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upperdeckusc
09-14-2007, 11:40 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070914&content_id=2208242&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

At the bottom, under "down on the farm," it says aaron poreda, after we drafted him, hit 99 on the radar gun. i knew he threw pretty hard for a lefty, but 99?? if thats true, combine that with a nasty sinker, i like his future.

GoSox2K3
09-15-2007, 12:14 AM
Nice article about Gio Gonzalez and Jack Egbert too.

KyWhiSoxFan
09-15-2007, 10:28 AM
The Great Falls team has three very nice prospects in Poreda, Morales, and Mabee.

upperdeckusc
09-15-2007, 12:39 PM
i had a buddy of mine that caught john ely as well and said he has nasty stuff. looking at his stats, he has some promise as well.

Frater Perdurabo
09-15-2007, 02:15 PM
The Great Falls team has three very nice prospects in Poreda, Morales, and Mabee.

Well, two legit prospects and a "maybe." :tongue:

jabrch
09-15-2007, 09:19 PM
Well, two legit prospects and a "maybe." :tongue:

Beat me to that....

tacosalbarojas
10-02-2007, 02:07 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070914&content_id=2208242&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

At the bottom, under "down on the farm," it says aaron poreda, after we drafted him, hit 99 on the radar gun. i knew he threw pretty hard for a lefty, but 99?? if thats true, combine that with a nasty sinker, i like his future.Yes, this is in the new print edition of Baseball America as well. It also says he was shut down for a couple of weeks with a tender elbow, but that he returned for the playoffs and threw two nice games. It also said Poreda was expected to dominate in this league as he was one of the higher drafted players in the league. Good issue all around as it had thumbnails of their top ten prospects in each league. Nice writeups on Chris Carter and Fautino as well.

jabrch
10-03-2007, 10:49 AM
I'm shocked to find that professional scouts who watch these guys before making these decisions might actually know more than WSI experts who make calls based on what they read from John Sickels and their own twisted realities about how failing to spend 8mm on a HS kid after 25 other teams pass on him is an indication of our management's incompetence and cheapness.

There is a chance that Aaron Poreda was actually the better draft pick than Rick Porcini if you have an overall organizational perspective on it. Sure - there's a chance Porcharooni might be the next great 21 year old SP in a few years, but there's also a chance that Porcinski turns into the next Ben McDonald or Brien Taylor.

With the SP prospects we have in our system, from the top down, I am optimistic for the future. Now if only we had a few more bats down there...

BeeBeeRichard
10-04-2007, 03:18 PM
Well, two legit prospects and a "maybe." :tongue:

Q: Who's a mabee?
A: That's right.
Q: Who?
A: Mabee.
Q: No, I mean who's a prospect?
A: No, who's a mabee.
Q: I thought who was on first ...

drewcifer
10-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Q: Who's a mabee?
A: That's right.
Q: Who?
A: Mabee.
Q: No, I mean who's a prospect?
A: No, who's a mabee.
Q: I thought who was on first ...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f322/fugnutz/BeatDeadHorse.gif

Take that, you joke.

California Sox
10-04-2007, 11:12 PM
I'm shocked to find that professional scouts who watch these guys before making these decisions might actually know more than WSI experts who make calls based on what they read from John Sickels and their own twisted realities about how failing to spend 8mm on a HS kid after 25 other teams pass on him is an indication of our management's incompetence and cheapness.

There is a chance that Aaron Poreda was actually the better draft pick than Rick Porcini if you have an overall organizational perspective on it. Sure - there's a chance Porcharooni might be the next great 21 year old SP in a few years, but there's also a chance that Porcinski turns into the next Ben McDonald or Brien Taylor.

With the SP prospects we have in our system, from the top down, I am optimistic for the future. Now if only we had a few more bats down there...

All right, I'll take the bait. Did you see this on Baseball America's write up of McCulloch, who was a first-round pick from a big-time college, but could only manage to be the 20th best prospect in a weak Carolina League?

Hes going to have to pitch, and to his credit, he battled this year, an AL scout said. He added a pitch because he knew he needed it. I know they hoped hed move fast, but he isnt much more than a No. 5 and hes probably a middle guy.

I never had anything against Poreda. (I just wish the Sox would occasionally step up and spend some money on an amateur player. Foreign or domestic.) And I'll admit in his one start, Broadway did well, so I may have undersold him. But I'm not buying McCulloch. This is the pick that probably got Shaffer fired.

jabrch
10-05-2007, 12:14 AM
All right, I'll take the bait. Did you see this on Baseball America's write up of McCulloch, who was a first-round pick from a big-time college, but could only manage to be the 20th best prospect in a weak Carolina League?



I never had anything against Poreda. (I just wish the Sox would occasionally step up and spend some money on an amateur player. Foreign or domestic.) And I'll admit in his one start, Broadway did well, so I may have undersold him. But I'm not buying McCulloch. This is the pick that probably got Shaffer fired.


We picked 29th. Sure - I'd have rather had Lincencum, but he went 10th. Evan Longoria would have been great - but he went third.

Joba went 41 in that draft. I guess we could have had him - but so could EVER OTHER TEAM IN BASEBALL.

Kyle may be a bust - but that hardly is an indictment of the Sox, their system, their drafting, or any other picks we made. He was the second to last pick in the first round - and is not the only player in that draft not up yet.

Look at the overall depth and strength of our minor league pitching. Kyle's struggles are more than offset by the successes of others.

California Sox
10-05-2007, 01:35 AM
I suppose our minor league pitching is decent with Egbert, Gio, DLS, and Poreda. Then, Ely and Moreno look promising, but they'll have to do it in a full season league. But if our minor league pitching was outstanding, we would have gotten more help from it during the season. Look at the Yankees. Who was the most successful pitcher we brought up this year? Wasserman? A 25 year-old NDFA sidearmer?

I'm not all doom and gloom when it comes to our system. I'm actually bullish on some of the position players we had at Kanny and Great Falls. For instance, Shelby and Gomes both finished up extremely strong. Maybe they've turned the corner. But overall our minor league talent is below average right now. Ozzie said it, KW has implied it, most of the "experts" believe it too. I'm not trying to be a dark cloud. No one is rooting harder than me that we up the talent level. Hopefully, the 8th pick will go a long way toward that goal.

jabrch
10-05-2007, 10:06 AM
I suppose our minor league pitching is decent with Egbert, Gio, DLS, and Poreda. Then, Ely and Moreno look promising, but they'll have to do it in a full season league.

And Broadway...

But if our minor league pitching was outstanding, we would have gotten more help from it during the season.

Unfortunately the guys closer to ready aren't the best ones.

Look at the Yankees.

And look at what the Yanks got from their system the past few years? Not much - they have been rebuilding it for a few.

I'm not all doom and gloom when it comes to our system. I'm actually bullish on some of the position players we had at Kanny and Great Falls. For instance, Shelby and Gomes both finished up extremely strong. Maybe they've turned the corner. But overall our minor league talent is below average right now. Ozzie said it, KW has implied it, most of the "experts" believe it too. I'm not trying to be a dark cloud. No one is rooting harder than me that we up the talent level. Hopefully, the 8th pick will go a long way toward that goal.

I know - and you are more knowledgeable about the farm than most here - and I appreciate and respect that. I agree - Kyle looks like he's not going to be much. But with the 29th pick - that doesn't surprise me. The point of my post was that for all the "experts" poopooed the Poreda pick while we passed up Porchooloo, and criticize "safe" picks, the farm system, pitching wise, is really not in nearly as bad of shape as some say.

Yeah - I wish we drafted Joba instead of Kyle. But you know the risks of playing that game - especially when you draft 29th.

upperdeckusc
10-05-2007, 10:38 AM
I suppose our minor league pitching is decent with Egbert, Gio, DLS, and Poreda. Then, Ely and Moreno look promising, but they'll have to do it in a full season league. But if our minor league pitching was outstanding, we would have gotten more help from it during the season. Look at the Yankees. Who was the most successful pitcher we brought up this year? Wasserman? A 25 year-old NDFA sidearmer?

I'm not all doom and gloom when it comes to our system. I'm actually bullish on some of the position players we had at Kanny and Great Falls. For instance, Shelby and Gomes both finished up extremely strong. Maybe they've turned the corner. But overall our minor league talent is below average right now. Ozzie said it, KW has implied it, most of the "experts" believe it too. I'm not trying to be a dark cloud. No one is rooting harder than me that we up the talent level. Hopefully, the 8th pick will go a long way toward that goal.

and hopefully we'll go a long way toward that goal in the 2nd round too, and 3rd, and 4th, and 5th. lets find some needles in the haystack.....others have been doing it. im not even worried about the 1 or 2 round pick. im worrying about rounds 3-20. that's where you REALLY need to be successful and know what your doing. hopefully '08 will start a trend of successful drafts for us.

rdivaldi
10-05-2007, 11:40 AM
And Broadway...

I'll make my dark cloud post and say that I came away from Lance's only start still unconvinced that he has the ability to become a productive major league starter. He'll need to harness that two seamer and regain the pinpoint control I saw from him a couple of years ago to make me a believer...

jabrch
10-05-2007, 11:56 AM
I'll make my dark cloud post and say that I came away from Lance's only start still unconvinced that he has the ability to become a productive major league starter. He'll need to harness that two seamer and regain the pinpoint control I saw from him a couple of years ago to make me a believer...

At the same time, I saw him i(granted - just one start) in Birmingham mow hitters down last year. This year I saw one start at Charlotte (a small park - right?) where he looked solid.

Maybe I am catching Lance at just the right time, but I don't see any reason to doubt that he can be a solid middle of the rotation guy. He won't ever be a #1 or a high end #2. But I believe he could be a #4/#5 next year and then a #3 type guy for a while.

spiffie
10-05-2007, 12:35 PM
And look at what the Yanks got from their system the past few years? Not much - they have been rebuilding it for a few.
Chein-Ming Wang - 2005
Robinson Cano - 2005
Melky Cabrera - 2006
I'd say even not counting the 2007 class (Kennedy, Hughes, Chamberlain) that they've been getting a lot out of their farm system the last few years. Hell of a lot more than we have. Must be all the high draft picks they get.

The Immigrant
10-05-2007, 12:42 PM
Chein-Ming Wang - 2005
Robinson Cano - 2005
Melky Cabrera - 2006

Not one of those guys was in the amateur draft.

jabrch
10-05-2007, 02:03 PM
Chein-Ming Wang - 2005
Robinson Cano - 2005
Melky Cabrera - 2006
I'd say even not counting the 2007 class (Kennedy, Hughes, Chamberlain) that they've been getting a lot out of their farm system the last few years. Hell of a lot more than we have. Must be all the high draft picks they get.

Hey - if we spent the kind of money they do on international FA. But we don't have that sort of resouorces to enable that, while putting the team we do on the field. I was referring strictly to the draft - where they have done very little for a long time.

By the way - if you are proposing we start re-allocating funds from current roster to international FA prosopects like the Yanks, I hope you are prepared to see our share of Kei Igawa's too. And for each Kei Igawa, that's one less $9mm player we get off the roster.

Or you want to start paying the money the Yanks do to people they draft? Again - then you need to say where else you aren't spending from, and you need to be prepared for a miserably low success rate (like the Yanks have had the past 5-10 years, and to spend a ton of money on expensive busts.

I'm 100% certain that our fans don't have the intestinal fortitude to suck as bad as we would if we tried to use our financial resources, roll the dice using the Yankees model, and then have it crap out for a bit. Our fans can barely handle a three year stretch that entails a WS, a 90 win season and a crappy year without *****ing about it. There is no way they'd put up with a string of 3-4 years of crap, which is what the Yanks very well could be if they didn't outspend most other franchises by something like $150mm on players (between the minors and the majors)

You know as well as I do Spiff that their organizational model is only sustainable because of the sheer financial power that they have. Reduce it to 125mm per year for the overall organizational annual player payroll expense (currently about 225-250mm?) and they can't recover fromt the Pavanos, the the Igawas, the Giambis, etc. They can't afford A-Rod and Abreu and they can't push people around with sheer economic leverage.

California Sox
10-05-2007, 09:42 PM
and hopefully we'll go a long way toward that goal in the 2nd round too, and 3rd, and 4th, and 5th. lets find some needles in the haystack.....others have been doing it. im not even worried about the 1 or 2 round pick. im worrying about rounds 3-20. that's where you REALLY need to be successful and know what your doing. hopefully '08 will start a trend of successful drafts for us.

Since 2000 we've signed Heath Phillips (10, 2000), Chris Young (16, 2001), Brandon McCarthy (17, 2002), Jack Egbert (13, 2004), Aaron Cunningham (6, 2005), Chris Carter (15, 2005), John Shelby (5, 2006) among others.

Our first round picks since 1996 have been Seay, Dellaero, Wells, Stumm, Borchard, Ring, BA, Fields, Broadway, McCulloch, and Poreda.

I would argue CYoung > Fields and the first rounders before him (a little early to say from 2005 on) are either fill-ins or busts. We've got to do better in round one.

rdivaldi
10-08-2007, 10:40 AM
We've got to do better in round one.

I agree 100%. The Sox have found some middle/late round gems over the past couple of years, but have not been anywhere near acceptable in the first round.

Sockinchisox
10-08-2007, 01:18 PM
I would argue CYoung > Fields and the first rounders before him (a little early to say from 2005 on) are either fill-ins or busts.

I would think it's a no brainer CY > Fields, Fields hits HRs and will probably walk a little more than Young, but Young hits homers, steals bases (something I'm expecting Fields to do next year), and plays great defense.

oeo
10-09-2007, 01:00 AM
I would think it's a no brainer CY > Fields, Fields hits HRs and will probably walk a little more than Young, but Young hits homers, steals bases (something I'm expecting Fields to do next year), and plays great defense.

Fields will also hit for higher average, if their minor league numbers mean anything.

California Sox
10-09-2007, 08:36 PM
Fields will also hit for higher average, if their minor league numbers mean anything.

They were on the same team in 2005. Young hit .277. Fields hit .252. Josh has made some good adjustments since then but neither one is going to be vying for the batting title. Peak they are both probably .270 30+HR types, with Young stealing a lot of bases and playing a premium position very well. Of course, this isn't a contest because we could have both.

oeo
10-10-2007, 08:24 PM
They were on the same team in 2005. Young hit .277. Fields hit .252. Josh has made some good adjustments since then but neither one is going to be vying for the batting title. Peak they are both probably .270 30+HR types, with Young stealing a lot of bases and playing a premium position very well. Of course, this isn't a contest because we could have both.

Fields also hit .305 last year, compared to Young's .276 on their respective AAA squads. I don't know much about the two leagues...is there really that big of a skill difference, that Fields would be hitting 30 points higher and they're on the same plane?

soxfanreggie
10-22-2007, 01:34 AM
I have tried making the first round point several times, thank you for giving me some validation. Granted, being picked in the first round doesn't guarantee any success, but it looks bad when most of these guys struggle. We've had some bad luck and some guys leave in trades and what not, but we need better success out of our higher selections if we're going to commit considerable resources to them. It's great we can get some guys like M.B. who are absolute gems, but I hate to see us pick a ton of pitchers if we don't get anything out of them. That being said, I think we have some guys that show great promise, but promise means squat if they can't cut it and help the Major League team. Here's to hoping that one of these top prospect pitchers of ours can make a contribution to the starting rotation in '08 :gulp: