12:20 AM
DAMMIT! He did NOT get the plate!

Hendu
10-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Looks like he didn't touch the plate.

Dibbs
10-02-2007, 12:20 AM
He never touched home plate. What a horrible way to end a great game.

chisoxmike
10-02-2007, 12:20 AM
Never touched the plate.

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:20 AM
OMG! Holliday was out at home:o:

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:21 AM
You have got to be freaking kidding me.

Jjav829
10-02-2007, 12:21 AM
Wow, ain't that a *****. The all time leader in saves can't close out either of two chances to advance the Padres to the postseason. Damn shame.

Congrats to the Rockies. They had a brilliant final two and a half weeks. Even if they don't move on, it's nice that, as evidenced around here, a lot of people seem to have remembered that the Colorado Rockies are indeed a major league baseball franchise.

If the rest of the playoffs are like this, it's going to be very fun.

I guess I'll take my Khalil Greene jersey off now. :(:

102605
10-02-2007, 12:21 AM
what a bull**** way to end a teams season.:angry::angry:

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:21 AM
Heck of a game.

Heck of an ending.

Heck of a season all around for MLB.

Still not sure he actually touched the plate, but it had to end sometime...

CHISOXFAN13
10-02-2007, 12:22 AM
It's a shame one of these good teams has to miss the postseason while the Scrubs play on.

The Padres blew two chances in the last three days with arguably the game's greatest closer in the game.

To hell with the Padres. They suck right now andyway. At least Colorado has half a chance to beat the Cubs if it gets to that point.

TDog
10-02-2007, 12:22 AM
What a game! Go Rox!

And Michael Barret is still a little *****.


You've got to feel sorry for a guy who gets traded to a much better team that misses the postseason in a playoff game when his former inferior team is still alive -- unless that guy is Barrett.

rookie
10-02-2007, 12:22 AM
Maybe his fingernail grazed the plate. Wow, even more unbelievable.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:23 AM
Wait, what exactly happened with Holliday and the plate? Gameday is not all-knowing. In the least.

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:23 AM
You have got to be freaking kidding me.

Poetic justice? I mean the Rockies were robbed of a run earlier in the game when the homer that bounced off a wheel chair was called a double off the line...

cburns
10-02-2007, 12:23 AM
That was probably the one crappy postgame interview with Jamey Carroll, gotta love the crack TBS crew.

hi im skot
10-02-2007, 12:24 AM
:hawk
"Everything is self-induced, Feisty"

Even if he didn't touch the plate, Hoffman **** the bed.

Great game.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:24 AM
Poetic justice? I mean the Rockies were robbed of a run earlier in the game when the homer that bounced off a wheel chair was called a double off the line...

Hehe. A homer bounced off a wheel chair? I'm sorry, that makes me giggle. Anyway, I was rooting for the Rockies, just everyone was saying that Holliday didn't touch the plate. Combined with lack of sleep. So, yay Rockies :D:

SoxSpeed22
10-02-2007, 12:25 AM
I'm just happy to see Helton in the playoffs. :supernana:
Some start to the postseason this is, enjoy the fireworks!

Oh, and...
Suck it, Barrett!

Hendu
10-02-2007, 12:26 AM
Wait, what exactly happened with Holliday and the plate? Gameday is not all-knowing. In the least.

Slid head-first. Barret blocked the plate, and looked like Holliday's hand went into Barret's foot, missing the plate. Ball squirted away from Barret, and the ump made a late safe sign just as Barret retrieves the ball and goes to tag out the runner. Meanwhile, Holliday was shaken up the play, as his face skidded in the dirt.

WhiteSox5187
10-02-2007, 12:26 AM
What a GREAT game! THAT is why I love this game! You can't run the clock out! Holliday never touched the plate, and I don't know why it took the ump (I think it was McClellan) to give the safe or out sign...he hesistated. He wasn't sure of that call. Either way, a great game!

102605
10-02-2007, 12:26 AM
Oh well. I wanted to Padres to win because I live here and this city has never sniffed any type of championship but they didn't have much of a team left anyways.

Should be a good post-season.

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:26 AM
Wait, what exactly happened with Holliday and the plate? Gameday is not all-knowing. In the least.

Replays seem to show the catcher successfully blocked the plate after a flyball to right and throw home.

Holliday was lying sprawled in the dirt. The ball was dropped by the catcher who retrieved it and while in the process of going over to tag Holliday, the ump finally signaled safe. Late call which will only fuel the debate, IMO. I think the ump was doing the mental replay thing they teach them to do on close plays to be sure he got it right. Not sure he did, but honestly the dirt was so thick at the collision point, we may never know for sure. I don't think he got the plate, personally.

cwsfannick
10-02-2007, 12:26 AM
Great game even though there were blow calls by the umpires on both sides.

There should be fair amount of runs to be scored between the Phils and Rockies. Should be fun to watch.

kobo
10-02-2007, 12:26 AM
Hehe. A homer bounced off a wheel chair? I'm sorry, that makes me giggle. Anyway, I was rooting for the Rockies, just everyone was saying that Holliday didn't touch the plate. Combined with lack of sleep. So, yay Rockies :D:
From the replays it looks like Barrett did block the plate. Holiday went in head first and it looks like his arm was blocked and he didn't get the plate.

IlliniSox4Life
10-02-2007, 12:27 AM
Even if the Rockies got screwed earlier in the game on a call, it always sucks hard to END the game on a bad call. I am glad it ended though.

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:27 AM
Slid head-first. Barret blocked the plate, and looked like Holliday's hand went into Barret's foot, missing the plate. Ball squirted away from Barret, and the ump made a late safe sign just as Barret retrieves the ball and goes to tag out the runner. Meanwhile, Holliday was shaken up the play, as his face skidded in the dirt.


Mmk, thanks, so I guess it was a really close play.

DachnoPiitu
10-02-2007, 12:27 AM
That was really exciting!

russ99
10-02-2007, 12:27 AM
I feel cheated. The best ballgame not involving the White Sox I've seen in about 10 years ruined by a bad call at the plate on a game-winning play.

Holliday definitely didn't touch the plate. You can see that when Barret's foot (which was off the plate) hit his hand, as his arm jerked back. The only way he could have gotten a hand in was behind Barrett's foot, and I didn't see that.

Still, that's one of those typical judgment calls where if the catcher dropped the ball, he's safe. Kinda like if the throw beats someone to 2B on a steal.

It stinks for the Padres, but even if he was out, I seriously doubt Hoffman could have kept Helton from scoring from third with 2 outs. He didn't have anything tonight. I wonder if all those warm-ups made any difference.

Gotta hand it to the Rocks, an amazing run to get into the playoffs.

Palehose Pete
10-02-2007, 12:27 AM
hoffman did **** the bed, yes sir, he did. rockies win. go phillies.

IlliniSox4Life
10-02-2007, 12:28 AM
What a GREAT game! THAT is why I love this game! You can't run the clock out! Holliday never touched the plate, and I don't know why it took the ump (I think it was McClellan) to give the safe or out sign...he hesistated. He wasn't sure of that call. Either way, a great game!

McClellan was the home plate ump.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:28 AM
What a GREAT game! THAT is why I love this game! You can't run the clock out! Holliday never touched the plate, and I don't know why it took the ump (I think it was McClellan) to give the safe or out sign...he hesistated. He wasn't sure of that call. Either way, a great game!

He could not have given the out sign. Giving the safe sign, on the other hand . . .

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:29 AM
Hehe. A homer bounced off a wheel chair? I'm sorry, that makes me giggle. Anyway, I was rooting for the Rockies, just everyone was saying that Holliday didn't touch the plate. Combined with lack of sleep. So, yay Rockies :D:

I don't have HD, and the shot was a bit blurred on my old analog TV, but yeah, a ball seemed to clear the fence in left and plunk off an empty wheelchair that was sitting there - it's part of the handicapped seating I guess. Ball ricocheted back over the fence so fast and on such a direct line it looked like it hit the top of the wall.

cwsfannick
10-02-2007, 12:29 AM
Well two out of the three teams that train in Tucson made it to the playoffs this year. Too bad all three didn't make it.

QCIASOXFAN
10-02-2007, 12:29 AM
I'm on the Rockies bandwagon!:bandance:

Soxworldchamps
10-02-2007, 12:30 AM
I don't have HD, and the shot was a bit blurred on my old analog TV, but yeah, a ball seemed to clear the fence in left and plunk off an empty wheelchair that was sitting there - it's part of the handicapped seating I guess. Ball ricocheted back over the fence so fast and on such a direct line it looked like it hit the top of the wall.

Ooooooh. Although where would the drama have been if it had been called a homer. Who hit it?

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:30 AM
He could not have given the out sign. Giving the safe sign, on the other hand . . .

He could have after the catcher retrieved the ball and tagged Holliday, but he gave safe before that happened.

pierzynski07
10-02-2007, 12:30 AM
He could not have given the out sign. Giving the safe sign, on the other hand . . .
My guess is that he wanted to see if Barrett had the ball. Since he didn't have it, the safe ruiling.

Palehose Pete
10-02-2007, 12:32 AM
Oh well. I wanted to Padres to win because I live here and this city has never sniffed any type of championship but they didn't have much of a team left anyways.

yeah, that world series in 98 didn't count.

StillMissOzzie
10-02-2007, 12:33 AM
Wait, what exactly happened with Holliday and the plate? Gameday is not all-knowing. In the least.

In case you still haven't seen it:

Halladay on 3rd, batter hits a liner to RF. Giles made a great throw to the plate, and Barrett had the dish pretty well blocked, but did not come up with the ball. Halladay slides in head first, appears to have not touched the plate. Umpire Tim McClellan made NO indication of safe or out at first, and Barrett scrambled around for the ball. He gets the ball and starts crawling towards Halladay to make the tag, and only then does McClellan give the safe sign.
Game over, Rockies score 3 in response to the Padres 2 in the top of the frame to take the WC.

SMO
:gulp:

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:33 AM
He could have after the catcher retrieved the ball and tagged Holliday, but he gave safe before that happened.

Exactly. Generally in that situation, if an umpire sees a runner miss the plate, he will give a verbal signal indicating such. Since it did not appear that he did, he was waiting to see if MB had the ball.

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:34 AM
If this is not a case for instant replay in Baseball, then what is? Two horrible calls in tonights game in a sudden death scenario.

102605
10-02-2007, 12:34 AM
yeah, that world series in 98 didn't count.


The Yankees handed it to them. San Diego has 0 championships. 2nd place means nothing.

thomas35forever
10-02-2007, 12:35 AM
What a game. I've got a feeling that the media is going to blow that last play out of proportion though, although it looks like he might have really been out. Regardless, this has to be the game of the year so far. I'm rooting for whoever comes out of the Rockies-Phillies series in the NLCS.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:35 AM
If this is not a case for instant replay in Baseball, then what is? Two horrible calls in tonights game in a sudden death scenario.

Even if instant replay were part of the game, I'd argue arduously that it could not be used on a play like tonight's game-ending slide.

FJA
10-02-2007, 12:36 AM
He could have after the catcher retrieved the ball and tagged Holliday, but he gave safe before that happened.

Did Barrett even tag Holliday, though? This last time I watched the replay, it almost looked as if McClellan was responding to Barrett's crawling around and not making much of a serious effort to tag him, as if Barrett "knew" he was safe. That's a terrible reason to make a "safe" call, but other than Barrett's actions being the tiebreaker on a close call, I can't figure out any reason why McClellan waited so long even after it was clear Barrett didn't hold onto the ball.

Oh well, I have family in Denver, so I'm happy to see the Rockies in.

hi im skot
10-02-2007, 12:36 AM
Instant replay? No thanks.

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:36 AM
Even if instant replay were part of the game, I'd argue arduously that it could not be used on a play like tonight's game-ending slide.

:?: Do tell why.

SoxSpeed22
10-02-2007, 12:37 AM
Even if instant replay were part of the game, I'd argue arduously that it could not be used on a play like tonight's game-ending slide.Using NFL rules, there was no indisputable evidence for the last play. For the home run, I think there was.

TheOldRoman
10-02-2007, 12:37 AM
GREAT game, but it sucks to end it like that.
From the camera behind homeplate, it almost looked like he tagged home. After his hand hit Barrett's foot, it might have came back down and grazed the plate. However, I think it is pretty clear he didn't touch the plate before he hit the foot.

russ99
10-02-2007, 12:38 AM
If this is not a case for instant replay in Baseball, then what is? Two horrible calls in tonights game in a sudden death scenario.

Agreed, this is a perfect situation. Even if in playoff games only, it would be a good idea. The only problem is the umps union is against any technology that would make them look bad, so the onus isn't solely on Bud.

However, had the Padres taken care of business against a weaker team yesterday, they'd be in. So I'm not too disappointed in them missing the playoffs

Palehose Pete
10-02-2007, 12:38 AM
The Yankees handed it to them. San Diego has 0 championships. 2nd place means nothing.

That may be the case, but a chance to win is a chance to win. The Pads have been competitive for the past few seasons. As a fan of a team that just lost 90 games (as I'm sure you are, too), I'd take a chance over writing the season off before August is over.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:39 AM
:?: Do tell why.

First, there was no clear camera angle showing that the hand did not touch the plate. All you have is a foot in front of the plate, a hand reaching toward the plate, and a bunch of dirt. Second, in tonight's case, you could not actually call the guy out b/c he was never tagged. Now maybe if there was instant replay, MB makes the tag just in case. But what if he doesn't?

Did it look like he was blocked from the plate? Yes. Was it 99% clear? No. Hell, I didn't even see MB argue.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:40 AM
GREAT game, but it sucks to end it like that.
From the camera behind homeplate, it almost looked like he tagged home. After his hand hit Barrett's foot, it might have came back down and grazed the plate. However, I think it is pretty clear he didn't touch the plate before he hit the foot.

Hand hitting foot has no relevance to the play.

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:40 AM
First, there was no clear camera angle showing that the hand did not touch the plate. All you have is a foot in front of the plate, a hand reaching toward the plate, and a bunch of dirt. Second, in tonight's case, you could not actually call the guy out b/c he was never tagged. Now maybe if there was instant replay, MB makes the tag just in case. But what if he doesn't?

Did it look like he was blocked from the plate? Yes. Was it 99% clear? No. Hell, I didn't even see MB argue.


Barrett did tag him, turn on ESPN right now and you'll see him apply the tag after Mclellan called him safe.

soltrain21
10-02-2007, 12:41 AM
:?: Do tell why.


Well, where would the runners be? Situations like that would pop up.

russ99
10-02-2007, 12:41 AM
GREAT game, but it sucks to end it like that.
From the camera behind homeplate, it almost looked like he tagged home. After his hand hit Barrett's foot, it might have came back down and grazed the plate. However, I think it is pretty clear he didn't touch the plate before he hit the foot.

That back angle shot looks really close. I can't tell if he got a hand in or not. The umpire was in the perfect position to see if he got the plate or not, so we should defer to his judgment. The late call definitely adds some doubt.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Barrett did tag him, turn on ESPN right now and you'll see him apply the tag after Mclellan called him safe.

Yes. Now that I have seen the entire play through in slow-motion, MB did eventually tag him. My other points still stand, along with the chance that on a play like that, no tag is ever made.

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Did Barrett even tag Holliday, though? This last time I watched the replay, it almost looked as if McClellan was responding to Barrett's crawling around and not making much of a serious effort to tag him, as if Barrett "knew" he was safe. That's a terrible reason to make a "safe" call, but other than Barrett's actions being the tiebreaker on a close call, I can't figure out any reason why McClellan waited so long even after it was clear Barrett didn't hold onto the ball.

Oh well, I have family in Denver, so I'm happy to see the Rockies in.

No, Barrett immediately attempted to locate the ball and after looking at the ump to see if a call had been made, went toward Holliday to tag him. Barrett completed the tag but the ump had already signaled safe.

TheOldRoman
10-02-2007, 12:43 AM
Hand hitting foot has no relevance to the play.You are misreading my post. I am saying it looks to me like Barrett completely blocked the corner of the plate. I think he hit the foot and never made contact with the plate beforehand. His hand was redirected when he hit the foot. However, I think he might have swiped the plate as he was sliding past it, AFTER he hit the foot.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:45 AM
You are misreading my post. I am saying it looks to me like Barrett completely blocked the corner of the plate. I think he hit the foot and never made contact with the plate beforehand. His hand was redirected when he hit the foot. However, I think he might have swiped the plate as he was sliding past it, AFTER he hit the foot.

Gotchya. I think the bottom line is that it was too damn close to tell if his hand got the plate. Therefore, I'll go with the guy 2 feet from the play AND the lack of reaction by the hot-headed punk catcher.

russ99
10-02-2007, 12:46 AM
You are misreading my post. I am saying it looks to me like Barrett completely blocked the corner of the plate. I think he hit the foot and never made contact with the plate beforehand. His hand was redirected when he hit the foot. However, I think he might have swiped the plate as he was sliding past it, AFTER he hit the foot.

I agree. Looks to me like the ump was the only person not blocked from seeing if Holliday's hand got in. I can't tell from all 3 replay angles.

Still, if he got the hand in, why the late call??

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:46 AM
Lets say the White Sox lose a game like that, do we want replay then? Dont get me wrong, I'm glad the Rockies won. Furthermore, the Padres choked in the final three games of the season, needing only a win to get in.

That said, that is no way to lose a game of that magnitude.

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Lets say the White Sox lose a game like that, do we want replay then? I am glad the Rockies won. Furthermore, the Padres choked in the final three games of the season, need only a win to get in.

That said, that is no way to lose a game of that magnitude.

The only type of replay I would be agreeable to is fair/foul on HRs.

TheOldRoman
10-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Gotchya. I think the bottom line is that it was too damn close to tell if his hand got the plate. Therefore, I'll go with the guy 2 feet from the play AND the lack of reaction by the hot-headed punk catcher.I agree. This was a great game. I was pulling for the Rockies, but I wouldn't have been upset if the Padres won. I can remain level headed because I had no rooting interests. If I were a Padres fan, however, I'm sure I would be furious, even though there was no visual evidence.

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Well, where would the runners be? Situations like that would pop up.

The only time you could use it is on plays like tonight's two. Home run or not a home run (when initial call is not a home run) and safe or out on play at the plate.

I agree the runner situation would be tough to figure, but you could make up rules to fix that. Would the runner on first really have gone further than second in that situation? If he broke for second on the throw home, you give him second. If he was retreating to first, you make him stay there.

I don't like replay as a general rule for baseball either, but a situation like this is a good example of a time to use it. Problem is, would Holliday have reacted differently? Safe and out calls are like down by contact or inadvertent whistle plays in football. Everything stops so it's tough to penalize a guy who stopped playing when the call was made.

FJA
10-02-2007, 12:50 AM
No, Barrett immediately attempted to locate the ball and after looking at the ump to see if a call had been made, went toward Holliday to tag him. Barrett completed the tag but the ump had already signaled safe.

I'm still not sure Barrett made the tag on that crawl and roll move, but it was moot at that point anyway, as the call had already been made. Just a strange sequence of events. Barrett's looking up for a signal before going for the tag and his lack of reaction after the call lead me to believe Barrett thought he was safe.

TheOldRoman
10-02-2007, 12:51 AM
I agree. Looks to me like the ump was the only person not blocked from seeing if Holliday's hand got in. I can't tell from all 3 replay angles.

Still, if he got the hand in, why the late call??After seeing the 3rd base view again, I really doesn't look like Holliday's hand slid back to the left to swipe the plate. His body was about a foot wide of the plate, and, although you can't really see because of the dust, it looks like his left arm stay straight against his body.

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:53 AM
I'm still not sure Barrett made the tag on that crawl and roll move, but it was moot at that point anyway, as the call had already been made. Just a strange sequence of events. Barrett's looking up for a signal before going for the tag and his lack of reaction after the call lead me to believe Barrett thought he was safe.

Well, Barrett dropped the ball. You don't expect to get that call when you drop the ball. In addition, I am sure he was not only stunned from having just gone through the play but also upset with himself for not having held on to the ball in the first place (couldn't happen to a nicer prick). So if he wasn't 100% clearheaded at that moment in time it wouldn't be a huge shock. Games like this are so emotional and then to have it go on and on and on and to get the lead and then lose the lead and then make a play which should have extended it only to have it go the other way... powerful moment in Barrett's life even if it is only a game...

It's Time
10-02-2007, 12:55 AM
The Padres just got:

http://www.regionalinfo-alert.org/Pictures/03-28-05_field_hose_exercise.jpg

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:55 AM
After seeing the 3rd base view again, I really doesn't look like Holliday's hand slid back to the left to swipe the plate. His body was about a foot wide of the plate, and, although you can't really see because of the dust, it looks like his left arm stay straight against his body.

That was my impression too. I thought if Holliday got the plate it would have had to be a fingernail squeezing in on the front part as his hand is connecting with Barrett's foot.

Ah well, at leas we can stop talking about that horrible cheater AJ now...:tongue:

FJA
10-02-2007, 12:56 AM
Well, Barrett dropped the ball. You don't expect to get that call when you drop the ball. In addition, I am sure he was not only stunned from having just gone through the play but also upset with himself for not having held on to the ball in the first place (couldn't happen to a nicer prick). So if he wasn't 100% clearheaded at that moment in time it wouldn't be a huge shock. Games like this are so emotional and then to have it go on and on and on and to get the lead and then lose the lead and then make a play which should have extended it only to have it go the other way... powerful moment in Barrett's life even if it is only a game...

Exactly.:D:

manders_01
10-02-2007, 12:58 AM
That was AWESOME!!!

MUsoxfan
10-02-2007, 01:00 AM
I'm all-aboard on the Rockies bandwagon. It makes me happy to see a guy like Helton finally get to the playoffs

ilsox7
10-02-2007, 01:08 AM
After seeing the 3rd base view again, I really doesn't look like Holliday's hand slid back to the left to swipe the plate. His body was about a foot wide of the plate, and, although you can't really see because of the dust, it looks like his left arm stay straight against his body.

That's how I saw it. I don't think he got the plate. But I also would not overturn it based on the replays I saw.

manders_01
10-02-2007, 01:36 AM
They have internet on cell phones now.:D:

Bingo!

Fenway
10-02-2007, 09:06 AM
I talked to the technical director of last night's game this morning as he will be back in Boston tomorrow.

Orsillo was hampered by a directive from TBS NOT to sound excited on home run calls and working with an analyst he had only met 6 hours before. Don had also never called a game at Coors Field ( when Boston was there in 2004 Sean McDonough did the games )

I'll know more later today but from what he told me TBS is doing this on the CHEAP.

thepaulbowski
10-02-2007, 09:21 AM
Lets say the White Sox lose a game like that, do we want replay then? Dont get me wrong, I'm glad the Rockies won. Furthermore, the Padres choked in the final three games of the season, needing only a win to get in.

That said, that is no way to lose a game of that magnitude.

Even with replay you couldn't tell if he touched the plate or not. It "looks" like he didn't but you can't tell for sure. Replay would have been useless in this situation.

Hoffman blew 2 saves in less than a week and it cost them dearly.

Fenway
10-02-2007, 09:21 AM
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Destiny’s Wild: Rockies rally to win in 13 innings (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/mlb/article/0,2777,DRMN_23924_5712181,00.html)

By Tracy Ringolsby, Rocky Mountain News
October 1, 2007 (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/mlb/article/0,2777,DRMN_23924_5712181,00.html)

Nothing has come easy for the Rockies. No sense starting now.

and we must hear from former Chicago columnist who writes in Denver now but still lives in CLEVELAND

LINCICOME: It couldn't have ended otherwise (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/mlb/article/0,2777,DRMN_23924_5712234,00.html)

Third time’s not the charm as Rockies lose apparent home run (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/mlb/article/0,2777,DRMN_23924_5712240,00.html)

and in San Diego tears

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071002/images/fans280.jpg

The Padres' loss in 13 innings reduced San Diego fans to tears last night at Petco Park's Park at the Park.



Blown season (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071002-9999-7s2padres.html): Trevor Hoffman swallowed hard and answered question after question last night after the Rockies dealt him a blown save that could haunt Hoffman and the Padres for some time. “The finality of it all just comes roaring down pretty quick,” Hoffman said.
Oct. 2 (UNION-TRIBUNE)
Rockies don't crumble; it's Padres who tumble (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20071002-9999-1n2fans.html): They came by bicycle and trolley, in strollers and using wheelchairs, arranging their blankets and beach chairs on the grass to watch the biggest game of the year with a bunch of other true baseball lovers. The idea was to gather at the ball yard, united as Friar fanatics, and somehow – through a collective act of sheer will – pull their beloved Padres into the postseason from 800 miles away.

tebman
10-02-2007, 09:40 AM
Wild game. I stayed up way too late last night watching it, though I'm happy the Rockies won.

That play at the plate was wild too. I don't know, but that's the kind of play you really have to see up close so I've got to go with the plate umpire's call. Have to agree with voodoo about Barrett: couldn't happen to a nicer pointed instrument.

AZChiSoxFan
10-02-2007, 11:12 AM
However, had the Padres taken care of business against a weaker team yesterday, they'd be in. So I'm not too disappointed in them missing the playoffs

Bingo. I wanted the Pads to win and yet I have no problem with the way the game ended. Like any team that has ever lost a game on a bad call, they had plenty of chances to take care of the game on their own. You take a 2 run to the bottom of the 13th and you SHOULD win, even with a blown call. And, if may not have been a blown call (who knows?).

On another note, I was not at all impressed with the TBS crew. I was looking forward to it too, as I can't stand Joe Buck. The most in depth commentary I heard last night was in the top of the 12th, when the analyst said "the Padres really need to get this run in." Yeah, you think? How about coming up with some insight that any of the 2nd graders watching wouldn't have thought of?

kba
10-02-2007, 12:06 PM
Orsillo was hampered by a directive from TBS NOT to sound excited on home run calls.

He certainly succeeded in carrying out that directive. When Gonzalez hit the grand slam, the announcers sounded like they were trying to stifle their yawns. I can understand TBS not wanting them to sound biased, but can't they sound a little bit excited calling a 9-8 13-inning, do-or-die game?

TBS had some nice replays of the final play at the plate, but I was disappointed they didn't have a better shot of the disputed Atkins double. Don't Fox and ESPN usually have cameras in the outfield corners that can get a side-view of balls going over the wall?

voodoochile
10-02-2007, 12:22 PM
He certainly succeeded in carrying out that directive. When Gonzalez hit the grand slam, the announcers sounded like they were trying to stifle their yawns. I can understand TBS not wanting them to sound biased, but can't they sound a little bit excited calling a 9-8 13-inning, do-or-die game?

TBS had some nice replays of the final play at the plate, but I was disappointed they didn't have a better shot of the disputed Atkins double. Don't Fox and ESPN usually have cameras in the outfield corners that can get a side-view of balls going over the wall?

I thought the lady seeming to watch the ball hit the chair, give an "oh my" hand to the mouth reaction then her and the other guy signaling HR were pretty conclusive...

Fenway
10-02-2007, 12:41 PM
He certainly succeeded in carrying out that directive. When Gonzalez hit the grand slam, the announcers sounded like they were trying to stifle their yawns. I can understand TBS not wanting them to sound biased, but can't they sound a little bit excited calling a 9-8 13-inning, do-or-die game?


TBS had some nice replays of the final play at the plate, but I was disappointed they didn't have a better shot of the disputed Atkins double. Don't Fox and ESPN usually have cameras in the outfield corners that can get a side-view of balls going over the wall?

I thought the lady seeming to watch the ball hit the chair, give an "oh my" hand to the mouth reaction then her and the other guy signaling HR were pretty conclusive...

Orsillo spent Saturday night at NESN prepping for a Phillies-Mets playoff game and didn't know he was going to Denver until 6 PM Sunday afternoon.

Plus he was working with someone other than Jerry Remy for the first time since 2001. Simpson appears to come from the Ed Farmer Broadcasting School and I'm sure Don had no idea what he was going to say.

They were supposed to work watching tapes on Monday or Tuesday in either New York or Philly to get used to each other but never had the chance.

Watching in HD it was obvious the ball hit the yellow line and in fact you saw that lady later touching where the ball had hit.

johnr1note
10-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Can I ask a purportedly inane question?

Why were the Rockies wearing road jerseys for a home game?

They have the same jersey in the home version that says "Rockies" on it, but they wore the one that says "Colorado."

Doesn't that seem strange?

ode to veeck
10-02-2007, 01:09 PM
Getting ready to head back downtown and then to O'Hare after lunch to head back home to NorCal tonight after watching the whole one game playoff on TV at Wendy's parents last night.

What a game! Thinking about it again this morning, if the ump had made the correct call (that Holliday missed the plate and was belatedly tagged out), this game could still be going on (with deep pitching staffs on both sides remaining with Sept roster call-ups), as it woulda been man on 1st or 2nd with two outs at that point.

Hope the rest of the playoffs are close to as exciting, lame TBS and Joe Buck announcers or not.

kba
10-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Can I ask a purportedly inane question?

Why were the Rockies wearing road jerseys for a home game?

They have the same jersey in the home version that says "Rockies" on it, but they wore the one that says "Colorado."

Doesn't that seem strange?

This site (http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?t=58) doesn't list an alternate uniform that says "Rockies." The closest they come is a sleeveless vest that says "CR." The only uniform they have that says "Rockies" is their standard home white pinstripes.

johnr1note
10-02-2007, 02:35 PM
This site (http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?t=58) doesn't list an alternate uniform that says "Rockies." The closest they come is a sleeveless vest that says "CR." The only uniform they have that says "Rockies" is their standard home white pinstripes.

I'm still a little dumbounded about that. The Hall of Fame site doesn't even have "alternate" uniforms. I presume a road jersey, or at least an alternate jersey that could be used as a road jersey, is one that identifies your team by city, and is grey, or an alternate color (anything but white). It still seems strange to wear a uniform that has your city identification (or in this case, a state identification) on a home jersey. Even when the Sox where their alternate jerseys, home or road, it still says "SOX," not "CHICAGO."

This is really not a big deal -- it just struck me as odd.

palehozenychicty
10-02-2007, 03:09 PM
I'm still a little dumbounded about that. The Hall of Fame site doesn't even have "alternate" uniforms. I presume a road jersey, or at least an alternate jersey that could be used as a road jersey, is one that identifies your team by city, and is grey, or an alternate color (anything but white). It still seems strange to wear a uniform that has your city identification (or in this case, a state identification) on a home jersey. Even when the Sox where their alternate jerseys, home or road, it still says "SOX," not "CHICAGO."

This is really not a big deal -- it just struck me as odd.


Don't you know baseball is only played east of the Hudson River? The people on the seaboard didn't know that Denver had a baseball team, so they used the road uniforms for identification.

kba
10-02-2007, 03:29 PM
It still seems strange to wear a uniform that has your city identification (or in this case, a state identification) on a home jersey. Even when the Sox where their alternate jerseys, home or road, it still says "SOX," not "CHICAGO."

During the Veeck years in the 70's, the Sox home unis said "Chicago." And of course, the Yankees and Tigers wear an "NY" and a "D" on their home whites. So it's not unheard of for teams to wear their city (or its initials) on their uniforms at home.

(Of course, the Yankees and Tigers have doing it that way for 100 years, and the Veeck uniform was based on a turn-of-the-last-century design. Why the Rockies decided to go with the city name on a modern purple-and-black alternate, I have no idea.)

PKalltheway
10-02-2007, 03:39 PM
Orsillo was hampered by a directive from TBS NOT to sound excited on home run calls
:?:Why?

johnr1note
10-02-2007, 03:59 PM
During the Veeck years in the 70's, the Sox home unis said "Chicago." And of course, the Yankees and Tigers wear an "NY" and a "D" on their home whites. So it's not unheard of for teams to wear their city (or its initials) on their uniforms at home.

(Of course, the Yankees and Tigers have doing it that way for 100 years, and the Veeck uniform was based on a turn-of-the-last-century design. Why the Rockies decided to go with the city name on a modern purple-and-black alternate, I have no idea.)

I don't mean to continue to hijack this thread, but this is an interesting discussion.

I know what you mean about the uniforms you mention -- but other factors also play in --

1. The Old English "D" on the Tigers home jersey and the interlocking "NY" on the Yankees home jersey are more than just identifiers of the city those teams play in -- they are actually logos that are identified exclusively with that ball club, whereas the usual rode uniform is simply the block or script letters of the name of the city in the font style of the uniform or logo. Indeed, that's what the Yankees and Tigers do with their road jerseys. The example of the Veeck era White Sox jersey is different -- but, as you say, there is a connection or copy of turn of the century practice, PLUS the team name was on the hat -- so that there is always a home-team nickname identity no matter what jersey is worn, which is not true of most teams.

2. Even with the three examples you cite, those home jerseys were/all still WHITE. Tradition says white jersey home, gray on the road. Tradition also says you usually have team nickname or logo on jersey at home, city name on the road. Obvious exceptions to this second tradition have been cities with long names (the Phillies traditionally don't put "PHILADELPHIA" across thier gray road jerseys), or teams that simply like their logo on the road unis (the A's and Giants have occasionally done this). So, when Colorado has both its city name and a dark, non-white jersey on, it just looks and feels like a road jersey.

3. Alternate jerseys, of course, is what seems to mess this up. But most teams either use their home jersey as an alternate model (e.g. White Sox, Mets, even the Cubs), or use an alternate logo (e.g. the Pirates use the "Pirate head," the Nationals use the interlocked "DC," the Marlins use the F in front of the fish (like their cap logo). etc).

I see one of the alternates the Rockies use is the darker uniform with the "CR" cap logo they use.

Again, it just seems so odd to me. I wonder if they'll keep doing that throughout the playoffs.

Fenway
10-02-2007, 04:08 PM
:?:Why?

TBS doesn't want to be accused of sounding like they are cheering for one team over another.

I could tell Don was also having trouble judging if a ball would go out. If you don't know that ballpark you have to be careful.

He should be a lot better in Philadelphia where Boston plays often.

AZChiSoxFan
10-02-2007, 04:44 PM
The people on the seaboard didn't know that Denver had a baseball team, so they used the road uniforms for identification.

Why is that in teal???

AZChiSoxFan
10-02-2007, 04:50 PM
TBS doesn't want to be accused of sounding like they are cheering for one team over another.


Well, they sure succeeded. In fact, they actually sounded like they were calling the action of a person watching paint dry.

As someone who can't stand Joe Buck, I found myself last night actually longing for the days of Buck and McCarver. Heck, ever Berman would have been nice. :o: At least any of those three clowns would have come across as being remotely interested in the game.

Jerko
10-02-2007, 04:57 PM
Well, they sure succeeded. In fact, they actually sounded like they were calling the action of a person watching paint dry.

As someone who can't stand Joe Buck, I found myself last night actually longing for the days of Buck and McCarver. Heck, ever Berman would have been nice. :o: At least any of those three clowns would have come across as being remotely interested in the game.

I think Berman is the reason these guys were told not to sound like homers.

kba
10-02-2007, 04:57 PM
TBS doesn't want to be accused of sounding like they are cheering for one team over another.

Then it seems like the directive should have been to be equally excited for both teams, rather than to not get excited about either team.

I haven't heard much of Orsillo's work with the Red Sox, so maybe he was just struggling with an unfamiliar park, an unfamiliar partner, and an unfamiliar crew. It would have been nice if MLB had found a way for all the TBS crews to get their feet wet before being thrust into high-profile post-season games.