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Fenway
09-28-2007, 09:26 AM
The Mets have a chance to join a very select list

Are the Mets, who have spent 138 days in first place, ready to join the ranks of baseball's legendary chokers? Here are the famous races that have included one team folding: (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_alltime_biggest_baseball_collapses.html)

1969 NL East: The Mets trail the Cubs by nine games on Aug. 16, but Chicago fades and Tom Seaver and Co. win the division by eight games.

The geeks at BP say the worst collapse was the 1995 Angels

1. 1995 California Angels
Peak Playoff Probability: 99.988% after games of August 20th
Odds of Collapse at Peak: 8,332-to-1 against
Record at Peak: 66-41 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=1995-08-20), 9.5 games ahead of the Rangers (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/team_audit.php?team=TEX) and 12.5 Games ahead of the Mariners in the AL West; 12.0 games ahead of the Yankees for the Wild Card
Record after Peak: 12-26

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764

Bruizer
09-28-2007, 10:21 AM
That was the year they ended tied with the Mariners and had to have a one game playoff, which they lost to Randy Johnson on a very close game until late. The Mariners went on to beat the Yankees in that memorial two run walk off hit in the fifth game of a five game series where Griffey Jr. scored from first. It was pretty exciting to be a Mariners fan that year.

Bru :cool:

Fenway
09-28-2007, 10:37 AM
That was the year they ended tied with the Mariners and had to have a one game playoff, which they lost to Randy Johnson on a very close game until late. The Mariners went on to beat the Yankees in that memorial two run walk off hit in the fifth game of a five game series where Griffey Jr. scored from first. It was pretty exciting to be a Mariners fan that year.

Bru :cool:

It saved baseball in Seattle as the Mariners appeared to be going somewhere. That season created enough interest to build Safeco Field.

I was never in the Kingdome but baseball writers say it was the worst of the worst.

SOXPHILE
09-28-2007, 11:36 AM
Wait. The TribCo. and other local media were telling me it was the 2005 White Sox.

Hitmen77
09-28-2007, 11:44 AM
The Mets have a chance to join a very select list

Are the Mets, who have spent 138 days in first place, ready to join the ranks of baseball's legendary chokers? Here are the famous races that have included one team folding: (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_alltime_biggest_baseball_collapses.html)



The geeks at BP say the worst collapse was the 1995 Angels

1. 1995 California Angels
Peak Playoff Probability: 99.988% after games of August 20th
Odds of Collapse at Peak: 8,332-to-1 against
Record at Peak: 66-41 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=1995-08-20), 9.5 games ahead of the Rangers (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/team_audit.php?team=TEX) and 12.5 Games ahead of the Mariners in the AL West; 12.0 games ahead of the Yankees for the Wild Card
Record after Peak: 12-26

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764

But, how much was the Mets' biggest lead this year? Spending 138 days in first place and then losing alone doesn't mean a team has one of the worst collapses. What if a team just clung to a 3 game lead all that time? I wouldn't equate that to someone having a 12 or 15 game lead in August and blowing it.

I didn't see where it said what the Mets largest lead was, but maybe I just missed it.

DSpivack
09-28-2007, 12:35 PM
But, how much was the Mets' biggest lead this year? Spending 138 days in first place and then losing alone doesn't mean a team has one of the worst collapses. What if a team just clung to a 3 game lead all that time? I wouldn't equate that to someone having a 12 or 15 game lead in August and blowing it.

I didn't see where it said what the Mets largest lead was, but maybe I just missed it.

Their biggest lead was 7 games, on September 12 (17 games to go).

Lip Man 1
09-28-2007, 12:45 PM
The biggest collapse in baseball history was the 64 Phillies. Period.

Screw what BP thinks.

Lip

TommyJohn
09-28-2007, 12:49 PM
Wait. The TribCo. and other local media were telling me it was the 2005 White Sox.

Actually, it was 2006. Don't you read Redeye?

Fenway
09-28-2007, 01:24 PM
The biggest collapse in baseball history was the 64 Phillies. Period.

Screw what BP thinks.

Lip

Tickets were all sold and the program designed.

What wasn't known at the time was the Cardinals had decided to fire the manager Johnny Keane at the end of the season. Keane caught wind of the rumors and stewed. Meanwhile in New York the Yankees were in a dogfight with Baltimore and the White Sox and GM Ralph Houk decided he was going to fire Yogi Berra as manager.

Yankees wind up winning the pennant by a game over the White Sox and the Cards wound up winning the World Series.

Then Johnny Keane got his revenge....at a news conference in St Louis to announce he would be back as manager he in effect told Gussie Busch **** you and took the Yankees job.

It was a bad move for Keane as the Yankees fell apart in 1965 and would be doormats for a decade.

http://www.seth.com/images/collection_pages/memorabilia/36_pic1.jpg

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nccwsfan
09-28-2007, 01:27 PM
The biggest collapse in baseball history was the 64 Phillies. Period.

Screw what BP thinks.

Lip


No doubt about it, Lip- that was the king of collapses and even the 07' Mets wouldn't surpass that.

Lip Man 1
09-28-2007, 03:26 PM
Think about it the Phils were SIX UP with what 12 (or 10?) games to go.....

NOTHING will ever top that.

Lip

chisoxmike
09-28-2007, 03:36 PM
:pee http://baseballprospectus.com/images/logo.gif (http://baseballprospectus.com/)

russ99
09-28-2007, 03:44 PM
The biggest collapse in baseball history was the 64 Phillies. Period.

Screw what BP thinks.

Lip

And BP has the gall to rank he '69 Cubs above the Phils monumental collapse? The Cub choke happened in August of '69 and they were beaten directly by the eventual World Series Champs.

Numbskulls.

Fenway
09-28-2007, 04:23 PM
And BP has the gall to rank he '69 Cubs above the Phils monumental collapse? The Cub choke happened in August of '69 and they were beaten directly by the eventual World Series Champs.

Numbskulls.

95 Anaheim was bad, 51 Brooklyn was worse.....but I agree the 64 Phillies are #1

but

If the Mutts blow this completly they may earn the #2 slot

captainclutch24
09-28-2007, 04:40 PM
What if the Yankees catch the Red Sox? 14.5 game lead blown thats got to be something. Now I don't think it will happen. How big was that win 2 saturdays ago for the Red Sox. Had Boston lost to NY then it would be a tie atop the east

Fenway
09-28-2007, 04:45 PM
What if the Yankees catch the Red Sox? 14.5 game lead blown thats got to be something. Now I don't think it will happen. How big was that win 2 saturdays ago for the Red Sox. Had Boston lost to NY then it would be a tie atop the east

Flip it the other way. 2 weeks ago tonight Boston led NYY 7-2 after 7 and it got away from them.

Still it isn't a bad collapse as they still play in October

TDog
09-28-2007, 07:38 PM
...

Then Johnny Keane got his revenge....at a news conference in St Louis to announce he would be back as manager he in effect told Gussie Busch **** you and took the Yankees job.

It was a bad move for Keane as the Yankees fell apart in 1965 and would be doormats for a decade.

...

In Ball Four, which I read, maybe, 35 years ago, Jim Bouton wrote that the Yankees didn't believe in Keane and pretty much refused to play for him. For example, when he put the bunt on, the hitter would say to himself, "he's crazy" before making a half-hearted attempt that failed to get the job done.

Of course, I didn't play for the 1965 Yankees. I'm only as good as my source.

The 1964 Phillies was the biggest collapse of all time, I agree. I don't think any time had so big a lead with so little of the season remaining.

In those days, it wasn't just getting into the postseason. It was getting into the World Series. If the Cubs were to lose three this weekend and and end up finishing behind Milwaukee, the loss would be the Cubs fighting an uphill battle in the NLDS in order to go up against another superior team in the NLCS to get to the World Series. The stakes were higher in 1964.

Fenway
09-29-2007, 12:04 AM
This Mets collapse now rivals the 64 Phillies as they were up 7 with 17 to go and a soft schedule. Now one SD win and the wild card is out. They almost have to win both and hope for a Philly loss but they look like a team that will not win again. What compounds this it appeared the Mets would be playoff bound and the Yankees not. You won't see a Mets hat in Manhattan all winter. Worst ever? No but a close second. I have no use for the Mets but I feel for their fans as it could be a long winter.

FarWestChicago
09-29-2007, 12:09 AM
The biggest collapse in baseball history was the 64 Phillies. Period.

Screw what BP thinks.

LipGotta go with Lip. BP is a way for really stupid nerds, who don't even know what a woman is, to feel superior to all those guys who actually have "done it". :cool:

FarWestChicago
09-29-2007, 12:11 AM
This Mets collapse now rivals the 64 Phillies as they were up 7 with 17 to go and a soft schedule. Now one SD win and the wild card is out. They almost have to win both and hope for a Philly loss but they look like a team that will not win again. What compounds this it appeared the Mets would be playoff bound and the Yankees not. You won't see a Mets hat in Manhattan all winter. Worst ever? No but a close second. I have no use for the Mets but I feel for their fans as it could be a long winter.****e the Mets. They deserve what they got. Where is it written you should be rewarded for being pathetic? :dunno:

Fenway
09-29-2007, 12:16 AM
****e the Mets. They deserve what they got. Where is it written you should be rewarded for being pathetic? :dunno:

1060 W Addison Chicago

whitesoxfan1986
09-29-2007, 03:13 AM
****e the Mets. They deserve what they got. Where is it written you should be rewarded for being pathetic? :dunno:

1060 W Addison Chicago
That is soo true and hilarious at the same time. Nice going Fens. :thumbsup:

TommyJohn
09-29-2007, 05:48 AM
****e the Mets. They deserve what they got. Where is it written you should be rewarded for being pathetic? :dunno:

The Tigers were last year.

TommyJohn
09-29-2007, 05:56 AM
The Mets have a chance to join a very select list

Are the Mets, who have spent 138 days in first place, ready to join the ranks of baseball's legendary chokers? Here are the famous races that have included one team folding: (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_alltime_biggest_baseball_collapses.html)



The geeks at BP say the worst collapse was the 1995 Angels

1. 1995 California Angels
Peak Playoff Probability: 99.988% after games of August 20th
Odds of Collapse at Peak: 8,332-to-1 against
Record at Peak: 66-41 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=1995-08-20), 9.5 games ahead of the Rangers (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/team_audit.php?team=TEX) and 12.5 Games ahead of the Mariners in the AL West; 12.0 games ahead of the Yankees for the Wild Card
Record after Peak: 12-26

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764

Is there absolutely nothing safe from statistical analysis anymore? Sheesh.
I don't want a bunch of nerds ranking collapses based on odds, percentages
and probabilities. The only numbers that matter are games ahead with X
number of games left. That's all you have to look at!! Why must everything
be quantified like this?

hose
09-29-2007, 07:25 AM
The biggest collapse in baseball history was the 64 Phillies. Period.

Screw what BP thinks.

Lip

Correcto mundo

TommyJohn
09-29-2007, 08:04 AM
:ass

DAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Wadda 'bout da 1967 Sahx? All dey needed
ta do was win one of dere final five games to take da pennant an' dey
couldn't do it! Dat was a bad one! Worser dan da 2001 Mariners, who won
116 games an den lost in da first round of da playoffses! An' I oughta know,
'cause I was dere for da '67 Sahx and I member da 2001 Mariners like it
was yesserday! DAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

*sound of dogs whining in pain*

Fenway
09-29-2007, 08:23 AM
:ass

DAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Wadda 'bout da 1967 Sahx? All dey needed
ta do was win one of dere final five games to take da pennant an' dey
couldn't do it! Dat was a bad one! Worser dan da 2001 Mariners, who won
116 games an den lost in da first round of da playoffses! An' I oughta know,
'cause I was dere for da '67 Sahx and I member da 2001 Mariners like it
was yesserday! DAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

*sound of dogs whining in pain*

umm the 67 White Sox would have needed 3 of the last 5 to tie Boston but the dying Kansas City A's in their last ever homestand delivered what would be the fatal blow to the Pale Hose. Washington then finished the job 2 nights later.

Fenway
09-29-2007, 09:58 AM
That is soo true and hilarious at the same time. Nice going Fens. :thumbsup:

I suppose the other answer would have been The Chicago Tribune :tongue:


I've taken a hard look at the 64 Phillies run to ruin...

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1964/VPHI01964.htm (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1964/VPHI01964.htm)

With 2 weeks to go ( 12 games ) they were 6 1/2 up and then came home for a 7 game homestand LOST THEM ALL

So with one week left the lead was 1

Then they went to St Louis and lost 3 more in a row.

Unless the Mets can somehow salvage something in the next 2 days I think everybody here will agree that their collapse would be second of all time to the 64 Phillies.

Honorable mention should go to the 87 Blue Jays who had 3.5 game lead over Detroit with 7 games to go. They would not win another game

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1987/VTOR01987.htm (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1987/VTOR01987.htm)

TornLabrum
09-29-2007, 10:13 AM
umm the 67 White Sox would have needed 3 of the last 5 to tie Boston but the dying Kansas City A's in their last ever homestand delivered what would be the fatal blow to the Pale Hose. Washington then finished the job 2 nights later.

Yes, he knew that. However, Mike North doesn't.

Fenway
09-29-2007, 10:24 AM
Yes, he knew that. However, Mike North doesn't.

In fact that doubleheader in Kansas City were the last home games the A's ever played in Kansas City. KC showed their love for Finley as only 5,325 turned out to say goodbye to the A's who were Oakland bound in 1968.

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1967/B09272KC11967.htm (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1967/B09272KC11967.htm)

I don't listen to sports blab in the morning when I am in Chicago. I tried North for 30 seconds, figured he was a buffoon and moved on....besides Ramsey Lewis on WNUA is such a pleasure to listen to. He has forgotten more about jazz than the rest of us know :smile:

TDog
09-29-2007, 11:00 AM
Yes, he knew that. However, Mike North doesn't.


Therein lies the humor, of course. The White Sox finished in fourth place, three games out, and some some like to say it was a worse collapse than the Cubs up 3-1 against a wild card team in the 2003 NLCS.

Fenway
09-30-2007, 06:01 PM
After what happened today I now have to put the Mets collapse at #1.

The reasons?

First they had a lead with the last 7 at home.

unlike the 64 Phillies they also had a wild card to fall back on but blew that as well


Trust me on one thing...the NY media will be crying about this one for decades

DoItForDanPasqua
09-30-2007, 06:10 PM
After what happened today I now have to put the Mets collapse at #1.

The reasons?

First they had a lead with the last 7 at home.

unlike the 64 Phillies they also had a wild card to fall back on but blew that as well


Trust me on one thing...the NY media will be crying about this one for decades

To add to that:

They lost six of their last seven games. All those games were at Shea and all their opponents were below .500.

MarySwiss
09-30-2007, 06:10 PM
Yes, he knew that. However, Mike North doesn't.
Should we just add this to the long list of stuff that Mike North doesn't know? :cool:

Fenway
09-30-2007, 06:24 PM
To add to that:

They lost six of their last seven games. All those games were at Shea and all their opponents were below .500.

It is unreal.....all summer long I saw fans wearing their Mets caps on the Cape and they were giddy that THEY were going to the playoffs and the Yankees would fail.

The Mets are the team of Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island and Long island and their fanbase does not travel into NJ or upstate.

This is a disaster for that franchise

DoItForDanPasqua
09-30-2007, 06:27 PM
It is unreal.....all summer long I saw fans weraring their Mets caps on the Cape and they were giddy that THEY were going to the playoffs and the Yankees would fail.

The Mets are the team of Queens, Brooklyn, Staten Island and Long island and their fanbase does not travel into NJ or upstate.

This is a disaster for that franchise

And this is coming the year after the heartbreaking game seven in the NLCS.

chisoxfanatic
09-30-2007, 06:28 PM
I personally feel VERY bad for Mets fans. They undoubtedly have it the worst as far as fanbases sharing a city with another franchise.

thomas35forever
09-30-2007, 06:32 PM
I personally feel VERY bad for Mets fans. They undoubtedly have it the worst as far as fanbases sharing a city with another franchise.
Exactly. The Yankees fans will be on their backs about this one all winter long.

asindc
09-30-2007, 06:40 PM
I personally feel VERY bad for Mets fans. They undoubtedly have it the worst as far as fanbases sharing a city with another franchise.

As a Sox fan who lives on the East Coast, I can attest to this. At least we know that the Sox is the most successful baseball franchise in Chicago. Mets fans can't even fall back on that. Also, as someone who grew up in Indiana and Michigan, I think the Sox' fanbase reaches farther than the Mets' does.

The Cubs fans are insufferable because they are largely clueless and delusional. Yanks fans are merciless towards the Mets fans, especially in cases like this. Incidentally, of all the fanbases here on the East Coast, the Yanks fans were the most gracious towards me about the Sox 2005 WS championship. The Red Sox fans were the most bitter about it, for whatever reason.:rolleyes:

Fenway
09-30-2007, 07:25 PM
Incidentally, of all the fanbases here on the East Coast, the Yanks fans were the most gracious towards me about the Sox 2005 WS championship. The Red Sox fans were the most bitter about it, for whatever reason.:rolleyes:

The hardcore Boston fans were cheering for the White Sox. The bandwagoners? who cares what they think

I have a simple test to see how hard core a Boston fan is

I just say the mumbers 9 4 1 8 and 27

You don't know the names.....leave me alone

asindc
09-30-2007, 07:51 PM
The hardcore Boston fans were cheering for the White Sox. The bandwagoners? who cares what they think

I have a simple test to see how hard core a Boston fan is

I just say the mumbers 9 4 1 8 and 27

You don't know the names.....leave me alone

Actually Fenway, I think you have a point there. My Red Sox fan colleagues were gracious about the Sox beating them in the ALDS. They pretty much felt how I do now... 2005 (or 2004 in their case) allows me to relax and just watch everything unfold. We'll get 'em next year kinda thing.

I think the younger Red Sox fans were the ones I remember being bitter. In fact, on their message boards, the older fans were scolding the younger ones for not appreciating that Sox fans were the only ones could could really understand what they felt like. Unfortunately, the bandwagoners seemed more vocal after the Sox won it.

Hitmen77
09-30-2007, 08:32 PM
umm the 67 White Sox would have needed 3 of the last 5 to tie Boston but the dying Kansas City A's in their last ever homestand delivered what would be the fatal blow to the Pale Hose. Washington then finished the job 2 nights later.

In fact that doubleheader in Kansas City were the last home games the A's ever played in Kansas City. KC showed their love for Finley as only 5,325 turned out to say goodbye to the A's who were Oakland bound in 1968.

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1967/B09272KC11967.htm (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1967/B09272KC11967.htm)

I don't listen to sports blab in the morning when I am in Chicago. I tried North for 30 seconds, figured he was a buffoon and moved on....besides Ramsey Lewis on WNUA is such a pleasure to listen to. He has forgotten more about jazz than the rest of us know :smile:

Interestingly, the pitcher for KC was Catfish Hunter.

kevin57
09-30-2007, 08:43 PM
The posts to this thread show how this question is confusing to answer. Before the current division set-up, a collapse like the Phillies of old would have been a classic answer. Now, to lose a division championship is not that big of a deal because you're still a distance from the WS championship.

Using the current division configuration, the '03 Cubs and Marlins has got to count among the best/worst of collapses. :bandance:

Lip Man 1
09-30-2007, 08:55 PM
If you are going to list the 03 Cubs as a collapse then you have to include the 2002 Giants in the W.S. blowing a big lead in #6 and then losing #7 or of course the 86 Red Sox.

Lip

FarWestChicago
09-30-2007, 09:04 PM
If you are going to list the 03 Cubs as a collapse then you have to include the 2002 Giants in the W.S. blowing a big lead in #6 and then losing #7 or of course the 86 Red Sox.

LipThat was the moment when Crusty Faker cemented his position in history. What a dumbass. :rolling:

PKalltheway
09-30-2007, 09:34 PM
If you are going to list the 03 Cubs as a collapse then you have to include the 2002 Giants in the W.S. blowing a big lead in #6 and then losing #7 or of course the 86 Red Sox.

Lip

Or the 1986 Angels for that matter. Don't forget about the 2004 Yankees, or the 1984 Cubs.

TDog
09-30-2007, 09:52 PM
The posts to this thread show how this question is confusing to answer. Before the current division set-up, a collapse like the Phillies of old would have been a classic answer. Now, to lose a division championship is not that big of a deal because you're still a distance from the WS championship.

Using the current division configuration, the '03 Cubs and Marlins has got to count among the best/worst of collapses. :bandance:

Using that criteria, the '84 Cubs are only marginally, if at all, behind the '03 Cubs.

chisoxfanatic
09-30-2007, 09:57 PM
Don't forget about the 2004 Yankees
I don't think we have to worry about forgetting that...The media simply won't allow us to!

Fenway
10-01-2007, 12:17 PM
A Philly writer who covered the 64 Phillies says this

The Mets' collapse will be remembered for some of the worst baseball ever played by a so-called contender. At least the '64 Phillies died trying.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/sports/20071001_Bill_Conlin___Thanks__Mets__This_was_mone y_in_Bank.html

Had Bodley from USAToday who grew up in Philly also says the Mets collapse was worse.

A week to go the Mets were THREE up in the loss column and 7 games with 3 teams a combined 40 games under .500 at Shea.

pierzynski07
10-01-2007, 12:23 PM
I personally feel VERY bad for Mets fans. They undoubtedly have it the worst as far as fanbases sharing a city with another franchise.
It sucks to be a Mets fan...

Shunned by the NY media for being in the same city as the Yankees.
Shunned by everyone else for being on the east coast and in New York.

Fenway
10-01-2007, 12:26 PM
It sucks to be a Mets fan...

Shunned by the NY media for being in the same city as the Yankees.
Shunned by everyone else for being on the east coast and in New York.

:lol: WFAN online poll

Met fans... How long will it take for you to recover from this historical collapse?
I'll be fine by Morning http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/Poll/poll_results_bar.gif 13%
1 week http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/Poll/poll_results_bar.gif 6%
1 month http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/Poll/poll_results_bar.gif 5%
Not until Spring Training '08 http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/Poll/poll_results_bar.gif 32%
Never, I need to speak with Dr. Melfi http://imgsrv.wfan.com/image/wfan/box_imgs/Poll/poll_results_bar.gif 43%

TommyJohn
10-01-2007, 01:04 PM
Don't forget the White Sox collapse in 2005...that was the worst ever!

Fenway
10-01-2007, 02:26 PM
In the "add insult to injury department"

DHL this morning is delivering Mets playoff tickets to the season ticket holders

Lots of happy callers on WFAN :tongue:

Maddog is fuming that the biggest collapse in both leagues now belongs to New York ( 04 Yankees 07 Mets )

TDog
10-01-2007, 02:54 PM
In the "add insult to injury department"

DHL this morning is delivering Mets playoff tickets to the season ticket holders

Lots of happy callers on WFAN :tongue:

Maddog is fuming that the biggest collapse in both leagues now belongs to New York ( 04 Yankees 07 Mets )

When I looked at the baseball scoreboard Sunday afternoon (which I thought had the White Sox beating the Tigers 7-3 in the third) I saw that the Marlins scored seven in the top of the first and considered the pain of being a Mets fan on Sunday. If I were one of those season ticket holders who went to Sunday's game with high hopes, getting postseason tickets today would indeed make me feel worse.

At least the White Sox season didn't end suddenly, with emotional pain.

Zisk77
10-01-2007, 03:35 PM
It saved baseball in Seattle as the Mariners appeared to be going somewhere. That season created enough interest to build Safeco Field.

I was never in the Kingdome but baseball writers say it was the worst of the worst.

I saw Rod Carew and the twinkies play the mariner's in 1977 there while I was on vacation (I was 7).Unfortunatley the hitmen weren't in town. It was by far the worst park I have ever been in. The atmosphere just sucked. Good place to cure insomnia though. I enjoyed the City of Seattle though, and killer whales are neato.