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Fenway
09-22-2007, 10:17 AM
They are now the Tampa Bay Rays

Red Sox radio reported last night that what fans the team has don't like what they see

and St Pete Times poll confirms that
http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2007/09/rays-poll.html (http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2007/09/rays-poll.html)


http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/photo_galleries/rays_uniforms/ (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/photo_galleries/rays_uniforms/)

http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/images/2007/09/21/home_4.jpg (http://blogs.tampabay.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/21/home_4.jpg) The Rays aren't dropping just the Devil. As part of their switch to new blue-schemed uniforms, they have taken the Tampa Bay off their road jerseys in favor of their new Rays logo. They will, however, keep the TB on their caps. Here (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/photo_galleries/rays_uniforms/) are the images

Garland_IS_God
09-22-2007, 10:27 AM
I actually like these new jerseys. Am I the only one?

Red Barchetta
09-22-2007, 11:09 AM
As a recently transferred Floridian (2005), I attend about 10 Rays games each year, primarily to see the SOX and then other "good" teams such as NY and Boston. (Those two series are usually the only sellouts).

Florida's baseball market is very unusual as demonstrated by the 400 die hard fans who recently "packed" the converted football field in Miami. Most people are transplants from somewhere else and have had a hard time adopting either the Marlins or (Devil) Rays as their home team. This is football territory (both college and pro) and baseball, outside of spring training, takes a back seat in the sports scene.

The Rays could wear Yankee Pinstripes and still not draw fans on a regular basis inside the Tropicana Dome. There is talk about a new retractable roof ballpark, however the St. Pete mayor will not discuss any new park unless it is built in St. Petersburg vs. Tampa or other central Florida location due to the extended lease the original owners signed. However, rumors of Orlando or somewhere in between Orlando and Tampa persist.

Back to uniforms, so far there has been a collective yawn among fans. IMO, there is nothing in the new design that helps create a new identity. Since I am still relatively new to the area, I can't understand why the owners don't try to identify with the strong college football loyalties. Perhaps an orange/blue color scheme similar to the college football Gators?! I love the new look of the Denver Broncos from a few years ago and I really think a pinstripe home/gray road combo with the orange/blue scheme would work well and would be unique in MLB (especially since the Mets abandoned those primary colors).

Fenway
09-22-2007, 11:24 AM
Tampa Tribune is pushing for a new stadium on the Tampa side close to the bridge to St Pete

http://www.tbo.com/sports/special/raysstadium/ (http://www.tbo.com/sports/special/raysstadium/)

There is 20 years left on the Trop lease and it is ironclad....

for that team to survive they HAVE to move across the bay...Tampa people WILL NOT GO to St Pete

Frater Perdurabo
09-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Tampa people WILL NOT GO to St Pete

Why? Do St. Pete people have cooties? :?:

Fenway
09-22-2007, 11:35 AM
Why? Do St. Pete people have cooties? :?:

It is 2 different worlds.....people on the Tampa side would rather drive 80 miles to Orlando than 15 to St Pete.

Max Power
09-22-2007, 12:02 PM
Those uniforms are a major downgrade in my opinion. The wordmark highlights the association with sun rays, but they're keeping the devil ray patch on the sleeve. So which identity is it?

Blue/yellow color scheme is okay, but nothing special. I think their current green color scheme is much better.

Also, I really don't like it when road uniforms have the team name and not the city name. I'm guessing the reason is they want to identify with the whole Tampa Bay/central Florida area.

skobabe8
09-22-2007, 01:38 PM
They are now the Tampa Bay Rays

Red Sox radio reported last night that what fans the team has don't like what they see

and St Pete Times poll confirms that
http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2007/09/rays-poll.html (http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/2007/09/rays-poll.html)


http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/photo_galleries/rays_uniforms/ (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/photo_galleries/rays_uniforms/)

http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/images/2007/09/21/home_4.jpg (http://blogs.tampabay.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/21/home_4.jpg) The Rays aren't dropping just the Devil. As part of their switch to new blue-schemed uniforms, they have taken the Tampa Bay off their road jerseys in favor of their new Rays logo. They will, however, keep the TB on their caps. Here (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/webspecials07/photo_galleries/rays_uniforms/) are the images

Those uni's are a real step in the wrong direction. TB's unis have com a long way since their first seson and they found something good the last few years IMO.

soxinem1
09-22-2007, 01:48 PM
Maybe this 'move' will help their winning percentage next year!!!

Red Barchetta
09-22-2007, 02:43 PM
It is 2 different worlds.....people on the Tampa side would rather drive 80 miles to Orlando than 15 to St Pete.

I don't get it either. I drive up I275 past the Rays Dome when I go to Tampa for my business office or to the airport. I don't understand why the people living in Tampa have such a cow over driving 25 minutes south to St. Pete.

Hell, after living with the Stevenson and Dan Ryan war zones over the past 10 years when trying to get to a SOX game, these people have nothing to complain about.

I went to the SOX-Rays game earlier this year. Free parking, watched the game and had a beer in the sportsbar after the game finished. After the beer, walked out to the parking lot, everyone was gone and it was a quick 20 minute ride home.

Britt Burns
09-22-2007, 02:58 PM
Lame move. I think I recall reading the 'Devil' was dropped due to pressure put on the team by a group of ultra-conservative Christians in the area, but i could be wrong. Either way, the new uni's stink worse than the original travesty they wore their first few years in the league.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-22-2007, 03:16 PM
Those uni's are a real step in the wrong direction. TB's unis have com a long way since their first seson and they found something good the last few years IMO.

I agree completely; a HUGE step in the wrong direction. Somebody here (OldComiskey?) already noted the new logo looks like something created in MS Paintshop. They actually paid someone to design this?
:o:

The dark green of their current uniforms was quite distinctive and gave the ballclub a badly-needed identity. So naturally they ditch the green and choose to become something like the 25th MLB team to pick a shade of blue as their primary color. Stupid... stupid... stupid...
:?:

Here's betting that "star" on the logo is just the first incarnation of what will evolve into a very prominent "ray of sunshine" logo on future Tampa uniforms. Don't be surprised if the swimming devil ray logo disappears entirely, too.

The people running that ballclub need to be lined up in front of a wall and shot. Ditto for the idiots approving the last set of new uniforms for the Mets and Blue Jays. They're taking incompetence to dizzying new heights...

:mad:

oeo
09-22-2007, 03:28 PM
Tampa Bay 'Rays' is now good competition with the Cubs for the lamest name in professional sports.

If they really want to get rid of the word 'devil' in their name, they should have just ditched the name altogether. Rays = lame.

I agree completely; a HUGE step in the wrong direction. Somebody here (OldComiskey?) already noted the new logo looks like something created in MS Paintshop. They actually paid someone to design this?
:o:

This is becoming the norm in the new uniform designs. I wonder if we end up looking back at these recent uniforms like we look back on most of the 80s uniforms.

soxinem1
09-22-2007, 04:03 PM
Tampa Bay 'Rays' is now good competition with the Cubs for the lamest name in professional sports.

If they really want to get rid of the word 'devil' in their name, they should have just ditched the name altogether. Rays = lame.

This is becoming the norm in the new uniform designs. I wonder if we end up looking back at these recent uniforms like we look back on most of the 80s uniforms.

Agreed. They should have just changed their name to the Tarpons if they wanted to keep the marine-life theme.

They should just be called the Octo*******!!!

ChiSoxGirl
09-22-2007, 04:05 PM
It is 2 different worlds.....people on the Tampa side would rather drive 80 miles to Orlando than 15 to St Pete.

I flew into Tampa for the series in June and made the drive across 275 to St. Pete Beach and it was smooth sailing; I think I made it to my hotel about a half hour after I got into my rental car at TPA!

I don't get it either. I drive up I275 past the Rays Dome when I go to Tampa for my business office or to the airport. I don't understand why the people living in Tampa have such a cow over driving 25 minutes south to St. Pete.

Hell, after living with the Stevenson and Dan Ryan war zones over the past 10 years when trying to get to a SOX game, these people have nothing to complain about.

I went to the SOX-Rays game earlier this year. Free parking, watched the game and had a beer in the sportsbar after the game finished. After the beer, walked out to the parking lot, everyone was gone and it was a quick 20 minute ride home.

You are SO right! I live about 25 miles northwest of the ballpark and about a month ago, I went to the Sox game on a Friday night, and it took me 3 HOURS to get there! :o: Those people down in Tampa have no clue what real traffic is. In fact, it was funny because I asked a guy working at the front desk of my hotel what traffic on 275 was like around 4:30p, and he looked at me like I was crazy for asking that question. I told him I was from Chicago and getting on the freeway at 4:30 was like driver's suicide! :tongue:

I have every intention of going back down there next season for the series because the whole experience was just so enjoyable. :thumbsup::sunshine:

Brian26
09-22-2007, 04:25 PM
Ditto for the idiots approving the last set of new uniforms for the Mets and Blue Jays. They're taking incompetence to dizzying new heights...


The classic Blue Jays uniforms from 1992 & 1993 should have never been changed. Even before they went to their recent new uniforms with the black and silver, they messed around with the lettering and Blue Jay logo in the late 90's (around the time they had Clemens).

This current one is awful:
http://www.bluejaysnews.com/uploaded_images/HPEhqimP-727756.jpg

The one before that was an unnecessary revision:
http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/05/05/1146841620_2731.jpg

This is the classic:
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/09/26/heGCNsAQ.jpg

Hitmen77
09-22-2007, 08:31 PM
I never was impressed with the name "Devil Rays". It had nothing to do with some kooky fundamentalist paranoia about the name - I just thought it sounded dumb. But switching to just the "Rays" is not an improvement -it's just lame. Maybe they'll get this guy to throw out their first pitch next year: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:SuWMcbTvBFF3KM:http://www.nndb.com/people/553/000025478/ray-romano.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nndb.com/people/553/000025478/ray-romano.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nndb.com/people/553/000025478/&h=303&w=220&sz=15&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=SuWMcbTvBFF3KM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dray%2Bromano%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26 hl%3Den%26rls%3DDKUS,DKUS:2006-40,DKUS:en%26sa%3DN)

Is it that difficult to come up with a decent MLB name? I like just about all the other new team names that have debuted in the last 30 years: Mariners, Blue Jays, Marlins, Diamondbacks. Can't Tampa Bay come up with their own name? I see on one of the links above that Fenway suggested the Whitecaps. Doesn't the Gulf coast of Fla. have any other indigenous wildlife that would make a decent name - like the Marlins did for South Fla? Or what about some generic standby like the "Knights" or "Titans"?

This link has some humorous suggestions for names:
http://bestbucsblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/tampa-bay-tarpons.html

As far as the new unis go, they're totally generic. I don't like their current unis, but the new ones aren't much better. Maybe they should have stuck with the current color scheme and just scrapped their current ugly font and logo.

Hitmen77
09-22-2007, 11:09 PM
The classic Blue Jays uniforms from 1992 & 1993 should have never been changed. Even before they went to their recent new uniforms with the black and silver, they messed around with the lettering and Blue Jay logo in the late 90's (around the time they had Clemens).

This is the classic:
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/09/26/heGCNsAQ.jpg

I really liked that original Blue Jays logo. I agree that they shouldn't have changed it.

goon
09-22-2007, 11:20 PM
1. They should have dropped the 'Rays' and kept just 'Devils'...

2. Their current uniforms are WAY better. That green is awesome, especially that green hat. No team in MLB has anything close to it.

I agree that Devil Rays is a terrible name for a team. They really should have just came up with a new name, made some changes to the jerseys, but kept the green and called it a day.

FloridaTigers
09-23-2007, 01:29 AM
The classic Blue Jays uniforms from 1992 & 1993 should have never been changed. Even before they went to their recent new uniforms with the black and silver, they messed around with the lettering and Blue Jay logo in the late 90's (around the time they had Clemens).

This current one is awful:
http://www.bluejaysnews.com/uploaded_images/HPEhqimP-727756.jpg

The one before that was an unnecessary revision:
http://graphics.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/05/05/1146841620_2731.jpg

This is the classic:
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/09/26/heGCNsAQ.jpg

Honestly, the Clemens era unis are pretty good. I like them as much as the '93 ones. The current ones are a joke. Who OK'd that idea? Are they the Black Jays now?

UserNameBlank
09-23-2007, 01:52 AM
I wanted them to switch to the Sun Rays which was an idea at one point. But then again they play in a dome, so Incandescent Lightbulb Rays would probably be more fitting.

I agree the jerseys are garbage though, but I'm not a fan of their current ones either. I think if they changed the font on the new ones they would look better.

kittle42
09-23-2007, 05:36 AM
http://blogs.tampabay.com/rays/images/2007/09/21/home_4.jpg (http://blogs.tampabay.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/21/home_4.jpg)

All of you here are missing the point. This fellow they have picked up in a completely under-the-radar move, "Player," who will sport uniform No. 5, will hit 70 homers and carry this team to national prominence.

Frontman
09-23-2007, 07:42 AM
I really liked that original Blue Jays logo. I agree that they shouldn't have changed it.

That was the logo I loved on the Jays.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-23-2007, 10:50 AM
1. They should have dropped the 'Rays' and kept just 'Devils'...

2. Their current uniforms are WAY better. That green is awesome, especially that green hat. No team in MLB has anything close to it.

I agree that Devil Rays is a terrible name for a team. They really should have just came up with a new name, made some changes to the jerseys, but kept the green and called it a day.

IIRC, the expansion team Tampa Bay got in the 90's was originally announced as the STING RAYS, but GM owns the copyright on the name so the ballclub quickly regrouped and chose Devil Rays to maneuver around any litigation. They kept the original swimming fish logo they still wear today.

TB now appears set to ditch the fish logo and make "sunshine" the new theme for a logo yet to be introduced. I completely agree with you that this entire situation is beyond lame and driven by incredibly incompetent management decisions.

Just plain stupid...

TornLabrum
09-23-2007, 01:19 PM
IIRC, the expansion team Tampa Bay got in the 90's was originally announced as the STING RAYS, but GM owns the copyright on the name so the ballclub quickly regrouped and chose Devil Rays to maneuver around any litigation. They kept the original swimming fish logo they still wear today.

TB now appears set to ditch the fish logo and make "sunshine" the new theme for a logo yet to be introduced. I completely agree with you that this entire situation is beyond lame and driven by incredibly incompetent management decisions.

Just plain stupid...

Let me guess. Sunshine is the theme because there is so much of it in their ballpark.

lumpyspun
09-23-2007, 01:37 PM
Pretty funny story regarding the new Ray's name change from Seattle Times: (http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=stonenotes23&date=20070923&query=ray%27s+boathouse)


Attempts by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays to change their Web address have run into a Seattle road block.
The D-Rays will undergo a major transformation next season, starting with their name. They plan to drop the "Devil" and become simply the Rays. In conjunction will be a new logo and new uniforms, as well as a new web address.
But apparently not the one they wanted.
The Rays' first choice, rays.com (http://rays.com/), is already taken by the landmark Seattle restaurant, Ray's Boathouse in Ballard.

FedEx227
09-23-2007, 03:03 PM
We had a discussion about this in the White Sox Uni changes thread. This is probably the worst jersey switch/team name I've ever seen. I'm so ashamed that they would do this, I love to support this team because I love their players, but this is just a joke.

PaleHoseGeorge
09-23-2007, 03:18 PM
Let me guess. Sunshine is the theme because there is so much of it in their ballpark.

Good one.
:wink:

Who can forget Jerry Reinsdorf came within 5 minutes of moving the White Sox into that dump 19 years ago, too?
:o:

I remember they placed homeplate on the wrong end of the dome, which is the reason why the roof there comes into play so often. That dome has been a mistake from the day it was conceived...

dickallen15
09-23-2007, 04:09 PM
With their new name, the should get Ray Durham and Chris Ray. Every player who have a first or last name of Ray should play for them.

DoItForDanPasqua
09-23-2007, 04:10 PM
It's incredible that a team playing indoors would go for a sun theme. They would be better off calling themselves the Air Conditionings (the AC's for short) or the Climate Control Systems. Those things must appeal to a Floridian in the summer.

I suppose it's also odd that they are from a body of water instead of a real place where anyone lives. There is a town of Green Bay WI, but there is no Tampa Bay FL. Maybe Oakland will change its name to the San Francisco Bay Money Balls.

DoItForDanPasqua
09-23-2007, 04:11 PM
With their new name, the should get Ray Durham and Chris Ray. Every player who have a first or last name of Ray should play for them.

I've always wanted Marlon Anderson to sign with Florida.

Hitmen77
09-23-2007, 04:35 PM
With their new name, the should get Ray Durham and Chris Ray. Every player who have a first or last name of Ray should play for them.

Is Ray Jay Johnson still alive? Maybe he can be their P.A. announcer.

Britt Burns
09-23-2007, 04:45 PM
Lost in all of this is that the Rays (or whatever they are going to be called) have a great group of young talent. Young, Upton, Kazmir, and Crawford (if they can keep him) all have star-level talent, Pena, Harris, and Shields are at a minimum solid, and they have a good farm system. Too bad they are shaping up to be the next Montreal Expos...