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Fenway
09-17-2007, 10:28 AM
2 weeks to go and the Cubs have a one game lead. St Louis who everybody thought would win this thing has now fallen out of it.

Somebody has to win it and right now the schedule favors the Cubs because the Brewers end the season with another team fighting for the playoffs...San Diego.

If the season ended today the Central winner would play the Mets who are very beatable. As St Louis proved last year once you in the playoffs anything can happen.

PatK
09-17-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm pulling for the Brewers.

Not just because they aren't the Cubs, but because they've got a relatively young team that's fun to watch, and I really like to see the small market teams beat the big market, big payroll teams.

SOXPHILE
09-17-2007, 11:06 AM
Now that the Cardinals are out of it, I'm obviously pulling for the Brewers. Anyone but Team Tribune. That said, this is probably the most boring division race I've ever seen. Could these two teams be any more mediocre ? Since July, the Cubs had an under .500 August, and so far, are 10-7 in September. YAWN. The good news is, I think the Brewers have won something like 10 of their last 15, and seem to have been playing a little better, so hopefully they can soon take over for good, 1st place in that godawful division. But this is like watching two runners walk the last few yards to the finish line, each one saying "After you" "Oh no, after you".

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 11:17 AM
Come on Brewers, win this thing!

:praying:

(I think the Cubs will take it though)

Chips
09-17-2007, 11:25 AM
Come on Brewers, win this thing!

:praying:

(I think the Cubs will take it though)

I hope the Red Sox win the WS, just for the joy of watching some WSIers heads explode.

I hope the Cubs win the WS, just for the joy of watching Mike's head explode. http://soxandthecity.net/smilies/icondarinsz3.gif

sox1970
09-17-2007, 11:30 AM
Obviously I'm rooting for the Brewers, but I don't see the Cubs doing worse than 6-6; and I don't see the Brewers going 7-7 with their remaining schedule. But that's why they play the games. Hopefully the Reds beat up the Cubs, and the Brewers surprise me.

eastchicagosoxfan
09-17-2007, 11:34 AM
I'll root for the BrewCrew, but it won't bother me if the Cubs win it. I have plenty friends that are fans of the Cubs. And in 2005, quite a few pulled for the Sox. Not all of them, but a lot of them did.

FoulTerritory
09-17-2007, 11:56 AM
If the season ended today the Central winner would play the Mets who are very beatable. As St Louis proved last year once you in the playoffs anything can happen.

Actually, if the season ended today,the central winner would play the Diamondbacks. The Padres would be the wild card, and a WC can't play their own division winner in the first round. So the Pads would go to NY, and the Cubs would go to Zona.

viagracat
09-17-2007, 01:35 PM
I'm pulling for the Brewers, but I think the Cubs will win the division.

But you know what? Even if the Cubs go all the way, I'll take solace in knowing that it was the Sox who broke Chicago's drought two years ago. It wouldn't bother me nearly as much for the Cubs to win it all now as it would have been had we still been in the bad old days of Sox fandom in Chicago.

If the Cubs make it to the WS and face New York or Boston, I'll probably pull for the Cubs. But right now I'm a Brewers fan. :smile:

soxinem1
09-17-2007, 01:54 PM
I'm pulling for the Brewers, but I think the Cubs will win the division.

But you know what? Even if the Cubs go all the way, I'll take solace in knowing that it was the Sox who broke Chicago's drought two years ago. It wouldn't bother me nearly as much for the Cubs to win it all now as it would have been had we still been in the bad old days of Sox fandom in Chicago.

If the Cubs make it to the WS and face New York or Boston, I'll probably pull for the Cubs. But right now I'm a Brewers fan. :smile:

You do realize that the local and national media will make it look like the cubs will have won Chicago's first World Series ever if they do win, and our 2005 title will be written off as 'living in the past.'

captainclutch24
09-17-2007, 01:57 PM
I will be rooting for the Cubs as I have a 90 year old grand uncle who has never seen a Cubs championship, and I would like him to see one in his life.

veeter
09-17-2007, 01:59 PM
I don't have one molecule in me that roots for the cubs. Go Brew Crew.

viagracat
09-17-2007, 02:42 PM
You do realize that the local and national media will make it look like the cubs will have won Chicago's first World Series ever if they do win, and our 2005 title will be written off as 'living in the past.'

I don't give a **** about what the local and national media thinks about anything. All I know is how I feel, and I'm still feeling the glow from '05. If that's "living in the past", so be it.

But like any good Sox fan, I'm ready for more. We have lots of work to do to get there. Let's get started.

DumpJerry
09-17-2007, 03:59 PM
I told the Cub fan in my office today that if (and that's a big "if") the Cubs win it all, Soxfan Mayor Daley will give a permit for the parade to be on Grace Street (in honor of Mark) and he'll ask, but can't guarantee, the Police Department to post tow zone signs along the three block route. I also told him that Dalay can arrange for a flyover with a couple of Piper Cherokees.

Foulke You
09-17-2007, 04:31 PM
I'm really pulling for the Brewers and I hope they pull this out but the Cubs have an absolute cupcake schedule going down the stretch which is why they'll probably end up backing into the playoffs a game or two ahead of the Brewers. The Brewers have to play Atlanta and San Diego in the last two weeks and they play more road games than home games. If San Diego is still fighting for a playoff berth in that last series, it is going to be very tough for Milwaukee to win. We're going to need a lot of help from the Pirates and the Reds for the Cubs not to make the postseason.

soxinem1
09-17-2007, 05:16 PM
I'm really pulling for the Brewers and I hope they pull this out but the Cubs have an absolute cupcake schedule going down the stretch which is why they'll probably end up backing into the playoffs a game or two ahead of the Brewers. The Brewers have to play Atlanta and San Diego in the last two weeks and they play more road games than home games. If San Diego is still fighting for a playoff berth in that last series, it is going to be very tough for Milwaukee to win. We're going to need a lot of help from the Pirates and the Reds for the Cubs not to make the postseason.

Well, CIN has been playing sporadically well, and PIT has given the cubs fits (ala 2004) in this same scenario in the past, and this year, so you never know......

JB98
09-17-2007, 05:58 PM
Rooting for the Brewers, but I think the Cubs will hang on.

Law11
09-17-2007, 06:04 PM
Next to the Sox I dig the Brewers, always have.
had the Sox moved to FL I'd be sporting the Brewer gear,
actually a have a hat or two.

That being said I think the Cubs pull it out somehow.
But I'd love to see the Brewers get there.
They have some great fans who have been through just as much crap.

GO BREWERS!

downstairs
09-17-2007, 06:14 PM
You know, I'd love to see the Cubs in last place... but I gotta admit, I think they have another epic collapse of some sort up their sleeves, and I want to be there to see it.

thomas35forever
09-17-2007, 07:07 PM
I'm really pulling for the Brewers, but the Cubs are just not giving up. I say they hang on in the end.:(:

TommyJohn
09-17-2007, 07:38 PM
I say the Cubs. Their pitching is superior to the Brewers, specifically the
bullpen. This will make the difference.

Of course, they are the Cubs. They had two epic collapses in 2003 and
2004, so you never know. But I say they take it.

TommyJohn
09-17-2007, 07:40 PM
You do realize that the local and national media will make it look like the cubs will have won Chicago's first World Series ever if they do win, and our 2005 title will be written off as 'living in the past.'

It will actually be written off as not being nearly as great or wonderful for
the city. It already is, in a sense.

chisoxfanatic
09-17-2007, 08:04 PM
Well, CIN has been playing sporadically well, and PIT has given the cubs fits (ala 2004) in this same scenario in the past, and this year, so you never know......
That was Cincinnati that gave the Cubs fits in 2004. Does the name Austin Kearns ring a bell?

The Brewers have one thing going for them...They end the season AT HOME!

kevingrt
09-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Both teams are not complete and will not do much in the playoffs in my mind. Cubs just seem to be a bit better of an overall team. I don't really know though the Mets, D-Backs, Phillies, or Padres would beat them in a 5 or 7 game series in my mind though.

Cuck the Fubs
09-17-2007, 08:46 PM
God this kills me........

The Cubs are going to win the Central...........

However, unlike every other sole on the planet.......I do not think they will win the whole thing just cause the Cards did last year.

I always enjoy asking Cub fans why the answer to why they will win it all isn't because they have x, y or z .....it's because the Cards won it last year.
Usually handcuffed by a living in the past comment:D:

dakuda
09-17-2007, 09:49 PM
I'll root for the BrewCrew, but it won't bother me if the Cubs win it. I have plenty friends that are fans of the Cubs. And in 2005, quite a few pulled for the Sox. Not all of them, but a lot of them did.


I was unable to get ANY of my Cubs fan friends to go watch some games with me during the playoffs. They were pretty sore the Sox were doing well. It was a lonely October as I have no friends who like the Sox. I am a loner out here.

That being said, I shall return the favor this year, as needed.

dakuda
09-17-2007, 09:51 PM
It will actually be written off as not being nearly as great or wonderful for
the city. It already is, in a sense.


I was listening to the radio a few weeks back, and Kerry Wood was being interviewed. He said something like (and I am paraphrasing): "The city really needs a WS win - they have had nothing to really celebrate for a long time."

Gotta love that mentality.

If someone could merge these posts, that would be nice. Sorry about that.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:02 PM
I was listening to the radio a few weeks back, and Kerry Wood was being interviewed. He said something like (and I am paraphrasing): "The city really needs a WS win - they have had nothing to really celebrate for a long time."

Gotta love that mentality.



Hopefully, that arrogance bites them in the ass.

HomeFish
09-17-2007, 10:05 PM
The thing is, a lot of the time the relatively crappy team who had a race all the way to the end of September will beat the team that locked up their division early and coasted. There's something to be said for momentum.

I would not underestimate the ballclub on the north side. They have all but won their division (or more correctly, Milwaukee has all but lost it), and the other NL contenders don't look all that much better.

I'm just happy I won't be in Chicago when the Art Institute lions start sporting blue batting helmets.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:07 PM
The thing is, a lot of the time the relatively crappy team who had a race all the way to the end of September will beat the team that locked up their division early and coasted. There's something to be said for momentum.

I would not underestimate the ballclub on the north side. They have all but won their division (or more correctly, Milwaukee has all but lost it), and the other NL contenders don't look all that much better.

I'm just happy I won't be in Chicago when the Art Institute lions start sporting blue batting helmets.


Yeah, no one in NL is unbeatable in the playoffs.

HomeFish
09-17-2007, 10:08 PM
David Weathers just handed them the division, essentially. Hard to believe he was once mentioned in the same breath as Jenks.

kevingrt
09-17-2007, 10:09 PM
Unbelievable come back by the Cubs tonight.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:12 PM
Dear God, help us. Its' going to be a loooooooong October.

Cellview22
09-17-2007, 10:13 PM
The crowd had a lot to do with that comeback; the fans were up and go wild before the bottom of the 9th even started. I wish our fans showed this much passion and enthusiasm sometimes. Oh well... 2 weeks left of this mess. Hopefully the Brewers can stick with them and take the division.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:14 PM
The crowd had a lot to do with that comeback; the fans were up and go wild before the bottom of the 9th even started. I wish our fans showed this much passion and enthusiasm sometimes. Oh well... 2 weeks left of this mess. Hopefully the Brewers can stick with them and take the division.

Hard to care too much when you're in last place. I guess you never went to a game in 2005 and 2006.

kevingrt
09-17-2007, 10:14 PM
The crowd had a lot to do with that comeback; the fans were up and go wild before the bottom of the 9th even started. I wish our fans showed this much passion and enthusiasm sometimes. Oh well... 2 weeks left of this mess. Hopefully the Brewers can stick with them and take the division.

Were you at any games in 2005?

Fenway
09-17-2007, 10:17 PM
Must have been Ron Santo's singing

veeter
09-17-2007, 10:17 PM
David Weathers just handed them the division, essentially. Hard to believe he was once mentioned in the same breath as Jenks.Between Weathers and Turnbow, it's just sick. Harang will get them tomorrow.

QCIASOXFAN
09-17-2007, 10:17 PM
The crowd had a lot to do with that comeback; the fans were up and go wild before the bottom of the 9th even started. I wish our fans showed this much passion and enthusiasm sometimes. Oh well... 2 weeks left of this mess. Hopefully the Brewers can stick with them and take the division.
Maybe, but I say David Weathers had the most to do with it. God he sucks.

Cellview22
09-17-2007, 10:18 PM
Were you at any games in 2005?

Yeah, I was at Game 1 of the World Series.. and many more in '05. The crowd was never that wild, but then again nothing really dramatic happened at any of the games I was at. ..Game 2 was a different story. :D:

veeter
09-17-2007, 10:19 PM
The crowd had a lot to do with that comeback; the fans were up and go wild before the bottom of the 9th even started. I wish our fans showed this much passion and enthusiasm sometimes. Oh well... 2 weeks left of this mess. Hopefully the Brewers can stick with them and take the division.Say what?

AnkleSox
09-17-2007, 10:20 PM
Just the sight and sound of their fans going crazy makes me want to vomit. 3 and out would be very pleasant, but i guess I'm glad I'll be spending a lot of time outside of chicago during the month of October.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:20 PM
Yeah, I was at Game 1 of the World Series.. and many more in '05. The crowd was never that wild, but then again nothing really dramatic happened at any of the games I was at. ..Game 2 was a different story. :D:

Uh, did you go to the AJ walkoff against the Dodgers? Crede walkoff against the Indians?

pierzynski07
09-17-2007, 10:21 PM
They had the center fielder in the infield for that last play.

RadioheadRocks
09-17-2007, 10:22 PM
Unbelievable come back by the Cubs tonight.

Brew Crew still keeping pace with them.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:23 PM
Brew Crew still keeping pace with them.

They're done.

JB98
09-17-2007, 10:23 PM
Maybe, but I say David Weathers had the most to do with it. God he sucks.

David Weathers is a better closer than Bobby Jenks.

So spoke a few WSI geniuses in mid-July.

Cellview22
09-17-2007, 10:23 PM
It would be fun to see the Brewers stay within 1 of the Cubs... until the last week when they go on the road. All their fans will be optimistic, and then they'll completely choke on their last road trip. We can only hope!

JB98
09-17-2007, 10:24 PM
They're done.

The Brewers are still even in the loss column. The odds are against Milwaukee due to a tough schedule, but to discount the Brewers is premature.

spiffie
09-17-2007, 10:24 PM
I have a horrible fear the north side team just had their "JOE CREDE!" moment tonight.

Foulke You
09-17-2007, 10:27 PM
Yeah, I was at Game 1 of the World Series.. and many more in '05. The crowd was never that wild, but then again nothing really dramatic happened at any of the games I was at. ..Game 2 was a different story. :D:
You should get your hearing checked son. There were a LOT of loud games in '05 at The Cell. Ask anyone who was at this game:

:walkoff:

or this game:

http://chicagoist.com/attachments/chicago_benjy/2005_09_sports_sox_crede_gamewinner.jpg

not to mention the many playoff games like this one which I had the fortune of being at. After this HR it was absolutely deafening Cellview:

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2005/10/05/1128565121_3560.jpg

Foulke You
09-17-2007, 10:29 PM
David Weathers is a better closer than Bobby Jenks.

So spoke a few WSI geniuses in mid-July.
Holy crap! I must have missed those posts. David Weathers is a closer because the NL Central exists and hey, someone has to pitch there!:D:

Cellview22
09-17-2007, 10:30 PM
Uh, did you go to the AJ walkoff against the Dodgers? Crede walkoff against the Indians?

unfortunately no. Of all the games I've been to, over 50 I'd say, NONE have ended in dramatic fashion. I've seen some good games, but none where I was jumping up and down and going crazy. At the AJ walkoff vs Dodgers game, were the fans up and cheering before the bottom of the ninth? How crazy was the crowd?

ComiskeyBrewer
09-17-2007, 10:31 PM
They're done.

Why is that? Because they play one team with a winning record vs the cubs who play none? The Crew has been playing pretty decent ball since sheeter came back, however i honestly don't think it matters who wins(and it pains me to say that as i am a Brewers fan first), either team will get destroyed in the playoffs by Arizona/SD.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:32 PM
unfortunately no. Of all the games I've been to, over 50 I'd say, NONE have ended in dramatic fashion. I've seen some good games, but none where I was jumping up and down and going crazy. At the AJ walkoff vs Dodgers game, were the fans up and cheering before the bottom of the ninth? How crazy was the crowd?

Well the Sox were pretty lifeless going into the ninth. Down 3-1. There was a leadoff single and with every hit the crowd starting thinking a comeback was happening. When AJ came up, the place was standing, a sold out crowd. When he hit the ball, everyone went ****ing nuts!

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:34 PM
Why is that? Because they play one team with a winning record vs the cubs who play none? The Crew has been playing pretty decent ball since sheeter came back, however i honestly don't think it matters who wins(and it pains me to say that as i am a Brewers fan first), either team will get destroyed in the playoffs by Arizona/SD.

The Brewers bullpen is awful and they are ****ty on the road. The Cubs have that "it" thing. I hate it, but they do.

And, I wouldn't put it past any team to advance in the NL playoffs.

ChiSoxGirl
09-17-2007, 10:34 PM
Unbelievable come back by the Cubs tonight.

I just saw clips on the news, and those people were jumping up & down and waving their extremities around like it was Game 7 of the World Series. Please. :rolleyes:

I have a horrible fear the north side team just had their "JOE CREDE!" moment tonight.

God, I hope not. :praying: At least the real "JOE CREDE!" moment was against a team that was chasing us, not some team with 68 wins.

JB98
09-17-2007, 10:35 PM
The Brewers bullpen is awful and they are ****ty on the road. The Cubs have that "it" thing. I hate it, but they do.

And, I wouldn't put it past any team to advance in the NL playoffs.

The Cubs will lose. It's just a matter of when.

chisoxmike
09-17-2007, 10:36 PM
The Cubs will lose. It's just a matter of when.

:rolling:

I hope you're right, sir!

Viva Medias B's
09-17-2007, 10:37 PM
Well the Sox were pretty lifeless going into the ninth. Down 3-1. There was a leadoff single and with every hit the crowd starting thinking a comeback was happening. When AJ came up, the place was standing, a sold out crowd. When he hit the ball, everyone went ****ing nuts!

I was at that game, and the whole place turned into a madhouse.

Juice16
09-17-2007, 10:37 PM
The Cubs have a cake walk the rest of the season, as they have had since the all star brake. They still haven't won a series from a .500 team in a long time.

JB98
09-17-2007, 10:44 PM
The Cubs have a cake walk the rest of the season, as they have had since the all star brake. They still haven't won a series from a .500 team in a long time.

Cubs vs. Reds: 6-7
Cubs vs. Pirates: 5-7
Cubs vs. Marlins: 0-3

DBTH. The Cubs can blow this, no matter how weak their schedule is. Just look at what happened in 2004.

It's Time
09-17-2007, 11:06 PM
What an inning for the White Sox tonight!:smile: Oh, this is a Cubs/Crew thread. This win tonight could easily propel the Cubs into sweeping the homestand. It's just one of those wins you look back on.

2 more with the Reds and then the Pirates. The crew has a murderous schedule next week. This win by the Cubs could also deflate the Brewers as well. I'm sure the Crew were watching that game in the clubhouse, thinking they just moved into a tie for 1st place, and then the Cubs do that. Had to be like a punch in the nuts.

spiffie
09-17-2007, 11:10 PM
I just saw clips on the news, and those people were jumping up & down and waving their extremities around like it was Game 7 of the World Series. Please. :rolleyes:



God, I hope not. :praying: At least the real "JOE CREDE!" moment was against a team that was chasing us, not some team with 68 wins.
I suspect they looked much like us the night of the Joe Crede moment :wink:

It's Time
09-17-2007, 11:13 PM
I just saw clips on the news, and those people were jumping up & down and waving their extremities around like it was Game 7 of the World Series. Please. :rolleyes:.

You mean how any team would celebrate when they win in their last at bat when they are trying to make the playoffs?:wink:

kevingrt
09-17-2007, 11:14 PM
The Cubs have a cake walk the rest of the season, as they have had since the all star brake. They still haven't won a series from a .500 team in a long time.

Tied or one up in the division going into Cinci and the road trip to Ohio will bite them in the arse like it did late in '04. MARK IT DOWN! Brewers win the division.

It's Time
09-17-2007, 11:17 PM
Tied or one up in the division going into Cinci and the road trip to Ohio will bite them in the arse like it did late in '04. MARK IT DOWN! Brewers win the division.


Last week of the season.

Cubs>>>Reds

Padres>>Brewers (4 game series)

CHISOXFAN13
09-18-2007, 12:44 AM
Last week of the season.

Cubs>>>Reds

Padres>>Brewers (4 game series)

You haven't been paying much attention to the Cubs starting pitching obviously.

There is also a decent chance that the Padres will have clinched a playoff spot/the division by next week. Arizona blew a lead to SF at home tonight and it starting to falter.

I'll take my chances with the Brewers at Miller Park.

Flight #24
09-18-2007, 09:58 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like 2-4x/wk the Flubs have a game in which they score 2-4 runs in the last 2 innings and come from behind to win? Seems like it's been that way for about a month now, but that's just my perception.

Either they've got some magic on their side or they're due for a flop.

FielderJones
09-18-2007, 10:29 AM
Either they've got some magic on their side or they're due for a flop.

Or Onda is right about games being "influenced".

spiffie
09-18-2007, 10:38 AM
Or Onda is right about games being "influenced".
Eh, unless the umps were hitting bloop shots in the 9th they sure didn't win it for the Cubs last night. The walk to DeRosa was not really questionable, and then it was just shanks that fell right from there.

goon
09-18-2007, 10:52 AM
Yeah, I was at Game 1 of the World Series.. and many more in '05. The crowd was never that wild, but then again nothing really dramatic happened at any of the games I was at. ..Game 2 was a different story. :D:

Really? I was at Game 1 of the World Series and that place VERY loud more than a few times. JD's homer in the first, when Bobby fanned Bagwell in a tight spot, Crede's home run (and Taveras pounding on the wall when he missed it). In fact, it was the loudest sports game I have ever been too, easily.

SBSoxFan
09-18-2007, 10:53 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like 2-4x/wk the Flubs have a game in which they score 2-4 runs in the last 2 innings and come from behind to win? Seems like it's been that way for about a month now, but that's just my perception.

Either they've got some magic on their side or they're due for a flop.

Seems to me they've been doing that all year which makes me nervous that they might actually win the division. I know a lot of people think the Cubs will lose early and often in the playoffs, but I'd rather not take that chance!

PatK
09-18-2007, 11:45 AM
There was an intersting stat they posted early in the Cubs game last night.

Milwaukee has a 17-16 record against the teams remaining on their schedule.

Cubs have a 10-17 record.

This one's going down to the wire.

Mr.1Dog
09-18-2007, 12:24 PM
The sickening thing is they are already starting the magic number countdown on the news.:angry:

ilsox7
09-18-2007, 01:50 PM
The sickening thing is they are already starting the magic number countdown on the news.:angry:

Why wouldn't they?

jdm2662
09-18-2007, 01:52 PM
Why wouldn't they?

I have no idea. There is only 12 or games left. Makes no sense to me...

itsnotrequired
09-18-2007, 02:16 PM
The sickening thing is they are already starting the magic number countdown on the news.:angry:

Yahoo Sports puts the magic number in their standings once it gets down to 20.

chisoxmike
09-18-2007, 02:18 PM
The sickening thing is they are already starting the magic number countdown on the news.:angry:

The Trib and Sun-Times started printing ours when it was in the 60's. WSI started counting down in the TBGR's when it was at 15. :tongue:

soxinem1
09-18-2007, 02:40 PM
God this kills me........

The Cubs are going to win the Central...........

However, unlike every other sole on the planet.......I do not think they will win the whole thing just cause the Cards did last year.

I always enjoy asking Cub fans why the answer to why they will win it all isn't because they have x, y or z .....it's because the Cards won it last year.
Usually handcuffed by a living in the past comment:D:

The Cards winning 83 games last year was a result of huge injury issues.

Once playoff time rolled around, they had most of their line up back, and didn't have either Mulder or Isringhausen for the post season.

What is the cubs excuse? They had a few injuries, so what? Who doesn't.

We'll raise the question again in about 30 days and see what happened.....

voodoochile
09-18-2007, 02:51 PM
God this kills me........

The Cubs are going to win the Central...........

However, unlike every other sole on the planet.......I do not think they will win the whole thing just cause the Cards did last year.

I always enjoy asking Cub fans why the answer to why they will win it all isn't because they have x, y or z .....it's because the Cards won it last year.
Usually handcuffed by a living in the past comment:D:

Don't worry about those others, times wounds all heels. Maybe it's time to put your foot down and declare you aren't going to take it anymore. You can also try stamping your feet and holding your breath, just not until you turn blue... :tongue:

itsnotrequired
09-18-2007, 02:52 PM
The Cards winning 83 games last year was a result of huge injury issues.

Once playoff time rolled around, they had most of their line up back, and didn't have either Mulder or Isringhausen for the post season.

What is the cubs excuse? They had a few injuries, so what? Who doesn't.

We'll raise the question again in about 30 days and see what happened.....

St. Louis almost clowned it last year as they were up by 7 games at the start of play on September 20. They would see that lead dwindle to 1.5 games after a 7 game losing streak and the lead fell to only a half game on September 28. During the same time frame, Houston went on a 9 game winning streak and almost caught them. Had they not dropped 2 of their last 3, who knows what would have happened...

Fenway
09-18-2007, 05:11 PM
IF Boston makes it to the series the Cubs are the last team I want to see. The FOX and ESPN hype machine would explode.

TommyJohn
09-18-2007, 05:53 PM
IF Boston makes it to the series the Cubs are the last team I want to see. The FOX and ESPN hype machine would explode.

I don't see why. Boston won in 2004. I'll go daffy if it is hyped as a "lovable
underdog" series. The Cubs and Boston are underdogs like Microsoft is an
underdog.

mjmcend
09-18-2007, 06:37 PM
I don't see why. Boston won in 2004. I'll go daffy if it is hyped as a "lovable
underdog" series. The Cubs and Boston are underdogs like Microsoft is an
underdog.

What you don't find rooting for U.S. Steel cute and cuddly?

UserNameBlank
09-18-2007, 06:59 PM
Rooting hard for the Brewers, but voting for the Cubs. In a "race" between two teams who don't want it, I have to go with the veteran team. I can't see them getting past the Mets though if they get that far. The Mets have a better rotation and their offense is sick and balanced, plus their defense is light-years better than the Flubs. If that series happens the Cubs will be totally exposed.

UserNameBlank
09-18-2007, 07:05 PM
I don't see why. Boston won in 2004. I'll go daffy if it is hyped as a "lovable
underdog" series. The Cubs and Boston are underdogs like Microsoft is an
underdog.
Yeah, I don't get the correlation between a perennially underachieving excuse machine and an underdog. Usually underdogs rise to the occaision when the odds are stacked against them, not fail miserably time and again while being heavily favored.

jfinsocal
09-18-2007, 07:31 PM
Living in San Diego, I am hoping that the Padres continue to roll off some wins so I can head down to Petco next weekend and cheer for the Brewers.

The Dodgers and Phillies aren't cooperating though.

HomeFish
09-18-2007, 09:35 PM
Sigh here comes the Cincy bullpen.

It's Time
09-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Sigh here comes the Cincy bullpen.

And the Cubs will find themselves tied for 1st place tomorrow when they wake up.:D:

soxwon
09-18-2007, 10:01 PM
Rooting hard for the Brewers, but voting for the Cubs. In a "race" between two teams who don't want it, I have to go with the veteran team. I can't see them getting past the Mets though if they get that far. The Mets have a better rotation and their offense is sick and balanced, plus their defense is light-years better than the Flubs. If that series happens the Cubs will be totally exposed.

But the wsox get criticized for being a veteran team.

oeo
09-18-2007, 10:02 PM
And the Cubs will find themselves tied for 1st place tomorrow when they wake up.:D:

But the bad news is, Sheets is hurt again (http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070918&content_id=2216523&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil). :(:

It's Time
09-18-2007, 10:07 PM
But the bad news is, Sheets is hurt again (http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070918&content_id=2216523&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil). :(:

Yeah, that could be a death blow to them if he misses his last two starts. The Crew had to burn through their pen tonight and with the Braves coming up next, then the Cards and Padres, they have to have him.

JB98
09-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Yeah, that could be a death blow to them if he misses his last two starts. The Crew had to burn through their pen tonight and with the Braves coming up next, then the Cards and Padres, they have to have him.

Stupid move by Yost to throw Sheets on three-days rest.

Even if Sheets is less than 100 percent, he needs to get out there for his next start. 80 percent of him is better than any of the other Brewers starters. His team needs him desperately.

Viva Medias B's
09-18-2007, 10:33 PM
Stupid move by Yost to throw Sheets on three-days rest.

Even if Sheets is less than 100 percent, he needs to get out there for his next start. 80 percent of him is better than any of the other Brewers starters. His team needs him desperately.

Piniella also threw Zambrano on three-days' rest too, and it evidently showed tonight.

It's Time
09-18-2007, 10:37 PM
Stupid move by Yost to throw Sheets on three-days rest.

Even if Sheets is less than 100 percent, he needs to get out there for his next start. 80 percent of him is better than any of the other Brewers starters. His team needs him desperately.

Agreed. I'll go out on a limb here and say that if Sheets misses then rest of the season, the Crew will lose the division. They have to have him for his scheduled starts against the Braves (Sunday) and then against the Padres (next Friday).

It's Time
09-18-2007, 10:39 PM
Piniella also threw Zambrano on three-days' rest too, and it evidently showed tonight.

But Sheets got hurt and has been hurt, which is why he needs the extra day. Zambrano just isn't used to it.

FielderJones
09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
And the Cubs will find themselves tied for 1st place tomorrow when they wake up.:D:

If both teams were to win out, the Crew would take the division. Not that either of those teams is capable of such a feat. But one game up in the loss column is good.

nsolo
09-19-2007, 07:38 AM
I don't have one molecule in me that roots for the cubs. Go Brew Crew.
I'm reminded of the old beer commercial...."I love you, Man!"

The Dude
09-19-2007, 08:25 AM
I really can't see the Brewers winning this god awful division. Now with Sheets out, I think that subtracts 1 or 2 more wins which at the pace these teams play, should be enough for the Cubs to win this crap. I can't see them getting past the first round but I was wrong last year about the Cardinals. :o:

JB98
09-19-2007, 06:49 PM
I really can't see the Brewers winning this god awful division. Now with Sheets out, I think that subtracts 1 or 2 more wins which at the pace these teams play, should be enough for the Cubs to win this crap. I can't see them getting past the first round but I was wrong last year about the Cardinals. :o:

Yost said the Sheets injury might have just been a cramp. They were going to evaluate again today, but I haven't heard any word on that yet.

http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070918&content_id=2216523&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil

HomeFish
09-19-2007, 09:23 PM
Majewski is serving it up on the North Side. Who wants some, it's piping hot.

JB98
09-19-2007, 09:48 PM
Yost gives a game away by walking Berkman intentionally to get to El Caballo. Stupid.

chisoxmike
09-19-2007, 09:53 PM
Yost gives a game away by walking Berkman intentionally to get to El Caballo. Stupid.

Is that a joke? Or did he really do that? Unreal.

The Immigrant
09-19-2007, 10:01 PM
Rickie Weeks just tied it with a 2-run shot against Lidge. Only one out in the top of the 9th.

TDog
09-19-2007, 10:06 PM
Yost gives a game away by walking Berkman intentionally to get to El Caballo. Stupid.

Most intentional walks are stupid. Jim Leyland put the winning run on base with an intentional walk against the Indians earlier this year. And he lost, that intentional walk coming around to score the winning run. But he's a genius.

Many sacrifices are stupid, too. The sacrifice against Jenks in the ninth inning of Game 4 of the 2005 World Series mean the Sox only had to get two outs -- on two great plays by Juan Uribe -- to win the World Series. But the manager who made that mistake was eventually fired.

JB98
09-19-2007, 10:22 PM
Most intentional walks are stupid. Jim Leyland put the winning run on base with an intentional walk against the Indians earlier this year. And he lost, that intentional walk coming around to score the winning run. But he's a genius.

Many sacrifices are stupid, too. The sacrifice against Jenks in the ninth inning of Game 4 of the 2005 World Series mean the Sox only had to get two outs -- on two great plays by Juan Uribe -- to win the World Series. But the manager who made that mistake was eventually fired.

Yost is off the hook, for now, thanks to Lidge showing his 2005 postseason form. Still, just a silly move. Lee had already homered earlier in the game, and Berkman is hitless tonight.

When facing the Astros, Caballo is the one guy you can't let hurt you.

champagne030
09-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Yost is off the hook, for now, thanks to Lidge showing his 2005 postseason form. Still, just a silly move. Lee had already homered earlier in the game, and Berkman is hitless tonight.

When facing the Astros, Caballo is the one guy you can't let hurt you.

Yost is not off the hook in my book. He continues to bring in Turnblow on a regular basis......I don't care who's available, they're better than Derrick.

ChiSoxGirl
09-19-2007, 10:36 PM
Brewers blew it again; Houston wins 5-4 on a single by Hunter Pence, scoring Brandon Backe. :angry:

It's Time
09-19-2007, 10:41 PM
Ok, Ned Yost is a boob!

How do you bring in Matt Wise in a game like that KNOWING the Cubs just beat the Reds? Cordero left to waste in the pen and not only that, Yost used, what, six pitchers tonight?

Sheets could miss the rest of the season and Yost manages like that tonight. LOL!!

:rolleyes:

It's Time
09-20-2007, 12:25 AM
Brewers fans are just about ready to hang Ned Yost. This is from brewerfan.net:

Series Finale said:

"This loss tonight was really huge. It's too late and the stakes are too high for this garbage.

From the IGT tonight, jrdave2304 wrote:

"assuming the Cubs go 5-4, which considering who they're facing they should at least do, we'll need to take 3 of 4 from either the Braves or Padres, at least split the other one and sweep the Cardinals (because it's hard to see us taking 3 of 4 from both the Padres and the Braves considering the aces each team has).

we really need some help from the Pirates, Marlins, and Reds "

We'd need to go 8-3 to win the division--if they go just 5-4.

If they go, say, 7-2 (entirely possible) we can only afford one--one!--more loss if we want to win it outright.

Bugger. http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/indifferent.gif



Series Finale said:

"I'm kinda mellow on tequila and grapefruit soda right now...all I can do at the moment is shake my head and laugh at Ned's moves tonight.

Tomorrow though I'll probably be raging with the force of a hurricane. These were season-ending and job-losing moves tonight, folks".

Domeshot17
09-20-2007, 02:44 AM
I'm really pulling for the Brewers and I hope they pull this out but the Cubs have an absolute cupcake schedule going down the stretch which is why they'll probably end up backing into the playoffs a game or two ahead of the Brewers. The Brewers have to play Atlanta and San Diego in the last two weeks and they play more road games than home games. If San Diego is still fighting for a playoff berth in that last series, it is going to be very tough for Milwaukee to win. We're going to need a lot of help from the Pirates and the Reds for the Cubs not to make the postseason.

Yup, this is hitting the nail on the head. The Brewers lost sheets again, and can't even sweep the Astros. Its going to take a massive choke job by the Cubs to miss the playoffs. The Brewers have 2 teams fighting to get in (both more talented then them) and the Cubs are playing 2 really bad teams. Brewers being a game back, I would say have a 35% chance to win the division.

hi im skot
09-20-2007, 08:32 AM
Yup, this is hitting the nail on the head. The Brewers lost sheets again, and can't even sweep the Astros. Its going to take a massive choke job by the Cubs to miss the playoffs. The Brewers have 2 teams fighting to get in (both more talented then them) and the Cubs are playing 2 really bad teams. Brewers being a game back, I would say have a 35% chance to win the division.

Cliche alert:
To be the best you've got to beat the best.

If the Brewers miss out on the playoffs, they deserve it. I'm still rooting for them like crazy, though. They've been a fun team to watch this season.

Johnnydogs
09-20-2007, 08:36 AM
Yup, this is hitting the nail on the head. The Brewers lost sheets again, and can't even sweep the Astros. Its going to take a massive choke job by the Cubs to miss the playoffs. The Brewers have 2 teams fighting to get in (both more talented then them) and the Cubs are playing 2 really bad teams. Brewers being a game back, I would say have a 35% chance to win the division.

It's actually worse than that. BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php) says the Brewers have a 28% chance to win the division right now (that's actually the best odds). PECOTA (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php) odds are 27% and ELO (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddselo.php) odds are 22%.

The Pirates have adjusted their rotation for the next series against the Cubs so they'll be pitching 3 lefties against them; two of which (Zack Duke and Tom Gorzelanny) have dominated the Cubs. The Brewers will have their hands full with Tim Hudson and Smoltz in ATL however.

hi im skot
09-20-2007, 08:40 AM
It's actually worse than that. BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php) says the Brewers have a 28% chance to win the division right now (that's actually the best odds). PECOTA (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php) odds are 27% and ELO (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddselo.php) odds are 22%.

The Pirates have adjusted their rotation for the next series against the Cubs so they'll be pitching 3 lefties against them; two of which (Zack Duke and Tom Gorzelanny) have dominated the Cubs. The Brewers will have their hands full with Tim Hudson and Smoltz in ATL however.

Didn't BP give the Sox horrible odds to win the Central after they already clinched?

Johnnydogs
09-20-2007, 08:45 AM
Didn't BP give the Sox horrible odds to win the Central after they already clinched?

No.

russ99
09-20-2007, 08:47 AM
The only thing the Brewers have in their favor is the teams the Cubs play the rest of the way have historically given them a hard time despite their poor records. Also, after the next three, the Cubs finish on the road.

Lilly seems to be the only guy the Cubs have that can put in a dominating pitching performance the rest of the way, and he's only pitching twice, so there is a chance the Cubs could go around .500 or possibly less the rest of the way.

I'd say the Cubs have a 60% chance at this point, but I still think it's going down to the last day or two.

if the Brewers can win 3 (or 4) out of 4 this weekend in Atlanta that will drastically increase their chances.

WizardsofOzzie
09-20-2007, 08:50 AM
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5725/905finalsatmoundpx6.jpg

State Championship Player: Oh we are going down, we are going to get creamed.
Kyle: No. We are going to get creamed

Chips
09-20-2007, 08:55 AM
Didn't BP give the Sox horrible odds to win the Central after they already clinched?

No.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that skot is right.

Johnnydogs
09-20-2007, 09:06 AM
The only thing the Brewers have in their favor is the teams the Cubs play the rest of the way have historically given them a hard time despite their poor records. Also, after the next three, the Cubs finish on the road.

Lilly seems to be the only guy the Cubs have that can put in a dominating pitching performance the rest of the way, and he's only pitching twice, so there is a chance the Cubs could around .500 or possibly less the rest of the way.

if the Brewers can win 3 (or 4) out of 4 this weekend in Atlanta that will drastically increase their chances.

The Cubs play the same home and away. I just don't see the Brewers winning 3 of 4 in ATL. Also, I looked it up last night and the Brewers, although 47-27 overall at home, have only been 18-14 at home since the All Star Break. It's going to be a tall order for them to win 3 of 4 from the Padres at home--especially if the Padres are still fighting to hold on to a playoff spot. Anything can happen but they are 1-2 vs ATL and 0-3 vs the SD so far this season (and the series loss to the Braves was at Miller Park). Looks like they will need help from Cubs opponents to win the division.

Johnnydogs
09-20-2007, 09:12 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that skot is right.

If that's the case it was an issue updating their system. The odds change nightly depending on wins, losses, and upcoming games. I've noticed that sometimes it takes a few hours longer to see the adjusted stats... But that doesn't mean they are flawed (of course, like all stats there is a small percentage of error) just that the correct info hadn't been posted. The numbers are objective; they aren't trying to favor one team or another. At one point this season, the Brewers had an 83% probability of winning the Central then they went on a losing streak.

spiffie
09-20-2007, 09:26 AM
If that's the case it was an issue updating their system. The odds change nightly depending on wins, losses, and upcoming games. I've noticed that sometimes it takes a few hours longer to see the adjusted stats... But that doesn't mean they are flawed (of course, like all stats there is a small percentage of error) just that the correct info hadn't been posted. The numbers are objective; they aren't trying to favor one team or another. At one point this season, the Brewers had an 83% probability of winning the Central then they went on a losing streak.
No, because the system guesses based on the definition of winning being "having one more win than any other team in the division" rather than "same amount of wins but having the tiebreaker in hand) the day the Sox clinched the division (by virtue of not being able to have less wins than the Indians and being guaranteed the tiebreaker) the BP system said the Sox were 88% to win. Because BP is (mostly justifiably) despised by most members of this site, that anomaly is quoted pretty much every time that BP is mentioned as a proof that nothing BP ever says could possibly be correct.

So in short, quoting BP to prove a point never works well.

hi im skot
09-20-2007, 09:29 AM
So in short, quoting BP to prove a point never works well.


:bandance:

SBSoxFan
09-20-2007, 09:33 AM
The Cubs play the same home and away. I just don't see the Brewers winning 3 of 4 in ATL. Also, I looked it up last night and the Brewers, although 47-27 overall at home, have only been 18-14 at home since the All Star Break. It's going to be a tall order for them to win 3 of 4 from the Padres at home--especially if the Padres are still fighting to hold on to a playoff spot. Anything can happen but they are 1-2 vs ATL and 0-3 vs the SD so far this season (and the series loss to the Braves was at Miller Park). Looks like they will need help from Cubs opponents to win the division.


You're right, but being on the road is still likely to be a disadvantage.

I watched a couple innings of the game last night, and I have to ask: Have people been swinging at high fastballs all year against Lilly?

The Cubs are eking out wins at home against really bad teams. I hope this doesn't propel them to anything.

The Reds should have at least won 2 of 3. Their closer blew the first one, then it took Jr. to play about the worst game of his life for the Cubs to win last night. He hit into a DP, struck out 3 times, and made an error to let the lead run into scoring position. Add in a blown call by the 3B ump, the windmill 3B coach, and guys swinging at 88 mph fastballs at their shoulders ... :rolleyes:

Johnnydogs
09-20-2007, 09:39 AM
No, because the system guesses based on the definition of winning being "having one more win than any other team in the division" rather than "same amount of wins but having the tiebreaker in hand) the day the Sox clinched the division (by virtue of not being able to have less wins than the Indians and being guaranteed the tiebreaker) the BP system said the Sox were 88% to win. Because BP is (mostly justifiably) despised by most members of this site, that anomaly is quoted pretty much every time that BP is mentioned as a proof that nothing BP ever says could possibly be correct.

So in short, quoting BP to prove a point never works well.

I don't have an issue with BP and I don't think they have an issue with the Sox. People can think what they wish about specific BP writers having bias but I don't have a problem with the stats. While PECOTA is marketed by BP, ELO is an independent stat. Baseball Prospectus is just listing the probability they can't predict things like injuries, errors, unforeseen hot or cold streaks, etc.

chisoxmike
09-20-2007, 09:48 AM
It's actually worse than that. BP (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php) says the Brewers have a 28% chance to win the division right now (that's actually the best odds). PECOTA (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddspec.php) odds are 27% and ELO (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_oddselo.php) odds are 22%.



Might as well not even play the games! After all, the Sox only had a 90% chance of winning the division in 2005 AFTER they'd clinched.

Chips
09-20-2007, 09:50 AM
I don't have an issue with BP and I don't think they have an issue with the Sox. People can think what they wish about specific BP writers having bias but I don't have a problem with the stats. While PECOTA is marketed by BP, ELO is an independent stat. Baseball Prospectus is just listing the probability they can't predict things like injuries, errors, unforeseen hot or cold streaks, etc.

Where I come from, ELO is a fantastic band, not a baseball stat. :party:

Johnnydogs
09-20-2007, 09:59 AM
Might as well not even play the games! After all, the Sox only had a 90% chance of winning the division in 2005 AFTER they'd clinched.


Hmmm, yeah that was my point. There's really no reason to get upset with BP or stats in general. Anybody looking at this thing would have to agree that the Brewers don't have the best odds. That doesn't mean they can't win it means they are probably going to have to play flawlessly and get some breaks to do so.

russ99
09-20-2007, 02:56 PM
You're right, but being on the road is still likely to be a disadvantage.

I watched a couple innings of the game last night, and I have to ask: Have people been swinging at high fastballs all year against Lilly?

The Cubs are eking out wins at home against really bad teams. I hope this doesn't propel them to anything.

The Reds should have at least won 2 of 3. Their closer blew the first one, then it took Jr. to play about the worst game of his life for the Cubs to win last night. He hit into a DP, struck out 3 times, and made an error to let the lead run into scoring position. Add in a blown call by the 3B ump, the windmill 3B coach, and guys swinging at 88 mph fastballs at their shoulders ... :rolleyes:

While I do agree the Brewers have a harder road, the Cubs seem to play to the level of the competition. So while it will be hard for the Brewers to win 3 of 4 from Atlanta and 2 of 3 from San Diego (and likely slaughter St. Louis) the Cubs will have their hands full with Pittsburgh and in Florida & Cincy, all hustle teams who the Cubs always seem to have problems with.

This division's been horrible all year. So I can't see why it won't be any different the last week and a half. Both teams will likely limp in to the last weekend and a lucky break might win it.

champagne030
09-20-2007, 10:24 PM
While I do agree the Brewers have a harder road, the Cubs seem to play to the level of the competition. So while it will be hard for the Brewers to win 3 of 4 from Atlanta and 2 of 3 from San Diego (and likely slaughter St. Louis) the Cubs will have their hands full with Pittsburgh and in Florida & Cincy, all hustle teams who the Cubs always seem to have problems with.

This division's been horrible all year. So I can't see why it won't be any different the last week and a half. Both teams will likely limp in to the last weekend and a lucky break might win it.

The flubs are 13-23 vs. D-backs, Dodgers, Mets, Phillies and Padres. They don't play to the level of their competition. They're a marginal team playing in a very lousy division that plays in a weak league.

chisoxmike
09-21-2007, 04:08 PM
Took 2 of 3 from the Reds and now 13-7 Cubs in the bottom of the 8th against the Pirates. Yeah, Cubs are really playing down to the level of competition. :rolleyes:

This race is over.

October26
09-21-2007, 04:20 PM
Took 2 of 3 from the Reds and now 13-7 Cubs in the bottom of the 8th against the Pirates. Yeah, Cubs are really playing down to the level of competition. :rolleyes:

This race is over.
I agree. Milwaukee does not have the bullpen or offense that the flubs do. Sadly, I believe the flubs will easily win the Central Division title. They have such an easy schedule the rest of the way and clearly, they are on a roll. Every flubs win puts more pressure on the Brewers and decreases their magic number; this is unfortunate. I really liked that Brewers team a lot.

WizardsofOzzie
09-21-2007, 04:46 PM
Took 2 of 3 from the Reds and now 13-7 Cubs in the bottom of the 8th against the Pirates. Yeah, Cubs are really playing down to the level of competition. :rolleyes:

This race is over.
"So what, they'll blow it in the playoffs. They will, they will, they'll blow it in the playoffs"- Major League 2

Couldn't find a darn picture of the guy though!

chisoxmike
09-21-2007, 04:50 PM
"So what, they'll blow it in the playoffs. They will, they will, they'll blow it in the playoffs"- Major League 2

Couldn't find a darn picture of the guy though!

Thats alright, the South Park picture is pretty good! :D:

jenn2080
09-21-2007, 04:51 PM
Milwaukee is done. Cubs are gonna win the division, but I do not see them getting any farther than that.

captainclutch24
09-21-2007, 04:54 PM
The Cubs won today giving them a two game edge in the central and an 8 for an elimination number with Milwaulkee still to play today.

Milwaulkees schedule Cubs Schedule
3 @ ATL 1 w 2L 2 v. Pitt 2W
3 v. STL 2w 1L 3 @ Fla 2W 1L
4 v. SD 1 W 3L 3 v. Cinn 2W 1 L

Milwaulkees schedule this weekend and next is whats going to kill them because the Padres are still playing for a divison title and a wild card spot. I think the Cubs will win the division Thursday, friday at the latest. I think the Cubs will finish with 87 wins, 86 atleast. The Brewers will finish 4 or 5 games back when its all said and done

veeter
09-21-2007, 05:04 PM
I love the fact that Pittsburgh adjusted their rotation to throw three lefties at the flubs. And Cincy really looked determined to win those games also. Although those teams can't seem to win much, I love the fact they hate the cubs. With a little tweaking the Bucs and Reds could surpass the whole divison next year, IMO.

Foulke You
09-21-2007, 05:18 PM
We should start cinching it up and hunkering down for the Cub hype machine to kick into overdrive when they get in the playoffs. Live remotes from Wrigleyville for every local news and radio station, glowing articles about the Cubs from cover to cover in all the papers discussing important topics like Billy Goats, Jim Belushi interviews, Bartman balls/spaghetti sauce, and most important of all...the quest begins for CHICAGO's first ever baseball Championship in almost 100 years! I almost forgot...the most loyal incredible baseball fans on the planet will be praised for snatching up playoff tickets in record time and paying thousands from a scalper for a chance to see history made!! I can't wait!

veeter
09-21-2007, 05:54 PM
We should start cinching it up and hunkering down for the Cub hype machine to kick into overdrive when they get in the playoffs. Live remotes from Wrigleyville for every local news and radio station, glowing articles about the Cubs from cover to cover in all the papers discussing important topics like Billy Goats, Jim Belushi interviews, Bartman balls/spaghetti sauce, and most important of all...the quest begins for CHICAGO's first ever baseball Championship in almost 100 years! I almost forgot...the most loyal incredible baseball fans on the planet will be praised for snatching up playoff tickets in record time and paying thousands from a scalper for a chance to see history made!! I can't wait!You're right. But 2003 was a sobering experience. I mean they were a freakin' lock for the pennant. They couldn't lose. But they did. And that team was so much better than this conglomerate, it's not even funny. Weird things happen in baseball, but they're good for maybe one win in the playoffs.

MarySwiss
09-21-2007, 06:30 PM
You're right. But 2003 was a sobering experience. I mean they were a freakin' lock for the pennant. They couldn't lose. But they did. And that team was so much better than this conglomerate, it's not even funny. Weird things happen in baseball, but they're good for maybe one win in the playoffs.

From your lips to God's ear. But I still can't help thinking about that Cards win last year. Accidents DO happen! :(:

JB98
09-21-2007, 06:43 PM
From your lips to God's ear. But I still can't help thinking about that Cards win last year. Accidents DO happen! :(:

Mary, you are forgetting the Cardinals won 100 games in both 2004 and 2005. They had guys who knew how to win up and down that lineup. Their record was poor in 2006 due to injuries, but they still had the same core that had posted lofty records the previous two seasons.

No comparison with these Cubs.

MarySwiss
09-21-2007, 07:33 PM
Mary, you are forgetting the Cardinals won 100 games in both 2004 and 2005. They had guys who knew how to win up and down that lineup. Their record was poor in 2006 due to injuries, but they still had the same core that had posted lofty records the previous two seasons.

No comparison with these Cubs.
Now that makes me feel better! :D:

veeter
09-21-2007, 08:47 PM
I love listening to Sutcliffe cry that the Brewers took the lead over the Braves. He's very disappointed his cubbies won't gain any ground tonight. Man, the Brewers have heart.

JB98
09-21-2007, 08:58 PM
I love listening to Sutcliffe cry that the Brewers took the lead over the Braves. He's very disappointed his cubbies won't gain any ground tonight. Man, the Brewers have heart.

The Brewers have to find a way to hang in there over the weekend. If they are still 1.5 back at the end of play on Sunday, I think they have a shot. They are at home next week while the Flubs are on the road.

I don't think Milwaukee can afford much more slippage, however.

veeter
09-21-2007, 09:03 PM
I know this sounds crazy, but I think the Pirates can win the next two.

JB98
09-21-2007, 09:06 PM
I know this sounds crazy, but I think the Pirates can win the next two.

Duke is pitching tomorrow, and Gorzellanny (sp?) goes on Sunday. Both are traditional Cub-killers. Hopefully, Pittsburgh can take at least one.

The Immigrant
09-21-2007, 09:29 PM
Huge win for the Brew Crew tonight, considering they were down 1:0 in the 8th. If they can finish the weekend no worse than 1.5 games out, I like their chances.

FedEx227
09-22-2007, 12:25 AM
Brewers have been great at home, so it'd be nice to see them rifle off some games in this next week.

And two of my favorite young pitchers go up against the Cubs, lets go guys.

white sox bill
09-22-2007, 06:32 PM
Braves just won in extra innings--damn! I was on phone w/cub fan friend and he yells "Atlanta wins" There his orgasm for the PM I guess. C'mon Brew Crew and Pirates go get em tomorrow!

Cellview22
09-22-2007, 06:49 PM
A torturous 5 months of baseball is finally coming to a climax.. :whiner:

I'm an avid news and tv viewer, so it's gonna be hard not watching tv in the next 2 weeks. I'll probably give in and watch. It's like passing a bad car accident, you can't look away, you have to watch.

The worst part about the playoff picture is the first round matchups. The Flubs will most likely play the first 2 games in Phoenix, where the majority of the fans will be dressed in blue with "It's Gonna Happen" signs. The fans in Phoenix, for whatever reason, do not support their hometown team. :rolleyes:
So basically the "diehard Cubs fans" living in Phoenix will give the Flubs an edge, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the Flubbies advance to the NLCS. Then the whole world will fall apart.. unless Bartman comes out of hiding.

MarySwiss
09-22-2007, 08:16 PM
A torturous 5 months of baseball is finally coming to a climax.. :whiner:

I'm an avid news and tv viewer, so it's gonna be hard not watching tv in the next 2 weeks. I'll probably give in and watch. It's like passing a bad car accident, you can't look away, you have to watch.

The worst part about the playoff picture is the first round matchups. The Flubs will most likely play the first 2 games in Phoenix, where the majority of the fans will be dressed in blue with "It's Gonna Happen" signs. The fans in Phoenix, for whatever reason, do not support their hometown team. :rolleyes:
So basically the "diehard Cubs fans" living in Phoenix will give the Flubs an edge, and it wouldn't surprise me to see the Flubbies advance to the NLCS. Then the whole world will fall apart.. unless Bartman comes out of hiding.

For about the zillionth time, the reason is that many of the people who live in Phoenix and suburbs are not from there originally. The D'Backs are my favorite NL team, but if it came down to D'Backs vs. Sox, what do you think? If it comes down to Cubs vs D'Backs, I'll be rooting for the D'Backs, but I'm not going to be busting my ass to get tickets to the games, the way I would if it were Sox/D'Backs. So yeah, Cubs fans in Phoenix--and there are a bunch--will be busting their asses to get tickets to the games.

However, I really don't think that will make a difference. The D'Backs are way better than the Cubs. And these are pros; they will not lose because of a lack of fan support.

BTW, let's wait and see, shall we? D'Backs fans may surprise you.

JermaineDye05
09-22-2007, 08:25 PM
How can teams as crappy as the Brewers and Cubs make it to the playoffs while teams better then both are forced to sit at home and watch? Well hopefully a deserving team will win the WS this year, I'm pulling for the Angels or Padres this year.

chisoxmike
09-22-2007, 08:59 PM
RIP Brewers

April 2, 2007 - September 22, 2007.

CubKilla
09-22-2007, 10:39 PM
RIP Brewers

April 2, 2007 - September 22, 2007.

There's still a week to go. Didn't the '04 version choke up a 2.5 game lead the last week of that season? And, if I'm not mistaken, the Cubs will have to face Arroyo (should have lost that game earlier this week), Harang (L), and Shear (?-might have the name wrong and the game he started could have gone either way) in Cincinnati to finish it up. Granted, we'll need the Marlins to come up big and take at least 2 of 3, but I'm not throwing in the towel yet.

But I'll admit, it doesn't look good. Go Southside Gorzelanny!

itsnotrequired
09-22-2007, 11:31 PM
RIP Brewers

April 2, 2007 - September 22, 2007.

chisoxmike = big hater

DumpJerry
09-22-2007, 11:48 PM
chisoxmike = big hater
I don't know, INR. It's looking like a long three days in October for us (yes, the Cubs, a team that cannot win against the East or West this year will be three and out in the NLDS).

I take perverse pleasure knowing the most games the Cubs can win this year is 89, less than the White Sox last year or next year.

HomeFish
09-22-2007, 11:53 PM
I don't know, INR. It's looking like a long three days in October for us (yes, the Cubs, a team that cannot win against the East or West this year will be three and out in the NLDS).

I take perverse pleasure knowing the most games the Cubs can win this year is 89, less than the White Sox last year or next year.

Are we talking about the same NL here? Nobody in that league is unbeatable. Any team can bet any other team on any given day. It's a true crapshot.

Grzegorz
09-23-2007, 04:40 AM
Are we talking about the same NL here? Nobody in that league is unbeatable. Any team can bet any other team on any given day. It's a true crapshot.

Damned right; the NL is mediocrity personified. Any playoff bound NL team can beat any other playoff bound NL on a given day. It's time to get out the fire retardant clothing just in case.

kittle42
09-23-2007, 05:32 AM
I for one am looking forward to the daily wraparound sections in the newspapers, the unending drunken orgasms of thousands of blue-clad fans and "fans" in my neighborhood, and the corresponding national coverage of Chicago's long-time World Series drought ending!

TommyJohn
09-23-2007, 09:43 AM
and the corresponding national coverage of Chicago's long-time World Series drought ending!


This is in teal, but it is true. We will see doubtless see the phrase "City gets
first World Series title since 1908" in quotes somewhere.

Chicago media will simply say "this is so much more special than 2005" and
will go back to pretending that 2005 never happened.

hi im skot
09-23-2007, 10:48 AM
This is in teal, but it is true. We will see doubtless see the phrase "City gets
first World Series title since 1908" in quotes somewhere.

Chicago media will simply say "this is so much more special than 2005" and
will go back to pretending that 2005 never happened.

**** 'em. The Sox won in 2005, making that baseball season the most magical one I've ever been a part of.

No one can take that away from me, or any other Sox fans.

chisoxmike
09-23-2007, 11:00 AM
chisoxmike = big hater

:booty:


:party:

DumpJerry
09-23-2007, 02:26 PM
I am a firm believer that come November 15th this year we will be able to say that there are more people alive worldwide who were around the last time the White Sox won the World Series than when the Cubs last won it. (several billion vs. 500 or so).

hi im skot
09-23-2007, 03:14 PM
Brewers are dead. Bullpen blows it again.

Cubs up 6-0.

Ugh.

white sox bill
09-23-2007, 03:18 PM
Just a matter of time now...I look for them to clinch by weeks end. I sure wouldn't count them out either, anything can happen in playoffs. (3 and out sounds good though ):smile:

JermaineDye05
09-23-2007, 03:36 PM
Cub fans are blind I swear, they act as if this is the best Cubs team ever or at least in a while. I personally think the 03 team was a hell of lot better then this garbage that's limping into the playoffs.

twentywontowin
09-23-2007, 03:39 PM
Did anyone just see what happened at Wrigley when they put Atlanta runs up on the visiting scoreboard? The whole stadium is doing the tomahawk chop.

Pathetic.

white sox bill
09-23-2007, 03:39 PM
Anyone wanna bet how many books are going to be written on this 07 team? A team of destiny! Do I get pulled over?

FedEx227
09-23-2007, 03:44 PM
Did anyone just see what happened at Wrigley when they put Atlanta runs up on the visiting scoreboard? The whole stadium is doing the tomahawk chop.

Pathetic.

I'm surprised most of the frat boys there even know the teams name in Atlanta. Or where Atlanta is for that matter.

Cellview22
09-23-2007, 03:45 PM
We limped into the playoffs in '05. Then once we clinched, we started dominating. I hope that doesn't happen with the Cubs. They're 10 games over .500 now, and they're not exactly playing bad baseball. Hopefully 2 weeks from now, they'll have already been swept out of the playoffs. But until then, it's gonna be one big Cubbie love fest around the globe.

white sox bill
09-23-2007, 03:47 PM
I'm surprised most of the frat boys there even know the teams name in Atlanta. Or where Atlanta is for that matter.
I'm suprized they didn't break into The Dirty Bird!

twentywontowin
09-23-2007, 03:59 PM
It's hilarious to see them scanning the crowd when they are playing "Go Cubs Go". Half the people are trying to sing it and don't know the words.

I will use too many Budweisers as an excuse.

JermaineDye05
09-23-2007, 04:01 PM
We limped into the playoffs in '05. Then once we clinched, we started dominating. I hope that doesn't happen with the Cubs. They're 10 games over .500 now, and they're not exactly playing bad baseball. Hopefully 2 weeks from now, they'll have already been swept out of the playoffs. But until then, it's gonna be one big Cubbie love fest around the globe.

We didn't 'limp' We finished off by sweeping Cleveland, the very same team that was playing amazing baseball down the stretch. Plus the '05 team had a couple things the cubs don't, great defense, a bullpen with a lights out closer, and a damn good starting rotation that had 4 pitchers with ERA's around the low to mid 3's. The Cubs have lets see Ryan Dempster to close (28 Saves with a 4.24 ERA), Zambrano (17-13 with a 4.20 ERA), Ted Lilly (15-7 3.78 ERA), Jason Marquis (12-8 with a 4.35 ERA), Rich Hill (10-8 with a 4.05 ERA), Sean Marshall (7-8 with a 4.00 ERA). Their defense in the outfield is just plain bad. They have 1 starter with a sub 4 ERA, if the Cubs even make it to the NLCS they will just be embarrassed by the Padres I mean Jake Peavy-Zambrano, Chris Young-Lilly, Greg Maddux-Marquis/Hill. I really don't see the Cubs making it past the NLCS if they even make it there.

kittle42
09-23-2007, 04:15 PM
We didn't 'limp' We finished off by sweeping Cleveland, the very same team that was playing amazing baseball down the stretch. Plus the '05 team had a couple things the cubs don't, great defense, a bullpen with a lights out closer, and a damn good starting rotation that had 4 pitchers with ERA's around the low to mid 3's. The Cubs have lets see Ryan Dempster to close (28 Saves with a 4.24 ERA), Zambrano (17-13 with a 4.20 ERA), Ted Lilly (15-7 3.78 ERA), Jason Marquis (12-8 with a 4.35 ERA), Rich Hill (10-8 with a 4.05 ERA), Sean Marshall (7-8 with a 4.00 ERA). Their defense in the outfield is just plain bad. They have 1 starter with a sub 4 ERA, if the Cubs even make it to the NLCS they will just be embarrassed by the Padres I mean Jake Peavy-Zambrano, Chris Young-Lilly, Greg Maddux-Marquis/Hill. I really don't see the Cubs making it past the NLCS if they even make it there.

All the Flubsessed can keep quoting the above to themselves if they want to feel better. As it is, the Cubs have been playing very well the past two weeks when they really needed to, regardless of the quality of the teams they have been playing. In the NL, they have as good as chance as the other three teams. I'll be hoping they fail in the NLDS, too, but don't act like they have a zero chance to pull it off.

Bill Naharodny
09-23-2007, 04:36 PM
It's hilarious to see them scanning the crowd when they are playing "Go Cubs Go". Half the people are trying to sing it and don't know the words.

I will use too many Budweisers as an excuse.

Truly one of the lamest songs ever written; I don't care if it was by Steve Goodman or not. Any time you're pimping "WGN" in a song, the integrity of the thing is kinda questionable, y'know?

Awesome.

MarySwiss
09-23-2007, 04:48 PM
Truly one of the lamest songs ever written; I don't care if it was by Steve Goodman or not. Any time you're pimping "WGN" in a song, the integrity of the thing is kinda questionable, y'know?

Awesome.

I vaguely remember some pitiful country/western style song about them that, IMO, was even worse.

Bill Naharodny
09-23-2007, 04:51 PM
I vaguely remember some pitiful country/western style song about them that, IMO, was even worse.

I believe you speak of "Cubbie Cowboy" - lyrics by Waylon Jennings, Lou Boudreau and Dutchie Caray.

Johnnydogs
09-23-2007, 05:54 PM
The Brewers had an 8.5 game lead, if they'd played just .500 ball down the stretch they might have been able to hold on to first. Having said that, the idea that the Cubs are limping into the postseason is false. They had a losing August, but since June 3rd they've won more games in the NL than any other team (61-42). Only the Yankees 67-35 record is better in MLB during the same span.

I also disagree that they are 3 and out. The Cubs pitching staff has allowed the second fewest runs in the League (behind the Padres) and with San Diego in a dog fight for a playoff berth, they may not have the luxury of throwing Jake Peavy in game one of the playoffs --if they make it. I heard on the radio this morning that Peavy's slated to pitch the last game of the regular season vs. the Crew. If the Padres still need that game (they only have a half game lead in the WC) he will pitch then which will all but guarantee he won't pitch twice in the NLDS.

MarySwiss
09-23-2007, 06:15 PM
I believe you speak of "Cubbie Cowboy" - lyrics by Waylon Jennings, Lou Boudreau and Dutchie Caray.

Maybe. But please; NOT Waylon Jennings!

JermaineDye05
09-23-2007, 07:09 PM
The Cubs have been good in the 2nd half no doubt but they have played 45 games against teams with losing records so far going 29-16. They played only 24 games against teams with winning records going 10-14 and their final 6 games will be against the Marlins and the Reds. They have had a pretty soft schedule throughout the second half.

chisoxmike
09-23-2007, 07:35 PM
Look at the newest WSI member...

Welcome to our newest member, GoCubbiesGo (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=10730)



:rolleyes:

kittle42
09-23-2007, 07:47 PM
Is there any other team in professional sports whose fanbase refers to their team with a cute little name like "Cubbies" that should appeal to no one outside of 5 year-old children? I cannot think of one.

MCHSoxFan
09-23-2007, 08:04 PM
Cub fans are blind I swear, they act as if this is the best Cubs team ever or at least in a while. I personally think the 03 team was a hell of lot better then this garbage that's limping into the playoffs.

Yeah, exactly. This team is crawling to a division title...The NL CENTRAL. :D:

MCHSoxFan
09-23-2007, 08:07 PM
around the globe.

Should NOT be a teal. On a WGN cubs games, they announed people were there from GERMANY!!! :rolleyes:

WizardsofOzzie
09-23-2007, 08:27 PM
Look at the newest WSI member...

Welcome to our newest member, GoCubbiesGo (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=10730)



:rolleyes:
Mshake is back??

viagracat
09-23-2007, 08:37 PM
Look at the newest WSI member...

Welcome to our newest member, GoCubbiesGo (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=10730)



:rolleyes:

To GoCubbiesGo and any other would-be Cub trolls out there: even if you guys go all the way, remember it was the WHITE SOX who broke the drought in Chicago two years ago. And we won it strong and kicked ass in the playoffs, something the Cubs will not experience. The Sox were the first, and they were the best. We know it, and deep down you know it. In the best of circumstances in your fantasy world, you'll the second ones to do it. Deal with it.

:bandance:

chisoxmike
09-23-2007, 08:41 PM
I keep noticing people are still voting for the Brewers to win the division. Why? I think the Cubs got this one pretty much wrapped up.

viagracat
09-23-2007, 08:45 PM
I keep noticing people are still voting for the Brewers to win the division. Why? I think the Cubs got this one pretty much wrapped up.

Yep, the Cubs' magic number is only 4. The Brew Crew pretty much has to win out to have any kind of chance, and they haven't proved that they are ready for prime time. :(:

kittle42
09-23-2007, 09:37 PM
To GoCubbiesGo and any other would-be Cub trolls out there: even if you guys go all the way, remember it was the WHITE SOX who broke the drought in Chicago two years ago. And we won it strong and kicked ass in the playoffs, something the Cubs will not experience. The Sox were the first, and they were the best. We know it, and deep down you know it. In the best of circumstances in your fantasy world, you'll the second ones to do it. Deal with it.

And the response (the same one I would have if roles were reversed)...what have you done for me lately?

lowestofthelow
09-23-2007, 10:49 PM
Tonight's Channel 7 10pm news started with 7 straight minutes on the Cubs.
I'm booking a long vacation for the second and third weeks of October because I won't be able to stand the hype.

chisoxmike
09-24-2007, 12:15 AM
I hope its not hot in October, Zambozo had to leave the game in the 6th becuase of cramps.

:rolling:

DumpJerry
09-24-2007, 12:17 AM
Look at the newest WSI member...

Welcome to our newest member, GoCubbiesGo (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=10730)



:rolleyes:
He gone!

The Critic
09-24-2007, 01:31 AM
To GoCubbiesGo and any other would-be Cub trolls out there: even if you guys go all the way, remember it was the WHITE SOX who broke the drought in Chicago two years ago. And we won it strong and kicked ass in the playoffs, something the Cubs will not experience. The Sox were the first, and they were the best. We know it, and deep down you know it. In the best of circumstances in your fantasy world, you'll the second ones to do it. Deal with it.


Another response I'll expect (and one I'd use if the roles were reversed):
The trophy looks the same whether you go 11-1 or 11-8 in the playoffs.

The 2005 Sox gave us a lot of nice boasting points, but the fact is, if the Cubs win the whole thing (which I doubt, but once you get in the playoffs anything can happen), they will be the most recent champion in town and therefore will have the freshest bragging rights. I will expect a barrage of bragging from the Cub fans in my family and my circle of friends.

C-Dawg
09-24-2007, 07:01 AM
Is there any other team in professional sports whose fanbase refers to their team with a cute little name like "Cubbies" that should appeal to no one outside of 5 year-old children? I cannot think of one.

My mother calls them the Cubbie-poos. And she's actually a fan of them! :rolleyes:

Johnnydogs
09-24-2007, 08:04 AM
The Cubs have been good in the 2nd half no doubt but they have played 45 games against teams with losing records so far going 29-16. They played only 24 games against teams with winning records going 10-14 and their final 6 games will be against the Marlins and the Reds. They have had a pretty soft schedule throughout the second half.

There's no doubt the Cubs schedule has been soft; they play in the NLC afterall and there are only 2 teams out of 6 that are over .500. That being said, the Brewers have had the softest strength of schedule (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi?season=2007&sortColumn=sos) in MLB (again, because of their division). Also, the Brewers collapse/Cubs strong second half is partially due to the Crew leading Baseball in losing the most games (16) when leading by 3 or more runs. Not to mention the Brewers horrific road record (32-49). Ned Yost deserves some of the blame because his teams always seem to flame out in the second half and they seldom win outside of Miller Park. It's ridiculous and disheartening!

Fenway
09-24-2007, 08:25 AM
On paper the Mets SHOULD win the National but the team to watch out for if they make it is Philadelphia.

But do not count the Cubs out. A lot depends on who they play in the NLDS. Arizona becomes a home game for them.

I think San Diego is the odd team out now as Philly should do well at home the final week.

viagracat
09-24-2007, 08:39 AM
And the response (the same one I would have if roles were reversed)...what have you done for me lately?

Another response I'll expect (and one I'd use if the roles were reversed):
The trophy looks the same whether you go 11-1 or 11-8 in the playoffs.

The 2005 Sox gave us a lot of nice boasting points, but the fact is, if the Cubs win the whole thing (which I doubt, but once you get in the playoffs anything can happen), they will be the most recent champion in town and therefore will have the freshest bragging rights. I will expect a barrage of bragging from the Cub fans in my family and my circle of friends.

Yeah, I know; it'll be all things Cub around here if that happens. And sure, 2007 is now and 2005 is in the past; and the Sox obviously have not shown much lately. However, I imagine there would be a serious gnashing of teeth among Sox fans if we still had to endure the same old same old that we lived with for decades before 2005; before we had something to fall back on. No matter what happens with the Cubs this year, the Sox have already been there and done that. It's just me, but I find at least a little solace in thinking that way. What am I gonna do about it otherwise?

October26
09-24-2007, 08:50 AM
I am a firm believer that come November 15th this year we will be able to say that there are more people alive worldwide who were around the last time the White Sox won the World Series than when the Cubs last won it. (several billion vs. 500 or so).

From your lips (and fingertips) to God's ears! I love the way you think!

Fenway
09-24-2007, 08:55 AM
I am a firm believer that come November 15th this year we will be able to say that there are more people alive worldwide who were around the last time the White Sox won the World Series than when the Cubs last won it. (several billion vs. 500 or so).


http://www.deanesmay.com/files/deanesmay-cubscongratulate.jpg

October26
09-24-2007, 08:58 AM
http://www.deanesmay.com/files/deanesmay-cubscongratulate.jpg

Thank you, Fenway. I have been looking for this picture!:bandance:

RadioheadRocks
09-24-2007, 10:34 PM
13-5 Brewers over Cards, back to 3 games out.

How about a little BAD EXAMPLES...

Not
Dead
Yet

:bandance::bandance::bandance:

It's Time
09-24-2007, 10:43 PM
So if my math is correct, if the Cubs go 3-3 against the Marlins and Reds, the Crew has to go 6-0 just to tie?

:o:

SoxSpeed22
09-24-2007, 11:25 PM
So if my math is correct, if the Cubs go 3-3 against the Marlins and Reds, the Crew has to go 6-0 just to tie?

:o:Correct. The magic number for them is 4.

Fenway
09-25-2007, 07:45 PM
Cub fans must have nightmares about the Marlins.

kevingrt
09-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Cubs better not be looking down right now. Or their fans.

It's Time
09-25-2007, 08:51 PM
The Cubs most likely will have a 2 game lead with 5 to play after tonight. Certainly, the ghosts of Cubs pasts are starting to howl. Too bad the Padres have something to play for this weekend or I would say the Cubs would choke this thing away.

We shall see.

DoItForDanPasqua
09-25-2007, 08:52 PM
It looks like it will be two games after tonight. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope...

The Immigrant
09-25-2007, 08:52 PM
Things are about to get really interesting...

The Immigrant
09-25-2007, 08:53 PM
Too bad the Padres have something to play for this weekend or I would say the Cubs would choke this thing away.

Thankfully the Padres have picked the right time to start falling apart.

It's Time
09-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Thankfully the Padres have picked the right time to start falling apart.

True. That said, the Padres will also be either tied or a game out of a playoff spot going into that series. I think Peavy and Young are scheduled to pitch.

Dunn and Griffey are both out for the season now. That's a big break for the Cubs. Dunn is a monster.

JB98
09-25-2007, 09:45 PM
The Brewers have to run the table. Maybe they can afford one loss. Their bats have gotten hot the last two days. They need to stay hot.

Things got a little more interesting tonight, but the odds still favor the Cubs. If it gets cut to one game going to the weekend, the Cubs might start clutching the bats a little bit tighter.

soxwon
09-25-2007, 10:12 PM
can you say 2 game lead with 5 to play!!!
Can the Cubs actually blow it?

It's Time
09-25-2007, 10:23 PM
Can the Cubs actually blow it?

To put it into historical perspective, NO TEAM has ever lost a 3.5 lead with six to play. Only two teams in history have come from 3 1/2 games behind with seven games left to make the playoffs, and the last one to do it was the 1962 San Francisco Giants.

The Cubs are easily capable of blowing it. That said, it would be a historical choke.

TDog
09-25-2007, 10:41 PM
To put it into historical perspective, NO TEAM has ever lost a 3.5 lead with six to play. Only two teams in history have come from 3 1/2 games behind with seven games left to make the playoffs, and the last one to do it was the 1962 San Francisco Giants.

The Cubs are easily capable of blowing it. That said, it would be a historical choke.

Through most of the history of major league baseball, teams had to emerge with the league's best record to win a title. When the leagues split into divisions in 1969, there rarely were seasons when a tea won with a close-to-.500 record. The 1973 Mets serve as a notable exception. Most teams who have held a 3.5-game lead with 7 to go are teams that were much, much better than the Cubs. At the same time, most teams within 3.5 games with 7 to go were much, much better than the Brewers.

Considering that the Cubs have losing records against the East and West, it isn't just a question of the Cubs being lucky to be in a division with teams with such a poor record. The Cubs would likely have a losing record if they didn't play in the Central. And only in the Central, would that be considered contention.

Bucky F. Dent
09-25-2007, 11:01 PM
can you say 2 game lead with 5 to play!!!
Can the Cubs actually blow it?

Recently heard in the Cubs clubhouse:

Pinnella: No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Zambrano: We're just the guys to do it.
Lee: Let's do it.
Zambrano: LET'S DO IT!

white sox bill
09-26-2007, 07:33 AM
Sorry folks but I don't think even the Evil Empire of the North can blow this one. Its a cinch to clinch by weeks end. Damn I hope I'm wrong!!

MsSoxVixen22
09-26-2007, 09:55 AM
I told my Dad last week, that the Brewers will win the division. And they'll do it in grand fashion with everyone praying the Cubs get in the playoffs! If by some twist of fate, the Cubs do clinch, here's hoping that they play the Phillies in the 1st round! :bandance:

TomBradley72
09-26-2007, 10:13 AM
TONIGHT is the crucial night...if the Brewers pick up another game...the Cubs take the field tomorrow knowing they could be tied before the night is over..that's real pressure and a meltdown could ensue. :gulp:

sox1970
09-26-2007, 10:15 AM
TONIGHT is the crucial night...if the Brewers pick up another game...the Cubs take the field tomorrow knowing they could be tied before the night is over..that's real pressure and a meltdown could ensue. :gulp:

I'll drink to that. :gulp:

It's Time
09-26-2007, 10:36 AM
TONIGHT is the crucial night...if the Brewers pick up another game...the Cubs take the field tomorrow knowing they could be tied before the night is over..that's real pressure and a meltdown could ensue. :gulp:

I agree 100%. If the Cubs win tonight, all they need to do is win one game over the next 4, and have the Crew lose one game the rest of the year to be guaranteed to at least host a one game playoff with them.

A loss and all bets are off.

Over By There
09-26-2007, 10:50 AM
The Cubs World Series tickets have been printed. (http://deadspin.com/sports/chicago-cubs/looking-fate-in-the-eye-and-scoffing-303765.php) I can only hope this is a jinx.

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/09/cubsticketsws.jpg

jenn2080
09-26-2007, 10:52 AM
The Cubs World Series tickets have been printed. (http://deadspin.com/sports/chicago-cubs/looking-fate-in-the-eye-and-scoffing-303765.php) I can only hope this is a jinx.

http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/09/cubsticketsws.jpg

I got my playoff/WS tickets last year the day we got eliminated.

soxinem1
09-26-2007, 10:56 AM
Well, it ain't over yet. Go MIL!!!!!

And go FLA!!!!

Dread Farmer
09-26-2007, 11:22 AM
Let's all be realistic! A choke would be awesome, but "IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN" Best case scenario Brewers and Flubs are even after Thursday. Cubs get 3 against Reds with no Dunn or Griffey and what will basically be Wrigley Field South. Brewers get San Diego who will need every game. Sorry, but let's get back to them getting swept in the first round and not have a big let down.

spiffie
09-26-2007, 11:29 AM
I got my playoff/WS tickets last year the day we got eliminated.
That was a ****ing lovely thing to come home to. Only way it would have been better would have been if the DHL box somehow had a guy inside it ready to jump out and kick me in the junk when I took out the tickets.

Foulke You
09-26-2007, 11:44 AM
Let's all be realistic! A choke would be awesome, but "IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN" Best case scenario Brewers and Flubs are even after Thursday. Cubs get 3 against Reds with no Dunn or Griffey and what will basically be Wrigley Field South. Brewers get San Diego who will need every game. Sorry, but let's get back to them getting swept in the first round and not have a big let down.
I agree, the Brewers are a long shot but hopefully, they can force the Cubs to have to use up a lot of their best pitchers down the stretch run just to get in the playoffs so when they get there, they have to start a Jason Marquis or Steve Trachsel in Game 1 of the playoffs instead of Zambrano or Lilly. Here's also hoping Marmol and Howry's arms are hanging off their shoulders by October as well. I'm so cruel.:tongue:

chisoxmike
09-26-2007, 11:48 AM
That was a ****ing lovely thing to come home to. Only way it would have been better would have been if the DHL box somehow had a guy inside it ready to jump out and kick me in the junk when I took out the tickets.

That was a really depressing moment that day when I got those. What a slap in the face that was. I was going to burn them right after I took them out of the DHL envelope. Instead, they are still in my 2006 season ticket folder with all the invoices and crap they send you. They're a cruel reminder of that disastrous finish to 2006 and extremely disappointing season.

illini81887
09-26-2007, 06:51 PM
4-2 marlins, 3unearned on a bad deRosa error

ilsox7
09-26-2007, 06:55 PM
4-2 marlins, 3unearned on a bad deRosa error

Just a technicality, but only 2 of the runs should be unearned.

soxwon
09-26-2007, 08:11 PM
5-4 marlins in the 7th i think
3-2 sl over milw bott 3 man on 2b for brewers.

FielderJones
09-26-2007, 08:22 PM
7-4 fish, B7 :supernana:

Madvora
09-26-2007, 08:24 PM
To bad none of this matters unless Milwaukee can get it together.
Lets go Brew Crew!

soxwon
09-26-2007, 08:29 PM
To bad none of this matters unless Milwaukee can get it together.
Lets go Brew Crew!


brewers only down 3-2, theyll see the cubs score and win tonight.

Madvora
09-26-2007, 09:03 PM
I can't decide which collapse would be better: another monumental playoff collapse, or blowing a 3 game lead in the last week of the season.
They are definitely capable of both. The sooner the better I guess.

soxwon
09-26-2007, 09:05 PM
CUBS LOSE 7-4
Milw still losing 3-2 in 7th.
Wake up Brewers- Smell that 1 game out !!!

JB98
09-26-2007, 09:10 PM
CUBS LOSE 7-4
Milw still losing 3-2 in 7th.
Wake up Brewers- Smell that 1 game out !!!

Hopefully, the Brewers will wake up, but I doubt it.

I think the Cubs will back into the playoffs.

JB98
09-26-2007, 09:34 PM
Derrick Turnbow = 2007 Cubs MVP

TheOldRoman
09-26-2007, 09:36 PM
Derrick Turnbow is ****ing awful. I don't care if they pitch a double A call up on the 40 man roster, they need to pitch ANYONE other than Turnbow the rest of the season. As someone else said, the Brewers would have clinched the division a week ago if Turnbow wasn't on their team. He is MacDougal bad.

Frontman
09-26-2007, 09:37 PM
Ok, is it evil for me to think that the Cubs should make the playoffs then be trounced into oblivion, or is it more evil for them to lose their chance of playoffs on the last day of the season?

Anything that makes Mike Murphy and Harry Teinowitz suffer is good by me.

:wink:

JB98
09-26-2007, 09:39 PM
Derrick Turnbow is ****ing awful. I don't care if they pitch a double A call up on the 40 man roster, they need to pitch ANYONE other than Turnbow the rest of the season. As someone else said, the Brewers would have clinched the division a week ago if Turnbow wasn't on their team. He is MacDougal bad.

Turnbow and MacDougal are very comparable. Neither one can throw strikes. I have no idea why Yost keeps using that assclown in pressure situations.

6-2 now in favor of the Cardinals.

ilsox7
09-26-2007, 09:40 PM
Milwaukee is not good. People need to stop expecting them to be good. Their only chance is to some how manage a split with the Padres and hope the Cubs lose out.

TheOldRoman
09-26-2007, 09:40 PM
I'm watching on Gameday, and from the looks of it, 2 of the first 3 pitches from Shouse to Taguchi were RIGHT on the border (from where they marked them). Two run double, Brewers are down by 4. Now this would be a magical comeback.

TheOldRoman
09-26-2007, 09:42 PM
Sigh, 7-2

peeonwrigley
09-26-2007, 09:48 PM
Sigh, 7-2

Its gonna happen :(:

FWIW, I predicted the Cubs to win this division by ten games once Carpenter went down. Brewers have played better than I anticipated, but they just don't have the horses.

The Immigrant
09-26-2007, 09:48 PM
Stupid Turnbow. The INS should revoke his visa.

Sockinchisox
09-26-2007, 09:48 PM
Milwaukee is not good. People need to stop expecting them to be good. Their only chance is to some how manage a split with the Padres and hope the Cubs lose out.

Their offense is great, their bullpen is terrible, and their SP is extremely inconsistent.

JB98
09-26-2007, 09:49 PM
Milwaukee is not good. People need to stop expecting them to be good. Their only chance is to some how manage a split with the Padres and hope the Cubs lose out.

As I indicated in post #236, the Cubs will back into the playoffs. No matter how hard they try to give it away, the Brewers are not good enough to capitalize.

Frontman
09-26-2007, 09:50 PM
As I indicated in post #236, the Cubs will back into the playoffs. No matter how hard they try to give it away, the Brewers are not good enough to capitalize.

And does anyone believe that the Cubs can compete against any of the other National League teams, much less who the AL would possibly throw at them IF they made the Series?

No, so for an extra week, maybe two, we'll have to put up with Cubs talk. I doubt they'll make it past the divisional round.

ilsox7
09-26-2007, 09:50 PM
As I indicated in post #236, the Cubs will back into the playoffs. No matter how hard they try to give it away, the Brewers are not good enough to capitalize.

Regardless, the Cubs are the better team. It'll be interesting to see who they get it in the NLDS.

Bill Naharodny
09-26-2007, 09:51 PM
Its gonna happen :(:

Some heroic work by the Cubs in Florida so far this week. The Brewers are bad, so it's all significant of nothing, but . . . I do like watching Piniella go nuts, in a simmering sort of way, in the Cubs dugout. Even if the Brewers lose out, I'd like to see that "Grouchy-Don't-Touch-Me-Piniella Face" as many times as possible this week. Good times.