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nysox35
09-26-2007, 09:28 AM
Overall, I like the proposal, although I don't like his proposed return on Garland. I'd like a better SS than Lopez, but if we did bring Hunter in, I'd be fine with him. The offense looks pretty good, but he doesn't suggest much in the way of a bullpen upgrade. Thoughts?


Chicago

SS Felipe Lopez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2969)
LF Josh Fields (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=139)
DH Jim Thome (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1700)
1B Paul Konerko (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2493)
CF Torii Hunter (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2470)
RF Jermaine Dye (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2233)
C A.J. Pierzynski (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2685)
3B Joe Crede (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2966)
2B Danny Richar (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=5169)

Mark Buehrle (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3074)
Javier Vazquez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2528)
Jose Contreras (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3582)
John Danks (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1323)
Kris Benson (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2738)/Gavin Floyd (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3836)/Dustin Nippert (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1298)

Bobby Jenks (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3824)
Tony Pena
Matt Thornton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3751)

The White Sox need to get a whole lot better in center field and figure to target Torii Hunter (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2470) and Aaron Rowand (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3284). It'd be a surprise if they didn't sign one of the two, though they don't have as much financial flexibility as some teams after inking both Mark Buehrle (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3074) and Jermaine Dye (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2233) to extensions. That's why Jon Garland (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2953) is expected to go. The haul won't be quite as strong as it would have been a year ago, as he has just one season left on his contract, but he will be in demand, with the Diamondbacks, Rangers and Phillies among those likely to come calling. I have him going to Arizona for a setup man with closer stuff in Tony Pena and a rotation candidate in Dustin Nippert (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1298).

The acquisition of Pena or a similar reliever would help address the team's second priority. Bobby Jenks (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3824) is the only member of the bullpen to meet expectations this year, so GM Ken Williams will try to land a couple of setup men. Mike MacDougal (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3211), David Aardsma (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3846) and Andrew Sisco (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=888) all figured to be shopped as part of the makeover.

Also in the cards is a change at shortstop. The White Sox will probably decline Juan Uribe (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3242)'s option and give Omar Vizquel (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1534) a look. David Eckstein (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3232) is one more option, though he could be too costly if the club spends big in center. I have Felipe Lopez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2969) coming over from the Nationals for MacDougal, but the White Sox might prefer a superior defender.

That's pretty much it. Josh Fields (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=139) has OBP troubles, but he's done enough to justify the starting job in left field. The White Sox aren't going to do better than Joe Crede (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2966) at third without parting with young talent. Jose Contreras (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3582) has had a strong enough finish that the White Sox may no longer feel it's worth eating a portion of his contract to move him. Gio Gonzalez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=4136) should have a rotation spot eventually, but he'll probably have to wait a while as the White Sox add a veteran or two to compete with Gavin Floyd (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3836).
ondafarm
09-26-2007, 09:39 AM
I don't think this guy knows one whit of what he's talking about.
rowand33
09-26-2007, 09:53 AM
Chicago

SS Felipe Lopez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2969)
LF Josh Fields (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=139)
DH Jim Thome (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1700)
1B Paul Konerko (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2493)
CF Torii Hunter (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2470)
RF Jermaine Dye (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2233)
C A.J. Pierzynski (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2685)
3B Joe Crede (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2966)
2B Danny Richar (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=5169)

Mark Buehrle (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3074)
Javier Vazquez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2528)
Jose Contreras (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3582)
John Danks (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1323)
Kris Benson (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2738)/Gavin Floyd (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3836)/Dustin Nippert (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1298)

Bobby Jenks (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3824)
Tony Pena
Matt Thornton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3751)

The White Sox need to get a whole lot better in center field and figure to target Torii Hunter (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2470) and Aaron Rowand (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3284). It'd be a surprise if they didn't sign one of the two, though they don't have as much financial flexibility as some teams after inking both Mark Buehrle (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3074) and Jermaine Dye (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2233) to extensions. That's why Jon Garland (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2953) is expected to go. The haul won't be quite as strong as it would have been a year ago, as he has just one season left on his contract, but he will be in demand, with the Diamondbacks, Rangers and Phillies among those likely to come calling. I have him going to Arizona for a setup man with closer stuff in Tony Pena and a rotation candidate in Dustin Nippert (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1298).

The acquisition of Pena or a similar reliever would help address the team's second priority. Bobby Jenks (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3824) is the only member of the bullpen to meet expectations this year, so GM Ken Williams will try to land a couple of setup men. Mike MacDougal (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3211), David Aardsma (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3846) and Andrew Sisco (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=888) all figured to be shopped as part of the makeover.

Also in the cards is a change at shortstop. The White Sox will probably decline Juan Uribe (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3242)'s option and give Omar Vizquel (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=1534) a look. David Eckstein (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3232) is one more option, though he could be too costly if the club spends big in center. I have Felipe Lopez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2969) coming over from the Nationals for MacDougal, but the White Sox might prefer a superior defender.

That's pretty much it. Josh Fields (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=139) has OBP troubles, but he's done enough to justify the starting job in left field. The White Sox aren't going to do better than Joe Crede (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2966) at third without parting with young talent. Jose Contreras (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3582) has had a strong enough finish that the White Sox may no longer feel it's worth eating a portion of his contract to move him. Gio Gonzalez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=4136) should have a rotation spot eventually, but he'll probably have to wait a while as the White Sox add a veteran or two to compete with Gavin Floyd (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=3836).

This team wins 70-80 games...
Mr.1Dog
09-26-2007, 09:56 AM
Seems like a really slow lineup relying too much on power.
palehozenychicty
09-26-2007, 09:56 AM
That's an expensive way to build for 2009. :rolleyes:
palehozenychicty
09-26-2007, 09:56 AM
Seems like a really slow lineup relying too much on power.

Just like the 06-07 Sox! :D:
eriqjaffe
09-26-2007, 10:02 AM
I have Felipe Lopez (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2969) coming over from the Nationals for MacDougal, but the White Sox might prefer a superior defender.You know, if you're going to talk unrealistic returns for crappy middle relievers, you may as have the Sox getting Ryan Church and Chad Cordero in the deal, too.
voodoochile
09-26-2007, 10:07 AM
What's the story on Lopez? His OBP were great the last two seasons, but everything else doesn't look like a leadoff hitter to me. His SB% also isn't great.

Also not keen on the projected rotation. There are 3 potential question marks in it and that's a lot to take on faith.
eriqjaffe
09-26-2007, 10:31 AM
What's the story on Lopez? His OBP were great the last two seasons, but everything else doesn't look like a leadoff hitter to me. His SB% also isn't great.It kinda looks like Lopez peaked in 2005 (.291/.352/.486), this year his numbers have been pretty...um...Sox-like. His defense doesn't look that great (career .959 FP at shortstop), although fielding percentage isn't always the best judge of a player's defense (see Carlos Lee).

He's a FA after 2008, and he's represented by (dun-dun-DUNNNNN) Scott Boras. So he'd probably wind up just being a rent-a-player.
palehozenychicty
09-26-2007, 10:38 AM
What's the story on Lopez? His OBP were great the last two seasons, but everything else doesn't look like a leadoff hitter to me. His SB% also isn't great.

Also not keen on the projected rotation. There are 3 potential question marks in it and that's a lot to take on faith.


I think that Contreras should be moved, and then offer a reasonable extension to Garland.

A Garland for Furcal swap would solve some problems, wouldn't it?
INSox56
09-26-2007, 10:44 AM
Felipe Lopez?
Britt Burns
09-26-2007, 10:58 AM
I think that Contreras should be moved, and then offer a reasonable extension to Garland.

A Garland for Furcal swap would solve some problems, wouldn't it?

With Hu coming along for the Dodgers this wold seem like a good deal for both teams. Furcal has had a lousy season, but he did just turn 30 last August. Garland seems like the kind of guy that would excel in dodger stadium...I could see him putting up great numbers with them.
Dread Farmer
09-26-2007, 11:15 AM
If that is our team or something along those lines I will be SICK. We need to stay relevant in this town and that won't cut it!!!
Foulke You
09-26-2007, 11:46 AM
Felipe Lopez?
Doesn't exactly scream "October Glory" does it?
rowand33
09-26-2007, 11:47 AM
Doesn't exactly scream "October Glory" does it?

Felipe Lopez screams it a lot louder than Kris Benson.
INSox56
09-26-2007, 12:10 PM
Doesn't exactly scream "October Glory" does it?

Felipe Lopez screams it a lot louder than Kris Benson.
Both are scary, scary, scary.
FedEx227
09-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Yeah, why are people getting down on Felipe Lopez when it says we would have KRIS BENSON.

Yeah this guy has no idea what he's talking about, and his projections make for one crappy 70 win team.
spiffie
09-26-2007, 01:29 PM
Yeah, why are people getting down on Felipe Lopez when it says we would have KRIS BENSON.

Yeah this guy has no idea what he's talking about, and his projections make for one crappy 70 win team.
Maybe the problem is trying to think of projections for this team that are realistic and would lead to a 90-win team. I can't think of one. I'm hoping Kenny Williams can.
FedEx227
09-26-2007, 01:35 PM
Maybe the problem is trying to think of projections for this team that are realistic and would lead to a 90-win team. I can't think of one. I'm hoping Kenny Williams can.

Yes, unfortunately with absolutely no mlb-ready talent in the minors, we're going to have to patch this team together and unfortunately when you do that, you're going to have to trade key pieces to get other key pieces so we are going to be weak somewhere, no doubt about it.
palehozenychicty
09-26-2007, 01:38 PM
Yes, unfortunately with absolutely no mlb-ready talent in the minors, we're going to have to patch this team together and unfortunately when you do that, you're going to have to trade key pieces to get other key pieces so we are going to be weak somewhere, no doubt about it.

Exactly. People just need to lower the expectations a little bit for '09-10. Next year, I'm looking for solid improvement, and that's it.
Navarro's Talent
09-26-2007, 02:10 PM
The idea of Kris Benson in a Sox uniform is horrifying.
rowand33
09-26-2007, 02:15 PM
The idea of Kris Benson in a Sox uniform is horrifying.

We already have one too many Bensons in Chicago.
russ99
09-27-2007, 04:40 PM
Felipe Lopez?

Yeah, no kidding, what's he smoking...
chisoxfanatic
09-27-2007, 05:29 PM
I think that Contreras should be moved, and then offer a reasonable extension to Garland.
I agree at least to the point of Contreras leaving. I'm not sure I want Garland to be extended immediately. He should have to prove this year was a fluke before that happens. You don't reward someone immediately after a mediocre at best season.
Flight #24
10-01-2007, 12:17 PM
IMO it's likely you'll either see Contreras for Furcal or Garland for Furcal+a youngster (Ethier? An RP?).

Then you'll see them targeting middle relief and CF.

That would leave a lineup of Furcal-Ethier-Thome-Konerko-Dye-AJ-Fields-Crede-Richar, which is solid.

The bullpen would have Jenks-Wasserman-2 acquisitions-2 from Thornton/Logan/Broadway/Floyd/Gio.

Rotation would have Buehrle-Vazquez-Contreras/Garland-Danks-Floyd/Broadway/Gio.

I'm a bit concerned about the #5 slot, but I think that's a risk the Sox have to take in order to free up some salary. If they can't deal Contreras, that's a huge gamble on him but if that's the only way you can add a Furcal+Ethier type of infusion, I can see it happening.

(But I'd still rather see Owens-Fields-Rodriguez-Thome-Konerko-Dye-AJ-Crede-Richar and a trade of Garland/Contreras for the MR "acquisitions" noted above, which would leave a payroll in the $115 range.)
RCWHITESOX
10-01-2007, 12:59 PM
We already have one too many Bensons in Chicago.

Why not go after B Roberts in Baltimore in a Garland trade. Takes care of a leadoff hitter and 2B.
kittle42
10-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Why not go after B Roberts in Baltimore in a Garland trade. Takes care of a leadoff hitter and 2B.

Why would they give up Roberts?
RCWHITESOX
10-01-2007, 01:14 PM
Why would they give up Roberts?

Because their so thin in starting pitching. They have E Bedard and J Guthrie and very little else. With starting pitching hard to find and a very weak free agent crop seems like it could be a fit.
soxinem1
10-01-2007, 01:33 PM
I'd keep Uribe if Lopez was the alternative. We need an upgrade, not a dropoff.

Wow. 400+ K's from the top three hitters? Then add another 100-110 for Konerko?

But what a slow looking lineup. I hope we do not have to go through another season of 'three hits for a run' crap again.
TDog
10-01-2007, 02:31 PM
My thought is that I shouldn't have visited this thread.
voodoochile
10-01-2007, 02:50 PM
Yes, unfortunately with absolutely no mlb-ready talent in the minors, we're going to have to patch this team together and unfortunately when you do that, you're going to have to trade key pieces to get other key pieces so we are going to be weak somewhere, no doubt about it.

You mean other than the 6 pitchers or so who have caught at least a cup of coffee in the majors and several of whom have shown promise?

Are you including Owens and Richar in your assessment?

I know... I know... they aren't in the minors right now, so I guess they don't qualify, but it's not like the Sox are completely devoid of talent to trade. In fact they have a nice quantity of cheap young pitchers with live arms who are close to MLB ready.

Should be able to put some attractive packages together, heck, Offer Danks and rely on Floyd for the #5 slot next year.
DumpJerry
10-01-2007, 03:24 PM
I agree at least to the point of Contreras leaving. I'm not sure I want Garland to be extended immediately. He should have to prove this year was a fluke before that happens. You don't reward someone immediately after a mediocre at best season.
We're talking about Jon Garland, not the stuff you hang on Christmas. The only thing "mediocre" about Jon in 2007 was the run support he got-not his fault.

Garland is the right handed version of Mark Buehrle. I hope to God we extend him.
gr8mexico
10-04-2007, 02:52 PM
The Sox should consider trading Garland for Renteria if the trade is available. Then Sign David Eckstein (2B) and Aaron Rowand (CF). That would give you a very good lineup.
1.Edgar Renteria SS
2.Davis Eckstein 2B
3.Jim Thome DH
4.Paul Konerko 1B
5.Jermaine Dye RF
6 Aaron Rowand CF
7.Joe Crede 3B
8.Josh Fields LF
9.A.J Catcher
SP.Mark Buehrle
SP.Javier Vazquez
SP.Jose Contreras
SP.Gio Gonzalez
SP.John Danks/Gavin Floyd:bandance:
Only if this was that easy