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illini81887
09-27-2007, 09:44 PM
Boy the Mets are choking this one away

chisoxfanatic
09-27-2007, 10:14 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what was their biggest lead, and at what date did they have that lead?

Johnny Mostil
09-27-2007, 10:17 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what was their biggest lead, and at what date did they have that lead?

7.0 games (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2007_sched.shtml), most recently on 9/12:o:.

captainclutch24
09-27-2007, 10:32 PM
Go Phillies!

WhiteSox5187
09-27-2007, 11:18 PM
Go Phillies!
I'm kinda conflicted here, I like the Phillies because of Rowand and Iguchi, but when I lived in New York all of my friends were Mets' fans and they really rooted for the Sox in '05 and last year, plus I like the Mets' chances against the Cubs better than the Phillies...so I think I am going to have to root for the Mets here.

Grzegorz
09-28-2007, 05:46 AM
Go Phillies!!!

WSox597
09-28-2007, 07:34 AM
Go Phillies!

Aside from the ex-Sox factor, I am obligated to vote against all things New York.

I'd love to see the Phillies get in, since like the Sox they don't get in that often. It would be good to see a NY team blow a 7 game lead, not unlike the infamous Phillies choke in '64. I think it was '64 anyway. Gene Mauch and all that.

Fenway
09-28-2007, 09:20 AM
Mets always complain they never make the front or back pages of the tabloids....

well they did this morning

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/09/28/alg_frontback_0928.jpg (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/galleries/september_front_pages/september_front_pages.html)http://www.nypost.com/seven/09282007/img/front092807.jpghttp://www.nypost.com/seven/09282007/img/back092807.jpg

Mets drop into NL East tie (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_mets_drop_into_nl_east_tie_but_randolph_.html)

After the reeling Mets fell into a first-place tie with the Phillies last night, Willie Randolph cruised through the clubhouse and spoke loud enough to make sure everyone heard him. "We're gonna win this thing!" +

Mets feeling the heat (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_mets_show_how_much_pressure_they_are_fee.html)

John Harper: Until now you could blame the Mets' collapse on many different things. Last night was different. Last night the Mets played scared. +
Lo Duca makes waves speaking his mind (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_paul_lo_duca_makes_waves_speaking_his_mi.html)

Bob Raissman: As the Mets are tied to the tracks, waiting to be run over by that caboose out of Philly, Paul Lo Duca's runaway mouth has been doing some heavy venting. Some of it has been at the expense of Willie Randolph.

and in Philadelphia
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Move Over, Mets (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20070928_Move_Over__Mets.html)
By Todd Zolecki, Inquirer Staff Writer
Jimmy Rollins made his infamous proclamation in January that the Phillies would be the team to beat in the National League East. He never wavered.

Mets play as if they've given up the ghost (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070928_Mets_play_as_if_theyve_given_up_the_ghost .html)
NEW YORK - In mid-September, the Mets were cruising in front like a really fast horse running against a relentless opponent that simply did not have enough speed to keep up. Then,... More >> (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070928_Mets_play_as_if_theyve_given_up_the_ghost .html)

soxwon
09-28-2007, 10:05 PM
Phillies winning mets losing.

delben91
09-28-2007, 10:59 PM
Philadelphia up 1 with 2 left to play. Wow.

thomas35forever
09-28-2007, 11:47 PM
I just might root for the Phillies instead of the Indians in the playoffs this year.

Viva Medias B's
09-29-2007, 12:25 AM
How ironic would it be for the Yankees to be the Big Apple's sole representative in the playoffs.

WSox597
09-29-2007, 09:00 AM
I just might root for the Phillies instead of the Indians in the playoffs this year.

I agree, I hope the Phillies make and win the World Series. It's been quite a few years for them, and there is the ex-Sox factor to consider.

Anytime a NY team gets knocked out, if they get knocked out, it's a good thing.

No matter which sport.

FarWestChicago
09-29-2007, 09:36 AM
I just might root for the Phillies instead of the Indians in the playoffs this year.Why on Earth would any Sox fan root for the hated 'Toons? :dunno:

Frater Perdurabo
09-29-2007, 09:45 AM
Why on Earth would any Sox fan root for the hated 'Toons? :dunno:

There's no AL playoff team that I really can support. None. At least last year I could root for Frank Thomas or for Leyland & Magglio.

I guess I could root for Boston, just out of courtesy to Fenway, but I hate rooting for a team that ESPN picks as their own, so that seems to rule out both the Red Sox and the Yankees (who I could never support under any conditions unless they were playing the Cubs).

This year, I'm pulling for an NL team to bounce the Cubs. Go Padres, Phillies and Diamondbacks!

PaleHoseGeorge
09-29-2007, 10:16 AM
Is it really necessary to have a representative from the N.L. East in the playoffs? Or the N.L. Central?

What a pathetic joke that entire league truly is...

:tool
"Sure we play 10-times more games than the NFL, but if the NFL does it this way than so will MLB!"

Fenway
09-29-2007, 07:09 PM
After 161 games they are tied.

Jjav829
09-29-2007, 07:10 PM
Well, once again we have a tie in the NL East.

The Padres blew a 1-run lead in the 9th and are now in Extra Innings. If they lose today and tomorrow, and the Rockies win today and tomorrow, and the Mets and Phillies both win tomorrow, there will be a 4-way tie for the NL East and Wild Card.

So, enjoy that possibility. :smile:

Probably won't happen, but it's kinda fun to think about.

Fenway
09-29-2007, 07:30 PM
Well now Padres lose so Rockies alive and wild card still in play for Mutts and Philly.

PKalltheway
09-29-2007, 09:26 PM
Well, once again we have a tie in the NL East.

The Padres blew a 1-run lead in the 9th and are now in Extra Innings. If they lose today and tomorrow, and the Rockies win today and tomorrow, and the Mets and Phillies both win tomorrow, there will be a 4-way tie for the NL East and Wild Card.

So, enjoy that possibility. :smile:

Probably won't happen, but it's kinda fun to think about.
:o:Holy ****. Man, I love baseball.

voodoochile
09-29-2007, 11:54 PM
Well, once again we have a tie in the NL East.

The Padres blew a 1-run lead in the 9th and are now in Extra Innings. If they lose today and tomorrow, and the Rockies win today and tomorrow, and the Mets and Phillies both win tomorrow, there will be a 4-way tie for the NL East and Wild Card.

So, enjoy that possibility. :smile:

Probably won't happen, but it's kinda fun to think about.

Okay, what happens in the event of a 4 way tie?

My guess...

Philly and Mets need to settle the division issue first, but the one who loses still plays for the WC after San Diego and Colorado have a game. However, I thought the 163rd game counted toward the actual record, so technically the loser of Philly/Mets would be a game behind the winner of Padres/Rockies. Would the extra game still be played?

Anyone got an answer? Not sure I'll be able to sleep until I get one...:tongue:

Fenway
09-30-2007, 12:08 AM
Okay, what happens in the event of a 4 way tie?

My guess...

Philly and Mets need to settle the division issue first, but the one who loses still plays for the WC after San Diego and Colorado have a game. However, I thought the 163rd game counted toward the actual record, so technically the loser of Philly/Mets would be a game behind the winner of Padres/Rockies. Would the extra game still be played?

Anyone got an answer? Not sure I'll be able to sleep until I get one...:tongue:

Yes the game is played. So if WC still in play the Mets-Philly loser then plays again. SD win Sunday makes it moot

thomas35forever
09-30-2007, 12:10 AM
Well, once again we have a tie in the NL East.

The Padres blew a 1-run lead in the 9th and are now in Extra Innings. If they lose today and tomorrow, and the Rockies win today and tomorrow, and the Mets and Phillies both win tomorrow, there will be a 4-way tie for the NL East and Wild Card.
"And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.":smile:

voodoochile
09-30-2007, 12:13 AM
Yes the game is played. So if WC still in play the Mets-Philly loser then plays again. SD win Sunday makes it moot

But after the 2nd game between the winner of the SD/Col game and the loser of the Philly/NY game, the two teams would STILL have the same record if the NY/Philly loser wins that game.

Now as I understand it, these games actually count toward regular season standings. The teams playing both games will actually show a record with 164 games played. This isn't a soccer shootout where the score stays tied and shows a winner by shootout, the games actually count in the standings. Shouldn't they have to play one more game if the two teams are still tied after game #164? :tongue:

Fenway
09-30-2007, 12:28 AM
Wacky as this sounds it would be a 2 day 3 team playoff. Team with best head to head with other 2 has a choice of bye and then 1 road game or 2 home games providing they win on Tuesday. Only Selig could come up with this.

voodoochile
09-30-2007, 12:34 AM
Wacky as this sounds it would be a 2 day 3 team playoff. Team with best head to head with other 2 has a choice of bye and then 1 road game or 2 home games. Only Selig could come up with this.

Are you saying that Phillies would play NY for the division and THEN they would start a 2 day playoff between the 3 WC teams with head to head record deciding who gets home field and/or the choice of playing 2 games at home or one on the road?

My head hurts, I'm gonna go lie down. Don't know if I'll be able to sleep but I'm gonna try...:tongue:

Fenway
09-30-2007, 12:38 AM
Are you saying that Phillies would play NY for the division and THEN they would start a 2 day playoff between the 3 WC teams with head to head record deciding who gets home field and/or the choice of playing 2 games at home or one on the road?

My head hurts, I'm gonna go lie down. Don't know if I'll be able to sleep but I'm gonna try...:tongue:

If they all finish at 89 that is the plan.

chisoxmike
09-30-2007, 02:16 AM
:hawk
"I tell you what D.J., Sunday is gonna be tight sphincter time in the N.L."

downstairs
09-30-2007, 11:32 AM
So, for those scoring at home and rooting for the 4-way tie, here's what to look for:

Mets beat FLA (12:10 PM)
Phillies beat Washington (12:35 PM)
Brewers beat San Diego (1:05 PM)
Rockies beat Arizona (2:05 PM)


San Diego game is most important here. If they win, they remove Mets, Phillies, and San Diego from the Wild Card.

Jjav829
09-30-2007, 11:40 AM
So, for those scoring at home and rooting for the 4-way tie, here's what to look for:

Mets beat FLA (12:10 PM)
Phillies beat Washington (12:35 PM)
Brewers beat San Diego (1:05 PM)
Rockies beat Arizona (2:05 PM)


San Diego game is most important here. If they win, they remove Mets, Phillies, and San Diego from the Wild Card.

Should be a fun day. Too bad it happens on an NFL Sunday, but I'll be flipping around during commercials or if the Bears game gets out of hand. While I want the Padres in, a 4-way tie would be really fun.

drewcifer
09-30-2007, 11:43 AM
:hawk
"I tell you what D.J., Sunday is gonna be tight sphincter time in the N.L."

:)

Hawk rules.

Patrick134
09-30-2007, 01:21 PM
Mets down 4-0 after 5 batters.

Patrick134
09-30-2007, 01:29 PM
Glavine hits Dontrelle Willis with the bases loaded, Glavine choking bad.

Scottiehaswheels
09-30-2007, 01:42 PM
wow... down 7-0 in the first... Mets are REALLY gonna have to come back to give themselves a chance....

DoItForDanPasqua
09-30-2007, 01:43 PM
7-0 after half an inning.

The Mets announcers are great: "With all the talk of this pennant race, and all the different playoff scenarios, the Mets are down by seven and they haven't even batted yet.

Patrick134
09-30-2007, 01:46 PM
If you're gonna go down 7-0, best to be early i guess, the Mets do have an offense that can come back and Willis has had an off year overall. But with Glavine out, I'm not sure how well the Mets bullpen can stop the bleeding.

Fenway
09-30-2007, 01:52 PM
If you're gonna go down 7-0, best to be early i guess, the Mets do have an offense that can come back and Willis has had an off year overall. But with Glavine out, I'm not sure how well the Mets bullpen can stop the bleeding.

I have complete faith in Philadelphia to blow it today as well

DoItForDanPasqua
09-30-2007, 01:54 PM
I have complete faith in Philadelphia to blow it today as well

They've been doing it for about 125 years now.

Patrick134
09-30-2007, 01:54 PM
I have complete faith in Philadelphia to blow it today as well


Phillies up 1-0 in the first.

Fenway
09-30-2007, 01:59 PM
Phillies up 1-0 in the first.

I would imagine Citizens Bank Park went bonkers when the scoreboard starting acting like a pinball machine.

Glavine will always be stuck with the label of being a poor playoff pitcher.

Scottiehaswheels
09-30-2007, 02:01 PM
Interesting... Mets had Glavine going today while Philly has Moyer going today.. Kind of a battle to see if the old guys can get their team across the finish line...

DoItForDanPasqua
09-30-2007, 02:10 PM
Interesting... Mets had Glavine going today while Philly has Moyer going today.. Kind of a battle to see if the old guys can get their team across the finish line...

Glavine couldn't get past the first inning let alone the finish line.

thomas35forever
09-30-2007, 02:22 PM
I didn't the Mets would implode so early in their biggest game of the season. I guess the Marlins love playing spoiler to playoff contenders.

DoItForDanPasqua
09-30-2007, 02:41 PM
The Mets could have gotten back in this game: they've left eight men on base in the first three innnings.

Scottiehaswheels
09-30-2007, 02:42 PM
Glavine couldn't get past the first inning let alone the finish line.I just meant it was interesting that the most important game of the year for both of these teams and they were started by the oldest guys on their respective staffs... Although El Duque is still on the Mets......

Scottiehaswheels
09-30-2007, 03:05 PM
Schoenweis adding fuel to the fire.... Shocker....

eastchicagosoxfan
09-30-2007, 04:38 PM
Phillies take the NL East. Congrats to Aaron Rowand, Gooch, and all the Phillies.

Fenway
09-30-2007, 04:40 PM
It is all over The Mets are OUT

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/mark_bechtel/08/17/daily.blog/p1_phanatic.jpg

Hendu
09-30-2007, 04:42 PM
Wow! Good luck to the Phils. First time they've been to the dance since '93.

I can't wait to read the NY papers tomorrow. :tongue:

thomas35forever
09-30-2007, 04:42 PM
To the New York Mets:
http://www.rodallendrinkinggame.com/uploaded_images/ozzie-guillen-choke-765109.jpg

Fenway
09-30-2007, 04:51 PM
Wow! Good luck to the Phils. First time they've been to the dance since '93.

I can't wait to read the NY papers tomorrow. :tongue:

and the Jets lost an ugly game in Buffalo....the fishwrap will be in fine form

TommyJohn
09-30-2007, 08:09 PM
Noooooo!! Not the Phillies!

AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!